Why the fascination with Kimmer? #12

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

I'm starting a fundraiser, should I sell candles

I gotta business. I'm a raisin funds for the anti kk group!

What? Not for your foster kids?

Don't forget to weigh in the morning ....

[SMP]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Now, Lou- Factor in this tidbit- The luper's son has done web design for several years. Hmmmm.......then why even hire someone at all?

Some sons are too busy to have time for their parents' pet (read - non-lucrative ) projects. Consider this possibility - they made such a hash out of their first website that he said - Move over and let a professional handle this. Amateurs should not be doing this.-

MomtoEli-
once run by their daughter (lupers) and their son David II did the web page.

Sounds reasonable to me. And it's ASTONISHING how many amateurs forget basic info (like telephone numbers, addresses, list prices, etc.) in ads whether on screens or in classifieds. Ask any sales rep for newspapers. OTOH, this is out on the web. There are ways to weed out the insincere w/o compromising family privacy and safety. Emails and other notes can be sent to 3rd party resenders; however, likely not in this case, due to the personal details posted by Bonnie. She's quite willing to talk to anyone (please sign here and send money!)

[wackytobeme]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

funny girl...probably on the previous post, lol...but I do see you running in there behind me a lot wacky!! keep it up..

I'm afraid I waddle more than fly these days but I'm a tryin' t keep up with you

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Oh, now THAT's a great question! And HE could be the Brandon connection (let me push my spy glasses up on top of my head for a minute) ... interesting. Interesting.

One thing about it ... we've done more to advertise Bonnie Luper, The MCD, Stoney Creek Candles and The Texas Candle Factory than any of them have done. If they are real, THEY should be paying US

ditto that

[wackytobeme]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

What? Not for your foster kids?

Don't forget to weigh in the morning ....

well. yeah us sure...it's for the little ducklings who lost their mama duck to some bad leopard lady.

WEIGH IN ON A SUNDAY....that is my day of rest...it would be work to step on them scales and try to read that big number......

[LINC]

Gotta sign off for the night ladies.....I have more thoughts. It'll have to wait till tomorrow. DH actually expects me to spend time with him tonight. And FEED him.



Lou

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Now, Lou- Factor in this tidbit- The luper's son has done web design for several years. Hmmmm.......then why even hire someone at all?

MomtoEli-
once run by their daughter (lupers) and their son David II did the web page.

but the site is registered to a person in CA according to whois----if I'm looking at the right site---

[wackytobeme]

Originally Posted by LINC

Gotta sign off for the night ladies.....I have more thoughts. It'll have to wait till tomorrow. DH actually expects me to spend time with him tonight. And FEED him.



Lou

Yeah we know how that goes...Lot's of thought provokin' going on around here and my brain is just a spinning and doing all kinds of weird contortions

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by LINC

Gotta sign off for the night ladies.....I have more thoughts. It'll have to wait till tomorrow. DH actually expects me to spend time with him tonight. And FEED him.



Lou

Give him a can of chicken lou....
Thanks for the input and talk with ya later.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Wow. I can't believe I'm spending a Friday night this way ... though it is keeping me away from the popcorn my dh and ds are eating right now ...

It's SATURDAY!!

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!! If I ever need a detective...YOUR ALL GOOD!!

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by wackytobeme

well. yeah us sure...it's for the little ducklings who lost their mama duck to some bad leopard lady.

WEIGH IN ON A SUNDAY....that is my day of rest...it would be work to step on them scales and try to read that big number......

Well, if you're in the Valentines Day Challenge I hope you picked a day to start. Miss M picked tomorrow, tomorrow, ....

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by Snowman

It's SATURDAY!!

KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!! If I ever need a detective...YOUR ALL GOOD!!

Well, unless you want pesky details like THE DAY OF THE WEEK!!

Oh, dear! And I've not had a glass of wine, a martini, or a carb all night!

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

but the site is registered to a person in CA according to whois----if I'm looking at the right site---

Which one you lookin' at? If it's the Texas Candle Factory, where di we get the idea that Bonnie has a daughter named Sherri - or daughter in law, married to Bill?

Maybe I read through the sites too fast. That happens when I'm stunned with inconsistencies ...

I think I figured out that that 63 page mess that I got when I pulled up Stoney Creek Candles number is some sort of blog spammer. Maybe they are getting ready to advertise. Like the first of the year.

[lowcarbmargi]

Originally Posted by wackytobeme

Don't you know it.
Hmm, I've just started having a terrible craving for corn.

Corn - rotten.com library entry

Every time someone mentions corn I think of this page I ran into on the Internet.

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Which one you lookin' at? If it's the Texas Candle Factory, where di we get the idea that Bonnie has a daughter named Sherri - or daughter in law, married to Bill?

