Why the fascination with Kimmer? #12

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by Locarb4me

The Ducks are in it for the long haul. You can take that to the bank.

you can "bet your sweet bippy"

Originally Posted by WildAngel6

Guidelines for Identification of Diet Fraud

What can you do?
You can make a difference by combating fraud and exploitation with truth. It does matter that children, teens and adults develop healthy attitudes and learn to eat, move and live in healthy ways. We urge you to confront health fraud wherever you find it, and to help your family, friends, associates, students, patients and clients understand the difference between science and pseudoscience. You can reduce fraud by exposing worthless diet and food supplement products, reporting scams, registering complaints, urging action by appropriate agencies, and encouraging others to do the same.

Great find my girl---book marking.......

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by wifezilla

Well, it's pretty easy to see there is a real effort to shut this site down. People who ask valid questions are under attack. It is deliberate. The whole point looks to be to make sure we all feel so bad about being such horrible people that we will go crawl under a rock somewhere and stop causing a fuss. While this has scared a few people off (there are those who just can't handle turmoil), it has not detered those who understand the big picture.

In fact, it has made me think about what I could have missed and why there are people who are trying to keep me from looking.
I guess people aren't familiar with the term "backfire".

Bolding and underlining mine ...

That is EXACTLY where I'm at right now. People must be very, very close to something quite big to be worth all this trouble. I think it may be time to go back a few pages - maybe all of thread #12 - and figure out just what that something is.

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by shelby7851

How is that any different than someone that is over in this camp forum just for the sake of spying? Copying posts over here, and *gasp* stirring it up? it is the same. There seem to be people here that like to act like they are above because their 'mission' is admirable. Well, the end does NOT justify the means. It doesnt matter why people are doing it, but going from forum to forum stirring it up is petty. On BOTH sides.

Did someone from over here go over there and start a ruckus? If they did that, we'll you are right - that would be NO different and would be absolutely despicable!

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Glad I'm not the only one that just can't say no to LCF today!

Me either...

spent a wonderful morning with some great kids though....I volunteer at a safe house for battered woman a few times a month---some of the volunteers went there early this morning to fix breakfast for the ladies and their kids---I had crocheted some scarves and caps for everyone---another lady had knitted socks---another lady cross-stitched some stockings for everyone and filled them full of goodies---the director even had some nice gifts for the volunteers---it was a great morning----

now I'm back home ---in duck mode----following rabbit trails

[SMP]

Originally Posted by Boujie

But, it's like watching a pack of hyenas out for blood now - for ANYONE even remotely having anything to do with Kimkins. It seems that some have lost their eye on the prize. Not all...but some.

Again, it's MHO only. It has no weight, I know that. But, I had to say something.

C'est la vie.

If Heidi hadn't involved so many real, as well as fictional people, I doubt if there would be the intense scrutiny today. Some of the most intensity and vehemence comes from those who once believed in her and stuck up for her. Betrayal has a funny effect on some people - they tend to become caped crusaders out for vengeance.

But, FWIW, Boujie, your opinion has as much weight as any other opinion here, including mine. I speak according to my conscience - I expect no less of others.

[golite]

Originally Posted by Crohnie

some of what is being posted here is borderline stalking. Truth or no truth. ( and who defines the truth.??? YOu???) Like I said, you might get it back in kind

What you're doing is stalking. If this were a place of business, I'd have you arrested by the police and then you'd be dealt with by the FBI.
You are a cyber stalker.

The FBI sees a big difference between investigation and stalking.

Cyberstalking; following an individual or group in websites, forums, chat rooms and personal web pages such as MySpace for no other purpose than to post false information about the victim[s] and to harass the victim[s].

Cyberstalkers often have followers. These groupies are usually non-violent, but have a distorted sense of right and wrong and self worth. They will post behind the stalkers harassing posts using words of agreement and encouragement giving the cyberstalker a false sense of superiority.
When formal charges are made against the stalker, the groupies will be named in the charges also.

Cyberstalkers Stalkers will often denigrate their victims to reduce the victims to objects. This allows stalkers to feel angry at victims without experiencing empathy, or they may feel that they are entitled to behave as they please toward the victims. Viewing victims as "lesser," "weak" or otherwise seriously flawed can support delusions that the victims needs to be rescued, or punished, by the stalkers. Stalkers may slander or defame the character of their victims which may isolate the victims and give the stalkers more control or a feeling of power.

You fall under the definition of a stalker. You have no investment in this thread and you only pop in to harass.

