Why the fascination with Kimmer? #12 - Page 25

Sherrie_lc · 12-22-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanessa

Furthermore, I think Heidi has shown all of us that she has no intention of stopping unless the law steps in and stops her, which is why I initiated the lawsuit in the first place. You can drag her name through the mud and post until your fingers fall off and she will continue to do what she's been doing this entire time. She doesn't care what we think of her or if anybody thinks she's a scam as long as there are people willing to pay for her service and despite the fact that we have announced to all and sundry that Kimkins is, at every point, an unhealthy scam, people continue to sign up because their hope of losing weight far outweighs anything we have to say...and that will continue until she's shut down.

AGREE 100% Ultimately its the FTC that is going to stop this train wreck once and for all, I wish they would hurry up and get on with it!

WildAngel6 · 12-22-2007, 10:01 PM

I've added MisMerize's YouTube video on How To Join A Lawsuit to the Zimbio site. Hopefully that will help get the word out too.

YouTube - How To Join A Lawsuit - Kimkins - Zimbio

If we ALL try to find just one more place where we can add the video or a link to the Kimkins Class Action Lawsuit Weblog, imagine how much further we can help to spread the word.

Sherrie_lc · 12-22-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by WildAngel6

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Originally Posted by oatmealyumyum
Larcana PM just yet.
It wasn't long enugh to go that deep and go to the hospital thank goodness and thanjk you for enlightening me.
I know doctors but there education LOL just doesn't rub off on me.
I am not an expert and I am always willing to lean. I do want to be a trainer some day but a trainer will never know as much as a doctor or Nurse practitioner.
Yes I do feel Singing lass is way addicted to Ketosis a lot of the ex kimmer members said they experience the same.

Starving is like ecstasy use for anorexia sufferers - health - 02 October 2007 - New Scientist

Thanks for that Laura

Sherrie_lc · 12-22-2007, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by beachfires

Jeanessa...I was with my Mom thru her diagnosis of stage 4 metastatic lung cancer, the cancer moved to her spinal column and invaded all 4 sections of it. She lost the use of her legs and slowly (over a period of 7 months) faded away from me. It was the HARDEST thing I have ever done and the most gratifying. After ALL that my Mom had done for me, this was the VERY BEST THING that I could do for her. Please know that when she is gone, she is only gone from your sight...she will never be any further away than your next heartbeat. I lost my Mom on Good Friday this year ( leave it to her to give Jesus a run for his money ) and I have missed her every minute of every day but...knowing that I can bring her back to my head and my heart with just a thought is a good thing. The pain will fade, the joy will grow...Godspeed to you and please...just remember...she will only go when she is ready to go, there will be no regrets on her part, therefore, you owe it to her to make sure there are none on your part.
Merry Christmas

I also wanted to tell you of a wonderful thing my brother, sister and I did for her this past Christmas (her last). We contacted family and friends and let them know that this would be Mom's last Christmas and asked them to send an ornament that represented a wonderful memory of my mother for them, along with a short noted explaining what the ornament represented. I was ASTOUNDED at the amount of people who responded and incredibly touched as I read each note to my mom as we placed the ornaments on the tree.

This year, I am returning those ornaments to the sender, along with my own note letting each person know just how much their memory meant to my mom. I have NEVER in 45 years gotten so much joy from sending gifts as I did this year.

They say..."what goes around, comes around"...all I can say is...AMEN

Take care...

Wow Sandi that is so beautiful, it really is!

emmyjane · 12-22-2007, 11:20 PM

:delurking:
I haven't posted for quite a while but have been occasionally "trying" to follow what's going on (although probably missing alot of the details!)

Just my .02... there have been many people who have worked hard in an attempt to bring down Kimmer and her business, and as has been stated before, people have many different motivations (justice, anger, concern for safety of others, etc.). There's probably some more selfish motivations, but hey, if it helps the cause, so what. It's been an amazing and educational process...

