Why the fascination with Kimmer? #12

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by LINC

So simple, I think I messed mine up. We'll see.......

Here's some name calling for you - I'm a dork for using a new recipe for something that I already know how to make. DORK!!

Lou

DORK DORK DORK Never do that on a holiday! I'm sure it will be just fine and if not - you can make a stew tomorrow.... just add some other ingredients to it and slow cook it.

Hey I made that gooey cake that everyone was talking about - probably 25 pages ago and all I have to say is it was UNBELIEVABLE! Yes I ate a small piece and now I'm going to call myself a name ...... STUPID STUPID STUPID. Now I have to go through the headache period tomorrow and the day after and probably one more day after that.

[LINC]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

DORK DORK DORK Never do that on a holiday! I'm sure it will be just fine and if not - you can make a stew tomorrow.... just add some other ingredients to it and slow cook it.

Hey I made that gooey cake that everyone was talking about - probably 25 pages ago and all I have to say is it was UNBELIEVABLE! Yes I ate a small piece and now I'm going to call myself a name ...... STUPID STUPID STUPID. Now I have to go through the headache period tomorrow and the day after and probably one more day after that.

At least it's just DH and I (and the dogs) They'll all eat pretty much anything.

Lou

[dhuff81096]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

Enjoy your roast, quiet meal and the carols. I made Prime Rib - outstanding and sooooo simple.

Have a wonderful Christmas evening!

Cheryl,

How did you make your prime rib? I love prime rib, but have no idea how to make it correctly. Thanks!

Merry Christmas everyone!

[SMP]

So where do we stand after this past exciting 2 weeks?
We have Tom saying "OK, children, play nice." (He has the right.)

We have trolls and defenders of their leader's virtue jumping in and exclaiming "No fair. We demand you play nice." ( The truth is sometimes not nice.)

We have fair maidens and gentle souls pleading " Play nice or we'll go elsewhere." (Try other sites on LCF. They're quite nice.)

But mainly, the question is - will MY post be something I'd want read in decent company? (That depends on whether it advances the legal momentum for taking down Kimkins and Heidi, who are superficially nice.)

There are lots of things to ponder in this post, but it won't hurt to be "nice" and truthful and progressive all at once. JMHO.

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by LINC

So simple, I think I messed mine up. We'll see.......

Here's some name calling for you - I'm a dork for using a new recipe for something that I already know how to make. DORK!!

Lou

Now, if you are going to give yourself that label, you're going to have to change your avatar, 'cause I remember Linc from Mod Squad, and he most certainly was NOT a dork!

Hope dinner is edible!

[SMP]

Originally Posted by Crohnie

I am, but I was already called alot of names on the this thread . Boujie also

but you were ALL rude to Lola already....so it is Ok now

One last stir of the pot - Crohnie, you are very free with blanket statements like the "ALL" above. Please show me a single post where I was rude to Lola. Boujie and I are not so far apart on these issues that we can't agree on common ground; that is, the removal of Kimkins.com and Heidi as a diet promoter. What common ground can we share?

[Bunnymuffin]

It's dangerous out there, take this!






Now that I have your attention for a moment, here's my buried suggestion.

Originally Posted by Bunnymuffin

So um,

I suffer from insomnia and that leads to lots of thoughts cavorting around my head during odd hours of the night/morning. And one of those thoughts lead me to this idea.

There were a lot of people that heard of Kimkins of the first time via this magazine like me, but unlike me paid good monies for something that was posted here for free. A good number of those paying customers may still purchase that cheap rag and read up on the next greatest eating disorder inducing craze.

My thought was that we take a page out of Postsecret's book. A lot of fans of the site go into book stores and slip their own secrets into the books. What if there was an underground movement to slip notes into the current issues of this rag (WW) with a blurb about about how the magazine promoted a dangerous diet and if they were a victim to join the lawsuit? The note wouldn't have to be long and would include the url for the join the lawsuit site.

Legions of covert operators slipping warnings into this magazine during the busiest diet season of the year, guiding the uninformed ex KKers to information for justice and liberty for all!

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

Enjoy your roast, quiet meal and the carols. I made Prime Rib - outstanding and sooooo simple.

