Why the fascination with Kimmer? #13

[Princess Dieter]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Anyway, Bill - he is home. They say that he fell asleep at his computer and had a sleep apnea episode. So far as why he ran, I haven't heard, but will ask my sister if they addressed this part. I'm guessing that he woke up and realized he was in trouble and was running to get help. But that could all just be my fantasy.

Anyway, they sent him home with oxygen to use while he sleeps and the first night home he slept almost 18 hours straight through. I've talked to him a couple of times now and he says he feels good. They will be doing a sleep study soon.
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I'm glad he's on the CPAP. It totally helped my BIL, who used to fall asleep DRIVING because of his apnea. Also his son. And really, I should have one, but have trained myself to sleep on my side or half-stomach so that I can breathe. If I sleep on my back, the apnea hits. It's improved with some weight loss, and I hope will continue to improve as I lose. I just don't want to do a sleep study away from home. I know, it's a semi-agoraphobic thing. I'd happily take the machine, but I don't wanna be wired up and sleep in a strange bed. So, the side-sleep. (I used to ALWAYS sleep on my back, since I was young, and I miss it, I admit.)

BTW, I can totally believe Bill went running. If having his airways collapse woke him up, the panic can do that. I remember having my trachea close up when I was sitting alone on the couch, and I ran to the door, cause I was going to go outside to find help (couldn't talk, was in a panic). I collapse right in front of the door, in my head praying God to forgive my sins and accept my soul. Just then, my airways reopened, and I had the shakes big time.

So, he could easily have had a panic response, rushing to get someone to help when he couldn't breathe.

I'm glad he's improved and has treatment now.

And I'm really so sorry to hear Christin had a relapse. The last report was so positive. God bless her, keep her, heal her, and have her home very soon.

[Princess Dieter]

Sorry to be a pain, but I'm doing a Kimkins update post on my blog, and I need the link to the legal records. Can someone PM it to me or post it? Thanks.

[wifezilla]

I really did try for years and years to eat a "healthy" diet full of whole grains - all it did was make me hungry, sap my energy, make me sleepy, and cause me to gain massive quantities of weight.

Same here!

As for the breakfast study, Barry Groves mentions it in Natural Health & Weight Loss on Page 40. The data is from Orent-Keiles E, Hallman L F. The Breakfast Meal in Relation to Blood Sugar Values. US Department of Agriculture Circular No. 827 (1949).

The results of this study totally matched my personal experience.

[Cutie]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

This little guy felt left out so I added him ...he was born to dance.

he can be the choreographer

[mrsadm]

Originally Posted by Mayberryfan

Someone with website expertise help me out here...does a membership counter use lots of bandwith? (I suspect it doesn't!)

I'm asking because one of the very, very few exchanges I had with "the Kimmer" herself was when I asked why her membership and #of people online counter vanished. She claimed it was eating up too much bandwith.

I think she was trying to keep the explosive growth of her site under wraps so as to fly under the radar of the hater detectives a bit.

Counters don't use bandwidth at all. A member counter is probably a cgi that runs on the server in the background, and on the web site it shows a picture of the number which is very small in kb. It's also easy to completely fake a counter.

Edited to add: I can't believe I'm reading all these threads! It's kinda like watching a soap opera....

[Cutie]

Originally Posted by Princess Dieter

Sorry to be a pain, but I'm doing a Kimkins update post on my blog, and I need the link to the legal records. Can someone PM it to me or post it? Thanks.

http://75.28.114.12/OpenAccess/civil...msearch=Y&dsn=

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by lowcarbmargi

ITA, especially about the part of so-called "experts" who have been giving out bad advice for years.

I also agree that people who are nonpros do have the right to set up information that has worked for them, pay or for free. So long as the advice isn't unwanted or presumptively dictates to others that "their way is the only way" to health and happiness. Heck, it appears that even doctors debate the benefits of certain diets. And if the doctors don't know for sure, then a nonpro should definitely not assume that they are any closer to finding the "diet to end all diets." These are just my personal feelings, I admit, I've got issues!

I think people should be able to sell their screwy diets as well. Just put them in a form that people can evaluate them - or at least have an idea of what they are letting themselves in for - first - before they plunk down their nonrefundable $70. That's the part that kills me. For a lot of folks, $70 is a LOT of money. I'd be SO ticked off to pay that and THEN find out that I was supposed to eat chicken and sugar free jello for almost every meal. I would SO feel ripped off.

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by lowcarbmargi

Thanks for bringing this up, it does shed some light about the charging issue. Although, I still wonder why Pokey didn't set up a free BBS, instead she partnered up with profit-minded people.

I think it was because they wanted to create a place where people wouldn't "harass" them - people like the Ducks. Jimmy is an example of what they don't want. You know - someone who makes sense and tells the truth. Anyway, they figure people won't pay for the priviledge - and if they do they will ban them and for SURE they won't pay a second time for the priviledge! So, they see the money as a gate-keeper. They aren't marketing anything there so it can't be for profit, actually. Unless, of course, they are just bidding their time and think they are going to have 40,000 new members any day now ...