Maybe I read through the sites too fast. That happens when I'm stunned with inconsistencies ...

I think I figured out that that 63 page mess that I got when I pulled up Stoney Creek Candles number is some sort of blog spammer. Maybe they are getting ready to advertise. Like the first of the year.

.net version---has the same story about the family---but whois has it registered to a guy in california

[Sheridan]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

PM me the list ... you should know by now that I'm not shy ... and I've picked up my superduperhighintensityflameretardantfireproof suit at the cleaners, so I'm set to go....

Do we have the same couturier?

Originally Posted by MomToEli

See, as far as I know, we never did decide anything except that things are really fishy. As we started talking about this, we got invaded by a very large mass of lurkers/drive-bys/whatevers that concluded for us that she was just this nice lady who used poor judgement.

At least I don't know that she is who she says she is. I just got tired of laying out the facts as known over and over and over and people still insisting that we were just out to crucify anyone who walks on two legs - human or fowl alike.

And the fact that I'll say that out loud is really an irritant to some folks.

Who was it, exactly, who made the biggest stink about the investigation and questions about MCD? It was a person who doesn't post regularly on this site, but does elsewhere. A person who also lives in north Texas. A person who has said elsewhere her family moved from - I believe it was California - to Texas to help 'plant a church'. A person who had intimate knowledge of the Kimkins 'diet' and what the site looked like and how it functioned. A person who didn't leave Kimkins until they were locked out. A person who was indignant they'd suddenly lost their income.

What was the primary reason for this person's objection to the spotlight being focused on the MCD? It was the loss of income for the MCD lady; we were excoriated for helping to 'destroy her business'. Not the fact that the MCD lady would be associated with a dangerous, poorly conceived diet.

I think it's quite possible the person who so vehemently went off on the LCF sleuths has a connection with the MCD lady. Perhaps they're friends, or maybe they're partners in the MCD. At any rate, it always seemed to me this person took things way more personal than say, if this was a complete stranger. Waaay more personal. . . like their ox was the one being gored. As the saying goes . . . follow the money. Or the potential for it.

But . . . this is just my opinion.

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

My interest in the MCD lady was not even piqued until I was told it was so wrong. So the other thing I am looking at is even if the site is not linked to Kimkins.com -then is it linked to anyone affiliated with kimkins now or previously?


So if someone is using the MCD as a soapbox for how this thread is going off course of the LCF members are haters, then I think exposing that they have other reasons for saying such things should be reviewed.

I do believe we are in agreement, dear HoneyBee.

[Princess Dieter]

Sure this already came up--but I can't remember--is that at the Sharp Plumbing site (and the copies of the screenshots are in the documents we've been reading from the court site), it has all those testimonials, but none with names one could ever verify. How convenient.

Makes me wonder if all those testimonials are as made up as Heidi's success stories.

Okay, really need to sleep cause today (later) it's empanadillas making ritual for NY Eve pig-out.

[Violet Skye]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Anyone else see anything interesting about this website? I mean, other than the fact that there are multiple links on it to the MCD website? Click on the Store tab ... there are only two products showing, and no way to order. No prices. Nothing. Click on the Scents tab and there are lots listed, but the names don't like to product. The only way to contact them is through a form on the website, that apparently doesn't send via email ...

Does this seem right?

I'll tell you all right now, up front. If these folks are legit, I'll be all over myself apologizing to them in public. I'll even write a letter of apology in the comment section of their website. But, until then ...

Yeah, I also cruised the site, and since I am a candle fanatic, I would have happily splurged on a few of the nummy-sounding scents. However, there's no retail order form, nor is there a statement that they only sell wholesale and I'm forced to conclude that this is a squeeze page for the real product, the MCD.

[MissMerize]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

What? Not for your foster kids?

Don't forget to weigh in the morning ....

I've checked in on the VD thread. I'm up 30 lbs I hide my weight really well, do I look like 170 in the lawsuit video? Someone tell me if I am delusional or if I look like 170.

I'm 5'6. I don't know, I don't think the pounds matter, But what does matter is that I got rid of my big clothes and all my stuff now is really tight. So it's either lose, or go naked

That could be quite cold here in the north.

[**Lola**]

I think it's quite possible the person who so vehemently went off on the LCF sleuths has a connection with the MCD lady. Perhaps they're friends, or maybe they're partners in the MCD. At any rate, it always seemed to me this person took things way more personal than say, if this was a complete stranger. Waaay more personal. . . like their ox was the one being gored. As the saying goes . . . follow the money. Or the potential for it.

