Why the fascination with Kimmer? #15

[justme08]

Originally Posted by NancyElle

I hear you!

While carefully following the discussion before posting my opinion, I have been thinking this Sam is closer to Heidi than just a seemingly "casual observer".

I detected a familiar writing style as well.....did anyone else??

fill us in, what are you suggesting?

[WildAngel6]

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[Sheridan]

snipped . . .

Originally Posted by samredman

When people are too close to something, it sometimes makes a discussion non-productive.

So does trying to have a discussion with someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.

Originally Posted by jeanessa

Nady, you are so wise! I am bored. Did I tell y'all I finished my grad school capstone project? Thesis over and done and I walk on June 6th? What am I going to do with all of my extra time now?

Well, it won't be talking to Sam anymore, that's for sure! More crocheting!

Didn't someone offer me patterns?

That's terrific, Jeanessa! Good for you!

Originally Posted by jo2621

As a mother of two daughters I find this highly offensive. As a mother of a son I find this highly offensive. As a woman and a wife and partner to my husband of 25 years I find this offensive.

Appears he has an affinity and an admiration for the kind of woman who can be bought and sold. Probably the only kind he's ever had.

Decent men don't have this mentality.


New York Times Article February 28, 2008

"Never Too Young For That First Pedicure"

Comments:

"Little girls are old enough for spa services when they can get little boys to pick up the tab. Buy a little girl a pedicure and you have only pampered her for a day. Teach her how to get a guy to pay for it and you have given her skills to keep her self-indulgent and luxuriant for a lifetime."— Sam Redman, Dallas, Texas

I'm offended he's a Texan!

Originally Posted by jo2621

yeah but the "how great I art" and political stuff and stuff about the internet yadda yadda...is one thing

but that is just wayyy too over the top...

just goes to show just what kind of person would attack us and come to the defense of Heidi

Birds of a feather.

[NancyElle]

Originally Posted by justme08

fill us in, what are you suggesting?

Did I hit a nerve? You tell me.....With one post, are you up to date with all of the copious rhetoric this subject involves?????

Just asking.......

[justme08]

Originally Posted by NancyElle

Did I hit a nerve? You tell me.....With one post, are you up to date with all of the copious rhetoric this subject involves?????

Just asking.......

One post, but I read quite a few pages before I posted. guess whatever you are talking about must be a board secret.

[BamaGal]

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[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by justme08

One post, but I read quite a few pages before I posted. guess whatever you are talking about must be a board secret.

not a board secret---just very complicated and I'm really too pooped to get into it

hopefully someone else can enlighten you

[samredman]

Maybe something fraudulent

Today, in my studies of this situation, I observed where I think Diaz is conducting her business in a fashion which, if it is not fraudulent, is very typical of a dishonest business enterprise. Any business which requires ongoing staffing and overhead (as actually all businesses do) cannot afford to offer a "lifetime" membership in good conscience. It is apparent that she is planning to fund these present members' future access and services with the revenues from future subscribers (or anticipating just abandoning them once the money stream dies down and she can abscond with the funds). I am truly surprised that she has not been advised by her attorneys to correct this glaring faulty practice, which, if not dishonest, is certainly representative of poor business planning. In my opinion, the offer and guarantee borders on fraudulent conduct. The mechanism of funding benefits to early participants from future revenues, in effect, is a Ponzi scheme. The "Ponzi" is a classic fraudulent investment mechanism, where early participants are paid dividends from the proceeds of new investors, enticed by the glowing reports of the early ones. Eventually, there are not enough new "suckers" to pay the dividends for the earlier investors and the scheme collapses. Giving lifetime memberships is simply an inappropriate business practice; lifetime service from a one-time small fee is virtually a prescription for eventual bankruptcy. Notice that she has a comparison of the value of her lifetime membership in relation to other programs, which require monthly or, at least periodic, fees (like South Beach, for example). The reason those others require those periodic payments and limited spans of membership, unless you renew, is because a functioning business cannot fund ongoing obligations (which, of course, will require income to maintain) from the fees of future clientele. Like the Ponzi scheme, once the membership reaches a certain level, there wouldn't be enough new clients to fund the operation and it would collapse. So, that's a rather ironic comparison chart... really displaying a tell-tale "too good to be true" promise.

So, as I have given other candid observations about the case, I don't hesitate to provide this one, which to me is really quite troublesome. My advice to her... would be to correct that misrepresentation right away, because that is something that might be a red flag to an attorney general looking into her business activities. I would recommend to the plaintiffs in the civil matter (or maybe this is only something for the Attorney General) that part of the settlement they should seek would be the establishment of an ongoing trust fund to assure a future revenue stream to pay the ongoing expenses.

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by jo2621

A couple years ago my late mother was seen by a Geriatric specialist. He told us that at her age (then 82) she was still pretty sharp but the old thing about people "regressing" as they age, especially men, was totally true. We really witnessed that with her in her last few months last year. She was like my terrier who gets a hold of something and will not "let it go".

I believe we are seeing a classic case of regression as I liken all of this to having an argument with my teen and 20's children.

They know everything, no matter what.

We don't know what we are talking about, even though we've actually lived through it.

Our facts are skewed and faulty and even if we produce concrete evidence and shove it under their noses, they'll still argue.

But just like my Scottie, if we ignore it and walk away, they'll drop it, let it go and look for a distraction somewhere else. 99% of this is a quest for attention.

Exactly, ITA.

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by daisyrat

I'm already in love with Cleo! It was hard, but I didn't eat the whole darn pizza. I saved two pieces for lunch tomorrow

Guys, you're all killing me talking about the pizza! I guess I'm going to have to make it this weekend.

