Why the fascination with Kimmer? #15

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by Madam De Leon

I don't know if anyone gave you a straight answer on these questions yet, so here goes:

Could no one do anything ? Actually things are being done, which is the purpose of these threads that have gone on for 15 chapters. Yeah, it slips into silliness and way off topic from time to time.

She wasn't too hard to find, obviously that private eye had no problem? I have no idea how much difficulty the PI had finding her - but once the photos and video were made public, her lie was outed and the search was on to find where the red dress photo came from. We found just about all the success story photos too.

Isn't this classified as a scam of some sort? Definitely. There is a class action suit being pursued. She's been deposed twice. The judge just recently upheld the writ of attachment against her assets. It's not merely classified as a scam because of the fact that a morbidly obese woman with no medical background gave starvation diet advice to people that caused them a multitude of serious health problems, but because of the faked success stories, the success story photos stolen from Russian Bride sites, the banning of members from "lifetime memberships" with no refund, the long promised e-book that was nothing more than an e-mailed promotion of Kimkins, hiding her assets by buying a $400,000 house, paying the IRS a huge chunk of money (unsolicited)... and there's probably more... Which is why we're looking into things such as the photos supposedly showing her losing weight, since every last one of them appears to have been photoshopped extensively, and also why we're looking into another paid diet site called the Magic Chicken Diet, in which the menu plan looks extremely similar in calories and nutrient levels to KK.

I see you have nothing else to do besides snoop through my posts, sometimes I wonder... I know this doesn't seem to have anything to do with Heidi and KK, but the thing is, at this point it really does. We've had so many people come in and post random questions, objections to what we're doing here, or ask what's going on, etc, in an apparent attempt to distract us from what we're doing. The most recently revealed incident involved SingingLass, under a different screen name, directing us to her website (which I now see that you've seen), and asking leading questions about SL, so that we all thought she must have been someone new who just came out of lurkdom with some new info that should be looked into. We were fooled - the "AKA SingingLass" just appeared in her name when the admins put it there recently, after determining that the poster Little Sina had the exact same IP address as SL.

So forgive us if we view anyone new to these threads - or anyone who only seems to pop by occasionally - with suspicion. We're a bunch of ducks, and trying to discern truth from distraction. We've had a lot of distraction lately, and it seems to crop up the moment we start to delve into the Magic Chicken Diet. When you dropped by with what seemed like the standard type of post that is planted to distract us (I"m not accusing, just saying this is what it looked like), it just happened to coincide with us getting back into a discussion about MCD again.

I just wanted to know if she was prosecuted. Unfortunately, the wheels of justice turn very, very slowly. Right now, there is a class action lawsuit against her. She has been deposed twice. The lawsuit has not gone to trial yet. The class action will only result in removing the financial support of the KK website, which hopefully will shut it down for good. Criminal prosecution will very likely come later, since from what I understand, the California Attorney General's office is very, very interested in what's she's done that's been against their laws, as are the IRS, the FTC, Social Security and probably a few other governmental agencies that I can't remember right off hand.



To my fellow Ducks: Even if Heidi herself came in here under her Kimmer name and asked these questions, I think she'd still deserve a direct answer. You may not agree, but I don't have any problem with briefly explaining the facts of what's going on to someone, no matter who they are, because answering questions with facts is not agreeing with their views, or supporting views that may be at odds with our own. Whether or not we think they've been lurking around here long enough to know exactly what's going on is immaterial; it doesn't hurt to state the facts.

Madame, it's a terrible job but somebody had to do it. Thanks, I hope Little Miss appreciates you taking your time on her behalf

[LINC]

Originally Posted by Mayberryfan

I think what really gets me about Bonnie is that she's got the audacity to charge $70 to give someone horrible advice. THAT'S the difference in my book. Many people believe "you get what you pay for" and I'm afaid that will entice people to pay for something that will actually end up harming them.

And, above all, checking into Bonnie in no way hampers what's happening to Kimmer. Her goose is all but cooked. John Tiedt has got enough evidence to bury that heathen about 12 times. Why keep digging up stuff on her now? There are plenty of nails for that coffin. Bonnie Luper is a different story, connected to Heidi or not.

I kinda thought Kimmer was the reason people were checking into MCD - because they were sure they're connected, like that's where she's funneling her money and/or business. And what makes me not so worried about her infecting the internet like Kimkins did is the fact that she's not - looks like her and her sisters and daughters and maybe a couple friends are the only people doing her diet. She doesn't advertise at all and she's not making money the way Heidi is or the way a lot of other diet scammers out there are. And, while she's selling an unsafe diet, she's not lying about her own weight loss or using testimonials from Russian brides and actors who have never heard of her. It just doesn't seem to me that Bonnie is trying - AT ALL - to make money with this site.

