Why the fascination with Kimmer? #16

[Madam De Leon]

Dee, you obviously find this whole thing hilarious, to the point that when it's pointed out to you that it's difficult to follow your responses to the questions you're asked because you don't provide links or quotes to what you're answering, you stop even addressing the person who asked you the questions, and let them try to figure it out themselves.

Fine. Enjoy talking to yourself. Maybe you can convince yourself of the TRUTH.

[thetruthinhiding]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

Most people...in fact, I challenge you to find one person who knows me that would say the same.

So are you stating that you are universally adored even inside your "home" site?
I can name several in there that would beg to differ, but I won't b/c they didn't do anything to warrant being dragged into this, but they exist just the same, with their opinions, and they know you better than we do. Anyone with access can go read about it.

[Nady]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

not on Adkins...low fat...remember. No nuts, very limited cheese, high protein. Not Adkins. LOL.

Adkins? I didn't know that Tracy Adkins did diets too~ He's pretty cute though~
~~~N

[DEEDLYNN]

not hateful...I'm not calling anyone a B$*(%#*, just responding to your posts.

I have no hate towards anyone...thought I had made that clear. I've not been hateful. I've been blunt. Big difference.

But again, you did miss the point....can't stand to see someone who is on maintenance at goal and healthy at KK can you? See, I like to see anyone who has a weight problem get to goal and be healthy, with whatever plan they choose. Your right. We are different.

[Mayberryfan]

Thanks HB! I just can't resist a little Fawn lingo once in a while - HOLLA!

Truth,

You show much restraint in not posting some of that stuff here. Cut it out, would ya?

[OhYeahBabe]

I have an idea - lets play a game! Name something Heidi/Kimmer/Kimmers has lied about! There are big & obvious ones, but special credit will be given to the more obscure or character revealing lies. I bet there are many we've forgotten about! Try to avoid duplication. Post as many as you want. Extra credit for links or screen shots.

Please humor me - I'm sick!

[wifezilla]

This thread is not about plain old weight loss. It is about people LYING about their weight loss and about people doing dangerous things in pursuit of weight loss. People CAN lose weight on Kimkins. They can also lose weight taking speed, being imprisoned in a concentration camp, or by self-imposed starvation. Are any of them HEALTHY ways to lose weight? HELL no! Should people recommend these methods? Promote them as healthy? Lie and say they lost a lot of weight using the above methods when you never lost a pound? Charge others for your "PLAN" based on any of the above? Promote or recommend any of these plans as healthy while ignoring evidence that others have suffered health problems from any of the above plans? Again, HELL no!

Just because George Burns lived in to his 90's while drinking booze and smoking cigars doesn't mean everyone should smoke daily and start drinking.

[vernswifevickie]

Originally Posted by wifezilla

Adkins is where you add all kinds of dumb ideas to Atkins, and then when it fails, you blame the Atkins, not your stupid additions.

Now THAT is the best Thing I've read all morning!!!

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

men--hang it up. I've said I don't cut & paste and don't edit. Go back and read.

You seem to want to argue. I'm responding. Yes, I came out here, after my name was used out here. If your gonna talk about me I want you to know what your talking about. So the first mention of DEEDLYNN out here was by someone in the group.

If it's not poking the dog...what is it.

I tried to be the one to end it. Wished you health on your jjourney. Wished you success on your journey.

Again, there's no win/win with you folks....(most of you folks--sorry, lumping again). It is my site. It is my HOME SITE. It is where my friends are...friends who are losing & maintaining, friends who care about Dee, regardless of who she is or isn't. (would the same happen out here if someone was still following KK--because I know of at least 2 of you who are.)

So, again---GOOD LUCK! Best wishes to reach your goal. Best wishes of health.

What site? If I'm being accused of something, I'd at least like to go there and be guilty of it.

[Nady]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

not hateful...I'm not calling anyone a B$*(%#*, just responding to your posts.

I have no hate towards anyone...thought I had made that clear. I've not been hateful. I've been blunt. Big difference.

But again, you did miss the point....can't stand to see someone who is on maintenance at goal and healthy at KK can you? See, I like to see anyone who has a weight problem get to goal and be healthy, with whatever plan they choose. Your right. We are different.

So~ show me one person that is actually doing Kimkins Maintenance as written and has maintained (for more than 2 months) the weight they lost while doing the Kimkins diet as written (not the cover your ass version posted since the lawsuit). Then I'll believe you have something to say worth hearing.
~~~N

[Madam De Leon]

Has anyone seen the new Dannon +0 "Dannon plus" Light and Fit ads on TV? You know, the ones where these two women meet and the one says, wow, did you lose weight, and the other says "Yeah, and I also lost calcium and vitamin B..." Then the announcer comes on to make the bold announcement that not eating properly while losing weight can cause you to become deficient in various nutrients...