Have a wonderful Christmas evening!

your roast sounds marvelous---I'm alone today--so went to the chinese place and got a to go plate from the buffet---I'll be eating for days....

[Madam De Leon]

My standing rib roast didn't turn out so good... It was really tough. I didn't overcook it - in fact the parts that were more well done ended up being significantly more tender, although there was an occasional bite in the more rare parts that was actually tender, which I simply can't figure out.

I'm going to call the store tomorrow about it, because that was entirely too much money to spend on something so tough that I'll need to stew the leftovers all day to get it tender enough to eat.

So... back on topic...

I hope you all have a lovely holiday, and that by this time next year there will be no more KK to bring down.

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by LINC

At least it's just DH and I (and the dogs) They'll all eat pretty much anything.

Lou

sounds like my pooch -----he ate shrimp with me today.....

Originally Posted by Bunnymuffin

Now that I have your attention for a moment, here's my buried suggestion.

it's funny you should mention this----I was thinking of your post while reading the paper the other day---

they had an article on what they called reverse shop lifting---some of the examples they gave were similar to your idea---religious groups putting tracts inside books they deemed questionable---or photographers leaving business cards in bride magazines---or self published authors leaving their books in major stores with signs that read free---or fitness trainers leaving business cards in weight loss books

there were many other examples----but it appears to be quite popular---

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by SMP

One last stir of the pot - Crohnie, you are very free with blanket statements like the "ALL" above. Please show me a single post where I was rude to Lola. Boujie and I are not so far apart on these issues that we can't agree on common ground; that is, the removal of Kimkins.com and Heidi as a diet promoter. What common ground can we share?

I certainly haven't been rude to Lola *shrug*

[Katinsac]

lola...I want to thank you for your suggestions...that is what we need here. People to come in who are not necessarily fighting the fight daily but giving us good suggestions of other places to look or things to do, not to try to stir the pot. WE all need to step back a little and refocus in this thread and start looking for things that will ensure taking Heidi down. All suggestions are welcome. I did suggest the Spark People website for a private chat but as we mentioned, it is hard to know who you could allow in that would help and not run back to Kimmer and give her the info we are working on. There is a lot going on behind the scenes that people don't know about or post here but there is still a lot to do.

[MissMerize]

Reverse shop lifting

[Katinsac]

Reverse shop lifting....I'd get caught!! lol

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by Bunnymuffin

It's dangerous out there, take this!






Now that I have your attention for a moment, here's my buried suggestion.

Originally Posted by Bunnymuffin View Post
So um,

I suffer from insomnia and that leads to lots of thoughts cavorting around my head during odd hours of the night/morning. And one of those thoughts lead me to this idea.

There were a lot of people that heard of Kimkins of the first time via this magazine like me, but unlike me paid good monies for something that was posted here for free. A good number of those paying customers may still purchase that cheap rag and read up on the next greatest eating disorder inducing craze.

My thought was that we take a page out of Postsecret's book. A lot of fans of the site go into book stores and slip their own secrets into the books. What if there was an underground movement to slip notes into the current issues of this rag (WW) with a blurb about about how the magazine promoted a dangerous diet and if they were a victim to join the lawsuit? The note wouldn't have to be long and would include the url for the join the lawsuit site.

Legions of covert operators slipping warnings into this magazine during the busiest diet season of the year, guiding the uninformed ex KKers to information for justice and liberty for all!

Thats a good idea, not sure how easy it would be to do though?

[SMP]

Originally Posted by Sherrie_lc

Thats a good idea, not sure how easy it would be to do though?

It sounds pretty good, but where do we find KK and Heidi? Right here on the Internet! Did some not do the equivalent of "reverse shoplifting" by putting links at the bottoms of their KK posts (before they were scrubbed) a few weeks ago? And didn't a few someones suggest reviving and/or starting new blogs with links at the bottom? And the Webring idea? I think these are the literal printed page equivalents and applaud those who are doing so.

Be aware that most people now check out most info via the Internet, and it will just be jumping any time now with diet ads. Maybe the search engines should be monitored on a daily basis for Kimkins ads and results reported. (For those that don't have a life.)

