Why the fascination with Kimmer? #12

[cleochatra]

Originally Posted by TerryC

I guess I missed all the fun from the last 2 days. Especially with Cleo coming out to play, I'm sorry I missed her, she's always the life of the party.

{{{{{{Terry}}}}}}}

In other news...

Tippy who?

Who?

Not worth the time. Just another disgruntled wanting attention and for people to think she's been victimized by circumstances in which she chose to take part.

It doesn't take guts to post a blog where you don't allow for opposing comments when you're using it to pick people off.

So, she's another one of those on the couldn't give a cracker-dipped crap o meter.

[thetruthinhiding]

Originally Posted by beckynett

I have become a source of trouble in the low-carb community, and I would like to apologize.

I have been under a lot of stress in my own life for reasons which are neither here nor there in this issue, but have had me on the ragged edge. In one very weak and stupid moment, I snapped, and posted things I should not have said. I did not mean what it was taken to mean, but I do not know how to respond without making it worse. I will not excuse or defend what I said. It was foolish and wrong of me. I was angry, and spoke in careless haste. I have needed time to step back and try to get my bearings. I am still afraid to say anything. I know that anything I say may be misinterpreted, and that nothing I can say will ever be enough for some. But I have to try.

I know I should not have spoken in anger. I still am not sure why the Magic Chicken Diet issue even bothered me so much. It is not as if I am a fan or advocate of the chicken diet. I guess I was feeling frustrated about many things, and that was just the most recent situation at hand.

I am sorry that my sloppy use of the word 'they' seemed to be bashing an entire community of people. It was not at all my intent, and I am sorry. I apologize to those I hurt.

I believe I have said this in my blog, but if I have not, let me go on record as giving credit where credit is due. I appreciate the hard work that has been done to bring an end to Kimkins. I am indebted to individuals who have uncovered evidence, and taken action to contact legal authorities and media, and worked to remove Kimkins from the internet. I know it is a frustrating and usually thankless task. Thank you.

When I listed what I had done as part of this effort, I was not intending to brag or to claim I had done the most. Not at all. I KNOW I have come late to this battle, and I feel acutely the burden of my previous role in Kimkins, every day. I can never undo that, and I know it. I know I have not done that much publicly to fight Kimmer, just some blog posts, and I was trying (stupidly and awkwardly) to list my 'credentials' to say - Yes, I am firmly on the anti-Kimkins side. I am doing something, whether it shows or not. I am an ally. But that does not mean I cannot say I dislike the methods sometimes used, that I think hurt people unnecessarily. I felt I had a right to express my viewpoint.

Finally, when I said "I give up. I am done" I was not meaning to be rude to the poster, 2big4mysize. She was good enough to come to me directly, she made her points fairly, and deserved a direct, fair answer. I am very sorry for my curt reply. I was wrong, and ask for forgiveness.

I did not give a decent answer at that time because I was upset, feeling jumped on from all sides, and somewhat invaded. I felt I had no safe home online, no place to express myself in a candid moment, and no idea whom to trust. I just meant what I said --- I give up. Uncle. I can't do this anymore. I have tried to wage our common battle in the public square, with blogs and forum posts, but it seems I am under a microscope, and cannot afford one misstep. I will just step out.

Again, I am sorry for my words spoken in haste and anger, for my poor attitude, and for being the source of the dissension among people who should be allies. I apologize.

I will continue to do what I can to bring an end to Kimkins privately, in my own way.

Becky, I know reading LCF the past few days has been hurtful for you, and I know your intentions were never to offend anyone. This post explains to everyone what I knew all along. You heart has always been in the right place, and I have known all along how guilty you feel for ever having been in the employ of Heidi and any part you had in passing on her bad advice. Bottom line in my eyes is: You didn't know. You saw the diet working for you, and your friends Christin and Deni. Heidi can be very convincing and the promise fast weight loss is about equal in value to people these days as the promise of free money. Everybody wants it. She fooled a lot of people. She fooled a lot of people that came from here. Sure there are those that were not fooled, and I suppose those people have some right to gloat, but I don't think they have the right to say you should feel guilty. Having experienced it and had it work for me as well, I can say there is a real "cult" mentality and readiness to defend the leader of a program that seems to be providing the holy grail of rapid weight loss to those who have struggled to lose at any speed their entire lives. It is time to forgive yourself as well, as these people here seem to be forgiving you.

You, Becky, are a good person, and that is evidenced by your works of writing as a whole. We have seen you pour your heart out in your blog and explain your feelings about things as they were happening. We have seen you shoulder blame. We have had a full accounting of facts and truth from you. It pained me to see you so criticized for one emotional rant when boxes and reams of your past writings tell a different story of who you are. All of us react differently when criticized or attacked, but your post here should, I hope, put this to rest for good and allow you to feel once again part of the online low-carb community. I for one, will stand by your side with pride.

theTRUTH

[cleochatra]

Dottie said:

As for her snide comments about admins she met gaining weight: hope that doesn't come back to bite you in the ass TT. Karma is not your buddy right now.

