Why the fascination with Kimmer? #15

[SMP]

Originally Posted by LINC

Playing devil's advocate here....................

D.A.

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Talk about a diversion! It's almost like Bonnie is over there whistling, "Hey, yoohoo....look at me. Look at what I'm doing. Look at my nutty husband. No you can't buy candles at my candle site. Spend some time there trying to figure out what it's really for though. Come on in. And check out the crazy comment section too. Makes no sense, huh? Dig a little deeper. Go ahead."

Seriously, what if there's nothing to find? That makes more sense to me.

Just my thoughts on the subject......

Lou

To add to your speculating , Lou -

What if Bonnie -WHO HAS LOST THE WEIGHT - can back up a known fraud in declaring that a bunch of overweight bored housewives are harassing "innocent" people just trying to earn a living on the Net. Wouldn't this lend credence to Heidi's attempt at "privacy"? But Yer Onner, look at the campaign of hate and propaganda released against me because I developed a successful weight loss diet. Look, they went after the MCD lady, Bonnie Luper as well.

FWIW, I do not credit Heidi with the sense of responsibility towards KK'ers that would make her waste time and money setting up an alternate site. It's the cash flow that is addictive ; once paid, the KK'ers have no future value to keep Heidi afloat in her dream scam. I think I'd look for another apparently legit site , like MCD, in fact, where NEW memberships are being ACTIVELY solicited. MCD seems moribund. But maybe , just maybe, SL was harvesting IP addresses for Bonnie's sake, and ultimately Heidi's. Now there's a thought. If anybody from a known IP address on LCF shows up requesting a MCD membership, a comparison might not prevent the requester from getting a membership, just from being given the secret password to a new site.
...Nah! I don't think so. I think Bonnie was scared off by all the negative publicity and got busy with her new job. Wouldn't you be?

[Nady]

Originally Posted by CroweKitty

But why must the posts be dripping with vitriol and hatred? Does that make LCF the "friendliest" place on the web? LM really said nothing in support of Kimmer. And even if she did, argue with her, try to convince her of your view, etc. Don't use hateful, sarcastic language. That just turns everyone off, and doesn't say anything good about you (not you, Lauren, in particular, but the plural "you").

Many people read this thread for info, because many of us have been reading since 2003 and know Kimmer's history -- this is the place where it all started, right. I understood a long time ago that the admins have allowed this thread to go off topic -- that's fine, I'll scan through for the info I want, and ignore the rest. But when the hatred and sarcasm invades the thread, it's just unattractive and wrong.

Why do you expect us to be something better than normal humans? Some of us have been really hurt by Heidi and are still angry~ some if us are shouting into deaf ears about Heidi's scam. Some people just take offense every time someone comes into these particular threads and ask that Heidi be given some sort of credit for the few nice posts she may have made and don't seem to understand that the *but she's not all bad* is just part of the manipulation.

I realise that it gets a bit rough in here from time to time, but think of it this way~ criticizing this thread and the regulars that post because you think we should be 'friendlier' is a lot like taking a raft ride down the river rapids and then finding fault because it wasn't a smooth, gentle ride. All the other forums here are kinder, gentler~ nice. We're whitewater on the Colorado. Don't expect us to change because you don't want to get wet.

~~~N

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by LINC

Yes, that would be the connection, which would mean that yes, Heidi and Bonnie know each other and yes, Heidi is probably compensating Bonnie in some way. Or maybe they really are just old friends and Bonnie's doing this as a favor. Or maybe Bonnie's not doing anything but being the "face" of the MCD and Heidi's the one pulling all the strings. Whatever it is, Bonnie and the MCD aren't making any money from people who want to lose weight. I'm especially suspicious since the SL thing. The website, the "business," the craziness.....it just doesn't seem like a legitimate weight loss for-profit website to me. Something's way off. It's almost like things are intentionally convoluted. And distracting. Just like SL.

Lou

Whatever the connection may be - if any at all - it's all too wacky with David's rant, the request to have the site look like Kimkins, Hulon's rant, zero marketing efforts, and hardly anyone on the site. Why did they have to have 2 sites? What was the whole point of the .net site? How did Bonnie know that Mariasol had blogged about her? There is so much fishy stuff here. I have frequently thought Heidi was behind the rant.

[CroweKitty]

Originally Posted by Nady

Why do you expect us to be something better than normal humans? Some of us have been really hurt by Heidi and are still angry~ some if us are shouting into deaf ears about Heidi's scam. Some people just take offense every time someone comes into these particular threads and ask that Heidi be given some sort of credit for the few nice posts she may have made and don't seem to understand that the *but she's not all bad* is just part of the manipulation.

I realise that it gets a bit rough in here from time to time, but think of it this way~ criticizing this thread and the regulars that post because you think we should be 'friendlier' is a lot like taking a raft ride down the river rapids and then finding fault because it wasn't a smooth, gentle ride. All the other forums here are kinder, gentler~ nice. We're whitewater on the Colorado. Don't expect us to change because you don't want to get wet.

