Why the fascination with Kimmer? #12

[Dottie]

Originally Posted by OhYeahBabe

I apologize for bringing Tippy's post here. She's heavily censoring comments on her blog, so I posted here. I didn't really consider that you and Dottie and the other admins might never have known what she said, and would have been better off left that way.

I feel particularly stupid for feeding her demand for attention. I chewed all my cuticles off first, but couldn't let her off the hook in the end.

Don't feel bad! It was cool because it just reinforces exactly why she can never, ever be part of THIS community again. Her comments on there just remind us of how mean and snarky she is toward people who struggle with their weight. Good quality for someone trying to run a weight loss site I hope her "members" see it.

Originally Posted by Tooter

Did you Actually say "Ass", Dottie?
<snip>
Nope. I'm not going to do it. Her 15 minutes have been up for awhile and my "Give a ****" is broken. (If you can say "Ass" I can say "****")

Trust me my response was heavily self-censored

[gibster]

Originally Posted by WOOFY

I would surmise that the majority of the general population isn't nutrition savvy. It doesn't help that the "accepted" model of good nutrition that has been peddled by the FDA and most MD's for decades is now outdated. You can't trust studies anymore, because most of the time the studies link to certain pharmaceutical companies lurking in the shadows and waiting for the right moment to strike. We are told one day low fat is the way to go, the next day its low carb, then its this type of fat over that kind. Low carbing, even with overwhelming evidence that it works, is still regarded by most MD's as an alternative solution and not mainstream. That is frustrating, and thank God for the few MD's that are pushing this WOE.

It really peeves me is when people come in here and wave their fingers because we allowed ourselves to be duped, like someone did to me last month via private messages. What do you expect? There is so much (mis)information out there and people ready to prey on our lack of knowledge. It's really easy in the midst of confusion and desperation to latch on to something that purports to be the easiest and the best solution for weight loss. I've learned my lesson, and so did many of you.

Now that this semester is over, I'm finally digesting the events of the last few months. It sucks, because even though Kimkins/Heidi Diaz is now a proven fraud, I still feel some guilt for not able to stick with it. My office is having a 2008 weight lost competition which I won for 2007. I am not doing it this year. I'm eating fudge as I type this..LOL.....but I'll feel guilty about it later tonight......I'm stuck in a rut and I don't like it. This is why I'm here in this forum and for all the critics of the LCF, this has been great therapy. Thanks everyone!

Woofy: I could have written your post (except the fudge part - M&M peanuts for me).

[juniper01]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

maybe she should try this recipe from the kimkins recipe box

Stuffed Cabbage Rolls
- 1 Egg White
- 1 Cabbage leaf
- 1 Box of Ex-lax

Boil up egg whites and cabbage. Wrap egg white into cabbage leaf, bake at 350 for 20 minutes. While it's baking, agonize because you're cheating by having an egg white AND a cabbage leaf! Open box of ex-lax. While waiting for it to work, read the posts here. Come to your senses. If you've been scammed by Kimkins, consider joining the lawsuit.

Wait a minuet, is Ex-lax sugar free? Are you using the chocolate Ex-Lax? Ummm, yummy, chocolate cabbage rolls. Maybe that is why she is stalled out, too many carbs in that chocolate Ex-lax.

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

A question for those in the know: is having a Wordpress log on the same as having a Google log on? All I know is I tried to respond to Miss M's video, and couldn't, so if I ever registered there, I sure don't remember my user name or password. Too many blogs out there!! How can someone with Hashimoto's, FMS, and post-hysterectomy hormone levels be expected to remember all this stuff?

I use a program called RoboForm, which is a Password manager and web form filler. Been using it for years and it saves me time and frustration.

RoboForm: Password Manager, Form Filler, Password Generator, Fill & Save Forms

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

When I did mine yesterday, it showed up on the front page (right side) in the listing for that days reports and then it went up by today (or lastnight..didn't check back until today).

For those who only see a few, there is a link to hit to see more or you can keep refreshing and more will show up. They are they...just take a while for the most current to be posted. Good job all..

We have 18 reports now! Mine showed up today. Go Ducks Go!

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by WOOFY

Thank you everyone! This is the first semester I've been able to do that and it all started with a goal. Now I will see if I can apply that same mindset to losing weight.

