Why the fascination with Kimmer? #15

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by Sheridan

I couldn't agree more! Y'all ROCK!



Nice to meet you! I think your 2 cents are priceless!



Yep.

It takes so little for some to become overly impressed with themselves, ya' know?



Amyb, I hope you and your family have a fabulous time!

Well, you know, he came right out and told us he did it for fun. But I don't have to play in his game. And this is NOT about fun. We all are doing some serious stuff here, and I can't waste my time dealing with Friday fly-bys, period. If I thought someone was seriously asking questions and wanting to know the history - yes - I would take some time to explain it. But this person flat out told us he does this for fun. Fun? When hundreds and thousands of people suffered at the hands of Ms. Diaz? When medical issues have arisen countless times? I think not, Sam.

[jo2621]

Originally Posted by daisyrat

9. My guess is these complainants have been "chronic dieters" for many years and their brief sojourn as Kimkins followers was not really contributory to any of their real (or imagined) miseries. (...).

Possibly, but the dietary status of the plaintiffs has nothing to do with the lawsuit. They joined Kimkins based on fraudulent claims made by Heidi Diaz.

Thanks Lisa for all of your thoughts but especially that above.

Trying to lay the blame of what Heidi has done on the innocent people she conned with her lies is much like a sexual predator saying a woman was "asking for it" because of her lifestyle choices. Blame the victim mentality.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by daisyrat

....snip.....

I think you need to do some more reading.

Heidi did make many friendly, helpful posts. She also made plenty of snarky, hurtful posts. All of her posts were based on a huge lie, namely, that she had lost 198 lbs in 11 months by following this plan. It certainly did work for some people, but it also certainly did not work for many others. There are many, many instances where Heidi told people for whom it was not working that they weren't doing it right, or cheating, or whatever.

Bravo to everything you said! You had much more patience with all of that than I did!

Wishing you luck on the job hunt!

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

Well, you know, he came right out and told us he did it for fun. But I don't have to play in his game. And this is NOT about fun. We all are doing some serious stuff here, and I can't waste my time dealing with Friday fly-bys, period. If I thought someone was seriously asking questions and wanting to know the history - yes - I would take some time to explain it. But this person flat out told us he does this for fun. Fun? When hundreds and thousands of people suffered at the hands of Ms. Diaz? When medical issues have arisen countless times? I think not, Sam.

ITA!!!

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

Well, you know, he came right out and told us he did it for fun. But I don't have to play in his game. And this is NOT about fun. We all are doing some serious stuff here, and I can't waste my time dealing with Friday fly-bys, period. If I thought someone was seriously asking questions and wanting to know the history - yes - I would take some time to explain it. But this person flat out told us he does this for fun. Fun? When hundreds and thousands of people suffered at the hands of Ms. Diaz? When medical issues have arisen countless times? I think not, Sam.

I totally agree! Do you think he may have been a bit surprised at the responses he got? I think he expected an emotional free-for-all. After all, there's no fun if you don't ruffle the duck feathers. Instead, he was met with rational, factual, logical, well thought out responses that show everyone how off base he is. I'm proud of the ducks, both those who responded, and those who didn't!

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by Amyb1569

Mayberryfan..

Come on...hurry up ...Can we eat and drink...lot's.

JO...
Darn..the fmaily is up up and up..no more sleep..lol

Are you guys behaving? Oh come on..you can be bad..lol

You are in HAWAII and you are on the computer

go find a cabana boy somewhere to rub lotion on ya and forget about us....

Originally Posted by daisyrat

big snips


Possibly, but the dietary status of the plaintiffs has nothing to do with the lawsuit. They joined Kimkins based on fraudulent claims made by Heidi Diaz.

The entire basis of Heidi's claims was that she, herself, had enjoyed tremendous success using this plan. That was untrue. She also claimed that many others had done the same. I'm sure some people did have success using Kimkins in some form, but interestingly enough, she used none of them in the initial iteration of her website testimonials. Why is that?

