Why the fascination with Kimmer? #16

[vernswifevickie]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

My thoughts on these anonymous nasty comments being left on blogs, as they say when you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that hollers is the one that you hit. We must be getting pretty effective in our work to have them so fired up, because there's a whole lot of hollering going on, and as v0xhumana said, these are purely ad hominem attacks. The lowest form of argument.

Had to go look that up in the dictionary...yep, you're right, that's what they are ...ok..now cloe went to bed without me..I better get in there before she gets all the good pillows

[Mayberryfan]

I'll take a cosmopolitan! Haven't had one of those in AGES!

It's been said before, but it's certainly worth repeating at this point: The only reason someone resorts to personal attacks in an argument is when the facts don't back up their side.

Kimmer can't stand anyone who's been able to lose weight, keep (or regrow) their hair, and lead a healthy lifestyle. She lashes out at others because she is angry with herself over he lack of self-control. Basically, the green-eyed monster is eating her alive.

Hey Heidi, how's that workin' for you?

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by NancyElle

And, I look like a scary old clown......

First let me say that you and Terry both are not deserving of those untrue comments.
Now, this may not be related but I had posted earlier in agreement of how creepy SL's pictures were and how her the perspective gave me the creeps like something evil hiding behind a smile. I gave examples and one was an evil clown.
Maybe check out the timing of your comment to my post.

Originally Posted by v0xhumana

Ah, yes. Ad hominem reigns supreme. You can pretty much claim victory at this point.

Hi v0xhumana and


I swore I was going to start drinking today, but I forgot to get mine from wifezilla.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by vernswifevickie

Had to go look that up in the dictionary...yep, you're right, that's what they are ...ok..now cloe went to bed without me..I better get in there before she gets all the good pillows

Happy cuddling! I love cudling with my kitties.

[Mayberryfan]

Good night all!

Hopefully the morning will bring a beautiful sunrise and a fresh FWK #17 to keep the fun rolling!

[LINC]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

O.K., for your reading pleasure, and to show you how black some people's hearts can be, here is the comment "anonymous" left for me. It won't go on my blog, but I'll post it here so you can see how ugly some people can get. In their opening, they are quoting a post of mine from this morning.

Anonymous has left a new comment on your post "It's Alright to Feed My Body!":

{when the menu says they are having "turkey", it's a very small portion. Most doctors are brainwashed in the low fat way of thinking anyway, so KK looks wonderful to them. But if they knew the portion sizes, they'd not be so quick to bless it.}

*Not true, it's all the lean protein you want, eat a pound if you want, if you starved yourself it was your own fault, remember {It's Alright To Feed My Body} maybe you should consider getting your underlying psychological issues worked out first, otherwise no diet in the world will help you.

Do you even have any idea how idiotic you looked in that video?

Someone sent me a clip of you spouting off the {I wanna see her in jail} edited to repeat the phrase over & over again like a broken record for my blog, & it is hysterical!

Question though, so we can know the truth, I have been asked the following questions and wanted to verify.
a) Is that a wig you are wearing?
A similar comment made was:
The hair looks fake, maybe it's the color, or lack of style.

b) What is that ugly bump on the bridge of your nose by your eyebrow?
A similar comment made was:
Is it a cyst, or a wart? I'd have that removed, & maybe update her wardrobe a little, she looked like a man.

Toodles Girly, keep it coming & spinning those broken records so we can have a rap song made next. The ducks are giving a wealth of wonderful material for parody. You guys are great!




ETA: sound a bit like Dee, doesn't it?

Wow. I'm so sorry people have resorted to that type of behavior. Honestly, no it doesn't sound like Dee (from what I read here) - that's a coward taking shots at you under the cloak of anonymity. Sad. And very hurtful.

Lou

ETA.. I meant to make the same comment to you, NancyElle. How ugly. I'm glad you are able to look past it.

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by LChottie07

I have thought about responding here for the last couple of days. While I would hope and pray that my words here would not fall on deaf or cynical ears, I still feel that I must say something.

Dee, I have read your blog and all your posts here over the last several days. No doubt you know who I am. If you joined Kimkins in June of 2007, (and I’m not saying this to be conceited or “look at me” but just stating a fact) then you joined because of my face. I remember seeing you post back then. I hope you will at least give me the benefit of the doubt and respect what I am saying just as you ask of your words.

