Why the fascination with Kimmer? #12

[Nady]

Originally Posted by **Lola**

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Impartiality in the sense that I don't "know" any of you...I am only giving my honest impressions.

Because this is one site that google led me to after the M&J show, I have to imagine that other newbies are reading this thread and having similar impressions.

I have quite plainly stated that some of the things I have read on the last 3 threads I find objectionable. That doesn't make me "partial" or biased....simply an impression I have gotten from what I read.

Seriously, instead of taking every "criticism" as an attack perhaps consider if there might be some truth to it.

I would suggest with each action that is being criticised and then subsequently defended (MCD lady, attacking each other, posting home address, etc)...ask yourselves is this getting us further or closer from Goal A, B, C, D?



You know what I didn't mean to offend any of you in any way.

But if you don't care what sort of impression that you are making on the outside public that might be directed to this thread, well then okay.

But I would think that you would care about undermining your own efforts to shutdown kimkins.com....which is exactly what I think a small few of you are doing.

And that is sad to me because I actually think that you as a group are pretty remarkable and have accomplished something pretty darned huge.

I will go back to lurking now...I just hope that you can take my comments in the spirit they were intended.

Know what Lola? I'm going to believe you actually want to help~ but maybe in your readings, you missed the posts when we sort of do a "whoa" of our own. On several occasions, regular posters have reminded us of our focus and added a calming word or two.

As an outsider, you aren't familiar with the ups and downs of this thread~ I might remind you that the 'Fascination' thread isn't for everyone~ some people need a quieter, non-confrontational forum~ so you're right, they would not fit in here.

Please don't tell us we need to change so we 'look' better to the new member~ there are lots of other forums here at LCF that would fill almost anyone's needs, THIS thread (all 12 chapters) is different~don't tell us we need to corral our energy~ it's that energy that has made the difference over the entire LC community.