After the Kimkins/Heidi Diaz exposé, I haven't been valiant in my efforts to continue to lose weight. I started Kimkins last Dec to be exact, and by July I had dropped from 402 lbs to 337 lbs and was maintaining until issues with constipation and thinning hair cropped up. Now I'm fluctuating between 350 to 360 lbs.

Now that school is out, I'm trying to figure out what my next step is. People have been saying 'just go on Atkins' or this or that...but for me, it's not that easy. The mental preparation is hard. Thinking about all the mental preparation I did for Kimkins last year is just exhausting. So that's where I'm at right now. I'm not ready and not motivated to excite myself at this time.

It will come, but just not now.

Woofy, congrats on the A's!

As far as the weight loss, take your time to sort things out. Just try not to go overboard so you won't have to start from square one again. Find something that works for you. I am a huge Atkins fan and have every book he ever wrote. I was treated by the man back in the early 90's. Now that I have Diabetes 2, I follow Dr. Richard Bernstein's book, and it is very similar to Atkins.

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Awww Woofy, I'm so sorry you're struggling. I've been there and understand exactly what you're going through. At some point, I decided I had gained back enough and didn't want to end up where I started, or worse. It is downright cruel for someone to be taking jabs at me on their blog about it. I suppose she says the same thing about all of us who regained some weight. Sometimes people do an excellent job of proving someone else's point. Never mind her...

Terry, I read her remarks. They are mean spirited and cruel. I honestly can't comprehend what she thinks she is achieving. She is proving everyone's point by her very actions.

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by WOOFY

Magicsmom, you must be reading my mind because I'm swinging by the bookstore tonight to pick up a copy of Protein Power!

One of my coworkers was giving me this whole "just follow the food pyramid recommendations" and I looked at her and rolled my eyes...then she goes on about "if people just ate in moderation and exercised, they wouldn't be fat."

GRRRRRRR!!

She is so wrong. Carbohydrates in excess are what make you fat. Woofy, if you haven't already done so, you really need to read "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes. What an eye opener! Packed with information on nutrition and diseases caused by excessive carbs.

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by cheri

Quote:
I have to elaborate a bit farther about why the gathering with LCF bothered me so much. Shelly, try hard to understand. Let's say we had a gathering from alcoholics anonymous. You go to the first gathering and they are sober. They stand before you and tell their stories and why they are succeeding. Now you have contact with these people via the internet every day. They tell you stay sober and won't hear of you trying any other methods other than what they preach. Then you arrive for another gathering year 2. Would you be shocked if they were all sitting around drinking on year two? Well of course! This was a public gathering of people who represent LCF--a diet support website. It was much more than just a group of friends hanging out. A park was selected and a pavillion reserved for members of LCF. And we paid a fee to attend. Members were invited and people stood up to tell their stories--year after year. Previous gathering were all about success. Do you remember the burning of ther fat clothes ritual? The admins in particular who offer help, support and direction to members ARE important as representitives of LCF. It seems odd to me that they can dispense advice, insist others follow it and not be able to follow it themselves. And not all of them--but many. Not to compare oranges to apples, but for me this was the same type of misleading as Kimmer saying she weighed 118 lbs. Don't get me wrong here. I know people fall off the wagon. But they DO represent a diet support website and their images in public are important. If they had previously admitted the gains, changed their stats and pictures accordingly this would not have been an issue for me at all. I was really excited to go again and I couldn't wait to see all the progress. It was indeed a huge let down to see the opposite. And I wonder why this happened at all. Did they stall out and give up? Why in the world would you give up on a plan that had you looking so fantastic just a year before? I really was hoping to learn that answer.




I have a comment on this. First of all... the Pigroast is NOT a LCF function. We are not there representing LCF. It IS a bunch of friends getting together and inviting others to share and learn about what lowcarbing is all about... People are confused about this. Yes, I am an admin and I am very involved in putting the last 3 Pigroasts together (heck... I paid for a lot of stuff including prizes out of my own pocket) but I do it because of the reasons I just stated. Everyone pitches in and brings food and the like... It was labeled the LCF Pigroast but again... NOT because it is an LCF function. We just see if people from LCF are interested in joining us and frankly this has all left a pretty bad taste in my mouth and I am not sure I want to organize nor attend another one other then with the close friends I have come to know.. but.. then again.. I would hate to not include someone that would want to go.. I just can't do that to people, so I am torn.

