Why the fascination with Kimmer? #12

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Well, he's clearly not there to be SWSNBN's lap dog.

Heheh, much to her consternation, no doubt

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by Nady

I'm not diabetic, so I could have this wrong, but I seem to remember a discussion not too long ago about needing to stay within certain amounts of protein to avoid increasing the dosage of insulin~ that it's not just the carbs~ it's also excess protein that affects insulin needs.

Maybe someone can come in and clarify~ if I'm correct on this, it just makes KK all the more dangerous for diabetics~ eating too much protein in an effort to up calories without adding fat or carbs could really mess up someone's blood sugar!
~~~N

It’s important to eat plenty of protein while on a low-carbohydrate diet so that the dietary protein can be converted into blood sugar as needed. The author of the bodybuilding piece cautions against consuming too much protein because he believes any excess protein will be converted to fat, which is really stretching the biochemistry. Nature has designed our biochemistry to be efficient. The conversion of protein to fat, although possible, is extremely inefficient, and any excess energy from the excess protein would likely be more than used up in the conversion. As a consequence, dietary protein turning to fat is not something we really need to worry about. Dietary protein will convert to sugar, however, so that dietary protein, like dietary carbohydrate, is protein sparing.

Protein Sparing Effect article, Eades

[Nady]

Originally Posted by Locarb4me

Protein Sparing Effect article, Eades

How does that apply to diabetics? And again, I am not diabetic and also not a weight lifter~ so what happens to that excess protein converted to glucose for people like me? Seems counterproductive to follow a low carb diet only to overeat protein and then still have to deal with (converted) blood glucose~ it must go somewhere~
~~~N

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

I'm sorry to all you ducks with a dial-up connection. So, I've trimmed my duck down in size. I love him! And he is sitting on our new dining room baker's rack piece, which was just delivered on Dec. 28!

Barbara---the duck is nice----but hey that pottery is awesome---my mom collects pottery like that----is it local to you---can you order it online--her B'day is next month

Originally Posted by MissMerize

Here's a new one:

Poco haunt us.

Originally Posted by lowcarbmargi

In my experience, when I eat too much protein I not only stall I start getting food cravings again. I've read that it's because the extra protein converts to glucose, spiking insulin, ect - even though I am no doctor this makes sense. I have just found that the ketogenic way of eating (high fat/mod protein/low carb) works tons better for me.

you are right too much protein does convert to sugar....

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Knock on wood, so far I have had no kidney problems. The thing I have always wondered, though, is how do you tell if they are in decline?

a quick test is just a urine sample---if damage is done to the kidneys---you will actually spill protein in your urine....then they send you to a nephrologists for further tests... too many years uncontrolled diabetes had me going through that....

the link I posted about the protein stuff I found on Jenny's site---

Jenny's Low Carb Facts and Figures

if you don't know here she is a powerful advocate for diabetics---she has some great info on her diabetic site too

What They Don't Tell You About Diabetes

[dabearslady]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

Here's a new one:

Poco haunt us.

I wish I had your brain!!

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by Nady

How does that apply to diabetics? And again, I am not diabetic and also not a weight lifter~ so what happens to that excess protein converted to glucose for people like me? Seems counterproductive to follow a low carb diet only to overeat protein and then still have to deal with (converted) blood glucose~ it must go somewhere~
~~~N

you end up burning the glucose as fuel instead of ketones---and the excess is stored as fat---thus defeating the purpose

a low carb diet should be high fat NOT high protein


I got interested in all this after my WLS---the typical diet prescribed after WLS is a high protein low carb plan---most go for the lower fat lean proteins

because of my already damaged---though be it slightly damaged kidneys from the diabetes---I was having problems with an increase in the amount of protein I was spilling---

I did tons of research on the internet and found out it was all from eating too much protein---but I needed to get in the proper number of calories---so went on to learn about fat intake...

further research led me to the real ketogenic diet prescribed back in the 30's at John's Hopkins for epilepsy in children---in that one the carb intake is kept at only 5% total with moderate protein and loads of fat 80%---they got away from it due to the drug companies---but it has made a resurgence in popularity

then there is all the good info at Weston Price about the importance of fats---especially saturated fats---then of course is my fav Dr Groves---

[WildAngel6]

Great post here:

Kimkins Diet Scam Keeps Going

[Nady]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

you end up burning the glucose as fuel instead of ketones---and the excess is stored as fat---thus defeating the purpose

a low carb diet should be high fat NOT high protein


I got interested in all this after my WLS---the typical diet prescribed after WLS is a high protein low carb plan---most go for the lower fat lean proteins

because of my already damaged---though be it slightly damaged kidneys from the diabetes---I was having problems with an increase in the amount of protein I was spilling---

I did tons of research on the internet and found out it was all from eating too much protein---but I needed to get in the proper number of calories---so went on to learn about fat intake...

further research led me to the real ketogenic diet prescribed back in the 30's at John's Hopkins for epilepsy in children---in that one the carb intake is kept at only 5% total with moderate protein and loads of fat 80%---they got away from it due to the drug companies---but it has made a resurgence in popularity

then there is all the good info at Weston Price about the importance of fats---especially saturated fats---then of course is my fav Dr Groves---

Thank you~ this backs up what I've been reading ~ I have a family history of type II diabetes so I really want to watch it~ If I eat carbs, I know how many grams I'm getting and what kind~ if I eat too much protein, I have no real measure of what the heck is going on in my system (except like lowcarbmargi, I get cravings). so much to know
~~~N