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Christin update:

It seems that she had a very long of nausea, dry heaves and alot of pain. There is still some swelling in the brain, which they said is normal for this type of injury.

Then her mom wrote:

We are now in a room and she is stable. She just needs a little more healing.

Keep praying, ladies and gents.

Absolutely will ....

[MissMerize]

Kimmer joined here 11/14/2000 according to her profile, but I'm trying to find her first post. Is it still here? The earliest I could find was 11/24/2003.

Thanks.

[wifezilla]

I think people should be able to sell their screwy diets as well. Just put them in a form that people can evaluate them - or at least have an idea of what they are letting themselves in for - first - before they plunk down their nonrefundable $70. That's the part that kills me.

Yup! Totally agree!

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Thanks for asking! I had to step back away from the computer for a bit. I really do need to cut my time - Eli and I start school again on Monday

Anyway, Bill - he is home. They say that he fell asleep at his computer and had a sleep apnea episode. So far as why he ran, I haven't heard, but will ask my sister if they addressed this part. I'm guessing that he woke up and realized he was in trouble and was running to get help. But that could all just be my fantasy.

Anyway, they sent him home with oxygen to use while he sleeps and the first night home he slept almost 18 hours straight through. I've talked to him a couple of times now and he says he feels good. They will be doing a sleep study soon.

I also haven't asked Karen if his memory has recovered.

Thanks, so very much, all of you for praying and supporting my family through this. I will never forget your compassion.

I'm glad to hear he's okay, and that they will continue to study him.

[gibster]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

I think setting it up like you are a visitor to someone's camp and the juvenile theme suits those who want to be *told* what to do and also suits those who want people to look up to them (Tippy that would be you).

I admit I joined Camp Carb-awry during the free period - just to be nosy. Thank goodness, because I would never pay for something like that - again! Ha!

Anyway, I agree, it all sounds so juvenile. And there is no guidance as far as I can tell. I joined a challenge started by SWSNBN - guess what - Cycling. I thought the purpose of a challenge was to set up rules and guidelines for checking in regularly - be it weight loss, daily food reports, etc. Also, most challenges should have a time span. There is nothing like that in the challenge thread. No structure. What's a newbie to do???? A challenge can be started by anyone, but if the head of the site sets it up, I'd expect some structure.

And I might ust have to start shooting butterflies for recreation! Sheeeesshhhh!

[RockyMtnAngelEyes]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

Kimmer joined here 11/14/2000 according to her profile, but I'm trying to find her first post. Is it still here? The earliest I could find was 11/24/2003.

Thanks.

There was a board re vamp/move, or something, way back, and all posts were lost or didn't make the move, or something... It's early, my brain hasn't engaged yet, so that's why I'm giving such a great explaination... Anyway, the old posts from the board, are no more...

[lowcarbmargi]

Originally Posted by Sheridan

I love this! Ketosis, your avi rocks too!

[lowcarbmargi]

Originally Posted by AllisonB

Looks like Brandon is looking for work:

Kaplar. - Bursting Force

Well, People call me Rezeyu; but alot of my non-digital friends call me Rez.

Actually, I hate when people call me Rez; I'm not sure why. there's just something annoying about hearing it over and over at Blockbuster or some other mundane location.


Anyways, I'm a freelance Graphic Designer and Programmer. I do most contracts through RentaCoder. I'm currently enrolled in Graphics technology courses at the local community college (Yeah, community, I'm not a good student, whatever.) I own a small art site that nobody really cares about, and I go all the graphical UI and sprite work for my games.

On that note, I'm a programmer. Not an amazing one, but average. I know primarily TI-BASIC and VB6, with slight knowledge of AHK and PHP. I'm currently in development of a RP-Encouraged ORPG.

Gaming wise, Xbox 360 is the ****. I hate Sony with the divine passion of hell. No, seriously. I play on Xbox live, and my gamertag is... dundundun.. Rezeyu. I mostly play shooters, and strategy games. I also generally don't play PC games, because, I just don't. Get over it.

MUSIC! I love music, hard, in the face. I listen to it almost at all times, and my subwoofer makes it kick ass. I never listen to music quietly. Favorite Bands are Cradle of Filth, Slipknot, KoRn, Marilyn Manson, Mushroomhead, Static-X, and Atreyu.

My general rule of thumb is Lyrics > Everything. If I can't understand it, or it makes no sense (Like most garage band crap..) I won't like it. Occasionally there is a song or two I enjoy just because of how it sounds, but that's rare.


Furthermore, I have a morbid obsession with zombies, actively developed a zombie ORPG source, own various books, and killed over 53k zombies in 2 days on Dead Rising. I've even gone so far as to watch every special feature on the Living Dead series so many times I have them mostly memorized.