Originally Posted by BamaGal

Living Low Carb & Lovin' It!: The Breast Cancer Patient Protection Act

Done. That's really nuts. A good friend of mine just has a mastectomy and she had to go home the next day. I thought that was crazy.

Originally Posted by **Lola**

Either way, why doesn't someone just call up Bonnie nicely and ask her about her diet??? Explain the interest and that you want to rule her out of this whole Kimmer thing and see what she says. Rather than months and months and months of speculation about someone who probably has nothing at all to do with Kimkins.

I think people did e-mail her in the beginning and she responded by saying she knew nothing of Kimmer or Kimkins...except for the fact that her husband wanted a site that looked just like Kimkins, which is why people thought she was lying. And I think a couple people have even spoken to her. She's not hiding like Heidi was - she's even invited people to stop by and see her at her candle shop. But now she's not responding to people's questions anymore.

Originally Posted by dlslds

ps MOO=my opinion only

Thanks for clarifying that....I thought you were going to tell me there is a magic cow diet too.

Lou

[jo2621]

Originally Posted by little_miss

I am really dying to know where some of you have read that I am asking you to please stop venting and/or taming down your jokes? Honestly people.

That wasn't directed at you...honestly. There were others posting that.

[MissMerize]

I did! I did see a plane go by!

[**Lola**]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

I did! I did see a plane go by!

Yep, that's always helpful when you imply that your fellow posters who don't EXACTLY agree with everything you say are trolls or "three musketeer" or "captain morgan" flying a plane (whatever that means).

And yet some wonder why some people on this thread have a reputation of being bullies.

---you just can't resist getting a dig in at a fellow poster, I guess.

[**Lola**]

I think people did e-mail her in the beginning and she responded by saying she knew nothing of Kimmer or Kimkins...except for the fact that her husband wanted a site that looked just like Kimkins, which is why people thought she was lying. And I think a couple people have even spoken to her. She's not hiding like Heidi was - she's even invited people to stop by and see her at her candle shop. But now she's not responding to people's questions anymore.

Ah!!! Well, I'm not surprised that she's stopped answering questions after all of this negative attention directed toward her.

It's a shame that one of the direct methods couldn't have been used to clear up this matter. I bet the truth regarding MCD is a lot less interesting and convoluted than many imagine.

[dlslds]

Originally Posted by jo2621

MissM----fire up the martini shaker. I'd like it dirty with extra olives please.

i need a virgin one just fill it with olives and let it just look at the vermouth for a second please


MAGIC CHICKEN DIET!!!!

[little_miss]

Was this Magic chicken diet linked to kimkins? How was this found?
Has anyone joined or have had medical problems too?
I know alot of people who joined kimkins and some still doing kimkins but I have never heard of The magic diet. The sites kind of resemble eachother.

[OhYeahBabe]

I'm sorry, Little Miss, you felt unwelcome or jumped on. You came in at the same time SL pulled a stunt that raised everyone's suspicion level. Your beginning comment contained a statement that could easily have been interpreted as Heidi support, and many statements since then have sounded like common diversions here. Sock puppets show up all the time. You've read at least part of the threads, so I'm sure you can see how these things happen. Understand how long this has been going on, how weary and suspicious everyone is, and how things can go awry with communication. You also carry part of the burden for communication errors, not just ducks. Read your own words and see how they might be interpreted when read in the context of this thread. Understand that mistakes get made by all of us all the time. We're human.

And to those who only participate when it's time to conduct duck manners workshops, grow up.

[OhYeahBabe]

Originally Posted by little_miss

Was this Magic chicken diet linked to kimkins? How was this found?
Has anyone joined or have had medical problems too?
I know alot of people who joined kimkins and some still doing kimkins but I have never heard of The magic diet. The sites kind of resemble eachother.

Connection has not been established yet, but they look similar on purpose. The owner of that site put up a request for a developer to create her a site just like Kimkins.

Yes, people have gotten medical problems while doing Kimkins. Kimmer banned them for mentioning them. Read the Survivor blog and many of the blogs in the blog ring and you'll see.

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by little_miss

What I meant when I said help people was not in the sense of helping them change their lives for the better, what I meant was when they came to her with a problem, she helped every single person (as in talk to them) understand why they were feeling the way they felt (ketosis wise) the symptoms, she had an answer for everything. Think more along the lines of customer service. You are taking one little thing and running with it hoping to justify your mean spiritedness. Quite sad.

Yeah, Hidey helped so many people. Why are we being so negative on her?

when they came to her with a problem, she helped every single person (as in talk to them) understand why they were feeling the way they felt (ketosis wise) the symptoms, she had an answer for everything.