[thetruthinhiding]

Originally Posted by Dottie

Mind blowing isn't it?
Seriously.
None of the admins here are "guiding lights for diet advice" and we never claimed to be.
We're here to enforce the TOS and that's pretty much it. Any advice we give is because we are members of this community, just like everyone else here.
We struggle just like everyone else.
BUT we never represented ourselves as anything else.
So give it up Tippy, it's just your typical "look! a butterfly" tactic to get focus off you, again. You learned from your mentor well.

As for her snide comments about admins she met gaining weight: hope that doesn't come back to bite you in the ass TT. Karma is not your buddy right now.

I thought I was done blogging about Tippy's kimkins PMs,
But I don't have to be...

[Katinsac]

becky, apology accepted

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

I just checked on Heidi's divorce case.....
There was a hearing on the 18th--Hector had petitioned to have the spousal support decree changed.....well---he won---Heidi now gets diddley squat out of old Hector......she didn't even bother showing up for the hearing......guess she had better things to do....

either that or she figured it was a lost cause anyway......

so congrats go out to Hector on this count---but why didn't he ask the court for support from her????

She was a no-show for her hearing with the student loan people, too ... hmmm ... anyone have any way to find out out there if she has any sort of contempt warrants or any other kinds of warrants that would keep her from wanting to show up in court? LE gets really busy and don't get around to knocking doors on most warrants, but the courts are usually pretty diligent about keeping up on that stuff ... maybe she has a good-in-her-mind-only reason for not showing ...

[CarolynF]

Woofy: Hey..you are so right..Your head needs to be in the diet mode before your body gets it!!! I trust that when you are ready to "restart" you will..Hurray for the all "A's" guy!!!
Your surrogate moms are very proud of you!!

Good post, The Truth!!!

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by WOOFY

Thank you everyone! This is the first semester I've been able to do that and it all started with a goal. Now I will see if I can apply that same mindset to losing weight.

After the Kimkins/Heidi Diaz exposé, I haven't been valiant in my efforts to continue to lose weight. I started Kimkins last Dec to be exact, and by July I had dropped from 402 lbs to 337 lbs and was maintaining until issues with constipation and thinning hair cropped up. Now I'm fluctuating between 350 to 360 lbs.

Now that school is out, I'm trying to figure out what my next step is. People have been saying 'just go on Atkins' or this or that...but for me, it's not that easy. The mental preparation is hard. Thinking about all the mental preparation I did for Kimkins last year is just exhausting. So that's where I'm at right now. I'm not ready and not motivated to excite myself at this time.

It will come, but just not now.

Woofy, you can do it! Have you tried Atkins? It feels like cheating after that horrible Kimkins!

Originally Posted by Dottie

As for her snide comments about admins she met gaining weight: hope that doesn't come back to bite you in the ass TT. Karma is not your buddy right now.

I wouldn't want to be standing next to her in a thunderstorm.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Woofy, you can do it! Have you tried Atkins? It feels like cheating after that horrible Kimkins!



I wouldn't want to be standing next to her in a thunderstorm.

From Tippy's point of view, t'is better to be mentioned in a negative light than to be totally ignored. I'm sure she searches here just for any mention of herself. Think about it. No queenie, no drama. Just silence. A fate worse than death.

[GinaC]

Originally Posted by thetruthinhiding

Becky, I know reading LCF the past few days has been hurtful for you, and I know your intentions were never to offend anyone. This post explains to everyone what I knew all along. You heart has always been in the right place, and I have known all along how guilty you feel for ever having been in the employ of Heidi and any part you had in passing on her bad advice. Bottom line in my eyes is: You didn't know. You saw the diet working for you, and your friends Christin and Deni. Heidi can be very convincing and the promise fast weight loss is about equal in value to people these days as the promise of free money. Everybody wants it. She fooled a lot of people. She fooled a lot of people that came from here. Sure there are those that were not fooled, and I suppose those people have some right to gloat, but I don't think they have the right to say you should feel guilty. Having experienced it and had it work for me as well, I can say there is a real "cult" mentality and readiness to defend the leader of a program that seems to be providing the holy grail of rapid weight loss to those who have struggled to lose at any speed their entire lives. It is time to forgive yourself as well, as these people here seem to be forgiving you.

