Why the fascination with Kimmer? #12

[**Lola**]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Lola- You have mentioned a map to SL's house in two different posts, but they were not maps to her house as your posts have implied, due to you using it as a reference to show how out of line we have been here on this thread in the past.

If it was a map to her house then from what starting point? It was not a street by street driving directions to her residence nor was it implied that that was the intent on my original posting of them. However, that is the tone you are attempting to set now.

Her address has been up on another blog since Sept. I believe. I only posted that she lived 1.1 miles from the local police station, in which the map showed her location as a green arrow and the police station was a red blimp. This was acquired by doing a google maps search of businesses near the address that had been available, as I said earlier, for a few months.

I have been researching and providing information on the kimkins topic since then and didn't post anything regarding SL's address.

The point is that it was not done as some careless passing fancy or done out of malice. If that was the case I would have done it months ago if I was that type of person or if I had those intentions.

It was done because one defense as to why the police did not have a report of her alleged threatening phone calls, was due to the fact that maybe she was out of the district of the police department that was contacted for verification of her claims. This was done to show that based on the very local distance of 1.1 miles to the police dept. that excuse was not feasible.

I think context in your examples or links to those posts would be a more accurate way of making your argument if that is your intention. I don't really care if our opinions of how things have been handled agree. We can agree to disagree, but I do care if the points used against me or others is not shown in the correct context.

Yes, I was referring to the Singinglass thing and the MCD thing. I think you are right there is more to the story. I didn't realize that the map didn't show her exact address....still that is just not something I personally would be confortable with seeing happen to anyone.

What I am trying to say is, I think you all got pulled into debating SingingLass on whether or not she actually called the police and whether or not people were actually harassing her.

But couldn't all of that have been avoided if no one posted her address on a blog in the first place?

And if someone did and it wasn't any of you all...then why not just say that instead of (some) sort of defending posting her address?

I do think that crosses the line and the trend (that I've found in my life) is that once boundaries are crossed then it becomes easier and easier to cross more boundaries. Before you know it, you are so far afield of your original goals that maybe who the bad guy in all of this becomes muddled. Know what I mean?

Okay, so all I was trying to say is out of respect for what you all have accomplished and are trying to do that you should not let yourselves get drug down into the muck (even a little bit)....let it be obvious who the good guys are. Don't give people who are trying to blur the truth of the situation any room to do so...by letting them say..."people are harrarssing me"..."my address was published"..."I got death threats"...etc...

I mean, if posting her (or anyone else's) address...doesn't help accomplish 1) further lawsuit, 2) shutdown website, 3) spread word of fraud, 4) get kimmer criminally prosecuted, etc...then why post her address or map her house or whatever?

As for the MCD lady, I do feel sorry for her or can imagine how scary it might be to have a bunch of anonymous people on the internet suddenly really interested in her activities, address, business, etc. I can understand that some might have thought that she was a cover for Kimkins...but it seems like those kinds of investigations would be better kept private until conformation of her involvement rather than put this woman at risk and she has nothing to do with any of this...and also not giving a head's up to kimmer.

That's all I am saying.

Let's fight the fight with dignity and integrity. Something our enemy has no clue about.

<snip>

In closing, I want to say congratulations again to all who have committed themselves to ridding the world of Kimkins.com once and for all. Bloggers, posters, underground detectives, moles, Survivors....ALL of you. Good job, well done!

I completely agree with this. After seeing the M&J show and finding this website and picking my jaw up off the floor (regarding how outrageous this Kimkins story is)...I told my sister who is an attorney about this and we were both just so impressed with the detective work that you all have done. It is truly really remarkable stuff.

Keep up the good work...just keep your eye on the prize (as they say).

[ixtapacheryl]

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this thread HAS changed to one where you do not DARE to disagree, debate or heaven forbid think for yourself."

We disagree, debate and think for ourselves all the time..... none of us are saying that if you don't agree with us you have no right to be here. All are welcome! It's the way posts are worded - accusations are made without researching the previous 10 threads.

[ixtapacheryl]

Lola: In reference to your comment on "What I am trying to say is, I think you all got pulled into debating SingingLass on whether or not she actually called the police and whether or not people were actually harassing her."

We got pulled into this because SL was accusing us of making threatening phone calls to her and she was afraid for her life. I know that this has been all above board (IMHO) and no one here made those calls. Were the calls "real" or a fabrication of her mind? No one will ever know. She then went on to say that the cops were called, etc. and it just escalated from there. Apparently NO cops had a record of her complaint.