IMO, I think that the effort to bring down Kimmer was (and continues to be?) sidelined by what seem to be personal baggage against non-key individuals. I stopped posting when that started happening... it really didn't "feel" right.

But this whole reaction to Becky has disturbed me, and someone please pm me if I'm totally missing something, but...

I have read parts of Becky's, Deni's, and Christin's blogs, and I really don't know what people expect from them-- I suspect if they'd disappeared into a corner and kept quiet, they'd be accused of not using their celebrity status to Help get the word out! I don't think that they are able to please everyone no matter what they do, so I think they are just doing the best they can. I read Becky's blog when she first exited (or was banned/ whatever) from KK, and I remember thinking it seemed... ambiguous and confusing. I didn't really understand parts of it, and honestly, I couldn't understand why she wasn't more angry or horrified ... but you know what? I realized that not having been in her shoes, I would Never truly understand why she reacted as she did.

It seems to me that Jeannessa has, probably more than any other (with exception to the "other" heidi!), put her neck out to stop "the kimmer". The fact that she is saying that Becky/Christin/Deni are devoting so much time and effort to the lawsuit is enough for me to ignore this current speculation and judgement about Becky's motivations. This is, afterall, their real life... not some message board drama that they can turn off and walk away from .... they have their real name on legal proceedings- forever.

So, in a nutshell, the proof is in the (low-carb) pudding. And from what I have read... the lawsuit is the biggest pudding force in town, and is freezing Kimmer's assets and having an immediate effect right now. Not that there's not bigger desserts for Kimmer down the road (so to speak), and that other people haven't devoted significant time and signed petitions/etc., getting the word out, blogging, ETC...

I am guessing that for many, many people, their friendship to Becky is more important than some lawsuit hassle over $60... For people that are "iffy" on even being involved in the lawsuit, I can certainly believe that they would "pull out" or "not join" the lawsuit simply out of respect for Becky (even if that's not what she herself would want them to do!).

Anyhow, that's just my take.

YMMV.

:returning to lurk mode:

Bunnymuffin · 12-23-2007, 02:30 AM

So um,

I suffer from insomnia and that leads to lots of thoughts cavorting around my head during odd hours of the night/morning. And one of those thoughts lead me to this idea.

There were a lot of people that heard of Kimkins of the first time via this magazine like me, but unlike me paid good monies for something that was posted here for free. A good number of those paying customers may still purchase that cheap rag and read up on the next greatest eating disorder inducing craze.

My thought was that we take a page out of Postsecret's book. A lot of fans of the site go into book stores and slip their own secrets into the books. What if there was an underground movement to slip notes into the current issues of this rag (WW) with a blurb about about how the magazine promoted a dangerous diet and if they were a victim to join the lawsuit? The note wouldn't have to be long and would include the url for the join the lawsuit site.

Legions of covert operators slipping warnings into this magazine during the busiest diet season of the year, guiding the uninformed ex KKers to information for justice and liberty for all!

MomToEli · 12-23-2007, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by beachfires

I also wanted to tell you of a wonderful thing my brother, sister and I did for her this past Christmas (her last). We contacted family and friends and let them know that this would be Mom's last Christmas and asked them to send an ornament that represented a wonderful memory of my mother for them, along with a short noted explaining what the ornament represented. I was ASTOUNDED at the amount of people who responded and incredibly touched as I read each note to my mom as we placed the ornaments on the tree.

This year, I am returning those ornaments to the sender, along with my own note letting each person know just how much their memory meant to my mom. I have NEVER in 45 years gotten so much joy from sending gifts as I did this year.

They say..."what goes around, comes around"...all I can say is...AMEN

Take care...