I'm sure you can guess what diet that ad reminds me of...

[vernswifevickie]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

What site? If I'm being accused of something, I'd at least like to go there and be guilty of it.

You can't go there silly! You've been banned! (for something you said AFTER you were banned )

[This time]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

not hateful...I'm not calling anyone a B$*(%#*, just responding to your posts.

I have no hate towards anyone...thought I had made that clear. I've not been hateful. I've been blunt. Big difference.

But again, you did miss the point....can't stand to see someone who is on maintenance at goal and healthy at KK can you? See, I like to see anyone who has a weight problem get to goal and be healthy, with whatever plan they choose. Your right. We are different.

I got heart palpitations from kk, i almost passed out from kk...you coo-coo!!

[BamaGal]

anyone got some aspirin??? I've got a splitting headache.....

Originally Posted by Madam De Leon

I can assure you I"m not in this for the Money, especially since I never joined KK, and therefore can't even be part of the lawsuit. I'm not the only one involved in this who never joined and is therefore not part of the lawsuit. We gain NOTHING from this.

But we can recognize a dangerous diet scam that needs to be shut down - that's why we're involved in this.

Think what you like about it, but many of us get no benefit from Heidi's downfall at all, we just don't want to see anyone else harmed by such dangerous dietary advice.

(And I do hope the rest of the NON-former-KK-Ducks don't mind me speaking in such generalized terms here. If you do, please feel free to exclude yourself from my general statements of intent!)

I gets nada zilch zero---but pure satisfaction on a job well done---when the site goes 404

Originally Posted by wifezilla

Anyone who supports Kimkins or Kimmer and helps to perpetuate her fraud through active endorsement or allowing themselves to be portrayed as an example of the "benefits" of this dangerous plan is no better than Heidi. Period.

Originally Posted by Tooter

I'm leaving for the weekend. Just wanted to say "Happy Mother's day" a little early to all you Moms!

Happy Mother's Day to you too....

[vernswifevickie]