Peace~
~~~N

[Crohnie]

didn't you know...opinions are not allowed in these threads

[BamaGal]

Sheesh......

Where do you begin in all this...

First of all---for the people in the lawsuit.....forget about whoever else is in it----this lawsuit must go on---


As for the MCD thing---my opinion---for whatever it is worth---taking it down too would be just fine---Granted Heidi's marketing practices are a major problem in her case---but the diet is my biggest concern---the MCD is no less dangerous---and needs to be found out also---whether it is connected to Heidi or not---it is still unhealthy---am I being the "diet police"---maybe I am---but having dealt with an eating disorder myself for over 30 years I do not want anyone else to go through that---the MCD will have the same effects long term psychologically and physically as Kimkins. Granted you will probably not be badgered and belittled by the owner as many were by Heidi---but the diet is still wrong.

As for "following rabbit trails"---yeah I will---Heidi is just the crossroads---there are many tangents leading away from her--- as the lawsuit itself has shown---with all the added defendants---should they have not followed THOSE rabbit trails----everyone here would agree they are relevant to the case---so maybe those "other" rabbit trails need following too....

I have no stake in the lawsuit---but right is right---I will continue to fight against ANY injustice I see---I may not be able to save the world but at least I attempt to make a difference---that helps me face that person in the mirror every morning...

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by Crohnie

didn't you know...opinions are not allowed in these threads

apparently they are you express yours

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by **Lola**

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I would suggest with each action that is being criticised and then subsequently defended (MCD lady, attacking each other, posting home address, etc)...ask yourselves is this getting us further or closer from Goal A, B, C, D?

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You have repeated this a few times now, so I'm guessing it is pretty important to you. The MCD lady -- the addresses of her's that were posted are ones she herself provided on the internet, so to post them here infringes on nothing. And to put up satellite views or maps to that same location is also not any sort of infringement. Also, it would be rather hypocritical, don't you think, to object that the Kimkins Diet is dangerous and thus should be taken down, yet ignore other diets that come to light that, by their own words, are incredibly like Kimkins? Anyway, when you yourself put information in public, you don't get to decide who sees it. Can't unring the bell (as many are discovering while they come face to face with their own words).

If you are speaking of anyone else's home address, I wasn't here and can't comment on that. Oh, unless you are talking about Heidi Diaz's - re her new house. It IS fair game - people deserve to know what their fraudulently obtained $60 bought ... and you didn't object at the time, if you go back to the thread.

Heidi herself stated clearly in an email to her moderators (behind the skirt of Kimmer, that is) that it was her intention to start up a different site, where her name would not be attached. She also bragged about how she had used pen names for her writing for the last 23 years. Sounds like she is rather good at it, wouldn't you agree? How would it not be in the best interest of the pending issues as well as the stated (or perceived) goals of these threads to ferret those sites out?

Do you seriously think that people come in, read these threads and then decide, since these folks are so mean, I'm just going to go over and join Kimkins and follow her great advice? I seriously doubt it. So, if the goal is to stop people from joining KK, I'd say it's working. Unless, of course, you can offer up specific examples to the contrary?

You've asked if people here thought discussing and digging into those things are getting them closer to their goals. The vast majority have answered a resounding yes. A few have disagreed. Not agreeing with your assessment isn't refusing to allow dissenting opinions. That is a strawman that is frequently set up by people who find their opinions aren't swaying the people whose behavior or beliefs they are trying to sway.

So, let me go on record right now ... I understand you don't like what you are reading - that it makes you uncomfortable for whatever reason. And I totally do NOT agree that it is counterproductive or will alter the course this whole thing is on ... specifically, taking down KK and Heidi Diaz personally. I also will state that if the lawsuit itself is jeopardized, it will not be because of the actions of those on these threads - it may well be because of the actions of others that is exposed on these threads, however. The truth honestly could care less who is right and who is wrong. The truth simply is.

Please understand, though, that continuing to voice your dislike over and over is likely not going to change things. That is why people suggest finding a spot on this vast board that *doesn't* upset your senses.

I'm not trying to hurt you. And I simply won't engage in this any more. But as an impartial observer of your posts, I thought perhaps my perspective would help.

[anipomoni]

Originally Posted by **Lola**

I've seen in the last week or so people attack in a rather vicious way two posters (Becky and Jeanessa) who just seemed to be airing their opinions.

So when they say whatever they want, they are "airing their opinions" but when we respond with our opinions, we are "attacking""????

Originally Posted by jeanessa

The reasons I have been given are as follows:

"Please have Becky removed from the lawsuit or I will no longer be able to participate."

"I am no longer comfortable with Becky as a key class rep. I would like more information on Becky's role in Kimkins if I am going to continue to participate in the lawsuit."

etc, etc, etc.

Jeez Jeanessa....the way you originally worded it, I (along with most others) assumed that people were leaving the lawsuit b/c they didn't like us talking about Becky, or speculating on her motives.

Originally Posted by MorganMacLeoid

OK.. First.. people are not leaving the lawsuit out of respect for Becky as some have said, they're leaving because they're pissed at Becky for her callous and unthinking recent posts.

That is not LCF's fault, that is Becky's fault!

Uhhh......YEAH!!! I don't understand how that's anyones fault but Becky's? I don't understand how people HERE are supposed to prevent Becky's words? I don't understand how people HERE are being reprimanded for what BECKY caused?????

Put's the whole "apology" in a new light doesn't it?

Originally Posted by **Lola**

I just say that to say, for example in recent case of Becky, she seemed very sincere in her distress over things that went on over here and expressed that in a reasonable way and yet now suddenly she has become persona non grata.

Similarly, with Jeanessa in the last thread I was very surprised to see a few very nasty posts directed at her because she didn't seem to join in, in the bash becky party.

You should take a good look at peoples responses to Jeanessa throughout these threads. 99% of the time people are bowing down to her.

And personally, in my OPINION (am I allowed to have one without being accused of "attacking?") Becky feels completely ROBBED by Kimmer. She admitted as much with talk of the loan and affiliate fees, etc. She wants revenge on Kimmer. Hopefully she will get it.
I believe if Kimmer was a better boss and didn't try to screw her employees...they would still be there.

I forgot to quote whoever touched on this a few pages back but, I don't think any of the key players are into this b/c of the health aspects. If they a gave a damn, the MCD issue wouldnt have gotten their panties in a bunch.. Face it, they got screwed and they want payback. Go for it...but let's not put them on a pedestal people.

[lynnjp]

OK folks

I am NOT a newbie-I have been around these boards for a long time and this thread HAS changed to one where you do not DARE to disagree, debate or heaven forbid think for yourself. Anyone who does that is questioned and they must be in cahoots with Kimmer. PLEASE please stop this infighting, you HAD a MISSION, it was to stop Kimmer from hurting folks who had not taken the time to research her plan and discover that it was dangerous. It was NOT to destroy the reputations of all that had once worked there and to continue to email people who choose to continue at her board. If people make that choice they are going into it knowing full well of what the dangers are and weight loss is more important than health to them. Hopefully,this time,I will not be told to go elswehere if I disagree with the tone of the thread. When last I knew it was allowed to state your opinion without being told that you must comply and agree with all that is posted.