As one of the FIRST “successful” Kimkins diet users, I was one of the original guinea pigs. I do take responsibility for what I put in my mouth. I will admit that I did not go to my doctor prior to starting the program. However, when I joined, I was under the mistaken impression that to have a diet program and to sell it, you surely would have had to have a doctor’s approval for it before marketing! I was very distressed when I began working for Heidi and asked if there was one, and her response…. Something along the lines of: just that my doctor said what I did was ok… yeah… haha I guess I really need to get that done. After quite a few reminders and I would ask every week or so if she'd talked to a doctor... answer was always "not yet..." Other things (making the money) were more important than a doctor's approval to validate the safety of the entire program. Strike #1

I take by your posts that you enjoy the weight loss that you have seen using Kimkins. Good for you. I did too. It’s almost addicting isn’t it? We liked seeing the scale go down on a weekly/daily basis. It was invigorating and gave us such a sense of accomplishment. Almost to the point that after a great deal of loss you trust the person you’ve looked up to for months (much like those at KK look up to you I’m sure) to let you know finally what you should do to get that last little bit off, which is what I did in listening to what Heidi instructed me to do.

You may remember that last year prior to leaving KK, I had a post that was in the main lobby titled “Christin’s FAQ – How I Did it and You Can Too.” To which Heidi replied – “Always wondered what you did Proud of you girl!” Within that thread I posted my menus and exactly what I was eating. Heidi, as the owner and founder of the site and the diet, had a RESPONSIBILITY to correct me if what I was doing was NOT what she was promoting or encouraging. Instead, it was sticky’d at the top of the page where it was the first thing that every new member who came in saw.

So I guess my next question would be then… you say that I (in general as one who "took it to exremes" was being irresponsible in eating the way that I did when following “The Plan” by eating so few calories. But, that was what I (and many others like me) were instructed to do as that was Kimkins. So I guess I’m at a catch 22 in what you are saying here and I hope you can help me understand. So I should NOT have listened to Kimmer when she personally told me (yes, personally as I am one of few who she spoke to EVERY DAY) to NOT stress about low calories, that it was PERFECTLY fine if my cals were at 500 or less? But how does that justify or make any different that you are listening to her diet advice now? So it’s upped by 300 calories… Does that NOW make it nutritionally sound? Strike #2

So does it change things now that since she’s “apologized?”

Think about it this way… if I hurt you and many of your friends and I got caught… so in order to make the peace I said… “I’m sorry if you feel like I hurt you.” Would that make things better? No. Because you would know that my apology was not sincere. I gave Heidi multiple opportunities to come clean in a “safe” way. I presented her with the issues and asked her to address them. Not in a condemning way, or angry and hateful manner; but in a professional and simple request as her PR representative. She would not answer me. In fact, it was not until the lawsuit and her pending deposition (which these Ducks have so eloquently pointed out), that her arm was “twisted” to finally come clean. I too am of the opinion that had it not been for the pressure that was provided through that avenue, she had NO intention of coming clean, OR changing the diet. Strike #3…..

No one ever likes to be contradicted or “told” that they are wrong. I completely understand. You said that you came out and posted here on the fascination thread because there was “falsehoods and gossip” written about you. Believe me, I understand. I’m not sure how long you have been following the controversy, but, last August especially, there was plenty being said about me (still is sometimes ), and my friends within Kimkins. I too was mad at the time. However, instead of running out here and trying to defend everything that was being said, I decided to take the quiet approach and do my own specific research on the issues that were being raised.

Honestly, and I mean this, what I found was an incredible group of people who really do care about people getting hurt. NOT a group of “haters” and “negative Nancy’s.” In trying to disprove them.. I actually disproved myself.

Now, you can take this or leave it. You are correct that you chose your own path. We may end up having to agree to disagree about the Kimkins program and its safety. I only wish your health and happiness. But I would be doing you and many others a horrible disservice if I did not share with you what I know to be true. In working with John, I have personally read many legal affidavits and heard heartbreaking stories of those who have gotten sick and worse by using this program. This is not about money. I don’t care about money. I agree with the above poster who said John and Heidi’s lawyer can have it all… if it only means that people will cease to be hurt by following dangerous diet advice; which IS still being handed out whether you see it or not. I know Heidi. It’s not changing on the underneath side.

