Why the fascination with Kimmer? #14

[**Lola**]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Lola- I am going to say this and you can take it for whatever it is worth. You certainly show a healthy amount of optimism to take Heidi Diaz at face value, such as now, believing the photo and words of a person who has been shown to be a con, a manipulator and a liar. But then seem to show none of that same mind set when it comes to believing in statements made by people here.

You have already stated you don't know what "troll" the person was speaking of and yet you go on to use the terms rude, childish and dismissive, that implies that those using the word are just that- childish and dismissive.

At the very least I would think the benefit of the doubt you seem to show Ms. Diaz would be shown to others, if that was your outlook on life. But to me you are coming off as just someone wanting to champion Heidi and I have to ask you why?

You are right. I was wrong to assume that whomever you are speaking of is not actually a troll.

I will say that I was a bit sensitive to the issue as the last couple of times I posted here snide remarks regarding me being a troll or a 3 musketeer were made. And I've seen several other people called a troll when it seemed like they just had a different opinion than other people here.

So yes, my statement was perhaps made in haste but having read this thread for the last couple of months, the name "troll" is thrown around quite loosely to describe anyone who doesn't 100% toe the party line. And then there are the accusations about people's motives simply because they do not agree 100% with everything that is written here.

As for heidi, yes, I may be naive about her actually losing weight. But it seems to me that is her only option right now.

She can't pretend to lose weight any more. Photoshopping will only work for so long.

The only thing she can do is actually lose the weight, so I think that's what she is doing and I don't think she is doing Kimkins to lose it. Because I don't think Kimkins works unless you are willing to starve yourself.

It's a peripheral issue and doesn't matter though because her prior acts of fraud are well documented.

I just have to think she would have to be incredibly stupid to continue to lie about losing weight when she has to make court appearances, etc.

ETA: I missed your last line. Once again you prove my point. You can never take anything at face value.

Yes, I must be a troll who wants to "champion" Heidi Diaz.

Get real, please.

There is virtually no one on Heidi Diaz' side...yet, you all are quick to make people not be on your side by your continual rude manner and baseless accusations.

Let me say it very plainly, I have a problem with the continual references to "trolls" because some of you were quick to call me one....simply because I do not agree with the overly aggressive nature of some of the actions on this thread.

Being able to admit that Heidi may have lost weight does not dismiss the fact that she is a fraud. And that is the real issue.

Yet if someone thinks that she may have lost weight..therefore they are trying to "champion" her...and must have some ulterior motive.

Paranoia at its finest. It should be pretty obvious why most non-groupthinkers avoid this thread like the plague.

Honeybee...you have paid no price for all of your wild accusations. Last time I checked in, you were attacking one of your biggest fans (lowcarbmargi) with some bizarre unfounded accusations.

Wow, wow, wow.

[**Lola**]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

what they said.......

it's also ironic that the topic we are discussing before the diversion---the MCD, Heidi, and "other" connections

things that make you go hmmm...

I don't post here often because of posts like the one I quoted above.

It's either engage in the groupthink 100% or be accused of being a troll or someone with sinsiter motives.

Yeah okay. Carry on.

[cleochatra]

Heidi is losing weight fairly slowly. Maybe that's why she removed pictures?

It certainly couldn't be claimed that there's no faster diet out there with her slower progress. Atkins is faster than Kimkins, and it is a healthier plan.

[Mayberryfan]

Heidi's gone from the front page now.

Wow! Who knew Heidi could move that fast??!! And, is it just me or does Saphire look heavier in her after pic?

And, I'm sorry, but if Singinglass is at 195 lbs. I'll eat my Roll Tide baseball cap for dinner. NO WAY. Not in that picture.

[TerryC]

Originally Posted by Martina's Martini

Did you guys also know that Kimmer was on the Grassy Knoll too???/ Geeze, sweet Geezers...MM

This was the first post my Martina - how can this in any way be interpreted as:
"hey everyone I have some important information to pass along but I can't really get involved or contact the lawyer, so you can one of you help me get my information to the right person?"

A person with that information would contact one of the bloggers thru their comments, it's been done many times.