Secondly... why is it now okay for Kimmer to gain weight and not people from LCF? And why pick on the admins of LCF. WE ARE HUMAN! Please realize this fact. We are being treated very unfairly. I am hurt by every thing said. I am at my lowest weight EVER since dieting and I will NOT be made to feel like a failure if I gain anything back. We all have issues. Kimmer lied about losing 198 pounds in less then a year. But you stuck up for her because of your reasons. To bash me and my friends from LCF for any kind of weight gain is mean, callas, hurtful, hateful, hypocritical, rude, shameless, and very unbecoming of an admin of a weightloss site.. would YOU belittle members of the kimkins site for gaining it back or struggling? Of course not. I and the other admins do not deserve such treatment by anyone because we have been there for people... Our example we set is to never give up, even if you are struggling. And also... you mention that people gained weight and hadn't changed their stats in their profile... well I have lost more then 20 pounds since the summer and haven't put it in my profile because I haven't thought about it. No one is not changing their stats to fool anyone or to make themselves look better. If you go up 5 or 10 pounds do you change it every time? Doubtful. The fact is that we know how to lowcarb... we have lost weight.. we can help and teach people how to do it safely... weather any of us put any weight back on or not. Just because you gain a little back doesn't mean you forgot how to diet. There are a lot of issues that can bring on weight gain and to chastise anyone for it without knowing what is going on to bring on the weight isn't right... we all know why Kimmer didn't lose 198 pounds in a year... she never did it.. she admitted that fact. At least we have thinner pictures (that are real) to prove it can be done and HAS been done.

I am sorry for posting but I am getting so upset (sometimes I should just not read this stuff but felt I had to comment). I just wanted to say how I feel about this situation since I am being badmouthed and talked down too, as well as my fellow admins are.

I hope anyone that agrees with the assessment that we admins have to be less then human and never be able to gain any weight back or if we do we need to bury our heads in the sand and not do a gathering will rethink their stand on this.. afterall... gatherings help renew peoples resolve to stay on their weightloss plans and to give them much needed motivation to succeed. Do us admins deserve any less support? Afterall... we are all here to help each other.

Cheri, sweetie, don't let her win. This is all intended to manipulate. Just remember that hurting people hurt people. Pity her, but don't entertain what she has to say.

Isn't amazing how we can have all this affirmation around us, but yet let one loose canon go off and we take the hit like everyone and his dog is telling us the same thing.

You know better about yourself. People who KNOW you kow better about you. Who gives a rip about the rest? Especially someone chewing on their own sour grapes? She is trying to make you look bad in a feeble and misguided attempt to make herself look better. Don't let it.

[JustKim]

I Dottie and Cheri

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by JessieBear

Cheri,

Don't lower yourself to her incessant drama queening level. You are better than that, sister. I have only been following this saga for a month or so now and the TypoToes drama is about the ace in the hole of anything I have seen on the 'net and I have been running message boards and chatrooms since the early 90's when we were all still on 9600 baud modems dialing in through compuserv to access ListServ.

HIJACK: Oh, wow. Thanks for the memories! You know, all this drama pales in comparison to what we used to have on the OJ Simpson and Rush Limbaugh boards ...

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by Tanner

There it is - Mod -- can we add this to the smiley section
And maybe that tapping foot while you are at it LOL ?

Oh, I wish we could have it added! We seem to need a group hug from time to time. Here's another comin' at ya all.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

HIJACK: Oh, wow. Thanks for the memories! You know, all this drama pales in comparison to what we used to have on the OJ Simpson and Rush Limbaugh boards ...

[wifezilla]

I once worked as a chat moderator in an AOL political chat room. That's why I laugh so damn hard when someone goes off on a "You are all too mean!" binge. :lol: They don't know from mean! Hee hee hee

I just think of a funny bumper sticker I have on those occasions.
"Time to put on your big girl panties and deal with it!"

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by wifezilla

I once worked as a chat moderator in an AOL political chat room. That's why I laugh so damn hard when someone goes off on a "You are all too mean!" binge. :lol: They don't know from mean! Hee hee hee

I just think of a funny bumper sticker I have on those occasions.
"Time to put on your big girl panties and deal with it!"

I have never been to those chats, but My husband sure has. TOO TRUE!!

[WOOFY]

Good morning everyone.