What an incredible gift - for you, your mom and for those who sent them in the first place. What a wonderful idea - and it touched so many different people!

wackytobeme · 12-23-2007, 04:39 AM

I guess I'm not getting it about people maybe dropping out of the lawsuit. The lawsuit is about stopping Heidi because of what she's done and is still doing. It's not about helping the LCF or any other forum for that matter, so I guess I just don't get what peoples reluctance would have to do with anything going on here. I haven't read much at other forums where ex-kker's (or present for that matter)are congregating, but is there any promotion of joining the lawsuit on these other sites?
I joined the lawsuit even while still a member at KK's because she (heidiK) lied to me with her pictures and stories and did not deliver what she promised. I never really was physically harmed because I didn't do the plan....was waiting to see what maintenance looked like ....of course I did finally get banned...the day of the depo...not sure if was what I posted (first time posting) or because she had everyone's name on the lawsuit and was getting rid of us?
Anyway, don't know if this post is making sense, but I just don't get it, the lawsuit isn't about promoting LCF, negative nancys or the "hater's. It's about stopping HeidiK. If people are pulling out to get back at people over here, then it makes me wonder what kind of people they are?

wackytobeme · 12-23-2007, 04:52 AM

Also, Jeanessa, I too am sorry about your situation with your mom and am praying for your endurance and peace during such a difficult circumstance (along with the other things going on in your life as well)
It has occurred to me that even though I sent my affidavit in a while back I haven't followed up to make sure it was received. I sent it regular mail, straight to John. Do you have a list of names that have sent in the affidavits or should I contact John to make sure he has it?
Thanks

ixtapacheryl · 12-23-2007, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MissMerize

You bring up a good point here, a concerned citizens letter or something to that effect.

Perhaps John T. knows of some additional petition or something that can be used - but there is an online petition, and isn't that worth something? I know there are at least 550 sign ups on that (I was # 550)

Yes letters can be written to the Judge - and they will be entered into the file. They will be recorded and both attorneys will receive copies. Worth a try! In fact it should show up on the court website where her case is listed - it will show up as recorded and copies sent out. At least in Wisconsin they do it that way.

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Originally Posted by Nady

And what if the lawsuit doesn't fly? Does that mean that Heidi wins?? That she shouldn't be stopped? She is making money by selling eating disorders. Please don't forget that~ it's not just about her taking people's money~ it's about how she is harming the health of naive people (like teenagers).

