Why the fascination with Kimmer? #13

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by lowcarbmargi

Her explanation post changed. It is now called "The Kimkins Debate" (as if there's a debate that it's a complete FRAUD) and it's been edited. Thanks Cheryl for archiving the original here.

I love that the success stories were compilations from another site. What a crock. How many old success stories were compiled to create blind bambi? She's unreal.

Now that there's no denying the facts, I don't understand how everyone at that site isn't absolutely disgusted by the lies, the fraud, the bannings, and all the back-peddling bs. How can you allow someone to do this to you and then give them the opportunity to continue to do it to you just with a different twist? Forget the health dangers and weight loss and put some other service in the place of KK and think about it. If someone else, in some other aspect of your life, conned you, took your money, denied the fraud upside down and sideways and then gave you as lame an explanation as this when (and only when) there was no denying what they'd done, who they were, and the law was breathing down their necks ... what would you do? I certainly wouldn't be lining up for more. How does someone justify all that to themselves? I don't get it.
Ps. What part was edited? I didn't catch that.

[WildAngel6]

The Science of Wearing Red Diary of a Mad Housewife

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by OhYeahBabe

What forums are people not welcome on? Except for people who have been banned for violating TOS (rather, the law), everyone can go anywhere they like and be welcomed. Not this thread, but this thread doesn't represent the whole forum. [Edited to clarify - I meant this thread isn't the optimal place to choose for looking for weight loss support specifically - it's not really a weight loss thread. I didn't mean people are not welcome here!]

I don't understand these people planting the idea that people aren't welcomed at other places.

I think he means TT and forgot to say "person" instead of "people."

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by wifezilla

Who isn't welcomed on other forums????

LOL

Hell, they let ME in...it's not like they have some ridiculously high standards or something....LOLOLOLOLOL


P.S. Purple crayon is right

Well, we do have some standards. I mean, we don't like frauds and lying, liars that lie. I'm just say'n...

[mrsmenopausal]

bolding and making the font huge is mine.

Originally Posted by lowcarbmargi

(I'm sorry, I just don't buy the whole "political diet refugee" implication she's trying to plant. Besides, if she felt really bad for the REAL refugees she wouldn't be charging twenty bucks a pop for taking them "under her wing." )

EXACTLY!!!

[lowcarbmargi]

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

I love that the success stories were compilations from another site. What a crock. How many old success stories were compiled to create blind bambi? She's unreal.

Now that there's no denying the facts, I don't understand how everyone at that site isn't absolutely disgusted by the lies, the fraud, the bannings, and all back-peddling bs. How can you allow someone to do this to you and then give them the opportunity to continue to do it to you just with a different twist? Forget the health dangers and weight loss and put some other service in the place of KK and think about it. If someone else, in some other aspect of your life, conned you, took your money, denied the fraud upside down and sideways and then gave you as lame an explanation as this when (and only when) there was no denying what they'd done, who they were, and the law was breathing down their necks ... what would you do? I certainly wouldn't be lining up for more. How does someone justify all that to themselves? I don't get it.
Ps. What part was edited? I didn't catch that.

ITA! Yes, Cheryl did post the current version, I just got them mixed up.

[BamaGal]

It's nekkid in my area mayberryfan---but I like the other interpretations too



It was BRIAN who asked Jimmy to come on over to their forum---hoping to give them a boost---bet they wish they hadn't done that now....

TT is maintaining on EFGT---and adding oatmeal of all things---

They all still do too much protein and not enough fat----then wonder why they aren't losing....

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by lowcarbmargi

ITA! Yes, Cheryl did post the current version, I just got them mixed up.

lol
No problem. Sometimes it's hard to distinguish ... shall I use a current description? ... the old doo doo, from the new.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

It was BRIAN who asked Jimmy to come on over to their forum---hoping to give them a boost---bet they wish they hadn't done that now....

I bet, too. Has Jimmy had anything to say about it at his site?

[wifezilla]

TT is maintaining on EFGT---and adding oatmeal of all things---

Holy Guacamole! OATMEAL is one of THE WORST things you can eat! It spikes your blood sugar wicked high, then makes it plummet even lower than breakfast cereal.

(of course, if TT had bothered to pay for the updated Barry Groves book, she would have read the breakfast study and would have known this)

Good lord. Giving another perfectly good LC woe a bad name.

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by lowcarbmargi

It would make sense that Jimmy wouldn't blog about her site to save giving her any press at all.

Sheesh... just thinking about the underhanded reasons she gave Jimmy a "free membership" is making my head hurt. I wonder if she's been this manipulative since she was born or if Kimmer gave her free how-to classes on exploiting others.

