Why the fascination with Kimmer? #12

[Sheridan]

[Crohnie]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

This is why we should not be feeding the trolls. You never know what they are saying elsewhere about the work they do here.

Sorry but it rude to call ANYONE here trolls. You do NOT have that right. I suppose I am one also

[Sheridan]

Methinks you toss the term "stalking" around much too loosely, Chronie. Investigation to get at the truth of a matter is 180 degrees opposite of stalking.

Yup.

[Crohnie]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Let's just say, for the sake of discussion, that there really IS something out there that says this. I have not seen or found it. Nowhere. And if it did exist, who would have said it? The person who started the thread? Tom? Is it something that was decided half way through? Once she was exposed as a fraud? Once the lawsuit was filed? Who actually defines it?

Seriously. I keep hearing people come in and claim that that is ALL this thread is for. Help me out here. Really.

Go ahead and look through all of my other posts on this fora. I've not posted about any of this on any other thread I've been on. Why not? Well, because I recognize that those threads do, indeed, have another purpose. This one, as far as I have been able to discern, is to hunt down all of Heidi's little tenacles as they've woven themselves thoughout the WWW and beyond and cut them off so that she doesn't come peeking out from underneath some other rock somewhere. And she, by her own admission, makes up other personas to use to gain her ends. Some have been pretty good and some pretty transparent. And unless you (you being whoever claims it is unfair to question these poor innocent people) know the person personally - as in having seen them in person and the like (remember how long Heidi hid behind her telephone and email and how convincing she was?) then you can't *really* vouch for them. The way every single twist in this little drama has been brought out is exactly what you see now. People bring it up, it gets torn every way since Sunday and evaluated, and the truth comes out. Seriously, how many times on this thread have there been claims that someone is not what they seem, or their culpability in all of this questioned and the people here have been wrong? There are some where the truth hasn't been uncovered yet, but I can't recall one instance where the ducks have been proved wrong.

The MCD lady, for instance. When someone I trust walks up to her, shakes her hand, can tell plainly she is the lady in the photos and that her story is true, I'll be all about making sure everyone knows she is who she says she is (won't tout the soundness of her diet though). A voice on the phone won't work (I listened to Kimmer on Jimmy's show). Email for sure won't work.

One thing I'll say in closing - All of the people wandering in here determined to set others straight and make them be nicer folks - well that has peaked my interest in this the most. Thank you for making me get off my seat and actually invest more of myself in taking this whole scam down. And if others show up on the radar (scams that is) in the process, they are fair game.

ETA: Your definition of stalking is faulty. And, for the record - I did NOT go to Camp Tippy Toes and copy Vandy's post. Didn't need to. But even if I had, that would not be considered a legal definition of stalking.

really??? I can stalk you all over the internet. All I have to do it google your name and find put where you live, that you are married , how many children you have and their ages.......I do consider some of the stuff going on here stalking. Posting about peoples private lives steps over the line. If you have NO issue doing it, just expect that Heidi MAY do it back to all of you. If you post stuff out there, it WILL be intercepted

I still say leave the other people alone

[Crohnie]

Originally Posted by SMP

Stalking:
What is stalking and/or criminal harassment? Is it against the law?
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Methinks you toss the term "stalking" around much too loosely, Chronie. Investigation to get at the truth of a matter is 180 degrees opposite of stalking.

some of what is being posted here is borderline stalking. Truth or no truth. ( and who defines the truth.??? YOu???) Like I said, you might get it back in kind

[Sheridan]

I do so get a kick out of know-it-alls.

[MissMerize]

Originally Posted by Crohnie

Sorry but it rude to call ANYONE here trolls. You do NOT have that right. I suppose I am one also

This is the stuff I really don't get. If you are not guilty of anything, then there is nothing to get defensive about. If someone wants to call me a troll, I'm not going go get upset, because I don't think I'm a troll. I don't find anyone else here rude or offensive.

I can verify my actions, and provide proof of any accusations.

It is in everyone's right to call me what ever they want to call me. If I didn't like it, then I WOULDN'T BE HERE.

If you're going to jump into the pool, then you will get wet.

[WildAngel6]

Originally Posted by Crohnie

I will always defend underdogs if I see them. I just call them as I see them


JMHO

Personally, I feel that the only "underdogs" that we should be defending are these: Kimkins Survivors.