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by TerryC

This was the first post my Martina - how can this in any way be interpreted as:
"hey everyone I have some important information to pass along but I can't really get involved or contact the lawyer, so you can one of you help me get my information to the right person?"

A person with that information would contact one of the bloggers thru their comments, it's been done many times.

yep I said the same thing in a commnet on the freindly fire blog if one goes back to the actual MM posts you can see MM posts 2 times without any duck posting a reply here is the second post before Terry every posted a reply

Originally Posted by Martina's Martini

Did you know, one time...at BANNED Camp, I met a bunch of chicks livin in Los Angels that starred in a movie with Jimmy Snores, and they did a movie where they were eating La Vida Carb Chocolate Bars and......uh..... They were Medusas, and Marisols, and Youtbes of a fat Kimmer,, and uh....Some chick in Texas was...uh.....Geeze, FOR THE LOVE GOD PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....MM

I think the folk accussing DUCKS of friendly fire need to go reread the definition of friendly fire cause MM wasn't friendly and was firing at Ducks before any duck even posted.

[daisyrat]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

don't people who are diagnosed with diabeties and start eating better (initially) start losing weight from eating 6 times a day? most people I know lose weight. I don't think Heidi is losing it from HER diet, it think it is the diabetic meds (she can't afford now, yeah, right!) and eating more often, etc.

The meds would stabilize her blood sugar, but I don't think they'd make her lose weight. If anything, it's harder to lose when on typical meds for Type II diabetes (or insulin, for that matter) because they're designed to increase insulin or insulin sensitivity and therefore storage. If I had to bet, I'd bet she's skipping her meds altogether because now I know what her latest "look" reminds me of -- a brittle diabetic.

[Larcana]

I agree, 2b4ms, MM posted with what appeared to be chiding and anger. Not someone inquiring where to help. The ducks responded fairly well considering the confusing nature of the posts and the poor grammer (really irks me).
After that MM became this more friendly poster and left abruptly. I don't post much but I read it all.
Lauren

[MJR]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

yep I said the same thing in a commnet on the freindly fire blog if one goes back to the actual MM posts you can see MM posts 2 times without any duck posting a reply here is the second post before Terry every posted a reply


I think the folk accussing DUCKS of friendly fire need to go reread the definition of friendly fire cause MM wasn't friendly and was firing at Ducks before any duck even posted.

I have it defined on my blog. And yes - my take on it was much different than what is being said elsewhere.

[HoneyBee2]

Lola- "All my wild accusations" ...have been shown to be true in most cases. So let's keep it in perspective.

My interpretation of lowcarbmargi's comments, was not just a "bizarre unfounded accusation". It was based on her words, however, she said that my interpertation was incorrect and I apologized.

But if you think that by bringing up one err in judgment that I have made, will shame me into to not expressing my opinions or looking for answers in this matter, then you have made an mistake in judging my character as well.

Show me in all my, so called accusations and comments here, where I have ever called anyone a troll!

I mean since you want to misdirect the attention to me and avoid the fact that Heidi photoshopped her last picture before her first deposition or did you miss that too?

Just look at her photo that showed a side profile and the frontal, then compare that to the actual footage from the deposition. You will find her being caught in a lie is of no consequence to her then.

You think she has no choice but to lose the weight, then you forgot the option of trying to deceive, which Heidi takes every time.

[Nady]

Originally Posted by **Lola**

You are right. I was wrong to assume that whomever you are speaking of is not actually a troll.

I will say that I was a bit sensitive to the issue as the last couple of times I posted here snide remarks regarding me being a troll or a 3 musketeer were made. And I've seen several other people called a troll when it seemed like they just had a different opinion than other people here.

So yes, my statement was perhaps made in haste but having read this thread for the last couple of months, the name "troll" is thrown around quite loosely to describe anyone who doesn't 100% toe the party line. And then there are the accusations about people's motives simply because they do not agree 100% with everything that is written here.

As for heidi, yes, I may be naive about her actually losing weight. But it seems to me that is her only option right now.

She can't pretend to lose weight any more. Photoshopping will only work for so long.