I picked up and started reading PP last night and brought it to work with me today. I love what I'm reading so far.

I thumbed through Taube's Good Calories Bad Calories. I think I'll check my local or school library for that one (600 pages!) or maybe buy it on Amazon where it is cheaper.

Thank you for all the recommendations and today, no more sweets! I was very queasy last night from snacking on fudge at the office and caramel corn.

[JessieBear]

Oh, how I remember the 90s and AOL chats.

"Time to put on your big girl panties and deal with it!"

[BamaGal]

Thanks go out to al of those who have filed a report with ripoff report---remember--you do not have to have been a member of Kimkins to file---any concerned citizen can make a report---

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4. You can send us as many pictures as you want.
5. Send them 1 picture at a time by e-mail in the order of importance.
6. You must fill in the e-mail subject with the following information: PHOTO for Report (copy and paste the web address of your report)
7. Your photos need to be clear.
8. Email us at photos@ripoffreport.com or if you do not have the ability to produce a digital photo you may mail them to us at:

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[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by pooticus

...I mean really, how on earth do you explain TWO episodes of fraudulent photos??

SO true!!! She "came clean" and lied at the same time.

Originally Posted by ketosis

Does anyone else suspect the real reason she asked for a new judge is so that she gets one who hasn't seen her before and won't be able to tell she is lying through her teeth about her new weight loss? If you can't lose the weight you are pretending to the next best thing is to keep getting new judges right? LOL

I suspect it's a stalling tactic, as it takes a new judge time to come up to speed. Either that, or she felt the previous judge was prejudiced against her. Yeah, judges tend to be prejudiced against scammers and rip off artists!

Originally Posted by Dottie

Don't feel bad! It was cool because it just reinforces exactly why she can never, ever be part of THIS community again. Her comments on there just remind us of how mean and snarky she is toward people who struggle with their weight. Good quality for someone trying to run a weight loss site I hope her "members" see it.

Even if her members see it, they have the same kind of fierce loyalty to her they had to Heidi. But thank you for saying she will never, ever be allowed back in here. Go figure.

Originally Posted by Barbara B

Terry, I read her remarks. They are mean spirited and cruel. I honestly can't comprehend what she thinks she is achieving. She is proving everyone's point by her very actions.

Thanks for the hug, Barbara, and I agree! There is no better proof of what I've been saying about her than her actions yesterday.

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Cheri, sweetie, don't let her win. This is all intended to manipulate. Just remember that hurting people hurt people. Pity her, but don't entertain what she has to say.

Isn't amazing how we can have all this affirmation around us, but yet let one loose canon go off and we take the hit like everyone and his dog is telling us the same thing.

You know better about yourself. People who KNOW you kow better about you. Who gives a rip about the rest? Especially someone chewing on their own sour grapes? She is trying to make you look bad in a feeble and misguided attempt to make herself look better. Don't let it.

Thanks for that.

Originally Posted by MomToEli

HIJACK: Oh, wow. Thanks for the memories! You know, all this drama pales in comparison to what we used to have on the OJ Simpson and Rush Limbaugh boards ...

I can only imagine!

[Magicsmom]

BamaGal, what kind of pics do they want? Screen shots?

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by pooticus

Cheri!!!

Have yall considered that KK has not changed her piccy and "appears" to be losing slowly...cuz she lied in the first place and knows everyone is "on to her"??? I will post my piccy tomorrow if anyone is interested. It's exactly 2 months and pretty darn close to 40lbs loss. I weighed pretty close to what she weighed. So it should give you a gauge (and I'm about her same height... I maintain that the PI photos of her are of a woman who is closer to 400lbs or more. Maybe not? But she's claiming to have lost 30+lbs and she "goofed" by altering her photo tooo much, now with the legal stuff and appearing in public, she's gonna have to either:

a) Keep lying and keep altering her photos or....

b) "Stall" while she actually "catches" up with her badly retouched photo cuz if she doesn't she will once again be caught out in the lie AGAIN with no plausible explanation.

Let me know if you want me to post the comparison and if you don't that's fine too...I'm not too thrilled to post a piccy of my body for the world to revue.

Pooticus, it would be helpful if you posted your picture. I'm trying to imagine what a 30+ loss looks like. Though I know her picture has been photoshopped drastically, it would still be helpful.

She *has* gotten herself in a bind, hasn't she? The stall story won't go over well. She