I got to disagree with you there. Jimmy when he first came to the low carb internet world contacted other sites and such to help promote his site. that is how the internet works. new sites try to hook up with established sites to help them grow. I'm sure there are low carb sites contacting LCF and Netrition.com all the time trying to join up with them.

Many of the bloggers did the same thing like forming the say no ring to help our message about the dangers of kimkin.com and kimmer get out.

it was a smart move on TT part to invite all the players to her site from Jimmy to anybody else having a low carb forum. Many of us have more then one site we use and we found out about the other site cause somebody we respected in the low carb community told us about it either in a PM, email, chat, blog post, or board post. The low carb forums community has always grown by word of mouth till Kimkins.com came along.

ETA missed the post about it was Brian not TT that ask Jimmy to come to camp

[OhYeahBabe]

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

I love that the success stories were compilations from another site. What a crock. How many old success stories were compiled to create blind bambi? She's unreal.

She was Barb, who LIved iN Delaware, with 2 Boys And Many BIrds. See, easy to create BLIND BAMBI, and it's all the truth.

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

Now that there's no denying the facts, I don't understand how everyone at that site isn't absolutely disgusted by the lies, the fraud, the bannings, and all the back-peddling bs. How can you allow someone to do this to you and then give them the opportunity to continue to do it to you just with a different twist? Forget the health dangers and weight loss and put some other service in the place of KK and think about it. If someone else, in some other aspect of your life, conned you, took your money, denied the fraud upside down and sideways and then gave you as lame an explanation as this when (and only when) there was no denying what they'd done, who they were, and the law was breathing down their necks ... what would you do? I certainly wouldn't be lining up for more. How does someone justify all that to themselves? I don't get it.
Ps. What part was edited? I didn't catch that.

I suppose all they see is the weight loss. If they keep to themselves and lose weight, I guess principles don't matter. They've already paid their money, they aren't out anything if they stay, they don't exactly gain anything if they leave, they have friends around them, and it takes effort to move. (Which is why I still live in my tiny starter house!) I guess they don't see (care?) that by staying, they give the illusion that the place is viable, essentially endorsing the fraud.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by OhYeahBabe

She was Barb, who LIved iN Delaware, with 2 Boys And Many BIrds. See, easy to create BLIND BAMBI, and it's all the truth.

It all makes perfect sense now.

Originally Posted by OhYeahBabe

I suppose all they see is the weight loss. If they keep to themselves and lose weight, I guess principles don't matter. They've already paid their money, they aren't out anything if they stay, they don't exactly gain anything if they leave, they have friends around them, and it takes effort to move. (Which is why I still live in my tiny starter house!) I guess they don't see (care?) that by staying, they give the illusion that the place is viable, essentially endorsing the fraud.

But there are some there that support her, think the fraud is no big deal. I don't understand that at all. I can see the support/friend thing but why not take your group somewhere else and continue on?

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

bolding and making the font huge is mine.

EXACTLY!!!

Unfortunately, TT's motivation was to avoid the lawsuit. It's a straight forth CYA situation. She has been blind for so long. Still is. Still won't bash KK's diet.

She thought she could wind Jimmy around her fingers by giving him a complementary account, hoping he would promote her website. I think she wasn't thinking clearly when she decided to start charging for access. Didn't she learn this from the KK fiasco? There are so many FREE places for support.

She's developing the same modes of operation that KK uses. Did she take classes? I was quite prepared to give TT the benefit of the doubt and, unfortunately, every time she makes a move, she kills that inclination. Her first response to the dietsinreview post from Kimmer was to disbelieve that Heidi wrote it. I think she can actually THANK one or more members of LCF for setting her straight and pointing out the entrapment Heidi had in mind.

Her posts here and at the camp are practically fanatical. If a diet doesn't work for her in a week or so, she hops onto another one. This seems NOT to suggest a clear-thinking, analytical person. I mean, c'mon, many of you got scammed by Kimmer. But how long did you go on and on, when all evidence showed the fraud? Even as late as last week, she would not say anything against Heidi. Until she understood [once again] that it could affect her in the lawsuit.

I'm tired just watching her responses to everything. <sigh> I just wish her motivations were more than trying to escape a lawsuit and being upset about losing her paycheck. I really wanted to believe she would do the right thing just to do the right thing. Sadly, that does not seem to be so.

[lowcarbmargi]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

I got to disagree with you there. Jimmy when he first came to the low carb internet world contacted other sites and such to help promote his site. that us how the internet works. new sites try to hook up with established sites to help them grow. I'm sure there are low carb sites contacting LCF and Netrition.com all the time trying to join up with them.