~~~N

Nady, I understand that you're hurt and angry and, per your posts, want to be a part of some internet "in crowd." But your anger and hatred is focused on fellow posters -- and that's wrong. Not everyone is a mole, or troll, or Heidi in disguise.

If you really feel that this thread is different and should be allowed to have the sarcastic, hateful posts maybe it should be moved to the playground. I just feel that the info and the work that has been done in this thread deserves to be seen by more people than would be allowed on the playground. I am just saying that your language should be tempered. If you wouldn't talk like that to a stranger on the street, why use it here.

PS - LM didn't criticize you in her original post asking for info. Nor did I understand her to praise Heidi. You may be reading way too much into things.

[Nady]

Originally Posted by CroweKitty

Nady, I understand that you're hurt and angry and, per your posts, want to be a part of some internet "in crowd." But your anger and hatred is focused on fellow posters -- and that's wrong. Not everyone is a mole, or troll, or Heidi in disguise.

If you really feel that this thread is different and should be allowed to have the sarcastic, hateful posts maybe it should be moved to the playground. I just feel that the info and the work that has been done in this thread deserves to be seen by more people than would be allowed on the playground. I am just saying that your language should be tempered. If you wouldn't talk like that to a stranger on the street, why use it here.

PS - LM didn't criticize you in her original post asking for info. Nor did I understand her to praise Heidi. You may be reading way too much into things.