Well, I must admit that's a really good apologia for trolling However, open discourse is a valuable thing. Probably 90% of people here are in agreement about the major points of this topic, but agreement does not automatically equal 'right.' For that reason, I think it's a very good thing that we have these debates.

I have such a girl crush right about now....

You have such a way with words.....

hope things go well and the job fits for you and them.....

[MissMerize]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

I totally agree! Do you think he may have been a bit surprised at the responses he got? I think he expected an emotional free-for-all. After all, there's no fun if you don't ruffle the duck feathers. Instead, he was met with rational, factual, logical, well thought out responses that show everyone how off base he is. I'm proud of the ducks, both those who responded, and those who didn't!

Let it be written: He did not come in here saying,"Oh, I love the ducks - what a great job you are doing, I'm going to kiss up to all of you first before I post something."

There is a way to enter this thread, and not be chewed up and spat back out. And say what you want - even if we disagree with it.

We are open to suggestions, new opinions, helpful advice, etc. And I believe it can be done without writing a 20 page post as well.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

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That said, the announcement about TT stepping down and handing off the Camp to Heather and Brian, but would still be around.......wasn't that a bit of a blast from the past? Now, I am NOT saying they are up to the same shenanigans Kimmer was up to when she "stepped down", only that it was very reminiscent.

It's still about the MONEY! Reading between the lines, I'd say TT has gotten into a real financial bind, and the Camp insurance was the last straw. (How in the world is insurance involved in an online forum anyway?)

[daisyrat]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

I have such a girl crush right about now....

You have such a way with words.....

hope things go well and the job fits for you and them.....

Thanks! I've had many girl crushes on so many of the Ducks as well!

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by SMP

It's still about the MONEY! Reading between the lines, I'd say TT has gotten into a real financial bind, and the Camp insurance was the last straw. (How in the world is insurance involved in an online forum anyway?)

Ya got me! I'm still scratching my head over that one!

[Mayberryfan]

Perhaps Tippy is trying to cover herself in case someone sues for bad advice? I don't really know what the "parameters" are for giving advice on the internet. Buyer beware for certain! But, if you're heading up an advice site and giving people advice that could affect their health without the proper medical knowledge, I could see where that would be a liability issue.

Are you listening Bonnie Luper??

[daisyrat]

Originally Posted by Mayberryfan

Perhaps Tippy is trying to cover herself in case someone sues for bad advice? I don't really know what the "parameters" are for giving advice on the internet. Buyer beware for certain! But, if you're heading up an advice site and giving people advice that could affect their health without the proper medical knowledge, I could see where that would be a liability issue.

Are you listening Bonnie Luper??

I was thinking corporate liability insurance, but no insurance company in the world would ever cover something like Camp Carbaway. They're too small, and the business model is kind of shaky. I have no idea what other kind of 'insurance' they'd need.

BTW, your avitar made me !!!

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by SMP

It's still about the MONEY! Reading between the lines, I'd say TT has gotten into a real financial bind, and the Camp insurance was the last straw. (How in the world is insurance involved in an online forum anyway?)

ask and it shall be answered. I interviewed TT of the blog post and ask that same question and this was the reply

owning rental properties put her in a special insurance catagory/risk. They would be forced to carry errors and omissions and the cost is $700 a year. Had they done this, Camp could not be free.

With TT off the policy the special catagory/risk was removed from their policy.

and CAMp has been prepaid for until 2009 and TT has agreed to pay for camp expenses that come up so it is not in a bind.

[SMP]

Thanks so much, 2Big. (But I still don't see how TT's high-risk ownership of rental properties could have the slightest bearing on an online forum. Colour me Dumb, eh?)