Gosh and even though so much of it was bald-faced LIES she is still just a kind hearted do-gooder at heart. I guess we ARE just a bunch of evil meanies and negative nancies after all. Shame on us.










So how much is Hidey paying you, Little Miss?

[little_miss]

If anyone would of told me what I said could of been interpreted in the wrong way I could of easily cleared up what I meant, to me I was expressing what I felt or how I understood things and that itself is not a crime. I can believe or say whatever I want, it's called freedom of speech, you can't put someone down for that, just because you don't agree. I agree with all of you that heidi is not a good person but people are taking every letter of every word and picking at it in hopes to find something to fight about. We are all here to lose weight that is the basic factor and I realize sometimes we don't get a chance to express ourselves fully in person because some aren't taken as serious as they would like because they are overweight, that in no means is a reason to overcompensate on a message board and RAM your point home. Over and over again. Let's just all get along, and stop with the rude comments.

[jo2621]

Can anybody sing like Dionne Warwick?

I have a song stuck in my head...."Scroll on By"

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by LChottie07

Good morning all... just wanted to stop by to tell you that I'm alive. Barely though LOL For those who do not know what the surgery was about, in my accident at the beginning of the year, my ACL was re-torn. Same knee as the ACL repair I had last year. The surgery was successful, however they did not use a nerve block like they did in my last surgery, so I'm in a great deal more pain. I'll be on pain meds and drugs for the next few days so I probably won't be posting much. But, wanted to thank you all for the kind words, encouragement, and well wishes. Keep up the great work everyone!

Christin

So glad to hear you came through the surgery well, Christin. Hope you got some good stuff to keep you comfortable. I'll be praying for a good and easy recovery.

[dlslds]

Originally Posted by little_miss

Was this Magic chicken diet linked to kimkins? How was this found?
Has anyone joined or have had medical problems too?
I know alot of people who joined kimkins and some still doing kimkins but I have never heard of The magic diet. The sites kind of resemble eachother.

LM that is the big mystery! every time we mention it something happens! It is just like clockwork and toally facinating!!!

btw my post to Nady is how i feel about everyone, I think we ALL should be allowed to say and vent however we need. and if someone ruffles my feathers or hurts my feelings I try to take a c;oser look at the words being said and not take it personally but objectively. ( not that i am all groovygaloo or anything, thats just what i try to do) cuz i was very censored at the Kpound and so my feathers get fuffled in an alergic reaction when i sense censorship in any form (even imaginary)

[**Lola**]

Originally Posted by little_miss

If anyone would of told me what I said could of been interpreted in the wrong way I could of easily cleared up what I meant, to me I was expressing what I felt or how I understood things and that itself is not a crime. I can believe or say whatever I want, it's called freedom of speech, you can't put someone down for that, just because you don't agree. I agree with all of you that heidi is not a good person but people are taking every letter of every word and picking at it in hopes to find something to fight about. We are all here to lose weight that is the basic factor and I realize sometimes we don't get a chance to express ourselves fully in person because some aren't taken as serious as they would like because they are overweight, that in no means is a reason to overcompensate on a message board and RAM your point home. Over and over again. Let's just all get along, and stop with the rude comments.

[Nady]

Originally Posted by Locarb4me

Yeah, Hidey helped so many people. Why are we being so negative on her?

Gosh and even though so much of it was bald-faced LIES she is still just a kind hearted do-gooder at heart. I guess we ARE just a bunch of evil meanies and negative nancies after all. Shame on us.










So how much is Hidey paying you, Little Miss?