I guess what I am trying to say is extra steps were taken because members here were accused!

In reference to your comment: "I told my sister who is an attorney about this and we were both just so impressed with the detective work that you all have done. It is truly really remarkable stuff.

Keep up the good work...just keep your eye on the prize (as they say)."

Thank you for acknowledging all the hard work so far! I know everyone here is keeping their eyes on the prize.

[Boujie]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

---the MCD will have the same effects long term psychologically and physically as Kimkins. Granted you will probably not be badgered and belittled by the owner as many were by Heidi---but the diet is still wrong.

I will continue to fight against ANY injustice I see---

You know what though? It's free enterprise.

This Chicken Lady is not being fraudulent. She's not making false claims. She hasn't stolen pics from a russian bride site and posting them as her own or others.

If I want to post a Magic Rice Diet, that's my right to do so. Just because you may not agree with it, doesn't mak e you my jury and executioner. I'm doing nothing illegal.

That's free enterprise.

Remember - Dr. Atkins had and STILL has people who would like to see his diet shut down forever. But, it works for many. What about vegans? Some swear it's horrible for you. Who are you to say? As far as I could see, the MCD is nothing more than Atkins...but all chicken.

(You being a general you....)

[HoneyBee2]

I mean, if posting her (or anyone else's) address...doesn't help accomplish 1) further lawsuit, 2) shutdown website, 3) spread word of fraud, 4) get kimmer criminally prosecuted, etc...then why post her address or map her house or whatever?

Lola I understand what you are saying. One reason it was brought up was to show how SL is not above being either be used by Heidi or two lying for Heidi as a distraction. Those have both been discussed when trying to say how SL is just an innocent in all this and if SL should be taken back into the LC community just as another person duped in all this. It is better worded and more evident in the posts that took place around the time of posting that fact of how close the PD was to her, so take a look there too. Not to say it will change your mind only that it is the reasoning behind my postings.

ETA- I didn't address you comments on the MCD, because I didn't really post on that, that I recall. I will go back and verify, but that is not one piece of researching that I can claim. I don't disagree that it looked suspicious in its website and honestly, maybe I would have posted or done the same. But I was not feeling well during that time so I didn't comment much on it or dig anything up.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by lynnjp

OK folks

I am NOT a newbie-I have been around these boards for a long time and this thread HAS changed to one where you do not DARE to disagree, debate or heaven forbid think for yourself. Anyone who does that is questioned and they must be in cahoots with Kimmer. PLEASE please stop this infighting, you HAD a MISSION, it was to stop Kimmer from hurting folks who had not taken the time to research her plan and discover that it was dangerous. It was NOT to destroy the reputations of all that had once worked there and to continue to email people who choose to continue at her board. If people make that choice they are going into it knowing full well of what the dangers are and weight loss is more important than health to them. Hopefully,this time,I will not be told to go elswehere if I disagree with the tone of the thread. When last I knew it was allowed to state your opinion without being told that you must comply and agree with all that is posted.

Lynnjp, if you'll check my past posts, you'll see that I have an opinion, and know how to use it! There are times this thread veers off course, and I and others try to steer it back. Mostly we succeed, although there are a few cannon shots along the way. Part of the present call for soul-searching is some of the corrective tone this thread has to endure at times. But this is a totally different "experiment," if you will, on LCF, and is tolerated no where else. Other sites on LCF are kinder and gentler, but the donkey work on bringing Heidi down exists here. A lot of people drop in, read 20-30 posts, think they know all there is to know, and formulate their opinions based on the 1/10th of the iceberg they see heading for the Kimtanic. As I previously posted, those who love the law and sausage should see neither being made. This is our version of making sausage. It's raw and sometimes pretty disgusting, but we're hoping the finished product will be more appealing to everyone.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by SMP

Lynnjp, if you'll check my past posts, you'll see that I have an opinion, and know how to use it! There are times this thread veers off course, and I and others try to steer it back. Mostly we succeed, although there are a few cannon shots along the way. Part of the present call for soul-searching is some of the corrective tone this thread has to endure at times. But this is a totally different "experiment," if you will, on LCF, and is tolerated no where else. Other sites on LCF are kinder and gentler, but the donkey work on bringing Heidi down exists here. A lot of people drop in, read 20-30 posts, think they know all there is to know, and formulate their opinions based on the 1/10th of the iceberg they see heading for the Kimtanic. As I previously posted, those who love the law and sausage should see neither being made. This is our version of making sausage. It's raw and sometimes pretty disgusting, but we're hoping the finished product will be more appealing to everyone.