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by Amyb1569

Ummm....hello..anyone remember me? I am up cause my body clock is screwed up..So what is a girl to do while in Hawaii when everyone is sleeping? ummmmm come here and say Hello and see if anyone knew I was gone? LOL
17 hrs on a plane with 4 kids and a DH who have never flown..males a girl wanna eat and drink..lol

Looking tanned all ready! Hope you are all having lots of fun.

[2big4mysize]

errors and omissions liability insurance covers them for any errors posted on the site or information they should have posted and didn't should anybody sue which I'm sure kimmer is wishing she had bought.

ETA here is the copy from a company selling it

In the today's litigious world, many Content Provider for Web Page/Forum owners protect themselves with errors and omissions insurance (E&O).

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by Mayberryfan

8-Doing Kimkins

Hey, and they quoted their source

[daisyrat]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

errors and omissions liability insurance covers them for any errors posted on the site or information they should have posted and didn't should anybody sue which I'm sure kimmer is wishing she had bought.

ETA here is the copy from a company selling it

Sure. But Tippy owning rental property has nothing to do with it -- she's not required to get E&O because she owns rental property, she should get it because it's the smart thing to do. And, if I'm understanding this correctly, CC changed ownership so they wouldn't "have" to get it, allegedly because of Tippy's rental properties.

All I can say is, it doesn't make sense.

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

Well the difference in TT stepping down as owner is there is no fraud in camp nor any deception involved. Guess i should have gone into more detail in my blog post. Sorry I'll go edit it.


The choice was a very simple one.

because of TT's finanicial situation with rental property the insurance for the camp was exhorbant. With TT off the policy the price dropped. So if TT stays owner camp can't be a private free site. TT steps down and camp can stay free. ( yep only one bought membership and only cause the purchaser will not accept the refund) Since TT is footing the bills for camp stepping down and making it free seems like a no brainer at least to me. She will still be an admin in camp and for those watching camp you will see TT has become an Atkineer climbing the OWL ladder slowly and embracing the mandatory exercise part of Atkins too cause y'all know if you aren't exercising Dr Atkins says you aren't doing his plan.



AmyB enjoy your trip witht he family and stay off the net. you need a vacation too.

This really confuses me ... we carry a HUGE liability policy because of what my dh does for a living, and it isn't that expensive at all. What kind of liability insurance could TT possibly have on a website which doesn't sell or promote anything at all? It's not like this is a real, physical camp.

I want to give her the benefit of the doubt, and I know you believe her 2Big, but what makes this make any sense at all?

[Mayberryfan]

Lisa said:

BTW, your avitar made me !!!

Glad you like it! It makes me howl! I did a search of google images for "cabana boy" and that was about the 3-4 picture to come up. I knew I needed to look no further.

I guess I need to give Jo some credit too. She asked me to get rid of the Carmen Miranda rubber duck I was using for my av. Someday I've got to get back to the Chris Daughtry av because I promised Jeanessa I would.

I don't want to make HER mad!

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

ask and it shall be answered. I interviewed TT of the blog post and ask that same question and this was the reply

owning rental properties put her in a special insurance catagory/risk. They would be forced to carry errors and omissions and the cost is $700 a year. Had they done this, Camp could not be free.

With TT off the policy the special catagory/risk was removed from their policy.

and CAMp has been prepaid for until 2009 and TT has agreed to pay for camp expenses that come up so it is not in a bind.

I'm sorry, but that is total BS ... absolutely, totally, 100%. First of all, Camp Carbaway wouldn't even begin to qualify for an errors and omissions policy. Second of all, they don't cost $700 a year, even if they did.

What a crock.

Geez. I'm shutting up now because what I am thinking isn't suitable for print.

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

errors and omissions liability insurance covers them for any errors posted on the site or information they should have posted and didn't should anybody sue which I'm sure kimmer is wishing she had bought.

ETA here is the copy from a company selling it

Fraud is NOT covered by errors and omissions.

Could TT have been ripped off? Well, if she paid $700 for an insurance policy let's just say somebody saw her coming ... and from a long, long ways away.