[MissMerize]

Sam, Could you take a look at this blog post today?

Medusa: AS THE WORM TURNS...

Tell me if that doesn't smell like Fraud.

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by NancyElle

Good Lord! Are you freaking KIDDING ME! Who the heck IS this person??????

Almost reminds me of magicchickendiet.net ranting.

[Mayberryfan]

Just in case you guys don't know this already, Cheri is da bomb!

And, like Forrest Gump, that's all I'm gonna say about that.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

Kimkins Review: There are no words.....

Bama... great post.

I cannot believe that the University of Toronto permitted such an article in their school paper. Blatant discrimination. It's disgusting!

I won't get into all that can be said about this but want to point out that a very high percentage of college students deal with self-esteem issues, disordered relationships with food and/or are actively suffering with eating disorders. Add to that having to read the student paper and discover this bit of crap to inflict more damage on an already injured self image.

I think they've managed to not only hit the targeted prey, but will accomplish quite a bit of collateral damage as well.

I hope they get a ton of letters. I certainly will be writing them.

[MissMerize]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

Guys, you're all killing me talking about the pizza! I guess I'm going to have to make it this weekend.

I am still stuffed from yesterday

Probably going to have a "mc oopsie" as I saw it called somewhere. Too funny, I saw the term and knew exactly what it was.

[beachfires]

Originally Posted by samredman

Maybe something fraudulent

Today, in my studies of this situation, I observed where I think Diaz is conducting her business in a fashion which, if it is not fraudulent, is very typical of a dishonest business enterprise. Any business which requires ongoing staffing and overhead (as actually all businesses do) cannot afford to offer a "lifetime" membership in good conscience. It is apparent that she is planning to fund these present members' future access and services with the revenues from future subscribers (or anticipating just abandoning them once the money stream dies down and she can abscond with the funds). I am truly surprised that she has not been advised by her attorneys to correct this glaring faulty practice, which, if not dishonest, is certainly representative of poor business planning. In my opinion, the offer and guarantee borders on fraudulent conduct. The mechanism of funding benefits to early participants from future revenues, in effect, is a Ponzi scheme. The "Ponzi" is a classic fraudulent investment mechanism, where early participants are paid dividends from the proceeds of new investors, enticed by the glowing reports of the early ones. Eventually, there are not enough new "suckers" to pay the dividends for the earlier investors and the scheme collapses. Giving lifetime memberships is simply an inappropriate business practice; lifetime service from a one-time small fee is virtually a prescription for eventual bankruptcy. Notice that she has a comparison of the value of her lifetime membership in relation to other programs, which require monthly or, at least periodic, fees (like South Beach, for example). The reason those others require those periodic payments and limited spans of membership, unless you renew, is because a functioning business cannot fund ongoing obligations (which, of course, will require income to maintain) from the fees of future clientele. Like the Ponzi scheme, once the membership reaches a certain level, there wouldn't be enough new clients to fund the operation and it would collapse. So, that's a rather ironic comparison chart... really displaying a tell-tale "too good to be true" promise.

So, as I have given other candid observations about the case, I don't hesitate to provide this one, which to me is really quite troublesome. My advice to her... would be to correct that misrepresentation right away, because that is something that might be a red flag to an attorney general looking into her business activities. I would recommend to the plaintiffs in the civil matter (or maybe this is only something for the Attorney General) that part of the settlement they should seek would be the establishment of an ongoing trust fund to assure a future revenue stream to pay the ongoing expenses.

FRAUD? FRAUD??OMG FRAUD??WHY DIDN'T THE DUCKS OR THE ATTORNEY THINK OF THAT?? SHEESH...don't we feel stupid now!! FRAUD...who'da thunk it??

[Madam De Leon]

Originally Posted by beachfires

FRAUD? FRAUD??OMG FRAUD??WHY DIDN'T THE DUCKS OR THE ATTORNEY THINK OF THAT?? SHEESH...don't we feel stupid now!! FRAUD...who'da thunk it??

Ya think?!

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by NancyElle

I hear you!

While carefully following the discussion before posting my opinion, I have been thinking this Sam is closer to Heidi than just a seemingly "casual observer".

I detected a familiar writing style as well.....did anyone else??

Yes, I detected a familiar writing style. And let's not forget, she was a wannabe law student.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Yes, I detected a familiar writing style. And let's not forget, she was a wannabe law student.

It made me think about all the articles she wrote with different PEN names she used to use. Remember those WAY BACK in the fascination threads?

[Madam De Leon]

Originally Posted by Mayberryfan

Just in case you guys don't know this already, Cheri is da bomb!

And, like Forrest Gump, that's all I'm gonna say about that.

*wonders what Cheri did/found out this time*

Oh well, I"m sure whatever it was, it'll all come out in the end...

I have some ideas what it might have been though, since the comment was posted in this thread....

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by beachfires

FRAUD? FRAUD??OMG FRAUD??WHY DIDN'T THE DUCKS OR THE ATTORNEY THINK OF THAT?? SHEESH...don't we feel stupid now!! FRAUD...who'da thunk it??

[MissMerize]

Success! Bacon egg and cheese on an oopsie roll. Life just doesn't get much better.

[samredman]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

Sam, Could you take a look at this blog post today?

Medusa: AS THE WORM TURNS...

Tell me if that doesn't smell like Fraud.

Thanks, MissMerize for giving me that link. I had read that one previously, as well as all of the other anti-kimmer blogs, prior to making my other evaluations. At this point... although I'm still willing to read more and my mind is always open, the following is my current impression. I