I wish you the best Dee…. If anything just THINK about what is presented to you. You don’t have to respond to me. Think about those who are hurting, physically, mentally, and emotionally. Don’t discredit them, because, just like you and I, they too have a voice… I choose to listen to them.

Well Said!

[NancyElle]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

First let me say that you and Terry both are not deserving of those untrue comments.
Now, this may not be related but I had posted earlier in agreement of how creepy SL's pictures were and how her the perspective gave me the creeps like something evil hiding behind a smile. I gave examples and one was an evil clown.
Maybe check out the timing of your comment to my post.

Hi v0xhumana and


I swore I was going to start drinking today, but I forgot to get mine from wifezilla.

No, this comment happened WAy before your SingingLass comment. FYI, I wasn't offended or upset about it.

It was so bizarre, I just wrote it off to some crazed person, whose core I touched in my post (which was about the fraud that is Heidi Diaz, and her myriad of beauty secrets, when in fact we had no honest pictures of her, while she was dispensing that advice.)

I have my moments where my self confidence waxes and wanes, but, I know for a FACT that I was hired to be an on air tv personality, as well as a spokesperson for a myriad of businesses, plus a model for many department stores and boutiques.

If I looked like a "scary old clown" I don't think they would have paid me the "big bucks" for my work. So a dig like that doesn't really bother me. I mean you can say I wear too much make up or something, and I would probably tell you, that I'm used to wearing it for the camera, and that spills over into my special "outings", or special events.

Truly, I am spilling my guts and this is even hard for me to say, but I feel it needs to be said. I communicate from my heart and my gut, thus this posting.

Ironically, I'm usually very reserved and would not ever put all of this "out there".

In fact, this is the most that I have ever flaunted or explained myself or my past, because I usually want to be modest, and I want my words to be considered, rather than my looks or my past.

This time, I'm so pissed, I had to do it.

Heidi Diaz exploited a false persona, and tried to render an ideal middle aged woman who subsided on a controlled diet, epsom salts, monthly fasting and retin A to stay lookin like a MILF.

It was all a lie.

If you want to see a real fifty year old woman, who has taken care of herself with exercise, low carb, high fat, good suppliments, no smoking or drugs, and NO PLASTIC SURGERY OR BOTOX OR ANYTHING, I am willing to let you take a look at me.....



And yes, people never believe my age, and they never have. When I was sixteen, they thought I was twenty....When I was thirty, they thought I was twenty....When I was fifty, they thought I was thirty five.....Go figure.

I'm not trying to be self centered or looking for compliments. I'm just trying to illustrate the difference between REALITY and FICTION. Heidi Diaz, Kimmer, and her Russian girls filling in as "success stories" were FICTION! They did not exist.

They were fabrications. Deceptive. Illustrated and presented with the express intention of deceit.

Carry on, warriors.

[Amyb1569]

I have been away from home..okay I ran away with DH with two big bottles of wine and a very small bag...for the night. I am up taken 4 Advil and checked online before I wake him up....Being a mom..I guess I can not sleep late..kids or no kids..lol
I know I know I know...everyone is sick of me whining about What they have said about Philip...BUT..if they would pick at a young man..make jabs at a child who has had 15 brain operations..a cyst pressing on his brain stem .a stroke..23 Otho operations...and go to his PERSONAL CB site which some of you viist...that have pics of his brain and him and everything else on there...and be rude and cruel to him....
How in the world do you not think a jealous crazy mean FAKE NICE women and admins..are not going to come to your site to make a few jabs at y'all. Notice they pick two of the beautiful on the inside and out people to bash. Seems pretty clear...they are so very jealous.
There...I am done now..well until I get home today..then I am back..so get ready..lol

[Amyb1569]

Can someone help me..anyone help me..oh please...Okay sorry that is a song in my head this morning. Did I mention 2 big bottles of wine? lol
Can someone send me the post that talks about heidi wanting to get to goal by bday and also that she WAS going to make some big post in May...
Pretty please...I have a idea in my head...

