Why the fascination with Kimmer? #12

[Boujie]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

I'm not sure the MCD people are on the up and up. How do we know the images are real? After the Heidi experience, I will forever question everything.

But, how do we know they're not?

I think it's ok to question - but not condemn.

Hell, I lost weight on the Grapefruit Diet years ago - stupid diet? Yep. Did I know it was stupid? Sure did. Is it my right to go on the internet and start a support site, show my before and after pics, and try to make a buck? Absolutely it is. That's not fraud. What Heidi did, was clearly was.

[LadyN]

Originally Posted by Boujie

But, how do we know they're not?

I think it's ok to question - but not condemn.

Hell, I lost weight on the Grapefruit Diet years ago - stupid diet? Yep. Did I know it was stupid? Sure did. Is it my right to go on the internet and start a support site, show my before and after pics, and try to make a buck? Absolutely it is. That's not fraud. What Heidi did, was clearly was.

Ok, but questions do lead to investigation and discovery. In this case it has been discovered that some things don't add up. Do we ignore the discrepancies? Or do we tell others?



I am not saying it is legally a fraud, but I think the plan is not healthy. That is my opinion. She does have the right to sell her product or service, but we have the right to evaluate and investigate anything that pontificates itself to be "safe and healthy" and to report our findings. That's all we are saying.

Merry Christmas!

[beachfires]

Originally Posted by Boujie

But, how do we know they're not?

I think it's ok to question - but not condemn.

Hell, I lost weight on the Grapefruit Diet years ago - stupid diet? Yep. Did I know it was stupid? Sure did. Is it my right to go on the internet and start a support site, show my before and after pics, and try to make a buck? Absolutely it is. That's not fraud. What Heidi did, was clearly was.

Questioning and digging deeper is not condemning...I think that is the point here. What is being done is being done to STOP the questioning and prevent CONDEMNING...why and how is that so difficult to understand. When something looks like an elephant you must approach it as if it were, with caution, trepidation and a certain level of respect...elephants can be extremely dangerous!!!

[wifezilla]

Exactly Sandi. Questioning is NOT condemnation.

[LadyN]

Originally Posted by wifezilla

Exactly Sandi. Questioning is NOT condemnation.

What she said!

[Boujie]

I understand what you're saying, but I guess I don't see it that way.

[beachfires]

Originally Posted by Boujie

I understand what you're saying, but I guess I don't see it that way.

The beauty of that is...it's perfectly OK for you to NOT see it that way. I won't call you names, mock you or otherwise shoot you down for it. I won't say you're a hater, a pot stirrer or a ne'er do well. You seeing something YOUR way and my seeing something MY way is EXACTLY the God intended things to be...as humans we are SUPPOSED to be DIFFERENT...get it...BEAUTY~~

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Boujie

But, how do we know they're not?

I think it's ok to question - but not condemn.

Hell, I lost weight on the Grapefruit Diet years ago - stupid diet? Yep. Did I know it was stupid? Sure did. Is it my right to go on the internet and start a support site, show my before and after pics, and try to make a buck? Absolutely it is. That's not fraud. What Heidi did, was clearly was.

Who's condemning? All I said was that I am not sure her site is on the up and up. Maybe it is, maybe it's not. I'm not convinced either way. Ummmm, last time I looked THAT was called questioning.

[lowcarbmargi]

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[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by beachfires

The beauty of that is...it's perfectly OK for you to NOT see it that way. I won't call you names, mock you or otherwise shoot you down for it. I won't say you're a hater, a pot stirrer or a ne'er do well. You seeing something YOUR way and my seeing something MY way is EXACTLY the God intended things to be...as humans we are SUPPOSED to be DIFFERENT...get it...BEAUTY~~

What she said!! It took a lot of different brains to get us to where we are today. Many people's questioning led people to check things out, and so on. I don't mind someone else seeing it differently than I do, but for them to try to shut me up because of it is not acceptable in a polite society.

[Tanner]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

The VAST majority here know your intentions are very honorable and you've done so much to help in the efforts to shed light on the Heidi saga.

Have a very Blessed Christmas and a healthy New Year my friend!