Since the ducks are only posting real, true information NOT false accusations and are not encouraging harassing e-mails, phone calls or posts on the target web-sites and are not just popping in to harass and stir the pot, they can not be defined as stalkers.

[shelby7851]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Did someone from over here go over there and start a ruckus? If they did that, we'll you are right - that would be NO different and would be absolutely despicable!

The people that copy posts from other boards, that are members or using log ins at other boards for the mere sake of spying, posting those here, and the ruckus is HERE. And people havent posted on kimkins just to stir up crap?

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by WildAngel6

I realize that Vandy has apparently left us, but I didn't see that they ever answered the question about whether they had joined the Kimkins Class Action Lawsuit, or not?
I sincerely hope they have, as that certainly would be a lot more helpful in the long run than simply coming over here to cause a little disruption (or diversion???).

Oh well, back to the business at hand...



Guidelines for Identification of Diet Fraud

What can you do?
You can make a difference by combatting fraud and expoitation with truth. It does matter that children, teens and adults develop healthy attitudes and learn to eat, move and live in healthy ways. We urge you to confront health fraud wherever you find it, and to help your family, friends, associates, students, patients and clients understand the difference between science and pseudoscience. You can reduce fraud by exposing worthless diet and food supplement products, reporting scams, registering complaints, urging action by appropriate agencies, and encouraging others to do the same.

Bolding mine ... don't want that to get lost too soon.

As for the part of What can you do? -I just want to say Amen.

I remember as a teenager, I lost 30 pounds one summer eating nothing but cottage cheese. For variety I would put ketchup on it. I still can't believe my mother ever let me eat that way. And I can go right back to that summer and find the root of my sicko dieting cycle. Even the promise of a million bucks wouldn't get me to promote that sicko way to lose weight. And it was probably a whole lot healthier than eating egg whites for every meal.

[Katinsac]

Mom...ITA!! This thread is about taking down Kimmer and if that means investigating everyone who might be connected...so be it!! Once the truth is known, if innocent, then the so called "others" have nothing to worry about.

[dlslds]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

LONG LIVE NETRITION!

wooohooooo!!!!

Thanks Tom for letting us keep up the good fight, and allowing people to vent and heal, oh and especially for allowing the hideous trolls to give us some entertainment today! LOL
hey I got some Christmas monies and will be making another huge order here at Netrition Love supporting what is Good!


PS MagicsMom can say any dayum thang she wants!!!
ETA I amrefering to her calling a spade a spade...umm errrr or a troll by another other name LOL as we ALL are allowed to do

[Boujie]

Originally Posted by SMP

But, FWIW, Boujie, your opinion has as much weight as any other opinion here, including mine. I speak according to my conscience - I expect no less of others.

True dat

And at almost 41,000 posts, rest assured - I'm no troll

[Tom]

Merry Christmas all.

Please remember to show respect for everyone in your posts even when you disagree with them. Please do not engage in making fun of others or name-calling of any kind. Thank you.

[Katinsac]

Thanks Tom...Merry Christmas to you and yours also...note taken..

[Katinsac]

I remember all these names from Thread 1 and it is funny that they are now against these threads when they were all for it in the start...makes you wonder...

[wifezilla]

Hi Kat! Merry Christmas! (You too Tom )

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by shelby7851

The people that copy posts from other boards, that are members or using log ins at other boards for the mere sake of spying, posting those here, and the ruckus is HERE. And people havent posted on kimkins just to stir up crap?

Couldn't tell ya. Don't belong there

As for people posting stuff from other boards here and the ruckus being here - well, no, I don't see that the same as going over there (whereever there might be) and just stirring things up for the fun of it. My kids used to do that. Before they grew up.

[Katinsac]

you know, there are people who fight the fight and people who want to sit back and reap the rewards from the fight in the end....I think a lot of these people still at the KK site and on TTs site want to reap the rewards in the end. Watch how many when KK is shut down come here or other places and try to take credit for it when they did not join the lawsuit or help in the fight. It is just they way it is. We know who fought the fight and who will be responsible in the end. If it makes them happy to try to join in then, so be it. They have to live with themselves in the end. I am a Kimkins Survivor in the true sense and I will not give up until this fight is ended weather it be here or somewhere else. Thanks Tom and other Mods (Dottie, et al) for letting us vent and continue this fight. WE do not try to hurt anyone in this fight but we will look at all things be they big or small in our quest until we WIN. If our tactics hurt people or people THINK we are hurting people here, then don't come in and read. Every avenue has to be explored, good or bad, to weed out the truth. Merry Christmas to all.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by WildAngel6