The only thing she can do is actually lose the weight, so I think that's what she is doing and I don't think she is doing Kimkins to lose it. Because I don't think Kimkins works unless you are willing to starve yourself.

It's a peripheral issue and doesn't matter though because her prior acts of fraud are well documented.

I just have to think she would have to be incredibly stupid to continue to lie about losing weight when she has to make court appearances, etc.

ETA: I missed your last line. Once again you prove my point. You can never take anything at face value.

Yes, I must be a troll who wants to "champion" Heidi Diaz.

Get real, please.

There is virtually no one on Heidi Diaz' side...yet, you all are quick to make people not be on your side by your continual rude manner and baseless accusations.

Let me say it very plainly, I have a problem with the continual references to "trolls" because some of you were quick to call me one....simply because I do not agree with the overly aggressive nature of some of the actions on this thread.

Being able to admit that Heidi may have lost weight does not dismiss the fact that she is a fraud. And that is the real issue.

Yet if someone thinks that she may have lost weight..therefore they are trying to "champion" her...and must have some ulterior motive.

Paranoia at its finest. It should be pretty obvious why most non-groupthinkers avoid this thread like the plague.

Honeybee...you have paid no price for all of your wild accusations. Last time I checked in, you were attacking one of your biggest fans (lowcarbmargi) with some bizarre unfounded accusations.

Wow, wow, wow.

I wonder if you actually understand the purpose of these (WFK) threads? You may not realize that most of the 'haters' see this project as a *War on VLCDs and those who use fraud to sell them*. And anyone knows, you can't have dissention in the ranks. So YES~ if you're not of like mind on this subject, post your *poor Heidi, so misunderstood* thoughts on another thread ~ because here, you will be viewed with suspicion.

The only discussion appropriate here is how to bring the kimpire down, not if it should be done.

And for the record, every liar tells the truth once in a while if there is something in it for them~ that doesn't mean they've changed, only that they're using truth to manipulate for a change.
~~~N

[**Lola**]

Originally Posted by Nady

I wonder if you actually understand the purpose of these (WFK) threads? You may not realize that most of the 'haters' see this project as a *War on VLCDs and those who use fraud to sell them*. And anyone knows, you can't have dissention in the ranks. So YES~ if you're not of like mind on this subject, post your *poor Heidi, so misunderstood* thoughts on another thread ~ because here, you will be viewed with suspicion.

The only discussion appropriate here is how to bring the kimpire down, not if it should be done.

And for the record, every liar tells the truth once in a while if there is something in it for them~ that doesn't mean they've changed, only that they're using truth to manipulate for a change.
~~~N

Um, where did I say Heidi was misunderstood?

I simply said that it looks like she lost weight...and she does.

But so what? who cares? Whether she lost weight or not has nothing to do with "bringing the kimpire down"

As for the discussion about bringing the Kimpire down, it seems like 90% of the discussion on this thread is counterproductive to that effort. Much of it seems to be drama for drama's sake.

If this is how you get your daily dose of entertainment..fine...carry on.

But please know that many of you are not furthering your stated goal by attacking any and everyone who posts on this thread with something other than "rah rah rah...heidi's the devil"

Seriously, if you don't like what I have to say...that's fine. But at least actually read what I wrote before you attempt to tell me off.

Thanks

[**Lola**]

The only discussion appropriate here is how to bring the kimpire down, not if it should be done.

This is something that bears repeating....because much of the controversy on this thread has been due to NOT adhering to that stated goal.

Attacking anyone and everyone with a different opinion does not help you "bring the kimpire down"...

it just turns people who would want to help you off from helping you...

calling people with legitimate differing opinions trolls, making accusations about them, and attacking them...does not help bring the "kimpire" down.

Once again, there is virtually no one who is on Kimmers side. Yet, many people are now not on your collective sides because of the repeated nastiness and justifications for nastiness on this thread.

Oh well. Fine.

I don't post here often because these conversations are so ridiculous.

But I will post here whenever I feel like it because I will not be bullied into silence because a few of you do not like what I have to say.

every liar tells the truth once in a while if there is something in it for them

That was my point exactly.