Very well said and you did it so well! Thank you!

[Chelveston]

Originally Posted by Boujie

You know what though? It's free enterprise.

This Chicken Lady is not being fraudulent. She's not making false claims. She hasn't stolen pics from a russian bride site and posting them as her own or others.

If I want to post a Magic Rice Diet, that's my right to do so. Just because you may not agree with it, doesn't mak e you my jury and executioner. I'm doing nothing illegal.

I'm willing to bet that if you want to post a Magic Rice Diet, you won't be advertising for someone to make a "clone of Kimkins.com." That desire to look like kimkins is what brought MCD lady to our attention.

Anyone that offers anything for sale on the internet should be able to stand up under scrutiny. It may be "buyer beware," but sellers have to be ready to prove their wares.

[Nady]

Originally Posted by SMP

Lynnjp, if you'll check my past posts, you'll see that I have an opinion, and know how to use it! There are times this thread veers off course, and I and others try to steer it back. Mostly we succeed, although there are a few cannon shots along the way. Part of the present call for soul-searching is some of the corrective tone this thread has to endure at times. But this is a totally different "experiment," if you will, on LCF, and is tolerated no where else. Other sites on LCF are kinder and gentler, but the donkey work on bringing Heidi down exists here. A lot of people drop in, read 20-30 posts, think they know all there is to know, and formulate their opinions based on the 1/10th of the iceberg they see heading for the Kimtanic. As I previously posted, those who love the law and sausage should see neither being made. This is our version of making sausage. It's raw and sometimes pretty disgusting, but we're hoping the finished product will be more appealing to everyone.