Those who are undecided about joining the lawsuit might want to think about how they'd feel if their sister/daughter/niece/friend got sucked into this mess~ about watching them turn into another Isabelle Caro

~~~N

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Originally Posted by cleochatra

So, the FTC and other agencies have no power to shut her down...

I don't believe that. I am not at all buying that serious litigants would step out of a lawsuit because of the discussions and fact finding at this board. In fact, I don't believe it at all.

Yes the FTC can bring charges against her. IMHO the Class Action Lawsuit just started it - then everyone that alerted the BBB, FTC, IRS, foster kid agencies, etc. plus all the press and news shows have definitely helped. They can independently bring charges against her.

ixtapacheryl · 12-23-2007, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by beachfires

Jeanessa...I was with my Mom thru her diagnosis of stage 4 metastatic lung cancer, the cancer moved to her spinal column and invaded all 4 sections of it. She lost the use of her legs and slowly (over a period of 7 months) faded away from me. It was the HARDEST thing I have ever done and the most gratifying. After ALL that my Mom had done for me, this was the VERY BEST THING that I could do for her. Please know that when she is gone, she is only gone from your sight...she will never be any further away than your next heartbeat. I lost my Mom on Good Friday this year ( leave it to her to give Jesus a run for his money ) and I have missed her every minute of every day but...knowing that I can bring her back to my head and my heart with just a thought is a good thing. The pain will fade, the joy will grow...Godspeed to you and please...just remember...she will only go when she is ready to go, there will be no regrets on her part, therefore, you owe it to her to make sure there are none on your part.
Merry Christmas

I also wanted to tell you of a wonderful thing my brother, sister and I did for her this past Christmas (her last). We contacted family and friends and let them know that this would be Mom's last Christmas and asked them to send an ornament that represented a wonderful memory of my mother for them, along with a short noted explaining what the ornament represented. I was ASTOUNDED at the amount of people who responded and incredibly touched as I read each note to my mom as we placed the ornaments on the tree.

This year, I am returning those ornaments to the sender, along with my own note letting each person know just how much their memory meant to my mom. I have NEVER in 45 years gotten so much joy from sending gifts as I did this year.

They say..."what goes around, comes around"...all I can say is...AMEN

Take care...

What a beautiful post ... it brought tears to my eyes.

Thank you and God Bless you and your family!

Beaglesaroo · 12-23-2007, 06:00 AM

I've got a couple more pages to read, so forgive if this point has been made ...

So, if the majority are on these other sites, it seems to me the problem isn't LCF...It's the posters on those other sites who are spreading, how shall I say this...MISINFORMATION and TWISTING things that are said here.

And yet somehow the folks here are getting 'blamed' and 'called out'.

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Originally Posted by CarolynF

The majority of the people who were involved with KKins are on Jimmy and Amy's site..I don't know how many have signed up there.

If the lawsuit doesn't fly, then Heidi keeps on keeping on, I guess.

Beaglesaroo · 12-23-2007, 06:12 AM

Actually, ItsTheWoo HAS been mentioned...I read some posts that acknowledged her -- you must've skipped over those.

p.s. flies and vinegar and all that...

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Originally Posted by Holliday05

There are several prolific posters on this very thread that were bashing TheWoo for claiming that some (Christin specifically) were being less than altruistic in coming out against Kimmer. But lo and behold, new info comes out to back up TheWoo, and yet nary a whisper of "I was wrong".

Classy!

Sheridan · 12-23-2007, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cleochatra

What if Jeanessa was currently being pressured by a plaintiff over how certain people seem to see things here? Wants us quieted and is giving her grief as though there's anything she can do about it? For some reason, it just doesn't feel far-fetched. You know. Someone who dislikes LCF and took a moment recently to say some very questionable things about this board. Someone like that could affect how other plaintiffs see things. I'm not sayin'. I'm just sayin'.

Let's not forget that Jeanessa has a LOT going on right now; she's trying to keep umpteen plates spinning and not let a single one fall. Have you ever been in that spot? I have. When life is very full and stressful it makes it all that much easier to listen to or take advice from someone without giving it as much critical analysis as one might ordinarily give it. Just sayin'.

Are these people dropping out because they're being prompted to, however obliquely? Because personalities aside, I can not believe this is happening, unless the cult mentality is that strong. Like I said before, some people just have to follow and some just have to have a follow-ing. Those who need a follow-ing are very adept with subtle suggestions on how their follow-ers can please them by the actions they take or don't take.