ITA - you dont see like the type to beat around the bush and shoot straight from the hip. IMO.

Have a well deserved Happy Holiday HB.

[ketosis]

Originally Posted by Boujie

But, how do we know they're not?

I think it's ok to question - but not condemn.

Hell, I lost weight on the Grapefruit Diet years ago - stupid diet? Yep. Did I know it was stupid? Sure did. Is it my right to go on the internet and start a support site, show my before and after pics, and try to make a buck? Absolutely it is. That's not fraud. What Heidi did, was clearly was.

The MCD diet is one diet online out of thousands. Tens of thousands. It was linked to Kimkins. It is fair that it is scrutinized.

You used the term "out for blood" a post or two ago.

Like LadyN said this is one thread on a board with hundreds of threads. I have seen far far worse on the playground.

[LadyN]

Originally Posted by beachfires

The beauty of that is...it's perfectly OK for you to NOT see it that way. I won't call you names, mock you or otherwise shoot you down for it. I won't say you're a hater, a pot stirrer or a ne'er do well. You seeing something YOUR way and my seeing something MY way is EXACTLY the God intended things to be...as humans we are SUPPOSED to be DIFFERENT...get it...BEAUTY~~

ITA!!! I want to see your opinion!!

[wifezilla]

Is blood low carb?

[Beaglesaroo]

Originally Posted by wifezilla

Is blood low carb?

Ever see a chunky vampire?

[beachfires]

Originally Posted by Beaglesaroo

Ever see a chunky vampire?

ROFLMAO

[Boujie]

Originally Posted by wifezilla

Is blood low carb?

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Beaglesaroo

Ever see a chunky vampire?

[**Lola**]

AS for the whole bit of "infighting" I think that you have to be "in" for that to happen. What I mean is that there are those who are flinging insults at those who participate in this thread and we respond. That is not "infighting" ; that is responding.

I didn't mean to suggest that there was fighting between people who are "in" (whatever that means) and people who are not "in"...simply that (what I percieve as) attacks on principal members of this thread/lawsuit by other principal members of this thread and/or lawsuit.

In other words, people who are all working toward the same goal fighting each other. To me that seems futile.

Like I said earlier, I don't have a dog in this fight and I don't care that much. I have my own problems to worry about. I just thought that perhaps the perspective of an outsider might be helpful to you all.

In any case....if I am totally wrong, please ignore me and don't take offense.

[Tanner]

Originally Posted by wifezilla

Is blood low carb?

Only if it is comes with a T-bone and nice hunk of beef attached !

[wifezilla]

Ok, now I am hungry

[LadyN]

Originally Posted by **Lola**

I didn't mean to suggest that there was fighting between people who are "in" (whatever that means) and people who are not "in"...simply that (what I percieve as) attacks on principal members of this thread/lawsuit by other principal members of this thread and/or lawsuit.

In other words, people who are all working toward the same goal fighting each other. To me that seems futile.

Like I said earlier, I don't have a dog in this fight and I don't care that much. I have my own problems to worry about. I just thought that perhaps the perspective of an outsider might be helpful to you all.

In any case....if I am totally wrong, please ignore me and don't take offense.

No offense taken! There just seems to be this imaginary line that has been drawn by those who oppose this thread, but say they are fighting the same fight. They have distanced themselves from the very place that has propelled this whole thing. Those who are flinging the insults at us and saying they are taking the "high" road they are the ones who drew the line; not us here. So my "in" remark was a bit snarky and was meant to be a bit snide. I am on pain meds LOL !!!!

[SMP]

Originally Posted by Boujie

I understand what you're saying, but I guess I don't see it that way.

Boujie, neither did I. I saw no connection between the MCD Lady and Kimkins, other than that unfortunate request for someone to Kimmerize their website. But others did. I don't intend to harass Heidi around the net; others feel obligated to. If I run across her or a clone, I will certainly mention it, but I won't set out to hunt her down. I put the MCD lady in a separate category AT THIS TIME! If it turns out that she didn't lose the weight, or that she "enhanced" both her loss and time frame, then she can join Heidi in the Huckster and Fraud category. But I don't feel that she is a direct offspring of this board like Kimmer/Heidi is; and therefore ignore her. But others with more suspicious feelers than me still think Heidi is the puppetmaster behind the MCD lady and who am I to tell them they're wrong? It's only wrong for me.