uncle~ you win~ just not worth it.
~~~N

[Barbara B]

Trying to figure something out. Here is a post from MCD forum where Bonnie gives out a phone number to call her for support.

Bonnie wrote:

Suzy the support works through you and others posting on the forums or emailing me. You can also call me @ 817.238.8800 and I will personally talk to you and help you. We have over 200 members on this site but they have not registered to use the forum. Some people are shy or too busy with their lives and do not realize how helpful these forums can be for support.

If I do a google search on that number, here is what shows up:

From http://azle.texas-services.org/business-to-business/health-medicine/

Skipper Tracy
2503 Rodeo Plz, Fort Worth, TX
(817) 238-8800

From http://76164.askyp.com/

Tracy Skipper
2503 Rodeo Plz
Fort Worth, TX 76164
Phone : (817) 238-8800

From http://m.yellowbot.com/tags/candle/Fort%2BWorth,%2BTX/page1.html

Stoney Creek Candles
6604 Seth Barwise St, Fort Worth, TX
(817) 238-8800 9.0 miles


Why would Bonnie's phone number come up in a listing for Tracy Skipper? Who is Tracy Skipper? Well, under the first link, she comes up under a heading of "Medical Supplies & Equipment". Inquiring minds want to know.

[LosingToLive]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Here's what I hear you saying, Little_Miss ... Heidi, all while never having succeeded in her own weight loss journey - never having a well intentioned bone in her body - never having shared a single experience that was being laid out for her STILL managed (and continues to do so) to converse with others in such a way as to convince them that she DID have personal experience and was very convincing in that regard. She still IS. There are times that I read her stuff and have to become very concious of the fact that I know the things about her I do know. Without that background she appears very helpful. There are times that she also turns very snarky, but sort of like any expert with lousy bedside manners turns snarky.

Is that what you are say?

As to how anyone can still fall for it - I haven't a clue. In the beginning people only had their own gut to tell them something was amiss and that desire to believe could easily shut that up. But now - in the face of all the evidence?

BTW, folks, if you haven't been reading here all along or for a long time, which LM SAID she has not been doing, trying to catch up is a daunting task at best. And few people really have the time to just scroll on by (SOB) as one person said it. It is very disconcerting to see someone pounced on because they haven't the time nor inclination to weed through all of the jokes, etc to get the facts.

Whoa hang on please.
You are talking about my post about SOB. Please go back and read WHY I said that. I was answering Jo at the time.

We ALL have to scroll through the jokes, pictures to find out the facts right? Why is that comment so bad? Good Lord, I guess its my turn. Someone notify me so I can be prepared next time ok?

[Mayberryfan]

LINC, et al.,

I certainly haven't been able to make sense of what Bonnie Luper has and has not done in regards to the MCD. But, I'd like to.

I agree with your point that there are many, many bad diets out there and people fall for them or make up their own all the time. One cannot stop others from being stupid.

However, the MCD came into view here for whatever reason and I think it's worth working toward ending it, or at least putting out as much info as possible about its dangers. Hopefully it will stop someone from hurting themselves. Heck, that's what finally made me wise up about Kimmer is all the info people here put out. I HAD NO IDEA!

I think what really gets me about Bonnie is that she's got the audacity to charge $70 to give someone horrible advice. THAT'S the difference in my book. Many people believe "you get what you pay for" and I'm afaid that will entice people to pay for something that will actually end up harming them.

And, above all, checking into Bonnie in no way hampers what's happening to Kimmer. Her goose is all but cooked. John Tiedt has got enough evidence to bury that heathen about 12 times. Why keep digging up stuff on her now? There are plenty of nails for that coffin. Bonnie Luper is a different story, connected to Heidi or not.

But, that's just my $.02 worth.

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[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

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[sammymomma]

Originally Posted by NancyElle

Don't know if this adds anything to the puzzle, but this member


sammymomma
Senior LCF Member




spells "weird" the same way, and was actively posting on the "Fascination" threads for a while.


Do a search, and notice her siggy AND her posts. Definitely not a duck!

This is funny, I am not even involved in any way ...dont even post any more..(last time i signed on was jan- I am in school full time and work full time....).and I am still drawn into it..

LOL

Super sleuthing at its best....never knew my bad spelling would get me in "trouble".


Please concentrate on keeping people safe---- the meaning of the lawsuit---not someone who used to post..

Thanks/

Ps
_ quack

[**Lola**]

Originally Posted by CroweKitty

But why must the posts be dripping with vitriol and hatred? Does that make LCF the "friendliest" place on the web? LM really said nothing in support of Kimmer. And even if she did, argue with her, try to convince her of your view, etc. Don't use hateful, sarcastic language. That just turns everyone off, and doesn't say anything good about you (not you, Lauren, in particular, but the plural "you").

Many people read this thread for info, because many of us have been reading since 2003 and know Kimmer's history -- this is the place where it all started, right. I understood a long time ago that the admins have allowed this thread to go off topic -- that's fine, I'll scan through for the info I want, and ignore the rest. But when the hatred and sarcasm invades the thread, it's just unattractive and wrong.

ITA

[**Lola**]

Originally Posted by SMP

D.A.



To add to your speculating , Lou -

What if Bonnie -WHO HAS LOST THE WEIGHT - can back up a known fraud in declaring that a bunch of overweight bored housewives are harassing "innocent" people just trying to earn a living on the Net. Wouldn't this lend credence to Heidi's attempt at "privacy"? But Yer Onner, look at the campaign of hate and propaganda released against me because I developed a successful weight loss diet. Look, they went after the MCD lady, Bonnie Luper as well.

FWIW, I do not credit Heidi with the sense of responsibility towards KK'ers that would make her waste time and money setting up an alternate site. It's the cash flow that is addictive ; once paid, the KK'ers have no future value to keep Heidi afloat in her dream scam. I think I'd look for another apparently legit site , like MCD, in fact, where NEW memberships are being ACTIVELY solicited. MCD seems moribund. But maybe , just maybe, SL was harvesting IP addresses for Bonnie's sake, and ultimately Heidi's. Now there's a thought. If anybody from a known IP address on LCF shows up requesting a MCD membership, a comparison might not prevent the requester from getting a membership, just from being given the secret password to a new site.
...Nah! I don't think so. I think Bonnie was scared off by all the negative publicity and got busy with her new job. Wouldn't you be?

Your theory makes a lot of sense if there is really a connection between MCD and Kimmer.

Also, Linc makes a good point. From just reading and lurking in this thread it seems like there is more of an effort to distract WITH MCD than to distract FROM MCD.

Either way, why doesn't someone just call up Bonnie nicely and ask her about her diet??? Explain the interest and that you want to rule her out of this whole Kimmer thing and see what she says. Rather than months and months and months of speculation about someone who probably has nothing at all to do with Kimkins.

And the reason I say she probably has nothing to do with Kimkins is just as Linc pointed out, if she really had something to do with Kimkins they never would have advertised to clone Kimkins. Just doesn't make any sense.

[little_miss]

I really appreciate the kind words some have given and nice pms, I understand things can get tense here or anywhere for that matter, but you have to understand that even if I had come in here with an entirely different point of view than any of you (which I didn't, that is the odd thing) then I still don't think I should of been made to feel like an outcast or someone of interest you would need to take "down". I am just a person, interested in the facts and I really don't think it is nesseccary or fair for self appointed justice in a weight loss forum (whatever thread it may be, it's still a weight loss forum) to interrogate me into feeling like I have to leave. There is no hazing, mocking, put downs of cluelessness or naivity until you find out my true motives, you don't have that right. It may come off as a joke to you but this is the first impression you give people and its not a good one. Some here have shown me that it is okay to stay and post, and not be worried about what I have to say. I know everyone can see for themselves the way I was treated, don't blame it on the "duck" mentality, take personal responsibility for yourself. Thanks.

[Mrs. Steve]

I always spell it wrong, then see it and change it. LOL.

Originally Posted by MomToEli

A lot of people spell weird wierd because it doesn't fit the "i" before "e" rule ...

[dlslds]

Originally Posted by Nady

uncle~ you win~ just not worth it.
~~~N