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Originally Posted by JustKim

I have no idea...I'd just like to see if there are ways we can start to target the majority of the 40,000 that are not online.

I'm not very familiar with Craig's List, but do they have a section where people could post information about how to join the class action suit? I know a lot of people read / use that. Didn't Heidi use Craig's List in her viral marketing scheme?

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Originally Posted by Holliday05

There are several prolific posters on this very thread that were bashing TheWoo for claiming that some (Christin specifically) were being less than altruistic in coming out against Kimmer. But lo and behold, new info comes out to back up TheWoo, and yet nary a whisper of "I was wrong".

Classy!

Hey, it's real classy to skip over posts and then accuse people, too! WTG! This has already been addressed.

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Originally Posted by jeanessa

Don't mistake me, Heidi can be shut down. She has committed major fraud and it is easy for any court to see this because of all of the work that has been done on this board and as a result of this board. Yes, the civil lawsuit will not result in ciriminal charges against Heidi. But it will pressure the Attorney's General office and the FTC to do so.

Now, would be a good time to write the AG's office in California. I know we have before, but their offices have made numerous efforts in the last few weeks to begin an investigation on Kimkins. This would be an excellent place now to voice our concerns and share out knowledge of the fraud.

That's very encouraging news about the AG! Let's all make it a priority to contact their office before this year ends.

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Originally Posted by jeanessa

It's not all about the lawsuit, but don't just throw it down as nothing. John has worked so hard on this, he's stepped out and done what many, many, many other attorneys were unwilling to do. He is extremely proactive and has talked to many of his colleagues (in and out of the AG's office) and has furthered our cause.

I really don't think anyone here is throwing it down as nothing. It's important, yes.

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Originally Posted by jeanessa

That's your opinion and you may be right, but how can we fix things? How can we move on and stop people from leaving and promote growth instead of decline?

See, this really puzzles me as I just can't believe people are leaving for the reasons you've been given for them leaving. I think you're a very intelligent and savvy gal, Jeanessa, but right now you are vulnerable. I'll go on record right here and say that I think there's a very good chance you have been lied to with respect to the 'reason' people have dropped out of the lawsuit. The reason you've been given as to 'why' people are leaving does not make sense, period. Why would so many people cut off their nose to spite their face??

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Originally Posted by jeanessa

Don't spend money! Please, don't. This is already taken care of, I can't talk about it.

Aw honey, I know what it's like to be in your shoes, not being able to explain certain things. As long as the "don't tell" comes from John T., I understand. If the "don't tell" is coming from someone else, you really need to weigh that critically and carefully.

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Originally Posted by MomToEli

Are you sure that "moving on" really serves your purpose? Seems to me that "staying put" has fed tons of really useful information to the case. Why would anyone want that to stop now?

And, why are they really leaving? Are they leaving because of a forum where ideas are tossed all around, or are they leaving because they fear what they perceive one or more of the major litigants may be? Do you even know? If you know, who told you - unless it is John himself, question the source. And if you don't know,is it possible to find out?

The questions being asked here are being asked all over the internet. Here is just a bigger target to shoot at.

You fix things by getting to the truth. Jeanessa, the truth is what is going to win this. Not the filtered truth. And it sure won't be won by stiffling the truth.

This is likely going to get much more uncomfortable before it's over.

Snipped for brevity. MomtoEli, these are my thoughts, as well.

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Originally Posted by JessieBear

I would be willing to file a friend of the court brief on this as I am not qualified to join the suit (I never joined KK). If anyone hears which judge will be hearing this case and has the relevent case number and other pertinent information, please let me know.

I would be willing to do this, too, but I'm ignorant as to how to go about it. Someone with this knowledge PLEASE let us know how we can help in this way.

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Originally Posted by wackytobeme