I guess I just don't understand why anyone would even want to be defending Kimkins co-conspirators.

Then again, everyone is entitled to pick their own fights.

Just please don't get down on those who are fighting for those who have been hurt by the Kimkims Diet Scam.

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[MissMerize]

Originally Posted by Crohnie

really??? I can stalk you all over the internet. All I have to do it google your name and find put where you live, that you are married , how many children you have and their ages.......I do consider some of the stuff going on here stalking. Posting about peoples private lives steps over the line. If you have NO issue doing it, just expect that Heidi MAY do it back to all of you. If you post stuff out there, it WILL be intercepted

I still say leave the other people alone

This is 2007, and big brother is watching. No one's information is private. The only way to remain semi private these days is to move out into the woods, with no computer or phone, or credit cards. There is no such thing as privacy any more.

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

It is in everyone's right to call me what ever they want to call me. If I didn't like it, then I WOULDN'T BE HERE.

If you're going to jump into the pool, then you will get wet.

ITA!!!

[JessieBear]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

Am I reading that right? SL gained 5 lbs.

And it says weekly updates at the top, So it looks like they all lost what they lost in a week?

Apparently. Kimmer has been standing still for weeks now...

Originally Posted by BamaGal

well there is actually a different pic of SL when I just went there---she's in a black top holding a camera----

also Heidi hasn't lost any weight and SL has actually gained 5 lbs---since last week...

Thanks -- I got the updated one and replaced the image in my post.

[Boujie]

Originally Posted by SMP

Methinks you toss the term "stalking" around much too loosely, Chronie and Boujie. Investigation to get at the truth of a matter is 180 degrees opposite of stalking. And following a rock-thrower home to see her "parents" is the course of wisdom.

I don't need to read the Criminal Code of Canada for an interpretation of stalking (and in fact, I'm looking at one right now on my coffee table - it's DD's). Sorry SMP, I just couldn't read all of that you posted. It's not relevant (not to mention boring)

I'm using what *I* believe to be stalking peeps out on the internet (TT, SL, Fawn, etc). It's out of control IMO.

If you don't like it, well, that's too bad. I've been on these boards a long time now. I don't have a dog in this fight and I really couldn't care less. I've never belonged to Kimkins, I've never done Kimkins, and I've had several run ins with Heidi on this board myself. When all of this started, I was cheering everyone on and was delighted to see her get her just desserts.

But, it's like watching a pack of hyenas out for blood now - for ANYONE even remotely having anything to do with Kimkins. It seems that some have lost their eye on the prize. Not all...but some.

Again, it's MHO only. It has no weight, I know that. But, I had to say something.

C'est la vie.

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by Crohnie

Sorry but it rude to call ANYONE here trolls. You do NOT have that right. I suppose I am one also

according to this definition--you would fall into that category....

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who intentionally posts derogatory controversial messages in an on-line community such as an on-line discussion forum with the intention of baiting(see below) other users into an emotional and argumentative response.

Baiting---

On Internet forums, baiting is sometimes used in attempts to empty forums or reduce a forum's usage. This type of baiting is usually done to make the atmosphere of a forum appear unpleasant or to make forum owners, moderators and long-time users look foolish. A person using this kind of baiting may post comments to elicit rude responses from prominent members of a forum, thus making the responding member or members appear as trolls or flamers to bystanders. As a result, forum users in general may become disgusted and leave the forum.


this sounds like what you are doing----you have made it clear you feel these threads should be shut down---so with your persistent presence--- it appears to me you are just trying to bait everyone--stir up enough controversy to get what you desire----so from now on---no more feeding the trolls for me....

Have a nice day...Happy Holidays....

[Sheridan]

Originally Posted by Boujie

I'm using what *I* believe to be stalking peeps out on the internet (TT, SL, Fawn, etc). It's out of control IMO.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, just as everyone else is.

Originally Posted by Boujie

If you don't like it, well, that's too bad.

Likewise, I'm sure.

Originally Posted by Boujie

I've been on these boards a long time now. I don't have a dog in this fight and I really couldn't care less.

You seem to exert some effort for someone who "really couldn't care less".

Originally Posted by Boujie

But, I had to say something.