Nady I hope you con't being you and saying what you need to say.
i get so grossed out by others dictating to others what to say and how to say it. and every bored with the attempted censorship. I am sure if anyone over steps their bounds we will get a nice tapping footie guy from sweet Dottie.

MOO!

and btw MAGIC CHICKEN DIET!

Originally Posted by Larcana

Did you notice there's a sort of rhythm to these posts that ask these similar questions and then seem to become offended when they're answered in a similar fashion?
I mean I'm just reading along and then boom....one of these shows up and on we go with the explanations. There are multiple posts updating the whole saga and yet they never read them.
But the ducks answer them every time and most of them get offended when the answer isn't sweet and soothing. Just my observation......
Lauren

Lauren I agree, maybe we should just refer them to blogs. ( not that they would necessarily read them either. MOO )

Originally Posted by Mayberryfan

Trying to scan some of this in order to keep my blood pressure down..

There has been and IS much work going on trying to connect Bonnie and Heidi. The fact that they both lived at the same time in Corona and we can safely assume they were both overweight at the time, they may've struck up a friendship. Hard to say!

Here are my theories...FWIW..on the possible Bonnie/Heidi connection

1. Bonnie Luper was a member at Kimkins who took money from Heidi in order to create a backup site for Kimkins which became the Magic Chicken Diet.

2. One of Bonnie's daughter(s) - we know she has at least one daughter Courtney - or DIL's, niece, or a good friend was a member at Kimkins and gave Bonnie the info she needed to start her own website.