I guess I'm not getting it about people maybe dropping out of the lawsuit. The lawsuit is about stopping Heidi because of what she's done and is still doing. It's not about helping the LCF or any other forum for that matter, so I guess I just don't get what peoples reluctance would have to do with anything going on here. I haven't read much at other forums where ex-kker's (or present for that matter)are congregating, but is there any promotion of joining the lawsuit on these other sites?

Very, VERY little! LCF has always been, and continues to shoulder the 'burden' of promoting joining the lawsuit.

jeanessa · 12-23-2007, 07:58 AM

The reasons I have been given are as follows:

"Please have Becky removed from the lawsuit or I will no longer be able to participate."

"I am no longer comfortable with Becky as a key class rep. I would like more information on Becky's role in Kimkins if I am going to continue to participate in the lawsuit."

etc, etc, etc.

John chose the ten or so named class reps based on who he spoke with and the fact that he wanted the case tried in California because of its Business and Professionals Code 17200. He asked my opinion because I was the person who initially contacted him and had provided him with most of the information he has about the scam.

John tells me what I can and can not talk about, no one else. He has allowed all of us to talk about very, very little.

I am intelligent. I am also vulnerable. I am also tired of explaining myself over and over and over again when all I came here to do was back everybody up and make some action happen to stop a fraud. It almost doesn't seem worth it to me anymore. I have no hidden agenda and have routinely spent 10-20 hours a week working on this with no hope of any reward save that of seeing the scam stopped. It makes me feel bitter when I have been as upfront as i can possibly be.

I'm being told I'm valued, then I'm being told I'm replaceable. I'm just tired, y'all.

What does bother me a tremendous amount is that people are being criticized and are guilty of so many things based completely on speculation and opinion. And it seems as if no one here can admit that they might be wrong. I have said again and again that I might not be right. I am willing to admit and accept that. It doesn't seem like anyone else is...and the one thing I know about debate and fact-finding, is that no one person is ever totally 100% right.

Barbara B · 12-23-2007, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BamaGal

BRAVO!!!!

well said.....

you will find a link in my sig live for all the daily links wild Angel AKA Laura posts.....be sure and check it out---

we are making a difference there---example yahoo answers---Heidi used this to place numerous planted endorsements----in the Kimkins search alone we have reported many things---got it down from over 100 just kimkins questions to only 66 at last count---

every little bit helps.....

Yes, and we have 20 RipOff Reports now as well!

Crohnie · 12-23-2007, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanessa

The reasons I have been given are as follows:

"Please have Becky removed from the lawsuit or I will no longer be able to participate."

"I am no longer comfortable with Becky as a key class rep. I would like more information on Becky's role in Kimkins if I am going to continue to participate in the lawsuit."

etc, etc, etc.

John chose the ten or so named class reps based on who he spoke with and the fact that he wanted the case tried in California because of its Business and Professionals Code 17200. He asked my opinion because I was the person who initially contacted him and had provided him with most of the information he has about the scam.

John tells me what I can and can not talk about, no one else. He has allowed all of us to talk about very, very little.

I am intelligent. I am also vulnerable. I am also tired of explaining myself over and over and over again when all I came here to do was back everybody up and make some action happen to stop a fraud. It almost doesn't seem worth it to me anymore. I have no hidden agenda and have routinely spent 10-20 hours a week working on this with no hope of any reward save that of seeing the scam stopped. It makes me feel bitter when I have been as upfront as i can possibly be.

I'm being told I'm valued, then I'm being told I'm replaceable. I'm just tired, y'all.

What does bother me a tremendous amount is that people are being criticized and are guilty of so many things based completely on speculation and opinion. And it seems as if no one here can admit that they might be wrong. I have said again and again that I might not be right. I am willing to admit and accept that. It doesn't seem like anyone else is...and the one thing I know about debate and fact-finding, is that no one person is ever totally 100% right.

you are good peeps

controlledcarb · 12-23-2007, 08:26 AM

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I am guessing that for many, many people, their friendship to Becky is more important than some lawsuit hassle over $60... For people that are "iffy" on even being involved in the lawsuit, I can certainly believe that they would "pull out" or "not join" the lawsuit simply out of respect for Becky (even if that's not what she herself would want them to do!).

I'm going out on a limb here....

You're assuming folks may be leaving the lawsuit due to their feelings of goodwill toward Becky and not the other way around - what if the lawsuit is sheilding some people that should not be "protected" against being named in the lawsuit itself because they're now a plaintiff within the action against Kimmer (Heidi)?