I'm not an evil meanie or a negative nancy~ I'm

insane?????????????????

~~~N

[little_miss]

when they came to her with a problem, she helped every single person (as in talk to them) understand why they were feeling the way they felt (ketosis wise) the symptoms, she had an answer for everything.

Gosh and even though so much of it was bald-faced LIES she is still just a kind hearted do-gooder at heart. I guess we ARE just a bunch of evil meanies and negative nancies after all. Shame on us.


Who said she was KIND HEARTED? Can you see what you type? I said think customer service, she was there to answer THEIR questions. I had nothing to do with that situation so stop trying to villify me over what KIMMER did. I did not say she had good, right answers, or that these people benefited. GET OVER YOURSELF.

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by Mayberryfan

Trying to scan some of this in order to keep my blood pressure down..

There has been and IS much work going on trying to connect Bonnie and Heidi. The fact that they both lived at the same time in Corona and we can safely assume they were both overweight at the time, they may've struck up a friendship. Hard to say!

Here are my theories...FWIW..on the possible Bonnie/Heidi connection

1. Bonnie Luper was a member at Kimkins who took money from Heidi in order to create a backup site for Kimkins which became the Magic Chicken Diet.

2. One of Bonnie's daughter(s) - we know she has at least one daughter Courtney - or DIL's, niece, or a good friend was a member at Kimkins and gave Bonnie the info she needed to start her own website.

3. Bonnie could be friends with a former Kimkins administrator who wanted to make some mega-bucks of her own and went into business with Bonnie.

4. Bonnie just heard about Kimkins, knew the potential for a diet website to take off, and decided to copy it on her own.

Again, these are just THEORIES... But, whatever the connection between Heidi and Bonnie, assuming there is one, will be found. The Tragic Chicken Diet is every bit as dangerous as Kimkins. Check Mariasol's blog for the menu and see for yourself.

I don't know how Bonnie can sleep at night. After all, the woman works in the insurance industry. Surely she MUST understand about liability.

Those are some good jumping off points, Mayberry! Back to work on MCD-KK connections

[Madam De Leon]

Originally Posted by little_miss

"i get so grossed out by others dictating to others what to say and how to say it. and every bored with the attempted censorship"

Funny how you mention that, dlslds, that is exactly what has been happening to me. I couldn't even ask a simple question, how much more censored can you get than that?

As far as me only coming to start trouble, I haven't even been allowed or welcomed to contribute yet, I have been merely trying to prove I am not some sort of mole. I know friendships get in the way of seeing things sometimes, I know there are bonds already here, so I get why things are being said in defense and trying to justify crappy behavior. Anyways I'm done with the negativity, anyone who wants to talk to me here is welcome, I am friendly and nice and willing to make new friends.

The idea that you're a mole is just ludicrous. A mole is someone who sneaks into a private area and snoops around in order to take information back to the other side. This forum is not private. Anyone can read here, even those who have been banned from posting on the site, so there is no private information posted here to begin with - or at least there shouldn't be.

So by all means, post away. But be forewarned (you've probably already figured this out by now) we will pick apart anything that looks supportive of KK, since this thread is devoted to taking down the Kimpire.

Originally Posted by Nady

Thank you And for the record, I wasn't hurt by Heidi, I'm not angry. But I've spent 9 months reading Kimkins Survivors and the other blogs and I can't kelp but feel for those who were hurt.

Sorry, but you come across as very angry sometimes. I'm the first to admit that the inability to see facial expressions and hear the tone of voice in written postings makes it very difficult to discern the true intention of the poster though.

I would never try to tell anyone how to feel or what they can or cannot post~ this thread is also about healing~ whatever form it takes. I just find it annoying when someone comes in and tells members here that there are 'rules' for healing~ that you can't express any negative emotions or behavior.

Everyone needs to be able to say what they need to say~ and if you don't like it, well then SOB ( LL)

~~~N

Regarding the idea that anyone can post anything they like here:

Just as someone coming in saying things that could be taken as supportive of KK needs to realize that their postings are going to be ripped to shreds, and the collective is going to be suspicious of their intentions, anyone who posts things that could be taken as hateful or angry also needs to realize that what they're saying could put off someone who is genuinely interested in being helpful or curious about what's been going on, but has made the mistake of using wording that can be construed as pro-KK.

I"m not singling you out, Nady - this has happened a lot around here. I don't remember who's posted what though - good grief, I can barely remember what was posted on the previous page, much less who posted what a month or 2 months or 6 months ago.

Still, I hate to think how many people have been driven away who would have been good Ducks, had they just been given a chance to accept the evidence against Heidi at their own speed, instead of having it rammed down their throat. It's just come to the point where I feel the need to express my feelings about it, because of the most recent problem w/LM.

Yes, SingingLass pulled a nasty stunt, coming in here dressed in sheep's clothing, but did it do any real harm? I don't know about the rest of you, but I"m personally very careful about clicking on any outside links. I need to know what they are, whether they're likely to have any tracking cookies, spam bots, or trojans attached to them, as well as always, always having a firewall up, and a current anti-virus program running. We knew going in that it was SL's site, so that should have been enough right there to make the saavy duck very wary of poking around on her site.

As far as her tracking to see who goes there and to KK - well, that's likely to backfire on her and Heidi anyway, since some of the ones who are still loyal KK'ers could just as easily do a google and find her site. Not that they seem to care who they ban, but then if they ban a whole slew of their loyal supporters because of this stupid stunt, that'll be just that many more who make their way over here to become part of the Duck squad.

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

I have not been able to find that info yet.

Oh, I see we do have a last name. Pierce. Thanks!

oooooo--oooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My ex-BIL was the biggest scam artist to walk the face of the earth and his last name is Pierce!! I think I see a connection here.