[wackytobeme]

Originally Posted by LadyN

emphasis added is mine:

I have been sitting here because of my broken ankle reading everything for several days now. (I have been reading since the first thread) I am quite perplexed as to why people still expect this to be a "nice, prim, and proper" place!!! I said this before and I will say it again: THIS IS ONE THREAD IN THIS WHOLE BOARD!!!! This is one place that is about an ongoing investigation into FRAUD!!! I encourage everyone to go back and at least read the first Fascination thread. There you will find people telling everyone they were mean and hateful, a lynch mob, and many other terms I will not list right now. But look closer and you will see suppositions, speculation, conjecture, musings, questions, and those who said "you are going to far" The really cool thing is that most of the things that were questioned are true!!!! Or even worse than speculated!!

I was a legal assistant/advocate for years dealing with family law. I can tell you that anytime you investigate anything you look at everything no matter how irrelevant it may SEEM!!! I just don't understand why this thread is so hounded for "so called" rabbit trails. Those rabbit trails lead somewhere and often times they lead to another piece of the puzzle. I am just saying that I don't see many of these things as unnecessary. We need to look at everything as "possibly" helping this cause.

As for the advent of opinion, I have seen many varying opinions about everything here!! WE all think for ourselves and that is why this thread even exists!! I have not agreed with everything, and I have stated my stance. I have even been disagreed with(imagine that) though I never perceived any ones disagreement with me as an attack. I have seen others who disagreed, but had such a nasty way of expressing their opinion that it rubbed everyone the wrong way. How can anyone think we don't think for ourselves?

AS for the whole bit of "infighting" I think that you have to be "in" for that to happen. What I mean is that there are those who are flinging insults at those who participate in this thread and we respond. That is not "infighting" ; that is responding. Disagreement between those who participate here is not fighting. I don't know any two people who see eye to eye on everything. Questioning does not equal fighting!!!! I have questions and so do others, but that does not mean that we are attacking anyone! This whole mess is due to how others perceive this thread, this ONE thread!!! I don't mean to be unkind, but if this makes you uncomfortable don't read!!! There are a great many things that have to be processed through to get to the truth, and it ain't pretty!!!! This is an UGLY scam. Sometimes things are not going to be all cute and cuddly as we weed out the truth. I have seen this thread self correct at times when things were off so we have a way of getting things on track when necessary.

I guess I am just rambling on right now, but I am more disturbed by some of the things being said this time.

My heart goes out to you Janessa. You have worked very hard, and I thank you. I am praying for you during this hard time. My mother passed away when I was 12, so I understand your anguish right now. I miss her, but I know where she is. Take care of yourself and have a great time with your family.

Everyone have a Merry Christmas!!

End ramblings.

I too am a *newbie* and LadyN you've articulated my thoughts quite well. I just don't see the "infighting" amongst the principal posters on this thread. I do see disagreement from time to time and it is usually respectful and civil. At the risk of sounding insulting, it seems that those who disagree with tactics, think others have gone too far and accuse the posters of being obsessed still come here and read; If it troubles people so much why submit themselves to it? People have been more than allowed to state different opinions and disagree, but when people start in with the name calling, well of course it's going to put people on the defense.
As far as the "attacks" on others besides HeidiK. From what I recall since thread 6,(that's about where I came in at) it's been towards admins, people who have power within the KK camp who still continue to promote the site and support HeidiK, in spite of all the evidence.
Also, these threads are about Heidi and Kimkins and stopping her. If there are ex-kkers ( or current kkers) looking for a different site for support there are plenty even among this board as well as other sites. I'm not sure why they would want to look to this thread for "support" that isn't what it is about. That's not to say that the posters here wouldn't be supportive or encouraging to them if they were sincerely looking for answers to clear up any confusion. I'm not sure I'm articulating myself well, especially this last paragraph. Does anyone get what I'm sayin'?