Even if it were true that "someone" (I think we all know who you are talking about...why not just come out and say it...or better yet keep it all to yourself?) were partners with the MCD lady, how exactly is any of that any of your business?

I really don't understand why you think it's okay to drag anyone and everyone through your "investigation" on a public messageboard.

Beyond all of that, I think it's quite possible that "someone" was just offended by the fact that it seemed a few here were taking glee in the demise of a seemingly completely innocent businesswoman.

Oh well, as Tim Gunn says, carry on.

In the end if there's a price to be paid for crossing these lines and making such irresponsible accusations before there is any real evidence of their truth, I guess some of you will pay it.

[MissMerize]

Someone commented on biggest search ever, and they are promoting the fat loss for idiots thing.

Do you think Heidi would have the kahunas to do that?

[daisyrat]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Well, this gets curiouser and curiouser ...

Went back and read Yust Yucky's blog and all the email correspondance between them and Lupers. Then I started Googling phone numbers.

The one they gave in the email as a contact number comes back to a Medical Supply Wholesaler in Azle, Tx, about 25 miles NW of Ft Worth (remember this - it becomes important later on)

Then I looked at the Stoney Creek Candle Co website again.

Remember than Bonnie says she started her diet in August 2006 and it took her 10 months to lose her weight.

On the website they say they just moved back to Granbury, which is located about 55 miles SW of Ft Worth.

Google Stoney Creek Candle Co in Granbury and you get a number and an address.

Google David Luper in Granbury and you get a number and address.

Google the phone numbers and that's where things start getting odd.

First, the one for the candle company leads to an automatic blog traffic generator - whatever the heck THAT is.

Next, the one for David Luper comes back to the Texas Candle Factory ... whose website was copywrited in 2007, and the owner is a woman by the name of Sherri - a stay at home mom and head candle maker. They list a toll free number on their website and don't list a town. But at least their prices, etc are listed.

Wow. I can't believe I'm spending a Friday night this way ... though it is keeping me away from the popcorn my dh and ds are eating right now ...

Yeah, and when you check property records for Granbury you get nothing for Dave n' Bonnie.

[WildAngel6]

Originally Posted by **Lola**

In the end if there's a price to be paid for crossing these lines and making such irresponsible accusations before there is any real evidence of their truth, I guess some of you will pay it.

Speculations on things like this, that cause one to pause and think about it for a bit, are pretty much the theme of things here.

If it weren't for the speculating and the supposing and the researching, where would we be? How would all this have been uncovered?

We were labeled "haters" because many of the things that were done by Heidi and at Kimkins caused us to have doubts.

Sure, we expressed concern about our friends going on the diet because it didn't look nutritionally sound, so that made us haters.

Sure, we speculated that all those pictures weren't really of Heidi or her "success stories", so that made us haters.

Sure, we suggested that maybe Heidi had lied to us, and then a private investigator proved that she had, and it was again confirmed by the video from the deposition, and again that made us haters.

Sure, we've made it our mission to warn others about the dangers of the Kimkins Diet, and that too has made us haters.

Heidi has already said that she has another site ready. So because we are on the look out for that new site, that makes us haters.

Sure, when a red flag goes up somewhere, and we are concerned enough to look at it, to pursue it, that also makes us haters, and I guess some of us will pay for it.


Do all of the speculations pan out? No, not all of them.

Have many of them panned out? Yes, they have.

Has our willingness to seek the truth been worth it?

If we have been able to rescue even one person from the dangerous way of eating that Heidi started them out on, then yes it has been worth it.

If we have shed enough light on the dangers and fraud involved in the Kimkins Diet Scam so that one person has made the choice NOT to start the diet, then yes it has been worth it.

As with any investigation, there will be false leads and trails that lead nowhere. Do the investigators NOT follow those leads because there is a chance they won't pan out? What kind of detectives would that make them, if they didn't follow ALL leads? There isn't any way to know if it's the right trail unless you take it.

Is speculation under these circumstances irresponsible? I guess that all depends on how you look at it.

If it were your mother, sister, daugther, niece, or friend that was being hurt by Kimkins, wouldn't YOU hope that there was someone who would stand up for her, to try to rescue her, to try to help her avoid choosing a dangerous scam for a diet?

Personally, I feel that it would be much more irresponsible to not have speculated about this at all. Those of us who have been labeled "haters" could very easily have backed off when we were first told that we were wrong; when we were first accused of being haters. But we didn't back off, because we cared enough about the innocent people being hurt to pursue this. To seek out the truth. To share the truth with others. To try to rescue those that had already fallen into the trap, and to warn others so they too didn't fall for it. To see that justice was served.


As for me, I am proud to stand with the other ducks here who have taken on this cause.

If you aren't with us, does that mean you are against us?