You, Becky, are a good person, and that is evidenced by your works of writing as a whole. We have seen you pour your heart out in your blog and explain your feelings about things as they were happening. We have seen you shoulder blame. We have had a full accounting of facts and truth from you. It pained me to see you so criticized for one emotional rant when boxes and reams of your past writings tell a different story of who you are. All of us react differently when criticized or attacked, but your post here should, I hope, put this to rest for good and allow you to feel once again part of the online low-carb community. I for one, will stand by your side with pride.

theTRUTH

I know your intentions are to try to calm things down but I feel as if I've been spit on. Guess the untouchables are still untouchable.

Because I can not find it in my heart to accept Becky's "I'm sorry you made me so mad" apology, I will leave the commenting to others.

KUTGW and Kumbayaa y'all!

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by SMP

From Tippy's point of view, t'is better to be mentioned in a negative light than to be totally ignored. I'm sure she searches here just for any mention of herself. Think about it. No queenie, no drama. Just silence. A fate worse than death.

You are absolutely right. As far as she is concerned, from now on ..............

[WOOFY]

I've tried Atkins before and had a stall. In hindsight, because of a lack of nutritional education, there were things I could have done to keep losing. Now I know better. If there is a good thing from all this Kimkins fiasco, it's that I have a better understanding of nutrition, no thanks to Heidi Diaz. Like I said, I need to overcome the new mental hurdle before me. Being in here helps. Venting helps. I think I'm approaching the 'what's next?' phase, now I just to define it and make it happen.

[Katinsac]

Woofy...you are not alone. It has taken me a long time to "get back into it" after doing KK. It really makes you skeptical of any diet plan and trying again. I do know an Atkins type diet is the best for me as I am not a giant fan of veggies and fruit so I know I will probably go that way in the future but right now just trying to "start" again is hard. You will find your way. There is time and be happy you know that the next round will be a much healthier way. Just think what could have happened to you if you had stayed with KK. You can and will do it. Best of luck.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by wifezilla

Damn Terry, 9/11 was your fault too? Oh, and stop hogging the credit for global warming. That's all my doing.

And we know Kimmer is responsible for "World Hunger".

Hi Gina- Glad to see you here!! I was just thinking of you. I was hoping to further my career by becoming a professional BS detective or a dream analyst and I need you to get my credentials together. lol ....a badge, degree...you know..
Cleo is here too! You girls need to come around more often! You are missed!

[Chelveston]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

and speaking of lawsuits

I just checked on Heidi's divorce case.....
There was a hearing on the 18th--Hector had petitioned to have the spousal support decree changed.....well---he won---Heidi now gets diddley squat out of old Hector......she didn't even bother showing up for the hearing......guess she had better things to do....

either that or she figured it was a lost cause anyway......

so congrats go out to Hector on this count---but why didn't he ask the court for support from her????

Maybe he'd be happiest if he was just done with Heidi. Besides, he's re-married.

Originally Posted by MomToEli

She was a no-show for her hearing with the student loan people, too ... hmmm ... anyone have any way to find out out there if she has any sort of contempt warrants or any other kinds of warrants that would keep her from wanting to show up in court? LE gets really busy and don't get around to knocking doors on most warrants, but the courts are usually pretty diligent about keeping up on that stuff ... maybe she has a good-in-her-mind-only reason for not showing ...

Why waste her time? She knew she'd loose if she showed up. By ignoring the situation, she can justify the losses because she wasn't really trying.

I suspect that she paid the SL people off to help her "good citizen" image on the KK case.

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by OhYeahBabe

Tippy, I am curious about something you said in the comments of your blog.
You said (bolding is mine):

So on the one hand, the LCF Admins volunteer their time at a free site, doing their best to encourage other people despite their own difficulties. They are a disappointment to you.

On the other hand, there is Kimmer, who allegedly lost weight and regained it, all the while selling memberships based on her phony representations of her success, posting fraudulent pictures of herself and dozens of other people, while doling out hazardous and often abusive advice, and you stayed loyal to her. She lied and lied and lied and lied and LIED, to you and every one of her customers and every potential customer, aggressively marketing her lies all over the web. Yet you stayed loyal to her no matter what irrefutable evidence was uncovered, and said you felt her only crime was being overweight. I know you’ve turned against her now, but as little as a month ago you were still sticking up for her, saying that yep, regaining weight happens, but Kimkins is great!

Why you would hold LCF Admins to such a higher standard than you did Kimmer?

EXACTLY!!!!

I smell hypocrite...

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by WOOFY

I've tried Atkins before and had a stall. In hindsight, because of a lack of nutritional education, there were things I could have done to keep losing. Now I know better. If there is a good thing from all this Kimkins fiasco, it's that I have a better understanding of nutrition, no thanks to Heidi Diaz. Like I said, I need to overcome the new mental hurdle before me. Being in here helps. Venting helps. I think I'm approaching the 'what's next?' phase, now I just to define it and make it happen.