Yup! And I'd like to add one thing more~ sometimes, to win a battle, you have to get down in the mud with your opponent ~ fighting the 'clean' fight won't win against someone who only knows how to fight 'dirty' ~ If it did, we would never have won the Revolutionary War!
~~~N

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

I am going to take MomtoEli's advice and chill. I have great holiday plans and time off of work to enjoy them, so that is what I am going to do. Plus, my dear hubby is pouting because I am in 'Kimkins mode' as he terms it. So, I gotta go be wifey and a few days or a week or more off may bring new and fresh perspective.

Please know that I have not just brought this to your attention. I have mentioned to Christin and Becky my feelings about Becky's harsh words...and yes, some of the responsibility lies in her hands, which I have expressed to her and Christin and John. But it also lies in the way that we handle things here on this board because this board is a major resource for people who are in the lawsuit, this board is where the lawsuit started, after all.

That being said, Merry Christmas. Enjoy your holiday season. Enjoy your friends and family and loved ones. Don't uncover anything else too deep until I come back, okay?

Merry Christmas Jeanessa have a well deserved break

[Boujie]

Originally Posted by Chelveston

I'm willing to bet that if you want to post a Magic Rice Diet, you won't be advertising for someone to make a "clone of Kimkins.com." That desire to look like kimkins is what brought MCD lady to our attention.

Anyone that offers anything for sale on the internet should be able to stand up under scrutiny. It may be "buyer beware," but sellers have to be ready to prove their wares.

True, but I don't have to prove my wares to anyone but the proper authorities, should they ask. Not to a bunch of people from another diet site looking for blood.

Don't get me wrong - no one wanted Kimkins to get her just desserts more than I (well, maybe Jeanessa ), but even I think it's gone a bit overboard.

There are plenty of copycats all around you. Advil/Motrin - it's the same thing, just different packaging. It's up to ME to decide which one I want to buy.

Outing someone for being fraudulent is one thing. Outing others simply because you can, is something else IMO.

The MCD worked for HER. So what? Let her hawk it - she's earned that right.

[WildAngel6]

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Together, we CAN make a difference.

Don't give up. We CAN do this!

Originally Posted by Kisal

Is this only for people who follow Heidi's crazy plan, or sent her money? I never did either of those things, so I can't join the lawsuit, but I'll do what I can! Just let me know!

It is for anyone who wishes to file a complaint.

[wifezilla]

Anyone that offers anything for sale on the internet should be able to stand up under scrutiny.

Exactly!!!! If asking questions about someone's business causes it to fold, it wasn't the QUESTIONS that were the problem!

(And anyone else I forgot to mention in my previous post...you rock too! -you know who you are- Sherrie, Magic's Mom, Chelv, Honeybee etc..... )

[HoneyBee2]

I just wanted to wish everyone Happy Holidays and say that I do consider y'all friends. We may not always agree but that is the way it is within any group.

I also wanted to say that since my intentions in participating in this thread have been questioned, I would clarify what my intentions are and have always been.
I have always tried to post facts and research that have been discovered not in a way to say "Oh, I got it first", but in order for us to expand and research more in what it could mean here as a group.
We have been shown that working as a group brings forth little pieces of the puzzle that if we hadn't shared would not have made the same picture.
The other reason I would post here and not only just shuttle things over to the attorney or whomever, was because I had screen shots and the information may change but it wouldn't go away. But the attorney or whomever were copied as well on things too.

I guess I got tired of feeling like many of us here were just digging up facts and then were not able to know what these things meant or how they fit. I realize that with the lawsuit pending, only so much can be said, but in all honesty I got tired of all the secrecy.
So I decided I would research and work with y'all here as a group to figure out the connections, but of course information was sent to the attorney, jeanessa, becky or all the above.
There were times that I didn't post information right away, because I wanted to verify it again and also wanted to see if the person would do the right thing.
So my posts were not out of malice or wanting to be the one to post the newest thing, like it has been said.

I know some may continue to think this, but I wanted to say that is not true.
Sure I have had a laugh or two like many here, but my reasons for posting the information I have here in this thread is, and has always been, to help in digging up what we could on Kimkins.com, kimmer, and those who help support her continue her fraud at Kimkins.com or elsewhere.
Take care-
I am off to do holiday preparations and hope all enjoy the Holidays.

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by beachfires

IF it were to be deleted "immediately" how is that the fault of the posters on THIS thread. I am honestly confused, it seems as if some people (SOME...NOT ALL) are confusing this THREAD with this FORUM.

EXACTLY!!!

I've never quite understood why some come on this thread just to stir up trouble---if you aren't happy with things here---then why read or bother to post---

I'm a super liberal---you wouldn't see me caught dead on say Rush Limbaugh, or any other conservative board---what would be the point....just as an example....

[Crohnie]

Originally Posted by Boujie

True, but I don't have to prove my wares to anyone but the proper authorities, should they ask. Not to a bunch of people from another diet site looking for blood.

Don't get me wrong - no one wanted Kimkins to get her just desserts more than I (well, maybe Jeanessa ), but even I think it's gone a bit overboard.

There are plenty of copycats all around you. Advil/Motrin - it's the same thing, just different packaging. It's up to ME to decide which one I want to buy.

Outing someone for being fraudulent is one thing. Outing others simply because you can, is something else IMO.

The MCD worked for HER. So what? Let her hawk it - she's earned that right.

Wendy always says it better than I do

[Crohnie]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

EXACTLY!!!

I've never quite understood why some come on this thread just to stir up trouble---if you aren't happy with things here---then why read or bother to post---

I'm a super liberal---you wouldn't see me caught dead on say Rush Limbaugh, or any other conservative board---what would be the point....just as an example....

because this is not a board...it is a thread on a LARGE board. Every has an axe to grind with Kimmer. We put up with her crap here for YEARS
your analogy does not work

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