Realizing that you all have backed Heidi into a corner, her only recourse is to now actually lose weight.

You all making an issue of whether she lost weight or not is peripheral...it doesnt matter.

I personally think that public humiliation and the loss of income are big enough motivators for most people to get off of their butt and lose weight. And I think Heidi is probably doing that.

If she knows that you all are on her like white on rice....I don't think she would continue to photoshop her weight losses. I think she would actually begin to lose weight.

But so what? It doesn't change any of the things she did in the past.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Larcana

I agree, 2b4ms, MM posted with what appeared to be chiding and anger. Not someone inquiring where to help. The ducks responded fairly well considering the confusing nature of the posts and the poor grammer (really irks me).
After that MM became this more friendly poster and left abruptly. I don't post much but I read it all.
Lauren

I agree Lauren that MM came in aggressively and that is why we all ask why? The odd grammar and the use of many details of this saga seemed a bit much.
I took it more as a way to garnish attention to the words that were posted later. Like, "Hey, look at me! Are you looking? Ok, I am leaving." I thought it was done in hopes that we would read the future blog.

Now, I am still struggling and undecided about the motives behind the blog.
-Was it all a diversion? Which leads us to a diversion from what? MCD, Bonnie? The court findings tomorrow.....

-Was it done truly to pass information for the case?

-Could it have been an attempt by Heidi's son's to help more get more information or to see what information "our side had"?

This is where I am not in total agreement with writing it off as meaningless. The action had reasoning behind it, but the question to me is what is the reasoning.

[2big4mysize]

the only problem with "it looks like Heidi lost weight" is we have her past lies fake pictures and photoshopped pics just 4 months ago to color our belief that those pics that were on page one earlier today are infact current pics she shot this week. there is no way to know if that is Heidi this week (Well there will be tomorrow in court if she shows to plead her cause) last yr, 5 yrs ago, 10 yrs ago or as has been speculated a photoshopped job.

[HoneyBee2]

No one is trying to bully you Lola. I could actually care less if you post here or not and normally don't comment on your posts. We can agree to disagree on how you view Heidi or this entire thread. That is not a big deal.

But if you look at when I have posted to you, it has been more when you have attempted to make incorrect comments about what someone has said or done. I only commented to you today when you tried to find fault with BarbaraB using the term troll, when you didn't even have knowledge of what she was referring to or the context. I didn't find that fair.

She was attempting to review the things we were uncovering at the time of the MM posts. So as you can see we were trying to get back to the facts, when you jumped all into the whole calling people a troll song and dance, so don't give me the whole "the FWK doesn't stay on topic" argument now.

Its not all about drama, but it can be belittled to drama and paranoia if you want to label it that way, then Fine....
I accepted my crown for the paranoid, verbose, drama Queen of the FWK thread.
Thank you.

ETA- BarbaraB- What was on you list or what was being discussed?

[Nady]

Originally Posted by **Lola**

Um, where did I say Heidi was misunderstood?

I simply said that it looks like she lost weight...and she does.

But so what? who cares? Whether she lost weight or not has nothing to do with "bringing the kimpire down"

As for the discussion about bringing the Kimpire down, it seems like 90% of the discussion on this thread is counterproductive to that effort. Much of it seems to be drama for drama's sake.

If this is how you get your daily dose of entertainment..fine...carry on.

But please know that many of you are not furthering your stated goal by attacking any and everyone who posts on this thread with something other than "rah rah rah...heidi's the devil"

Seriously, if you don't like what I have to say...that's fine. But at least actually read what I wrote before you attempt to tell me off.

Thanks

Originally Posted by **Lola**

This is something that bears repeating....because much of the controversy on this thread has been due to NOT adhering to that stated goal.

Attacking anyone and everyone with a different opinion does not help you "bring the kimpire down"...

it just turns people who would want to help you off from helping you...

calling people with legitimate differing opinions trolls, making accusations about them, and attacking them...does not help bring the "kimpire" down.