[jeanessa]

I am going to take MomtoEli's advice and chill. I have great holiday plans and time off of work to enjoy them, so that is what I am going to do. Plus, my dear hubby is pouting because I am in 'Kimkins mode' as he terms it. So, I gotta go be wifey and a few days or a week or more off may bring new and fresh perspective.

Please know that I have not just brought this to your attention. I have mentioned to Christin and Becky my feelings about Becky's harsh words...and yes, some of the responsibility lies in her hands, which I have expressed to her and Christin and John. But it also lies in the way that we handle things here on this board because this board is a major resource for people who are in the lawsuit, this board is where the lawsuit started, after all.

That being said, Merry Christmas. Enjoy your holiday season. Enjoy your friends and family and loved ones. Don't uncover anything else too deep until I come back, okay?

[anipomoni]

Originally Posted by lynnjp

OIK folks

I am NOT a newbie-I have been around these boards for a long time and this thread HAS changed to one where you do not DARE to disagree, debate or heaven forbid think for yourself. Anyone who dares to do that is questioned and they must be in cahoots with Kimmer. PLEASE please stop this infighting, you HAD a MISSION, it was to stop Kimmerr from hurting folks who had not taken the time to research her plan and discover that it was dangerous. It was NOT to destroy the reputations of all that had once worked therre and to continue to email people who choose to continue at her board. If people make that choice they are going into it knowing full well of what the dangers are and weight loss is more important than health to them. Hoepfully this time I will not be told to go elswehere if I disagree with the tone of the thread. When last I knew it was allowed to state your opinion without being told that you must comply and agee with the rest of the crew.

Um ok, sounds like the problem is we DO "think for ourselves!!" That's what T's everyone off. Everyone loves us as long as we wear blinders and chant "Get Kimmer, Get Kimmer, Get Kimmer..." but the second we open our eyes, look around, question ANYthing else, we are "attacking," "destroying," "terrorizing," etc. JEEZ!!

I don't know about anyone else here, but I ALWAYS think for myself. I USUALLY have a dissenting opinion and am ALWAYS the devils advocate (this exhausts most of my family and friends). I have a feeling most people here are the same way. Hell...wanna bet Kimmer would be cha-chinging all the way to the bank to this day if it weren't for people like this??

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

That being said, Merry Christmas. Enjoy your holiday season. Enjoy your friends and family and loved ones. Don't uncover anything else too deep until I come back, okay?

If anyone does, I promise to save the links for ya

Have a great holiday! See you soon.

[WildAngel6]

Thank you for your blog post, Margi!

Joining the Campaign Against Kimkins - Vox

Folks, do stop in to read and post a comment on Margi's blog!

Margi, please DO consider joining us on the Say NO to Kimkins Web Ring too!

If everyone here helps to spread the word, we WILL be heard.

Thank you, everyone!

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by anipomoni

Um ok, sounds like the problem is we DO "think for ourselves!!" That's what T's everyone off. Everyone loves us as long as we wear blinders and chant "Get Kimmer, Get Kimmer, Get Kimmer..." but the second we open our eyes, look around, question ANYthing else, we are "attacking," "destroying," "terrorizing," etc. JEEZ!!

I don't know about anyone else here, but I ALWAYS think for myself. I USUALLY have a dissenting opinion and am ALWAYS the devils advocate (this exhausts most of my family and friends). I have a feeling most people here are the same way. Hell...wanna bet Kimmer would be cha-chinging all the way to the bank to this day if it weren't for people like this??

I agree with your comments.

I wanted to add that sometimes these disagreements spur more ideas - more fact finding - more discoveries, etc. It's not always a bad thing. We aren't beating up on one another - we might disagree or challenge posts - but in the end it could turn out for the better. One poster's comment might give someone else an idea - a new lead to track down, etc.

I do wish we had a "private" website where ideas could be aired so Heidi and her people would not be privy to. I think we give her a lot of ideas - which isn't a good thing.

[ketosis]

Originally Posted by Crohnie

didn't you know...opinions are not allowed in these threads

Other than wanting these threads shut down and popping in with a comment whenever there is dissent to remind us all that you want Tom to yank the Kikins threads do you have any other reason to be here? Seriously.

[ketosis]

Jeanessa I understand what you are saying. The lawsuit has been a huge burden on your shoulders as well as others, some visible some not. I hope it succeeds and I truly hope I have not posted anything that has caused anyone to rething their participation.

I find I get angry when I see some posts or posters who I believe muddy the waters but I am guilty of losing my temper as well.

If there is anything I can help with please pm me or let me know. I will stick to blogging and commenting on blogs. I am trying to back away from this thread because of the recent turmoil for my own benefit. But I do believe in stopping Heidi and am willing to contribute my time and skills to help any way I can. I am not sure posting here is the best way I can do that.

Have a very safe and happy holiday however you celebrate everyone.

[Chelveston]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

The reasons I have been given are as follows:

"Please have Becky removed from the lawsuit or I will no longer be able to participate."

"I am no longer comfortable with Becky as a key class rep. I would like more information on Becky's role in Kimkins if I am going to continue to participate in the lawsuit."

etc, etc, etc.

All together now! "The enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Originally Posted by MorganMacLeoid

OK.. First.. people are not leaving the lawsuit out of respect for Becky as some have said, they're leaving because they're pissed at Becky for her callous and unthinking recent posts.

That is not LCF's fault, that is Becky's fault! Becky made a huge error in judgement and made some bad posts and we talked about it here and aired our personal feelings about it and speculated as to the possible motivations and causes behind it. We're allowed to do that. Please don't try to spin it like LCF is the cause of people leaving the lawsuit because we discussed Becky's dumb posts. Go to the source, always.

Well said!

Originally Posted by Katinsac

wow...first of all, people should be in the lawsuit because the believe in what it is all about, nothing else. As far as who else is in the suit or why, it should not matter. I think using Becky as an excuse to get out is just that....an excuse.

Yes!

Originally Posted by lynnjp

... It was NOT to destroy the reputations of all that had once worked there and to continue to email people who choose to continue at her board. If people make that choice they are going into it knowing full well of what the dangers are and weight loss is more important than health to them.

The stories at Kimkins Survivors would indicate that most do not go "into it knowing full well of what the dangers are." I think you are dead wrong on that one.

Originally Posted by jeanessa

That being said, Merry Christmas. Enjoy your holiday season. Enjoy your friends and family and loved ones. Don't uncover anything else too deep until I come back, okay?

Enjoy your time away.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

I am praying for you and your Mom.

We'll try not to cause too much trouble while you're gone

[Nady]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

I agree with your comments.

I wanted to add that sometimes these disagreements spur more ideas - more fact finding - more discoveries, etc. It's not always a bad thing. We aren't beating up on one another - we might disagree or challenge posts - but in the end it could turn out for the better. One poster's comment might give someone else an idea - a new lead to track down, etc.

I do wish we had a "private" website where ideas could be aired so Heidi and her people would not be privy to. I think we give her a lot of ideas - which isn't a good thing.

I agree with this also~ This thread is different from the rest of the board~ maybe because it started on the Playground (famous for it's irreverence) or because the subject matter makes it necessary to wear a certain amount of armour when here~ Face it~ in order to put a stop to this, we have to be tougher than Heidi. Not much room for 'kinder/gentler'~ I think everyone here goes to other forums for that~
~~~N