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by SMP

Be aware that most people now check out most info via the Internet, and it will just be jumping any time now with diet ads. Maybe the search engines should be monitored on a daily basis for Kimkins ads and results reported. (For those that don't have a life.)

That's not too hard to do ... just set up to receive Google Alerts (go to Google.com). It probably won't catch everything, but it will catch whatever is big enough for most people to find.

[Chelveston]

Originally Posted by Sweeteater

IMHO, this is about the Fascination of Kimmer. Lots of people, events, sites, happenings, etc are linked to Kimmer. At some point those things and the people they are connected to will be discussed. Why do we have to stick to a "mission"?

One thing that I am confused about...I believe TT very strongly pointed out that her new website had nothing to do with KKs, at first? Correct me if I'm wrong...now they're all like best buddies?

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Honestly, Lola, my only interest in Fawn is that she is bringing out into the public light that the relationship between TT and Heidi is all well and good. It strengthens the suspicion that there IS a working relationship between the two. Her (TT) leaving the KK site was much different than the other admins. Her stated purpose for her site is to build a refuge for Kiminites when (her words - not if) the KK site comes down, etc. And Fawn being allowed to remain at the KK site is also suspect based on Heidi's past behavior.

Originally Posted by SMP

OK, officially barfed! I tracked down Fawn's blog and, besides the sugar syrup overload, I noticed 2 other things.
1. Fawn seems to make it plain that Kimmer and Tippy are buddy-buddy again, and both good friends of hers.
2. Heidi is flogging the same story that she's computer illiterate, when events have proven otherwise. It's too late, Heidi, we know better than that. Ho ho ho.

We know that TT signed the lawsuit papers to protect herself. We also have an inkling of TT's character from her continued association with KK until the money ran out. We also know that Heidi is a lying liar that lies. So...

Is Fawn telling it like it is and TT is still making nice with Heidi?

or

Is Heidi using Fawn to make it look like that's what TT's doing?

As much as I dislike TT, I think the answer is that Heidi is using Fawn.

Originally Posted by wifezilla

Well, it's pretty easy to see there is a real effort to shut this site down. People who ask valid questions are under attack. It is deliberate. The whole point looks to be to make sure we all feel so bad about being such horrible people that we will go crawl under a rock somewhere and stop causing a fuss. While this has scared a few people off (there are those who just can't handle turmoil), it has not detered those who understand the big picture.

In fact, it has made me think about what I could have missed and why there are people who are trying to keep me from looking.

I guess people aren't familiar with the term "backfire".

So, what are we missing? Do we have a short recap?

Could it be that with TT signed on to the lawsuit things are looking dire for KK?

Originally Posted by SMP

Heidi is an admitted fraud and liar.
A couple of her ex-admins on Kimkins still support her diet, if not her actions.
One ex-admin, in particular, burnt her bridges on LCF, as well as KK, and disclaims any responsibility for how she's now treated. She also supports Heidi the person. Misplaced loyalty? Or something worse?
People who still support a fraud and liar either are exceptionally forgiving (not evident in their comments about LCF, who started out as the abused here), or intentionally blind to their environment. People who live in the house that Heidi built should not be surprised when the foundations give way when doubts and investigations rain upon it.

Isn't this latest stir on the heels of TT signing on to the lawsuit?

Originally Posted by Katinsac

My concern is...if Fawn (dear, sweet Fawn...) is correct and Heidi and TT are still in cohoots...then how valid is TTs info to John? Is she really helping the lawsuit with legit info or is she telling him what Heidi wants her too? Just a thought...personally, if this turns out to be true...I'd take TT's help with a grain of salt and just to CYA.

Good thing that John didn't come down with the last shower. I agree that the question of the day is where is TT's true loyalty. I'd bet a bunch of low carb treats that her only loyalty is her pocket book right now and in the short term that means playing nice on the lawsuit.

Originally Posted by SMP

The main thing I brought away from reading Fawn's posting, and I'm VERY reluctant to quote it , is this:


That is, Kimkins and Camp Carbaway. Two days of posting, and Fawn is unreservedly recommending those 2 websites IN HER OPINION. Wow! It's only an opinion, but combined with all her postings in the last couple days, I see red flags flying. If the front door approach doesn't work, try the back door! Oh, and her posts are markedly improved w/o runons, and she admits she is definitely not naive. Hmmmm.