Oh, and I completely redesigned my Myspace to a zombie theme.

That's all for now I guess.

I'm not sure if he's trying to sound cool or trendy or what... but he really just comes off as a disdainful, "look at me aren't I so cool, dark and satanic" snot nosed brat.

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by wifezilla

Same here!

As for the breakfast study, Barry Groves mentions it in Natural Health & Weight Loss on Page 40. The data is from Orent-Keiles E, Hallman L F. The Breakfast Meal in Relation to Blood Sugar Values. US Department of Agriculture Circular No. 827 (1949).

The results of this study totally matched my personal experience.

I can't find my link right now--but I posted it ages ago on a WLS board I belong to--they were doing research about regains after WLS---and one thing that was tested was what they ate for breakfast and their hunger response the rest of the day---if it was a high carb bfst like oatmeal or bagels---they ate more throughout the entire day---than when they ate a protein/fat based bfst

Originally Posted by lowcarbmargi

I'm not sure if he's trying to sound cool or trendy or what... but he really just comes off as a disdainful, "look at me aren't I so cool, dark and satanic" snot nosed brat.

the apple don't fall far from the tree does it.....

[WildAngel6]

Kids Say The Darnedest Things…

[lowcarbmargi]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

I can't answer that for you. I do know when i was approached by some folk wanting to start a for fee site back in 2004 My first question was why would anybody pay me for advice when they can get it all for free on the site we were currently posting on? I could understand accepting donations to pay for server costs and stuff but the low carb community has thrived on paying the debt we all owe to those low carbers who came before us and helped us by paying it forward and helping those who come after us. I was really floored Kimmer was charging as much as she was and folk were really shelling out money for it. Greed has done some strange things and impacted the low carb community as a whole.

ITA! I think the slogan of the Naked Mole Rat Awards - Avaritia Facit Bardus
"Greed Makes You Stupid" sums it up nicely. I'm not against people making money online, but I do believe in paying it forward as you put it.

[WildAngel6]

When is a diet not a diet ?

[lowcarbmargi]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

I think people should be able to sell their screwy diets as well. Just put them in a form that people can evaluate them - or at least have an idea of what they are letting themselves in for - first - before they plunk down their nonrefundable $70. That's the part that kills me. For a lot of folks, $70 is a LOT of money. I'd be SO ticked off to pay that and THEN find out that I was supposed to eat chicken and sugar free jello for almost every meal. I would SO feel ripped off.

Oh definitely! I agree, the 70$ thing ticks me off, too. Charging that much is ridiculous, especially when people are worried about buy clothes or shoes for their kids. That's the one thing KK has over MCD - KK at least offers a three day sample menu. But considering the repetitive nature of the MCD diet, giving out a three day sample menu would give the whole plan away.

[Nady]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

Kimmer joined here 11/14/2000 according to her profile, but I'm trying to find her first post. Is it still here? The earliest I could find was 11/24/2003.

Thanks.

There is this one~ 30 DAY DETOX CHALLENGE ~
I don't know why her name was removed, but she started this thread/challenge and if you read a few posts, you'll see that it's Kimmer.

At the time, I actually thought she was (water) fasting

ETA~ I found a post if mine on that thread~30 DAY DETOX CHALLENGE I guess K and I would never have seen eye to eye on either the fasting or the VLCD~

~~~N

[lowcarbmargi]

Originally Posted by Madam De Leon

I agree - I'm hypoglycemic too, and any starchy grain will do that to me, in all but the smallest quantities. (I can eat a slice or two of homemade low carb bread with no ill effect - each slice would have less than 1/4 tsp. of oat flour, and no other starchy ingredients)

I really did try for years and years to eat a "healthy" diet full of whole grains - all it did was make me hungry, sap my energy, make me sleepy, and cause me to gain massive quantities of weight.

Yep, me too. I was put on weight watchers, deal a meal, Susan Powder's Stop the Insanity (one of the worst!), Slim Fast, and the rice diet and that was all before high school. I was constantly hungry on all of them, with exception to deal a meal which was strangely more tolerable than the rest. I had no energy, no motivation, and got depressed very easily. My moods were already wigged out because of adolescence, and I was on a high carb diet on top of that! Of course I was blamed for the scale not going down, for either being lazy or gluttonous. Yeah, nice things to say to a kid that's 13 years old.

EDIT - I'm not sure if I wanted to count the grapefruit diet in, because it consisted of two days with me refusing to eat grapefruit. I lost about ten pounds, all water weight, until my mom finally relented and let me go back on deal a meal. Figures.

Another vivid memory I have is my godmother sitting me down in front of a very small plate that had half a tuna fish sandwich (fat free mayo on white bread, little lettuce) and exactly ten plain flavored potato chips.

Ok glad I got that off my chest.