Once again, there is virtually no one who is on Kimmers side. Yet, many people are now not on your collective sides because of the repeated nastiness and justifications for nastiness on this thread.

Oh well. Fine.

I don't post here often because these conversations are so ridiculous.

But I will post here whenever I feel like it because I will not be bullied into silence because a few of you do not like what I have to say.




That was my point exactly.

Realizing that you all have backed Heidi into a corner, her only recourse is to now actually lose weight.

You all making an issue of whether she lost weight or not is peripheral...it doesnt matter.

I personally think that public humiliation and the loss of income are big enough motivators for most people to get off of their butt and lose weight. And I think Heidi is probably doing that.

If she knows that you all are on her like white on rice....I don't think she would continue to photoshop her weight losses. I think she would actually begin to lose weight.

But so what? It doesn't change any of the things she did in the past.

I have read your posts~ perhaps the difference between our points of view is how we perceive Heidi's behavior. Having been raised by a calculating, lying manipulator, I see her for what she is~ and you want see her as someone that has met her match and is backed into a corner. Believe me~ her type never stays in a corner for long.

Post away~ you'll continue to think everyone here is over the top with their actions, and I (and others raised similarly) will always know just how devious some people can be ~ especially when you think they're 'cornered' and out of options.
~~~N

[**Lola**]

Honeybee,

I wouldn't have commented on the term "troll" if it wasn't a name that I have been called by several of you and have seen you all call just about ANYONE who doesn't agree with you.

Anyway, please forgive me and get back to your work. I try not to spend too much time in this thread because it makes my head spin.

[Larcana]

I don't know if Heidi lost weight or not, if not it will show up in the next court appearance. I don't feel sorry for her or believe anything she writes. She is a liar and more than likely lying now. Whatever she is doing will be dealt with and hopefully soon.
I also, don't believe this thread acuses just anyone of trolling...only those that come in and are hostile like MM.
There is a difference of opinion and it is voiced regularly. That is healthy, it may not seem that way to everyone that reads the voicing.
There is a lot of speculation, but that isn't hurting anyone either. The speculation is what started this whole thing. I don't believe speculation is harmful. Usually if the speculation is off target, then there is an explanation offered.
Some people in this thread were treated rudely by Heidi and her admins and some had their health effected by the KK WOE and are more emotional than others.
Some of us were just duped.
Lauren

[**Lola**]

Originally Posted by Nady

I have read your posts~ perhaps the difference between our points of view is how we perceive Heidi's behavior. Having been raised by a calculating, lying manipulator, I see her for what she is~ and you want see her as someone that has met her match and is backed into a corner. Believe me~ her type never stays in a corner for long.

Post away~ you'll continue to think everyone here is over the top with their actions, and I (and others raised similarly) will always know just how devious some people can be ~ especially when you think they're 'cornered' and out of options.
~~~N

You may be right. Personally, I think Heidi's ship is sinking and her days are numbered.

Logically, to me, the only thing she can now do is try to lose weight and make her diet legitimate. It's like a psychological undoing...but the law doesn't work that way. She won't be forgiven for past misdeeds because she goes legit now.

So I think it's just a matter of time before the jig is up.

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

No one is trying to bully you Lola. I could actually care less if you post here or not and normally don't comment on your posts. We can agree to disagree on how you view Heidi or this entire thread. That is not a big deal.

But if you look at when I have posted to you, it has been more when you have attempted to make incorrect comments about what someone has said or done. I only commented to you today when you tried to find fault with BarbaraB using the term troll, when you didn't even have knowledge of what she was referring to or the context. I didn't find that fair.

She was attempting to review the things we were uncovering at the time of the MM posts. So as you can see we were trying to get back to the facts, when you jumped all into the whole calling people a troll song and dance, so don't give me the whole "the FWK doesn't stay on topic" argument now.

Its not all about drama, but it can be belittled to drama and paranoia if you want to label it that way, then Fine....
I accepted my crown for the paranoid, verbose, drama Queen of the FWK thread.
Thank you.

ETA- BarbaraB- What was on you list or what was being discussed?

by they way y'all.....did I call it or what..... right on time too....