Originally Posted by Nady

So~ show me one person that is actually doing Kimkins Maintenance as written and has maintained (for more than 2 months) the weight they lost while doing the Kimkins diet as written (not the cover your ass version posted since the lawsuit). Then I'll believe you have something to say worth hearing.
~~~N

[OhYeahBabe]

Originally Posted by Madam De Leon

Has anyone seen the new Dannon +0 "Dannon plus" Light and Fit ads on TV? You know, the ones where these two women meet and the one says, wow, did you lose weight, and the other says "Yeah, and I also lost calcium and vitamin B..." Then the announcer comes on to make the bold announcement that not eating properly while losing weight can cause you to become deficient in various nutrients...

I'm sure you can guess what diet that ad reminds me of...

Yes! It's too bad she looks so healthy & pretty. You can't see the hair loss, the tooth damage, the bone loss, the heart palpitations, or the sagging skin... And you can't see that she's now lost the ability to eat right because bad diet habits have become her identity.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

And if you label me a B*(%*#....

Dee- It seems you have misquoted me- I said "calling a B*%$h(dog) " LOL,

[BamaGal]

In Heidi's own words from her site Nov 2007---after the big apology---don't worry screen shots were done in case she decided to remove it....

“It’s best not exceed the 1000 cals,, 20 carbs, 20-30 fat grams, and keep the Protein at 60-90 grams per day. These are the limits for newbies, but you will find that as you stick with the plan you will see lower numbers in all the above categories. If you have any other questions or need help PM me anytime, I love to help.”

Covering herself by saying 1000 calories—but you see that is the UPPER limit. Then she says numbers will be lower once you stick with the plan. Let’s do the math shall we. Calories for carbs are 4 cals/gm, protein 4 cals/gm, fat 9 cals/gm. Taking the upper limits of 20gms carbs, 30 gms fat, and 90 gms protein:

(20×4) + (30×9) + (90×4) = 80 + 270 + 360 = 710

710 calories for the UPPER limit

That even falls below the 800 calories minimum, Tippy Toes is always spouting about. PLUS, Heidi says the numbers will be EVEN LOWER if you stick with the plan. How much lower can they really go?
Oh, right sorry, this is Kimkins, where you are expected to be as low as possible. Remember you are carrying tons of food around as fat. You can live off it and never eat again……
At least that’s what Heidi has always said……
YET………. she IS a PROVEN liar.


also Heidi's own words:

Think of it like this (fake numbers for illustration). If a person weighed 200 lbs and needed 2000 calories to maintain that weight but only ate 800:

200 lbs, need 2000, ate 800 = 1200 cal taken from body fat
195 lbs, need 1950, ate 800 = 1150 cal taken from body fat
180 lbs, need 1800, ate 800 = 1000 cal taken from body fat
150 lbs, need 1500, ate 800 = 700 cal taken from body fat
140 lbs, need 1400, ate 800 = 600 cal taken from body fat

body fat is the LAST place the body goes to for calories---muscles in the body are first...


Heidi's own words.........

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by Mayberryfan

Anyone got a beating you head against a brick wall smiley??

Mrs.Menopausal ~ I want to be JUST like you when I grow up! I LOVE how you state your case!

: stars:

[Madam De Leon]

Originally Posted by OhYeahBabe

Yes! It's too bad she looks so healthy & pretty. You can't see the hair loss, the tooth damage, the bone loss, the heart palpitations, or the sagging skin... And you can't see that she's now lost the ability to eat right because bad diet habits have become her identity.

I don't think she looks healthy, just thin. She looks washed out to me.

But this is "TV reality" - amazing the things they can do with lighting, makeup, hairstyles, wardrobe.

I should go look up the name of the model, but I remember reading about a model who starved herself thin enough to continue modeling, then as she got older, it became apparent all the damage she had done to herself over those years... She eventually gained up to what would be a normal weight for her height, and is now a plus sized model. Lemme go see if I can find out who it is.

ETA - nah, can't seem to find her story any more. This has been a couple of years ago that I read stories about her though. As I recall, she was miserable trying to keep her weight down enough to remain a top model, but eventually got married, wanted children... well, she'd damaged herself severely with the years of starvation, including her reproductive system. Had major problems getting pregnant, etc. Put on a good bit of weight for a model - looks a LOT better, has a little girl now.

[OhYeahBabe]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

In Heidi's own words from her site Nov 2007---after the big apology---don't worry screen shots were done in case she decided to remove it....


Covering herself by saying 1000 calories—but you see that is the UPPER limit. Then she says numbers will be lower once you stick with the plan. Let’s do the math shall we. Calories for carbs are 4 cals/gm, protein 4 cals/gm, fat 9 cals/gm. Taking the upper limits of 20gms carbs, 30 gms fat, and 90 gms protein:

(20×4) + (30×9) + (90×4) = 80 + 270 + 360 = 710

710 calories for the UPPER limit

That even falls below the 800 calories minimum, Tippy Toes is always spouting about. PLUS, Heidi says the numbers will be EVEN LOWER if you stick with the plan. How much lower can they really go?
Oh, right sorry, this is Kimkins, where you are expected to be as low as possible. Remember you are carrying tons of food around as fat. You can live off it and never eat again……
At least that’s what Heidi has always said……
YET………. she IS a PROVEN liar.


also Heidi's own words:



body fat is the LAST place the body goes to for calories---muscles in the body are first...


Heidi's own words.........

Bama, you know it gives me goosebumps when you do the math!

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Nady

Why bother trying to talk to her~ she's not even doing KK. She's so late to this party that she can't even comprehend the goings on before she arrived.

Heidi can spin her tale any way she wants, but people like Dee should know that there are pictures~ proof. It's not some gossip the nasty ducks made up just because. Screen shots~ emails, testimonials of the damage KK caused.

Dee could have followed Atkins (as she is now doing) on any number of free sights and saved herself the money as well as the notoriety. Shame really~ no matter how fast you bail, you can't save a sinking ship

Oh well~
~~~N

If you tweak it, it's not Kimkins! That menu sure doesn't resemble the KK menu I did!

Originally Posted by DEEDLYNN

not hateful...I'm not calling anyone a B$*(%#*, just responding to your posts.

I have no hate towards anyone...thought I had made that clear. I've not been hateful. I've been blunt. Big difference.

But again, you did miss the point....can't stand to see someone who is on maintenance at goal and healthy at KK can you? See, I like to see anyone who has a weight problem get to goal and be healthy, with whatever plan they choose. Your right. We are different.

But when we are blunt, WE'RE hateful. Love the double standard - NOT!

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2