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by WildAngel6

Another great resource:

Controversial Kimkins Diet Founder Heidi Diaz Under Attack by Former Clients, Associates - Associated Content

Please visit the site and post appreciative comments!

Also, this may be another good link for the blog posters to use!

thanks
oh and this site strips links if you use html codes

[Larcana]

Bamagal you're my hero!
I have been looking for info for patients that will be easy for them to read and follow, your links lead me to a lot of great info. I already have Dr. Bernstein's book. Jenny's low carb facts and figures is a great resource.
I have been reading to try and catch up since about 3 pm today. You ducks have covered a lot of territory.
Still looking for the lawnchair,
Lauren

[Nady]

Originally Posted by Larcana

Bamagal you're my hero!
I have been looking for info for patients that will be easy for them to read and follow, your links lead me to a lot of great info. I already have Dr. Bernstein's book. Jenny's low carb facts and figures is a great resource.
I have been reading to try and catch up since about 3 pm today. You ducks have covered a lot of territory.
Still looking for the lawnchair,
Lauren

Oh yes! I bookmarked Jenny's site too~ Thanks Bama!
~~~N

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by wackytobeme

Controversial Kimkins Diet Founder Heidi Diaz Under Attack by Former Clients, Associates - Associated Content
did anyone see Heidi's comment to this article *snicker snicker*

YEP i SAW IT AND WAS AMAZED HEIDI HAD COME TO HER SENSES.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

you end up burning the glucose as fuel instead of ketones---and the excess is stored as fat---thus defeating the purpose

a low carb diet should be high fat NOT high protein


I got interested in all this after my WLS---the typical diet prescribed after WLS is a high protein low carb plan---most go for the lower fat lean proteins

because of my already damaged---though be it slightly damaged kidneys from the diabetes---I was having problems with an increase in the amount of protein I was spilling---

I did tons of research on the internet and found out it was all from eating too much protein---but I needed to get in the proper number of calories---so went on to learn about fat intake...

further research led me to the real ketogenic diet prescribed back in the 30's at John's Hopkins for epilepsy in children---in that one the carb intake is kept at only 5% total with moderate protein and loads of fat 80%---they got away from it due to the drug companies---but it has made a resurgence in popularity

then there is all the good info at Weston Price about the importance of fats---especially saturated fats---then of course is my fav Dr Groves---

There is also a connection between high protein (particularly lean), diabetics, damaged metabolisms and ammonia (nitrogen). See this article:
Atkins Diet ~ High Protein Diet ~ Diabetes

[SMP]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

YEP i SAW IT AND WAS AMAZED HEIDI HAD COME TO HER SENSES.

I hope that was said tongue in beak! Anybody can use Heidi's name -payback, you know.

[2big4mysize]

70+ PAGES AND FINALLY CAUGHT UP oops darn cap key.

am i understanding this right???????

there are some folk who could join the lawsuit who would rather withdraw and let kimkin.con and kimmer keep that 2+ million dollars in cars, houses, and cash casue you don't want somebody else involved in the lawsuit on "your" side in the class action suit against Kimmer? WOW I thought i'd seen everything possible in this battle with the kimpire, but that just blows my mind.

Everybody has to be an allie cause there are only 2 sides in a lawsuit. Kimmer's and the planitiffs and if those eligible to be plaintiffs don't sign up and the judge doesn't make it a class action because of lack of cause then all members past, pressnt, and future who are not currently named as plainiffs will have to hire their own lawyers and file their own suit to recover their money individually and Kimmer walks away with all the rest of that 2+ million dollars and would have ironically be right when she said the judge wouldn't go after a housewife, cause 30,000+ of y'all are not going to sue as individuals to recover the rest of the money owed you.

Come on folk please print that form, get it noterized, and mail it is so Kimmer doesn't get to keep that huge pile of money she made off all of y'all with that fake red dress pic and those russian brides and grooms.