3. Bonnie could be friends with a former Kimkins administrator who wanted to make some mega-bucks of her own and went into business with Bonnie.

4. Bonnie just heard about Kimkins, knew the potential for a diet website to take off, and decided to copy it on her own.

Again, these are just THEORIES... But, whatever the connection between Heidi and Bonnie, assuming there is one, will be found. The Tragic Chicken Diet is every bit as dangerous as Kimkins. Check Mariasol's blog for the menu and see for yourself.

I don't know how Bonnie can sleep at night. After all, the woman works in the insurance industry. Surely she MUST understand about liability.

LOVE the theorys!

mine is I think the MCD is purposely laying low until after the lawsuit. then she will change what needs to be changed to avoid lawsuit then be up and running full speed!$$$!



ps MOO=my opinion only

[jo2621]

When I came here I needed to piece things back together and I was welcomed. I was told to vent, tell stories and let go.

I had plenty of hugs and shoulders to lean on. I came into the "Fascination with Kimmer Thread" not the "Just the Facts About Kimmer Thread".

I was at KK. Lauren was there. Most of us on this thread were there. Lots of people not only just read Heidi's threads here at LCF but followed and believed her. We all have a right to be ticked. And we have a right to anger and suspicion. And yes even if it's not the way you'd like it expressed.

Of course, people will be suspicious when things like SingingLass' stunt had just been found right before little miss showed back up. Especially when little miss was on a K/E related post herself on November 2, 2007. Yes, as a matter of fact, we had nothing better to do for two minutes than scroll thru her posts. Calling people names, like "insane" and telling them to act like adults didn't help either.

My husband served 24 years in the military. He never was in combat or deployed. But he commanded troops that were at one time or another. He would have never told them that they didn't have the right to vent or feel what they felt or that they should go somewhere else to do it.

It's pretty darn sad that we are being told that we can't say what we feel or shouldn't joke around because someone might be looking for just the facts might have to sift though it. And this from people who have never been in the thick of it, really don't know and contribute nothing but criticism.

[This time]

Originally Posted by jo2621

When I came here I needed to piece things back together and I was welcomed. I was told to vent, tell stories and let go.

I had plenty of hugs and shoulders to lean on. I came into the "Fascination with Kimmer Thread" not the "Just the Facts About Kimmer Thread".

I was at KK. Lauren was there. Most of us on this thread were there. Lots of people not only just read Heidi's threads here at LCF but followed and believed her. We all have a right to be ticked. And we have a right to anger and suspicion. And yes even if it's not the way you'd like it expressed.

Of course, people will be suspicious when things like SingingLass' stunt had just been found right before little miss showed back up. Especially when little miss was on a K/E related post herself on November 2, 2007. Yes, as a matter of fact, we had nothing better to do for two minutes than scroll thru her posts. Calling people names, like "insane" and telling them to act like adults didn't help either.

My husband served 24 years in the military. He never was in combat or deployed. But he commanded troops that were at one time or another. He would have never told them that they didn't have the right to vent or feel what they felt or that they should go somewhere else to do it.

It's pretty darn sad that we are being told that we can't say what we feel or shouldn't joke around because someone might be looking for just the facts might have to sift though it. And this from people who have never been in the thick of it, really don't know and contribute nothing but criticism.

BRAVO!!!

[little_miss]

"i get so grossed out by others dictating to others what to say and how to say it. and every bored with the attempted censorship"

Funny how you mention that, dlslds, that is exactly what has been happening to me. I couldn't even ask a simple question, how much more censored can you get than that?

As far as me only coming to start trouble, I haven't even been allowed or welcomed to contribute yet, I have been merely trying to prove I am not some sort of mole. I know friendships get in the way of seeing things sometimes, I know there are bonds already here, so I get why things are being said in defense and trying to justify crappy behavior. Anyways I'm done with the negativity, anyone who wants to talk to me here is welcome, I am friendly and nice and willing to make new friends.