C'est la vie.

I do hope you feel better having gotten it out of your system.

[Vandy J.]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

(bolding mine)

Are you sure 'bout that? No hidden agenda here?

Seems Santa's elves have been sorta busy, cause several of them left me this little present ... I can only assume it is in its entirety - if not, Vandy, feel free to clarify ...

Written by VandyJ at The Camp 12/24:

"Okay, so here is my day today. I woke up with the scale in the same spot for day 2. I am not complaining though since I just dropped 8.5 pounds in a week. I am in very deep ketosis, my breath is bad and so is my attitude. Sad So, I am reading my morning forums that I usually do and saw someone posting things from our camp on another forum I shall not name. Making snide remarks about people I like, good people. I know, I should ignore it and I usually do. However the nastiness of my mood, combined with the invasion I felt made me jump in with my fists up. I know it does no good. I know these people do not care who they hurt. But, honestly it felt good to make them squirm a little. Ask some questions they really didn't want to answer. (and didn't) It is a small minded thing to do, but I take even more pleasure that several even put me on ignore......petty and childish I know. I will get my senses about me, swish my mouth with some listerine, and come back home to the place where I belong. I sure do appreciate this site and the people here. They help me see how much usefull energy spent on such excursions. Thank you Pocahontas, Heather, Brian, and my other fellow campers.....you guys rock!!"


Vandy, I really don't have anything particularly nice to say right now, so I think I'll simply leave you with this ... only a fool would come over here and complain about people following up on those remotely connected with this scam and not expect that those same people would also look into the folks who protest the most. And the funny thing is - once again, where there is smoke there is fire ...

If you have an agenda, it will be uncovered. Honest.

This will be my farewell post to this thread and this forum. So do not worry about hitting the ignore button, I am doing that for you.

First of all, I do have nothing to hide and never did. I belong to four different forums and I use the same user name and my picture at every single one. I do not change my name and disguise myself and say things that cannot be attributed to me. Can all of you say that about yourselves?

When I was asked if I was still a member of KK yesterday, by Cheryl. I answered honestly. If I had been asked if I was a member of Camp Carbaway I would have answered that honestly as well. I am not ashamed of it and do not feel it changed what I was asking you in the slightest sense. I went there and posted what I did in my journal knowing you and your spies were sitting there waiting to post anything we say. Not very good at hiding am I? I do not hide from the likes of you, and I never will.

When I saw that post from camp carbaway yesterday, I saw a glimpse of the future. I saw a bunch of small minded, mean spirited people hell bent on taking their delight and entertainment in quoting, partially quoting, insulting, and tearing apart people who are on another board minding their own business. Trying to regroup after feeling beatdown. Trying to support each other to lose weight. So again, I repeat the questions I asked of you yesterday.

What is the point? Why are you doing that? How can you justify it even under your own set of warped guidelines? And most Importantly......
WHERE DOES IT STOP?

You have torn down anyone who disagrees or tries to point out to you that you have crossed the line here. You have trashed and belittled Becky for no reason except that she questioned your tactics. Well guess what, a lot more people are questioning you and there will be more. Because you have crossed the line from doing something honorable to becoming a self righteous, mean spirited..........yes, I am going to say it MOB. How many times will you have to hear it before you take one moment to consider the merit of the question. Are you so sure of yourselves that you cannot take a moment to consider why so many are saying it to you?

I have questioned a re-evaluated my motives and actions in the past several months. I have made mistakes. Not leaving Kimkins sooner than I did. Getting in the mud with you guys yesterday was one of them. Commenting about it in my journal at the camp was another one. The people there are good, and kind. They support and respect each other despite differences. They are not promoting any dangerous diets, and up until yesterday this thread and the people here were never mentioned that I ever saw. I did that, I brought that garbage over there and gave you something to quote. Something to snicker and laugh about. I am more sorry for that than anything else I have done. I apologize to my fellow camp buddies with all my heart.

You throw a lot of stones over here, that is a dangerous business. What happens when you do manage to shut Kimmer down? How will you go on? I fear you will have to start a new war, a new persecution to feed your hunger.
I predict you will eventually turn on each other. That is what predators do.