[lowcarbmargi]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

70+ PAGES AND FINALLY CAUGHT UP oops darn cap key.

am i understanding this right???????

there are some folk who could join the lawsuit who would rather withdraw and let kimkin.con and kimmer keep that 2+ million dollars in cars, houses, and cash casue you don't want somebody else involved in the lawsuit on "your" side in the class action suit against Kimmer? WOW I thought i'd seen everything possible in this battle with the kimpire, but that just blows my mind.

Everybody has to be an allie cause there are only 2 sides in a lawsuit. Kimmer's and the planitiffs and if those eligible to be plaintiffs don't sign up and the judge doesn't make it a class action because of lack of cause then all members past, pressnt, and future who are not currently named as plainiffs will have to hire their own lawyers and file their own suit to recover their money individually and Kimmer walks away with all the rest of that 2+ million dollars and would have ironically be right when she said the judge wouldn't go after a housewife, cause 30,000+ of y'all are not going to sue as individuals to recover the rest of the money owed you.

Come on folk please print that form, get it noterized, and mail it is so Kimmer doesn't get to keep that huge pile of money she made off all of y'all with that fake red dress pic and those russian brides and grooms.

Ok I've got a quick question. Up until now I've assumed that I couldn't participate in the law suit because I never joined kimkins or payed kimmer any money. The only thing I did was buy the WW magazine on the basis of the kimmer's story... that's like two bucks tops I think. I still have the magazine, BTW. Can people like me join the lawsuit?

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by Larcana

Bamagal you're my hero!
I have been looking for info for patients that will be easy for them to read and follow, your links lead me to a lot of great info. I already have Dr. Bernstein's book. Jenny's low carb facts and figures is a great resource.
I have been reading to try and catch up since about 3 pm today. You ducks have covered a lot of territory.
Still looking for the lawnchair,
Lauren

If you don't mind - I have a question for you and others that are knowledgeable in this area. If the powers that be suggest watching your protein intake but up the fats - what type of foods are we suppose to eat? I am confused when they say to up fats...... Outside of cheese and fat on meat - I don't know what to add.

[JuliaL]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

If you don't mind - I have a question for you and others that are knowledgeable in this area. If the powers that be suggest watching your protein intake but up the fats - what type of foods are we suppose to eat? I am confused when they say to up fats...... Outside of cheese and fat on meat - I don't know what to add.

Cheryl - you can up your fats by eating avocados, nuts and nut butters. Other good sources are fatty fish like salmon and trout (although they are also high in protein).

[Magicsmom]

If I am not mistaken, you need to have been a member of KK to join the suit.

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

If you don't mind - I have a question for you and others that are knowledgeable in this area. If the powers that be suggest watching your protein intake but up the fats - what type of foods are we suppose to eat? I am confused when they say to up fats...... Outside of cheese and fat on meat - I don't know what to add.

any healthy nontransfat can be used. butter,fish, and nut and seed oils will give us our omegas and olive oil is agreat oil. But remember it doesn't take much fat additions as they are calorie dense. You can use them in a dressing, cook with some of them, bake with them or even use them as a dipping sauce.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by JuliaL

Cheryl - you can up your fats by eating avocados, nuts and nut butters. Other good sources are fatty fish like salmon and trout (although they are also high in protein).

Thank you Julia... I LOVE (sorry about the caps) avocados and cashews but will NOT eat anything that swims.... Now if you are trying to lose weight - I would think that the avocados and nuts would have to wait until maintenance....????

[wifezilla]

It isn't hard to get your fat level up. Coconut oil, avocado, olive oil dressing and marinades, butter, heavy cream, yummmmmmmmmmmmm