Many of the bloggers did the same thing like forming the say no ring to help our message about the dangers of kimkin.com and kimmer get out.

it was a smart move on TT part to invite all the players to her site from Jimmy to anybody else having a low carb forum. Many of us have more then one site we use and we found out about the other site cause somebody we respected in the low carb community told us about it either in a PM, email, chat, blog post, or board post. The low carb forums community has always grown by word of mouth till Kimkins.com came along.

It's not networking I have a problem with, it's the manipulative guilt-tripping attempt at censorship over a "free" membership (that really isn't free if it comes with late-breaking conditions never discussed beforehand).

If she wants to network her site, then she needs to find a way to relate to people fairly. IE not doing pre-emptive character strikes against reviewers she invited (is that how she treats guests in her own home?), and not attempting to smother any kind of criticism that might come her way.

Maybe she should hire a PR director.

[lowcarbmargi]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

She's developing the same modes of operation that KK uses. Did she take classes?

Yes, inquiring minds want to know!

[Tooter]

TT is stubborn and can not admit she is wrong. How many times and how many warnings did we give her here? Did she ever heed them? No, there was no way she would ever admit she was wrong. It's an ego thing. Just like the fact that she switches eating plans all the time. She can't admit that either.

Even after she left Kimkins she never took responsibility for the things she did, nor the bannings she did. She just pointed the fingers elsewhere. That's why people have a problem with her.

That's why she has such a hatred for LCF.

She and Heidi have alot in common.

She's trying to dance on the fence, just to cover her own butt. Her ego and
stubbornness might just take her down with the Sinking SS Kimtanic.

At least, that's what Heidi is betting on. She played her well....We warned her again as to what was really going on and STILL she puts the blame on LCF.

[lowcarbmargi]

Tooter thanks for giving us all a quick low down I haven't even been observing her for very long (since her TV debut) but yes I agree that she avoids accountability at every turn.

[Cutie]

Originally Posted by Tooter

TT is stubborn and can not admit she is wrong. How many times and how many warnings did we give her here? Did she ever heed them? No, there was no way she would ever admit she was wrong. It's an ego thing. Just like the fact that she switches eating plans all the time. She can't admit that either.

Even after she left Kimkins she never took responsibility for the things she did, nor the bannings she did. She just pointed the fingers elsewhere. That's why people have a problem with her.

That's why she has such a hatred for LCF.

She and Heidi have alot in common.

She's trying to dance on the fence, just to cover her own butt. Her ego and
stubbornness might just take her down with the Sinking SS Kimtanic.

At least, that's what Heidi is betting on. She played her well....We warned her again as to what was really going on and STILL she puts the blame on LCF.

it's all very sad & disappointing, really. i was one of the ones who wanted her to do the right thing because it was the right thing to do...not just because of money and/or legal self-preservation.

[ixtapacheryl]

I was just thinking (I know that's dangerous).... we were quite clear here on LCF about welcoming the KK members with open arms. TT is the one that said her people weren't welcomed on any other site and she wanted to provide a "safe friendly" site for them and charge them for that. * What the heck is she talking about? She's the one that is creating this big "divide" between other LC sites. I'm sure other forums would have accepted them into the fold.

*She should have allowed all prior KK members free access and charged outsiders a fee (who weren't KK members). That would have gone a long way in proving she was concerned for their wellbeing.

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by droppin

I am so confused what is Kimmers?

Droppin. You have so much fun ahead of you!! Pull up a computer chair and start back on #1 of the What's the Fascination with Kimmer

You do need to warn your family and any pets that you will be glued to the computer for days on end so they will need to get their own meals and stuff....

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

Unfortunately, TT's motivation was to avoid the lawsuit. It's a straight forth CYA situation. She has been blind for so long. Still is. Still won't bash KK's diet.

She thought she could wind Jimmy around her fingers by giving him a complementary account, hoping he would promote her website. I think she wasn't thinking clearly when she decided to start charging for access. Didn't she learn this from the KK fiasco? There are so many FREE places for support.

She's developing the same modes of operation that KK uses. Did she take classes? I was quite prepared to give TT the benefit of the doubt and, unfortunately, every time she makes a move, she kills that inclination. Her first response to the dietsinreview post from Kimmer was to disbelieve that Heidi wrote it. I think she can actually THANK one or more members of LCF for setting her straight and pointing out the entrapment Heidi had in mind.

Her posts here and at the camp are practically fanatical. If a diet doesn't work for her in a week or so, she hops onto another one. This seems NOT to suggest a clear-thinking, analytical person. I mean, c'mon, many of you got scammed by Kimmer. But how long did you go on and on, when all evidence showed the fraud? Even as la