Maybe Fawn wants to be KK's new PR Director?

Originally Posted by MissMerize

Oh dear. Do I need to start my own forum?

Who wants to write the TOS?

No porn. Unless it's me.

THAT WAS A JOKE! I REPEAT: THAT WAS A JOKE!

Not more martini glass women! I refuse to pay $59.95 if you post more of them!

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

DORK DORK DORK Never do that on a holiday! I'm sure it will be just fine and if not - you can make a stew tomorrow.... just add some other ingredients to it and slow cook it.

Hey I made that gooey cake that everyone was talking about - probably 25 pages ago and all I have to say is it was UNBELIEVABLE! Yes I ate a small piece and now I'm going to call myself a name ...... STUPID STUPID STUPID. Now I have to go through the headache period tomorrow and the day after and probably one more day after that.

Cheryl, stop calling people names!

Originally Posted by BamaGal

they had an article on what they called reverse shop lifting---some of the examples they gave were similar to your idea---religious groups putting tracts inside books they deemed questionable---or photographers leaving business cards in bride magazines---or self published authors leaving their books in major stores with signs that read free---or fitness trainers leaving business cards in weight loss books

there were many other examples----but it appears to be quite popular---

But is it legal? The last thing we need is trouble.

Now, a few hot pink notices on people's windshields at the grocery store or mall??....

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by LINC

I promised myself that I'd stay away from this today, but before it gets lost in the shuffle (and to save you some time) I'll tell you why I came in here when I did. It had nothing to do with diverting your attention or stopping you from finding anything. I read Jeanessa's post on her concerns about the lawsuit, and it worried me. That's it. No hidden agenda here. If people here don't think they're hurting the case, keep doing what you're doing. Who am I or anyone else to stop you?

I'm not a troll, and I didn't come in here to stir up trouble. I voiced my opinion about something that caught my attention - Jeanessa's post - nothing more. You can choose to listen, agree, disagree or ignore it. That's your choice. But please don't take the fact that I posted something here that you disagree with and make it into some sort of attack or devious ploy to steer you in the wrong direction. Sometimes something is just what you see and nothing else. In this case, it is an opinion. I have a lot of them, most of which I keep to myself, but in this case I really felt the need to speak up. Not everyone who has an opinion that differs from yours is the enemy.

Lou

Lou, I don't consider you a troll, or Boujie, or Chronie. There is a difference between disagreeing and being disagreeable for the fun of it.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by nobimbo

Have any of you looked at Kimmer's Fitday Journal recently? Here's her last entry, Dec. 23 2007:

FitDay.com - Diet and Fitness journal for Kimmer

Foods

Cals Fat Carb Prot
Coffee, brewed, prepared with distilled water ( 40 fl oz ) 24 0 5 1
Cream, light, fluid ( 12 individual container ) 260 26 5 4
Aspartame sweetener, sugar substitute ( 8 individual packet ) 28 0 7 0
Total 312 26 16 5

It's pretty interesting to look back at all her entries, especially from this year. Here's one from June 17 2007:

June 17, 2007
Foods

Cals Fat Carb Prot
Tomatoes, raw ( 0.75 Italian tomato ) 10 0 2 0
Pepper, sweet, green, raw ( 0.12 cup, chopped ) 5 0 1 0
Cheese, Mozzarella, part skim ( 1 slice (1 oz) ) 79 5 1 8
HORMEL Pillow Pak Sliced Turkey Pepperoni ( 1 serving ) 74 3 1 9
Basil, fresh ( 0.33 tablespoons ) 0 0 0 0
Garlic, raw ( 1 clove ) 4 0 1 0
Mushrooms, raw ( 3 oz, raw, yields ) 20 0 3 2
Ham, sliced, extra lean, prepackaged or deli, luncheon meat ( 0 slice (6-1/4" x 4" x 1/16") ) 0 0 0 0
Total 193 9 10 20

Poor thing must be passing out every day. No wonder she rarely leaves the apartment.

Did you see her entry for 12-08-07? I think Heidi is pulling our legs!