[This time]

Originally Posted by Amyb1569

I have been away from home..okay I ran away with DH with two big bottles of wine and a very small bag...for the night. I am up taken 4 Advil and checked online before I wake him up....Being a mom..I guess I can not sleep late..kids or no kids..lol
I know I know I know...everyone is sick of me whining about What they have said about Philip...BUT..if they would pick at a young man..make jabs at a child who has had 15 brain operations..a cyst pressing on his brain stem .a stroke..23 Otho operations...and go to his PERSONAL CB site which some of you viist...that have pics of his brain and him and everything else on there...and be rude and cruel to him....
How in the world do you not think a jealous crazy mean FAKE NICE women and admins..are not going to come to your site to make a few jabs at y'all. Notice they pick two of the beautiful on the inside and out people to bash. Seems pretty clear...they are so very jealous.
There...I am done now..well until I get home today..then I am back..so get ready..lol

Amyb {I'm shaking my finger at you!!} You are not, repeat not whining, don't even think that!! That kk clan is a bunch of hateful, mean, jealous, hungry nut jobs!!! As a mother you have been through things that we can't even imagine This is what this thread is all about, talking and healing. So please doll, don't think you are whining Just thing of Heidi in her pretty prison jumpsuit not being allowed suger cookies and booze Linda

[DEEDLYNN]

For the record. I'm not sending anything anonymous. Anything I have said or sent is signed by DEEDLYNN or DEE (Not that anyone is accusing me--just couldn't tell if a conclusion was being drawn that it was me.).

Also Nancy, I will say that I do think you are a stunning woman. Sorry if someone said something to the contrary. You remind me somewhat of Adrienne Arpiel (sp?).-(meant as a compliment).

I do find some irony in the fact that the personal things being said about you, draw the same reaction as the personal things said about me (not trying to argue--just my observation). Same with SL, it was okay to say things about her photos, but not okay when someone says them back. And Nancy, you also have your head angled and again, it is a stunning picture of you.

Dee

[OhYeahBabe]

Happy birthday AmyB!

[This time]

Amy did you hear from the doctor?

[vernswifevickie]

AmyB...it's your birthday!? Happy, Happy Birthday sweetie! I'm so glad that you and DH got to run away from home for a night....sorry 'bout that hangover though...those are a bear!

I agree with Linda...you are not whining. As a matter of fact, I have never heard you whine about anything. Anyone who whould take potshots at a sick child is nothing more than pond scum in my book....and anyone who would associate with someone like that ia just as bad.

So...today it's my turn to run away from home! We're going on an all day outing/picnic with our dear lil Miss Autumn (our grand daughter) We're going to a park down on the bay, setting up our tent, chairs, blankets, sand toys, bikes and BBQ grill and just hanging out for the day. Hamburgers, hot dogs, BBQ chips and potato salad will abound. Then we'll have a bonfire and roast some decidedly NOT LC marshmallows. When we're all exhausted and dirty and full of marshmallows, chocolate, and graham crackers...we'll head home.

Have a wonderful day everyone

[This time]

Amyb.. now why didn't you say it was your Birthday!! maybe you did, sometimes I'm so Vickie, have a great time today Linda

[Katinsac]

AmyB, Happy Birthday...hope that hang over doesn't last long but gald you found a little time away for you and DH.

Vickie..thanks for the Birthday wish.

Dee...good call on the NancyE look alike...I agree, she does resemble Adrian. Your comment on it's OK to pick on them but not me (my words, not yours) is true, except, they hide behind anonymous and the people here do not. In my opinion, if your gonna say something, be man/woman enough to say who you are. Even though a lot of us do not agree with you WOE, personally, I do appreciate that you stand of for yourself and do not hide behind anonymous.

NancyE....we all should look so good at your age. Unfortunately, I didn't age as well as you, lol. I know you weren't fishing for complements and this isn't because of your current posting, this is because I just now am getting around to it. You are one beautiful woman.

Wonder what Heidi's big plans are for today. Think she will be posting a lot to get a lot of Happy Birthday's thrown at her? You know how she likes the attention!

[Amyb1569]

Hey ladies..
we are on our way out..
Buit can someone PM me that info I asked for above..I really need it...
I will be back tonight..
Hugs

[Amyb1569]

Miss Linda
I sent you a PM ..did you get it.

[Amyb1569]

Kat..
I was away for your bday..Hapy Birthday..I hope you had a great day.

[Amyb1569]

My bday is tomorrow..but thank you for the bday wishes..Today I am still in my 30's ..let's not rush the 40..lmbo.

[OhYeahBabe]

Originally Posted by This time

Amyb.. now why didn't you say it was your Birthday!! maybe you did, sometimes I'm so Vickie, have a great time today Linda

She said it here.

[This time]

I think Amyb may have something up her sleeve today concerning Heidi, i can't wait<