...[snip]...I am intelligent. I am also vulnerable. I am also tired of explaining myself over and over and over again when all I came here to do was back everybody up and make some action happen to stop a fraud. It almost doesn't seem worth it to me anymore. I have no hidden agenda and have routinely spent 10-20 hours a week working on this with no hope of any reward save that of seeing the scam stopped. It makes me feel bitter when I have been as upfront as i can possibly be.

I'm being told I'm valued, then I'm being told I'm replaceable. I'm just tired, y'all.

What does bother me a tremendous amount is that people are being criticized and are guilty of so many things based completely on speculation and opinion. And it seems as if no one here can admit that they might be wrong. I have said again and again that I might not be right. I am willing to admit and accept that. It doesn't seem like anyone else is...and the one thing I know about debate and fact-finding, is that no one person is ever totally 100% right.

Jeanessa, I'm sorry you've gotten so worn down. Go take a well-deserved rest.

Originally Posted by Katinsac

wow...first of all, people should be in the lawsuit because the believe in what it is all about, nothing else. As far as who else is in the suit or why, it should not matter. I think using Becky as an excuse to get out is just that....an excuse. Now I know why Becky apologized.

It does not matter who is in the lawsuit or why....if you believe Heidi is a fraud and needs to be shut down....JOIN THE LAWSUIT. you are an individual and being represented as one...do not worry about the others....

YES!!!! Join the lawsuit, and do not be concerned that people you don't like or agree with are also in it. As it was posted "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

Originally Posted by Crohnie

didn't you know...opinions are not allowed in these threads

Huh? I thought this thread was about opinion mixed with facts.

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

I do wish we had a "private" website where ideas could be aired so Heidi and her people would not be privy to. I think we give her a lot of ideas - which isn't a good thing.

That is why it was suggested a while back that this be moved to the PG where banned members could not read it.

Originally Posted by Katinsac

somebody can go to chatzy dot com and start a chat room and make it private. (by invitation only w/password)....people can discuss thier thoughts openly there as long as you trust the people you let in, lol...

If someone builds it, they will come.

Originally Posted by Locarb4me

You know what. I'm realizing something.

Guys, this is war! War is never pretty. Taking out the enemy is not pleasant. We need to stop confusing what brought us all together in the first place (desire to lose weight with like-minded friends) and accept once and for all that the Fascination thread has now turned into a BATTLEGROUND. As such, it's littered with some unpleasantries. That's the nature of a battleground, people.

Our enemy has proven herself ruthless, greedy, and determined.
Heidi Diaz will not stop until the legal authorities make her stop.

Until that day, the Ducks will have their hands full and their work cut out for them. Let's fight the fight with dignity and integrity. Something our enemy has no clue about. Yeah, "right makes might" and all that

United we stand, divided, we fall.

I'm making a plea right now for those who feel the overwhelming need to snark/snap/bait at the other posters here, why not sit on your hands for a couple hours? If what you have to ask or say is that important downthread, then maybe. Otherwise I think some of us are guilty of *talking to hear our heads roar* and it's not adding value to the fight.

Had Becky stopped and thought about the consequences of her rant the other day, she might not have posted it. As it is, it's done, the bell, as someone pointed out cannot be unrung. So it is what it is. Let's deal with it and move on. She apologized, she can't do much more than that. We all say things we regret. Personally, I don't think she needs to be stoned for it anymore.

I don't always agree with every poster here. Sometimes I think things get out of hand in this thread and on the blogs too. I don't agree with a lot of what I see posted on other forums. But I let it roll off my back most of the time like...well you know... water off a duck's back. I am, after all a duck. And I genuinely care for a lot of you here. This has become community in the same way soldiers become a community, a tight-knit one, in the trenches.

What I have in common with the others is more than what separates us.

I don't feel the need to attack those with differing opinions, nor do I usually get all defensive and whiny and counterattack on those who don't agree with my comments.

If I don't like what I see here or somewhere else, I just say, "whatevah" and I move on.

I subscribe to a theory: Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. (Abe Lincoln) So, most of the time I just read and keep my opinions to myself.

Today, I wanted to talk.

In closing, I want to say congratulations again to all who have committed themselves to ridding the world of Kimkins.com once and for all. Bloggers, posters, underground detectives, moles, Survivors....ALL of you. Good job, well done!

Now that I have got that off my chest, I need to go get ready for Christmas.

I hope all have a wonderful holiday and come back all rested up and raring to go on Tuesday or whenever. Blessings and Peace to you all.

Originally Posted by wifezilla

Again...more insults. You are calling us either mindless followers or totalitarian bullies. (And not just one person has said things along these lines. It keeps happening over and over.)

THIS is what has pissed me off for the past month.

This is NOT a collective. There is no borg queen. Maybe if you saw us an individuals instead of stereotyping the thread participants as mob, a mindless group, or even soccer hooligans, you might have a better time getting your point across.

Just a hint though, insulting me is NOT the best way to get me to listen.

(Nady, Ix, Magic, Tooter, Cleo...you guys rock. Jeanessa, I know you in a tough situation. I feel for ya. You are doing the right thing.)

And YOU rock, wifezilla!

Originally Posted by Chelveston

I'm willing to bet that if you want to post a Magic Rice Diet, you won't be advertising for someone to make a "clone of Kimkins.com." That desire to look like kimkins is what brought MCD lady to our attention.

Anyone that offers anything for sale on the internet should be able to stand up under scrutiny. It may be "buyer beware," but sellers have to be ready to prove their wares.

That is SO right on!! MCD got on the radar screen because they asked for a clone of Kimkins, yet they claim to know nothing about Kimkins. Someone smell fish?

Originally Posted by Nady

Yup! And I'd like to add one thing more~ sometimes, to win a battle, you have to get down in the mud with your opponent ~ fighting the 'clean' fight won't win against someone who only knows how to fight 'dirty' ~ If it did, we would never have won the Revolutionary War!
~~~N

There is no such thing as a clean fight when you're dealing with Heidi.