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Guidelines for Identification of Diet Fraud

What can you do?
You can make a difference by combatting fraud and expoitation with truth. It does matter that children, teens and adults develop healthy attitudes and learn to eat, move and live in healthy ways. We urge you to confront health fraud wherever you find it, and to help your family, friends, associates, students, patients and clients understand the difference between science and pseudoscience. You can reduce fraud by exposing worthless diet and food supplement products, reporting scams, registering complaints, urging action by appropriate agencies, and encouraging others to do the same.

I decided to look up the qualifications for this "expert" on healthy diets. Here they are:
"Healthy Weight Network
How to Identify Weight Loss Fraud, by Frances M. Berg,MS, national coordinator of the Task Force on Weight Loss Abuse of the National Council Against Health Fraud ,licensed nutritionist, and editor of Healthy Weight Journal. Copyright 1997. All rights reserved. Reproduction in whole or part prohibited without publisher’s written permission. Healthy Weight Network , 402 South 14th Street, Hettinger, ND 58639. TE: 701-567-2646; FAX: 701-567-2602; website: Healthy Weight Network

OK, so she fits the definition of an expert. I think she has more qualifications than some we know, at any rate. If she issues a call for reporting frauds, that may carry weight in more circles than just LCF. So exposing frauds has some legitimacy - the SOLE problem here seems to be determining whom to expose as fraudulent. Let's recap:

Heidi is an admitted fraud and liar.
A couple of her ex-admins on Kimkins still support her diet, if not her actions.
One ex-admin, in particular, burnt her bridges on LCF, as well as KK, and disclaims any responsibility for how she's now treated. She also supports Heidi the person. Misplaced loyalty? Or something worse?
People who still support a fraud and liar either are exceptionally forgiving (not evident in their comments about LCF, who started out as the abused here), or intentionally blind to their environment. People who live in the house that Heidi built should not be surprised when the foundations give way when doubts and investigations rain upon it.

That said, dignity and calmness can co-exist with proper investigative work. Trolls aside, some posters here , myself included, have urged some restraint in ad hominem attacks and gratuitous mean remarks about anyone, including Heidi, as it lowers us to the schoolyard level. JMO

[Boujie]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

I remember all these names from Thread 1 and it is funny that they are now against these threads when they were all for it in the start...makes you wonder...

I can't speak for anyone else, but for myself - (if you're referring to me) a few posts back I did say that I was and still am, all for uprooting "The Kimmer".

I just don't like the idea of leaving a trail of innocents in the wake.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

I NEVER liked Kimmer. I had always thought she was a liar from the moment I saw her "after" pics on here. I saw her berate others, telling them they "didn't want it bad enough", calling people "fatties" or "Fatkins". She and I had it out a few times on this very board.

I also think members of this board should be permitted to state their thoughts without a public flogging or being called a "troll".

Just because one doesn't post every 3 minutes in this thread, doesn't make them a troll or unworthy of posting their opinions. It doesn't mean they aren't following the story.

[Katinsac]

Hey, Wife...nice to see you today. Merry Christmas to you too.

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by Tom

Merry Christmas all.

Please remember to show respect for everyone in your posts even when you disagree with them. Please do not engage in making fun of others or name-calling of any kind. Thank you.

Merry Christmas to you, too, Tom! And all the other Admins here! You all ROCK! And I love LCF ... found some really neat folks here, lots of support and a cause worth fighting for ... all under the same roof.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Crohnie

Sorry but it rude to call ANYONE here trolls. You do NOT have that right. I suppose I am one also

Trolls know who they are. They come here deliberately to cause trouble. I am sorry you find it offensive, but it is a completely acceptable term on the internet. We need to identify them quickly and ignore them so they aren't able to accomplish what they come here to do. In my book, going to a website for the express purpose of causing trouble is rude. Calling a spade a spade is not.

[Katinsac]

My concern is...if Fawn (dear, sweet Fawn...) is correct and Heidi and TT are still in cohoots...then how valid is TTs info to John? Is she really helping the lawsuit with legit info or is she telling him what Heidi wants her too? Just a thought...personally, if this turns out to be true...I'd take TT's help with a grain of salt and just to CYA.

[LINC]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Bolding and underlining mine ...

That is EXACTLY where I'm at right now. Peopl