controlledcarb · 12-23-2007, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanessa

The reasons I have been given are as follows:

"Please have Becky removed from the lawsuit or I will no longer be able to participate."

"I am no longer comfortable with Becky as a key class rep. I would like more information on Becky's role in Kimkins if I am going to continue to participate in the lawsuit."

etc, etc, etc.

John chose the ten or so named class reps based on who he spoke with and the fact that he wanted the case tried in California because of its Business and Professionals Code 17200. He asked my opinion because I was the person who initially contacted him and had provided him with most of the information he has about the scam.

John tells me what I can and can not talk about, no one else. He has allowed all of us to talk about very, very little.

I am intelligent. I am also vulnerable. I am also tired of explaining myself over and over and over again when all I came here to do was back everybody up and make some action happen to stop a fraud. It almost doesn't seem worth it to me anymore. I have no hidden agenda and have routinely spent 10-20 hours a week working on this with no hope of any reward save that of seeing the scam stopped. It makes me feel bitter when I have been as upfront as i

12-23-2007, 02:30 AM	#726
Bunnymuffin Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 220 Gallery: Bunnymuffin Stats: 287/205/Trophy Wife WOE: Heck if I know at this point! Start Date: June 5 2007	Woman's World Magazine So um, I suffer from insomnia and that leads to lots of thoughts cavorting around my head during odd hours of the night/morning. And one of those thoughts lead me to this idea. There were a lot of people that heard of Kimkins of the first time via this magazine like me, but unlike me paid good monies for something that was posted here for free. A good number of those paying customers may still purchase that cheap rag and read up on the next greatest eating disorder inducing craze. My thought was that we take a page out of Postsecret's book. A lot of fans of the site go into book stores and slip their own secrets into the books. What if there was an underground movement to slip notes into the current issues of this rag (WW) with a blurb about about how the magazine promoted a dangerous diet and if they were a victim to join the lawsuit? The note wouldn't have to be long and would include the url for the join the lawsuit site. Legions of covert operators slipping warnings into this magazine during the busiest diet season of the year, guiding the uninformed ex KKers to information for justice and liberty for all! __________________ I am THE SINISTER BUNNYMUFFIN!!! Marbles or no marbles, you don't forget evil like that.~Glitch-Tinman

12-23-2007, 04:39 AM	#728
wackytobeme Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 259 Gallery: wackytobeme	I guess I'm not getting it about people maybe dropping out of the lawsuit. The lawsuit is about stopping Heidi because of what she's done and is still doing. It's not about helping the LCF or any other forum for that matter, so I guess I just don't get what peoples reluctance would have to do with anything going on here. I haven't read much at other forums where ex-kker's (or present for that matter)are congregating, but is there any promotion of joining the lawsuit on these other sites? I joined the lawsuit even while still a member at KK's because she (heidiK) lied to me with her pictures and stories and did not deliver what she promised. I never really was physically harmed because I didn't do the plan....was waiting to see what maintenance looked like ....of course I did finally get banned...the day of the depo...not sure if was what I posted (first time posting) or because she had everyone's name on the lawsuit and was getting rid of us? Anyway, don't know if this post is making sense, but I just don't get it, the lawsuit isn't about promoting LCF, negative nancys or the "hater's. It's about stopping HeidiK. If people are pulling out to get back at people over here, then it makes me wonder what kind of people they are? __________________ EasyPeas "So then.... that would make you.... a pot stirring pot stirrer that stirs pots!!! Cool." Join The Lawsuit Lose weight fast Do you know this person? Want to know more about KimKins

12-23-2007, 04:52 AM	#729
wackytobeme Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 259 Gallery: wackytobeme	Also, Jeanessa, I too am sorry about your situation with your mom and am praying for your endurance and peace during such a difficult circumstance (along with the other things going on in your life as well) It has occurred to me that even though I sent my affidavit in a while back I haven't followed up to make sure it was received. I sent it regular mail, straight to John. Do you have a list of names that have sent in the affidavits or should I contact John to make sure he has it? Thanks Last edited by wackytobeme : 12-23-2007 at 04:59 AM.

12-23-2007, 07:58 AM	#735