[Crohnie]

Originally Posted by ketosis

Other than wanting these threads shut down and popping in with a comment whenever there is dissent to remind us all that you want Tom to yank the Kikins threads do you have any other reason to be here? Seriously.

People DO read here everyday. ALot of people. There are so MANY conversations going on behind the scenes.

I have every right to be here as you do. I had many debates with Kimmer. I also have noticed that Kimkins is a diet that is allowed to post here. How hypocritical. Unless everyone agrees with the pack, then it is ok. Shall I start a new thread about kimmer and that it has gotten overboard. It will be deleted immediately

Thanks anyways

JMHO

[beachfires]

Unless everyone agrees with the pack, then it is ok. Shall I start a new thread about kimmer and that it has gotten overboard. It will be deleted immediately

Thanks anyways

JMHO

IF it were to be deleted "immediately" how is that the fault of the posters on THIS thread. I am honestly confused, it seems as if some people (SOME...NOT ALL) are confusing this THREAD with this FORUM.

[Crohnie]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

apparently they are you express yours

yah and get jumped on for it. You guys are losing your mission. Stay focused on Kimmer and cut out the BS. I think that would be most helpful.
Leave the other people alone


PS...disclaimer...I know NONE of the other people. Just what I am seeing here

[Crohnie]

Originally Posted by beachfires

IF it were to be deleted "immediately" how is that the fault of the posters on THIS thread. I am honestly confused, it seems as if some people (SOME...NOT ALL) are confusing this THREAD with this FORUM.

because it would be deletred based on who reported it HERE.......

THis thread and many others are also in OTHER PLANS. where other diets are going on.,..including Kimkins