Kimkins/Kimmer/Heidi has hurt a lot of people. You are hurting even more. You are damaging people who do not deserve it. What started out as a good and honorable thing has mutated into something nasty, vile, and ugly. Do my words seem harsh? So are your words and deeds.

There are many good people at LCF's the people I am addressing are in the minority. You will show yourselves as pick me and my posts apart. You will accuse me of being a spy, or Tippy, or maybe the all mighty Kimmer in disguise. You will be snide and insulting and snicker. You will continue to stalk "anyone remotely connected" to the scam as you see it. You will continue to speak abusively of anyone who dares to challenge your tactics. You will reveal yourselves, you cannot help it.

Tom: I beg you as a forum owner/moderator to consider where this thread has gone. I understand you supporting it in the beginning, it was noble in purpose. But it has become something else. It has become a place where it is okay to make fun of fat people. Where it is not only okay, but rewarded with applause to launch insults at another dieter. That is something I never used to see at this Forum. It is giving the entire forum a bad name, one it doesn't deserve. For the other members for the LCF's forums reputation.... Please put a stop to this. Please at a minimum put a stop to the copying and pasting information they get at other forums. It is a violation both legally and morally. I do not think it benefits you to allow it any longer.

Any other people at LCF's that agrees with me that this thread has become something that is not a good reflection on the good people here. Please Let Tom know. Do it publicly or in a PM. This is your board and it is receiving a black eye in the low carb community.

[Boujie]

Bamagirl...having a differing opinion than the crowd, and not being afraid to post it, doesn't make one a troll.........

There are checks and balances in everything. Including message boards, no? So, if you don't agree with the majority, you're deemed a troll?

[wifezilla]

Well, it's pretty easy to see there is a real effort to shut this site down. People who ask valid questions are under attack. It is deliberate. The whole point looks to be to make sure we all feel so bad about being such horrible people that we will go crawl under a rock somewhere and stop causing a fuss. While this has scared a few people off (there are those who just can't handle turmoil), it has not detered those who understand the big picture.

In fact, it has made me think about what I could have missed and why there are people who are trying to keep me from looking.

I guess people aren't familiar with the term "backfire".

[shelby7851]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

Vandy: I'm so disappointed to read this. You took great delight in stirring the pot over here! It truly is sad that this is so much fun for you. Who is calling the kettle black?

What a disappointment .... and then for you to brag about it. Sad!

Oh yes one more thing - I hope your Ketosis has left you today - not nice to feel in such a bad mood during this special day.

How is that any different than someone that is over in this camp forum just for the sake of spying? Copying posts over here, and *gasp* stirring it up? it is the same. There seem to be people here that like to act like they are above because their 'mission' is admirable. Well, the end does NOT justify the means. It doesnt matter why people are doing it, but going from forum to forum stirring it up is petty. On BOTH sides.

[Boujie]

Originally Posted by wifezilla

Well, it's pretty easy to see there is a real effort to shut this site down. People who ask valid questions are under attack.

See wifezilla, I don't see it that way at all (except for the part I bolded).

I don't think anyone wants to see this thread shut down - just that it should stay on course.

I think some are forgetting that this is a free site - it's by the grace of the owner that it's being permitted to continue. It's no one's call but his. I'm pretty certain he's not about to be strong armed by a few posters

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by wifezilla

Well, it's pretty easy to see there is a real effort to shut this site down. People who ask valid questions are under attack. It is deliberate. The whole point looks to be to make sure we all feel so bad about being such horrible people that we will go crawl under a rock somewhere and stop causing a fuss. While this has scared a few people off (there are those who just can't handle turmoil), it has not detered those who understand the big picture.

In fact, it has made me think about what I could have missed and why there are people who are trying to keep me from looking.

I guess people aren't familiar with the term "backfire".

I'll add to this and say, even if it was taken down, this battle has a life of it's own. It will not stop, I don't care how many detractors come here and yell "Fowl" (pun intended)

Heck, I'd open and run my own forum just to keep the fight going. So those of you who think we need to stop exploring every avenue, and turning over every rock, and exploring every lead for possible connections to Hidey, well, you sure have the right to speak your mind but you're not going to stop us.

The Ducks are in it for the long haul. You can take that to the bank.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!

[Angel373]

Coming out of lurk mode to say ((((((VANDY))))))


Thank You