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Woofy...you are not alone. It has taken me a long time to "get back into it" after doing KK. It really makes you skeptical of any diet plan and trying again. I do know an Atkins type diet is the best for me as I am not a giant fan of veggies and fruit so I know I will probably go that way in the future but right now just trying to "start" again is hard. You will find your way. There is time and be happy you know that the next round will be a much healthier way. Just think what could have happened to you if you had stayed with KK. You can and will do it. Best of luck.

Woofy and Kat I know exactly what you mean. After Kimkins, I went through a big time rebellion. The deprivation does that to you. Now I am losing the recycled pounds and firmly on plan and have been since the Monday after Thanksgiving.

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

And we know Kimmer is responsible for "World Hunger".

She's doing the best she can!

[WOOFY]

I would surmise that the majority of the general population isn't nutrition savvy. It doesn't help that the "accepted" model of good nutrition that has been peddled by the FDA and most MD's for decades is now outdated. You can't trust studies anymore, because most of the time the studies link to certain pharmaceutical companies lurking in the shadows and waiting for the right moment to strike. We are told one day low fat is the way to go, the next day its low carb, then its this type of fat over that kind. Low carbing, even with overwhelming evidence that it works, is still regarded by most MD's as an alternative solution and not mainstream. That is frustrating, and thank God for the few MD's that are pushing this WOE.

It really peeves me is when people come in here and wave their fingers because we allowed ourselves to be duped, like someone did to me last month via private messages. What do you expect? There is so much (mis)information out there and people ready to prey on our lack of knowledge. It's really easy in the midst of confusion and desperation to latch on to something that purports to be the easiest and the best solution for weight loss. I've learned my lesson, and so did many of you.

Now that this semester is over, I'm finally digesting the events of the last few months. It sucks, because even though Kimkins/Heidi Diaz is now a proven fraud, I still feel some guilt for not able to stick with it. My office is having a 2008 weight lost competition which I won for 2007. I am not doing it this year. I'm eating fudge as I type this..LOL.....but I'll feel guilty about it later tonight......I'm stuck in a rut and I don't like it. This is why I'm here in this forum and for all the critics of the LCF, this has been great therapy. Thanks everyone!

[cleochatra]

It sucks, because even though Kimkins/Heidi Diaz is now a proven fraud, I still feel some guilt for not able to stick with it.

Heidi couldn't stick with it because she fabricated the diet, right out of her JabbatheHuttbutt.

I look at it this way: If the President for the Hair Club wore a toupee, then you might surmise the product either doesn't work, or it ought not, because it's no good.

Consider yourself as someone who knew better, even subconsciously. You were ahead of the game and never even knew it.

BTW, congratulations on your grades!

[Magicsmom]

Awww Woofy, I'm so sorry you're struggling. I've been there and understand exactly what you're going through. At some point, I decided I had gained back enough and didn't want to end up where I started, or worse. It is downright cruel for someone to be taking jabs at me on their blog about it. I suppose she says the same thing about all of us who regained some weight. Sometimes people do an excellent job of proving someone else's point. Never mind her...



I found a doctor who supports Atkins 100%. Have you ever read Protein Power? I love how they proved that the evil food pyramid they put out in the '70's is the very same food pyramid used by the farming industry to fatten animals for market. That's just so wrong! How could the FDA not figure out that if it fattens animals, it will fatten us?

[WOOFY]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Awww Woofy, I'm so sorry you're struggling. I've been there and understand exactly what you're going through. At some point, I decided I had gained back enough and didn't want to end up where I started, or worse. It is downright cruel for someone to be taking jabs at me on their blog about it. I suppose she says the same thing about all of us who regained some weight. Sometimes people do an excellent job of proving someone else's point. Never mind her...

I found a doctor who supports Atkins 100%. Have you ever read Protein Power? I love how they proved that the evil food pyramid they put out in the '70's is the very same food pyramid used by the farming industry to fatten animals for market. That's just so wrong! How could the FDA not figure out that if it fattens animals, it will fatten us?

Magicsmom, you must be reading my mind because I'm swinging by the bookstore tonight to pick up a copy of Protein Power!

One of my coworkers was giving me this whole "just follow the food pyramid recommendations" and I looked at her and rolled my eyes...then she goes on about "if people just ate in moderation and exercised, they wouldn't be fat."

GRRRRRRR!!

[Zbunny]

Thank you Becky. You are a class act. I hope that you aren't truly going to back out of this effort because of a misunderstanding that went way too far. Your insights and energy are much needed and appreciated.

Miss M I LOVED the video! You are a riot and the random kitty acts were perfect! Did you train them to act on cue?

Dotti, your whole post cracked me up. Here's Tippy: "Look over there! Pretty!"