jeanessa Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: The Great Lakes State Posts: 573 Gallery: jeanessa Stats: 289.6/289.6/??? WOE: Atkins Start Date: 4/19/08	The reasons I have been given are as follows: "Please have Becky removed from the lawsuit or I will no longer be able to participate." "I am no longer comfortable with Becky as a key class rep. I would like more information on Becky's role in Kimkins if I am going to continue to participate in the lawsuit." etc, etc, etc. John chose the ten or so named class reps based on who he spoke with and the fact that he wanted the case tried in California because of its Business and Professionals Code 17200. He asked my opinion because I was the person who initially contacted him and had provided him with most of the information he has about the scam. John tells me what I can and can not talk about, no one else. He has allowed all of us to talk about very, very little. I am intelligent. I am also vulnerable. I am also tired of explaining myself over and over and over again when all I came here to do was back everybody up and make some action happen to stop a fraud. It almost doesn't seem worth it to me anymore. I have no hidden agenda and have routinely spent 10-20 hours a week working on this with no hope of any reward save that of seeing the scam stopped. It makes me feel bitter when I have been as upfront as i can possibly be. I'm being told I'm valued, then I'm being told I'm replaceable. I'm just tired, y'all. What does bother me a tremendous amount is that people are being criticized and are guilty of so many things based completely on speculation and opinion. And it seems as if no one here can admit that they might be wrong. I have said again and again that I might not be right. I am willing to admit and accept that. It doesn't seem like anyone else is...and the one thing I know about debate and fact-finding, is that no one person is ever totally 100% right. __________________ My Personal Blog Big is Beautiful Join the fight to stop the fraud! Kimkins Lawsuit Once you go quack, you never go back!

12-22-2007, 10:01 PM	#722
WildAngel6 MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cali Posts: 1,187 Gallery: WildAngel6 WOE: Atkins	I've added MisMerize's YouTube video on How To Join A Lawsuit to the Zimbio site. Hopefully that will help get the word out too. YouTube - How To Join A Lawsuit - Kimkins - Zimbio If we ALL try to find just one more place where we can add the video or a link to the Kimkins Class Action Lawsuit Weblog, imagine how much further we can help to spread the word.

12-22-2007, 11:20 PM	#725
emmyjane Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 187 Gallery: emmyjane Stats: a bit much/ pretty good WOE: moderate carbs Start Date: 2002	:delurking: I haven't posted for quite a while but have been occasionally "trying" to follow what's going on (although probably missing alot of the details!) Just my .02... there have been many people who have worked hard in an attempt to bring down Kimmer and her business, and as has been stated before, people have many different motivations (justice, anger, concern for safety of others, etc.). There's probably some more selfish motivations, but hey, if it helps the cause, so what. It's been an amazing and educational process... IMO, I think that the effort to bring down Kimmer was (and continues to be?) sidelined by what seem to be personal baggage against non-key individuals. I stopped posting when that started happening... it really didn't "feel" right. But this whole reaction to Becky has disturbed me, and someone please pm me if I'm totally missing something, but... I have read parts of Becky's, Deni's, and Christin's blogs, and I really don't know what people expect from them-- I suspect if they'd disappeared into a corner and kept quiet, they'd be accused of not using their celebrity status to Help get the word out! I don't think that they are able to please everyone no matter what they do, so I think they are just doing the best they can. I read Becky's blog when she first exited (or was banned/ whatever) from KK, and I remember thinking it seemed... ambiguous and confusing. I didn't really understand parts of it, and honestly, I couldn't understand why she wasn't more angry or horrified ... but you know what? I realized that not having been in her shoes, I would Never truly understand why she reacted as she did. It seems to me that Jeannessa has, probably more than any other (with exception to the "other" heidi!), put her neck out to stop "the kimmer". The fact that she is saying that Becky/Christin/Deni are devoting so much time and effort to the lawsuit is enough for me to ignore this current speculation and judgement about Becky's motivations. This is, afterall, their *real life... not some message board drama that they can turn off and walk away from .... they have their real name on legal proceedings- forever. So, in a nutshell, the proof is in the (low-carb) pudding. And from what I have read... the lawsuit is the biggest pudding force in town, and is freezing Kimmer's assets and having an immediate effect right now*. Not that there's not bigger desserts for Kimmer down the road (so to speak), and that other people haven't devoted significant time and signed petitions/etc., getting the word out, blogging, ETC... I am guessing that for many, many people, their friendship to Becky is more important than some lawsuit hassle over $60... For people that are "iffy" on even being involved in the lawsuit, I can certainly believe that they would "pull out" or "not join" the lawsuit simply out of respect for Becky (even if that's not what she herself would want them to do!). Anyhow, that's just my take. YMMV. :returning to lurk mode: