Why the fascination with Kimmer? #12

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by MorganMacLeoid

All the more reason that a representative of a lawsuit against Heidi should probably not make broad, sweeping statements that insult an entire message board where many of the potential and current plaintiffs are, and have / could come from.

Just doesn't make sense.

You want people to join the lawsuit? Great! We all do. Lawsuit representatives shouldn't go calling LCF a bunch of mean old nasty haters and offending people that could be very strong allies in the case against Heidi, KWIM?

We are ALL needed in this fight, every single one of us, from the researchers, to the plaintiffs, to the bloggers and fact finders, all of us.

I got the sense that this thread was being blamed for people leaving the lawsuit over the doubts raised here about people's motives and agendas - well, that might not have come up if said people never posted irate rantings that insulted everyone here, yanno?

It just bugs me that anyone who raises a question or doubt here gets slammed and accused of being "us vs them" and deterring people from actually helping take Kimkins down, etc.. when its fine and dandy to go around calling everyone here haters and other such names.

Enough of the hypocrisy, lets just get this darn thing done already. We don't have to like everyone else that's on the lawsuit to sign up for it.. so please.. go sign up for it.

Guess I should have read further before I replied ... what she said!

[CarolynF]

Thanks, Laura..We all have "homework" to do, right?

[RockyMtnAngelEyes]

No way should anyone not take what Jenessa seriously!

No, it's not 'meshing' as Cleo put it, but that's no reason to blow it off, as if it's not something serious...


Hope you're having a fun time with your party Jenessa..

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by JustKim

I have no idea...I'd just like to see if there are ways we can start to target the majority of the 40,000 that are not online.

Before anyone spends money, though, be sure to make sure it makes a significant difference. Is sheer numbers what makes the case viable, or is there other evidence that is needed?

[jeanessa]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

I take her seriously. I simply don't consider the decision of folks to pull out of a lawsuit because people on this board are looking into things Becky has said and when she has said it as the responsibility of the folks here. That responsiblity needs to lie with Becky for spewing venom in the first place.

That's your opinion and you may be right, but how can we fix things? How can we move on and stop people from leaving and promote growth instead of decline?

[MJR]

Originally Posted by JustKim

Okay, how can we go about and get more word out to people to join the lawsuit? It would seem the people we really need to start targeting are the the NON-online people.

I was thinking about radio PSAs? Do you think something like that could be of benefit? I would think it could even be free. There's over a million people here in Cincinnati...and even if a PSA only got through to 10 people - it would be worth it wouldn't it?

Cincinnati is only one city. If we could do it 10-20 metropolitan areas across the country - heck that increase our numbers too signifcantly I would think.

Originally Posted by MomToEli

But I'll bet they do take ads. How about taking one out?

I was thinking the same thing.
I'd be willing to contribute to the cost.

Originally Posted by jeanessa

Okay, I am having a party, so I have not been able to the comments here. To update everyone, here goes.

I think a solid 1000 people would be a sound number for the judge in this case. I believe that with focus and all of our continued efforts that number is easily attainable. There have been lots of people joining the lawsuit, but not as many as I would have liked.

Don't mistake me, Heidi can be shut down. She has committed major fraud and it is easy for any court to see this because of all of the work that has been done on this board and as a result of this board. Yes, the civil lawsuit will not result in ciriminal charges against Heidi. But it will pressure the Attorney's General office and the FTC to do so.

Now, would be a good time to write the AG's office in California. I know we have before, but their offices have made numerous efforts in the last few weeks to begin an investigation on Kimkins. This would be an excellent place now to voice our concerns and share out knowledge of the fraud.

I hope that none of us stop digging, but I really do hope that we are digging the right holes, that's all.

Those who doubt my intentions, PM me or email me and I can answer any questions you might have about who I am and what I am all about.

Thanks Jeanessa.
I'd be happy to write to whomever, if it will help the cause. These are the kinds of things that we need here. Specific instructions on what to do and how to help out where it's needed. Not badmouthing what we do on our own to get at the truth (not saying you do that, but others have). Thanks again for being specific in your needs.

[jeanessa]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Before anyone spends money, though, be sure to make sure it makes a significant difference. Is sheer numbers what makes the case viable, or is there other evidence that is needed?

Don't spend money! Please, don't. This is already taken care of, I can't talk about it.

[RockyMtnAngelEyes]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

It's not all about the lawsuit, but don't just throw it down as nothing. John has worked so hard on this, he's stepped out and done what many, many, many other attorneys were unwilling to do. He is extremely proactive and has talked to many of his colleagues (in and out of the AG's office) and has furthered our cause.

Ummmmm, I don't think I have 'thrown it down as nothing'! It is important! At the same time, there are people that may not realize {or have forgotten} that there is actually more going on.. All I was doing is reminding them of that...

[CarolynF]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

Don't spend money! Please, don't. This is already taken care of, I can't talk about it.

Thanks, Jeanessa..You saved us a bunch of money.

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

I hope that none of us stop digging, but I really do hope that we are digging the right holes, that's all.

Thing is, we won't know if it's the right hole until it's pretty darned deep, ya know? But just look at all the predicitions that it was ALL for naught not that long ago ...

Don't lose faith, kiddo.

[jeanessa]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Thing is, we won't know if it's the right hole until it's pretty darned deep, ya know? But just look at all the predicitions that it was ALL for naught not that long ago ...

Don't lose faith, kiddo.

I won't, thanks for the encouraging words. I have party people to attend to, so I will catch y'all on the flip side...maybe I'll be back sooner than I thought, who knows?

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

That's your opinion and you may be right, but how can we fix things? How can we move on and stop people from leaving and promote growth instead of decline?

Are you sure that "moving on" really serves your purpose? Seems to me that "staying put" has fed tons of really useful information to the case. Why would anyone want that to stop now?

And, why are they really leaving? Are they leaving because of a forum where ideas are tossed all around, or are they leaving because they fear what they perceive one or more of the major litigants may be? Do you even know? If you know, who told you - unless it is John himself, question the source. And if you don't know,is it possible to find out?

The questions being asked here are being asked all over the internet. Here is just a bigger target to shoot at.

You fix things by getting to the truth. Jeanessa, the truth is what is going to win this. Not the filtered truth. And it sure won't be won by stiffling the truth.

There is more than one way for Heidi to lose her financial gains. A civil suit is certainly one of those. But everything she has can also be confiscated if determined to be gotten by fraudulant means. That one is always nice. Saves the taxpayers money since it helps fund the agency that confiscates it

I'm sure John has worked really long and hard at this. And he doesn't get paid if he doesn't win. What is he telling you he needs? You said 1000 was a good number ... how many do you have now? PM it if you don't want the world to know.

You've not chosen an easy path. You have a formidable enemy who will muster all the forces she can to stop you. Am I not right in thinking that YOU are actually the one who started the lawsuit, and everyone else came in to that part of it later? I haven't read everything about this, so I don't know for sure. I'm not talking about being the first one to question the photos and the whole Kimmer thing, but the one to actually instigate the lawsuit. This is likely going to get much more uncomfortable before it's over.

[JessieBear]

Originally Posted by beachfires

This was just sent to me....unreal!!!!


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I just looked to see the new layout and they are charging now. I guess that Flippy must live on a planet where December 22 is New Years Day.

Originally Posted by wackytobeme

I don't know that it's a "membership fee" persay I've heard it was a "donation" to the site. But if you have to donate to get access then it's really a fee...right?

Correct. A donation is a voluntary offer, a subscription is mandatory. DOnations that give additional access rights are still donations, but subscriptions that determine access at all are a different can of worms.

[JessieBear]

Originally Posted by Larcana

Temp threadjack!
Oatmealyumyum,
I went to your site and read your Q&A section....there is a difference between ketosis and ketoacidosis...you said you had DKA because of some diet in high school? Were you treated with IV fluids and insulin? That's the therapy for it. I am a doctor and have treated this deadly condition.
Are you diabetic? You can PM me if you don't want to discuss this in this thread. Anyway you cannot become addicted to it, like you said Singing Lass is. She may be addicted to the feeling of deep ketosis.
Here's how it goes: Ketone build up fed state= 0.1mmol/liter
Overnight fast = 0.3 mmol/l, Lowcarb induction= 1-3 mmol/l, >20 days fasting =10 mmol/l, DKA =25 mmol/l
As you can see there is a difference. By the way all cells except red blood cells, retine and cornea cells, use ketones for energy. They are not destructive except to those cells if they build up.
Sorry if everyone else already knows this stuff.
Lauren

Lauren, thanks for your posts here. They have been very informative!

[WildAngel6]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

And does everyone here know how the webring works? Go on one of the sites, Ie: affiliatescams and find the webring icon. It looks like a media player with a forward button and back button.

Mine is located on the bottom left of the page.

Anyway, you will find the buttons on every page that is in the ring. You can easily forward/reverse through blogs, and it makes it easy to check for updates and leave comments.

Comments and activity on these blogs are important. Our information is spread further into the web and can alert/save more people.

If you haven't done it yet, please make the rounds. It's fast and easy with the ring.



I gotta go now, but I'll be making the rounds on the morning.

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

O.K. MissM, you have me completely confused about this webring thing.

MissMerize is referring to our Say NO to Kimkins Web Ring.

A web ring is a way to link like-minded sites together in an effort to help to increase traffic and search engine ranking; in other words, to help spread the word about Kimkins. You can explore the web ring by clicking on the ring link on each page of the web ring.

Webring - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We currently have 18 blogs linked together. We are hoping to get other Kimkins bloggers to join us. There is strength in numbers. If you have a Kimkins related blog (or website) and would like to team up with us, please click on the link above.

The web ring is also a great way to make the rounds of the Kimkins blogs. You can use it to visit each one. Oh, and please do feel free to leave comments when you visit the blogs too.

[ketosis]

Originally Posted by Holliday05

There are several prolific posters on this very thread that were bashing TheWoo for claiming that some (Christin specifically) were being less than altruistic in coming out against Kimmer. But lo and behold, new info comes out to back up TheWoo, and yet nary a whisper of "I was wrong".

Classy!

You know if her approach had been classy as well instead of arrogent and condescending she would not have received the same response.

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by Nady

Isn't that just great~ that they would judge the merit of a fraud suit based on whether their friend was mad at some of the participants? I guess I'm getting old~I remember when people did the right thing just because it was the right thing to do. :sigh:
~~~N

BRAVO!!!! well said.....

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Thanks, Laura..We all have "homework" to do, right?

you will find a link in my sig live for all the daily links wild Angel AKA Laura posts.....be sure and check it out---

we are making a difference there---example yahoo answers---Heidi used this to place numerous planted endorsements----in the Kimkins search alone we have reported many things---got it down from over 100 just kimkins questions to only 66 at last count---

every little bit helps.....

[beachfires]

Originally Posted by JessieBear

I just looked to see the new layout and they are charging now. I guess that Flippy must live on a planet where December 22 is New Years Day.



Correct. A donation is a voluntary offer, a subscription is mandatory. DOnations that give additional access rights are still donations, but subscriptions that determine access at all are a different can of worms.

there is a DONATION button on the "home page"...once you click on the link to the "CampFire" there is a "pay now" button for the $19.95 registration fee...I feel SICK

[JessieBear]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

It's not my intention to verbally shame any of you. I don't believe I have blinders on, perhaps I am wrong. I am working with an attorney in the hopes of getting Kimkins shut down not because of the money, I could have taken the refund she attempted to give me if that was the case. Do I intend to follow Heidi around to see that she never scams another human being again? Nope, most certainly not. I don't have the time, energy or inclination to do that. I hope that doesn't make me a bad person.

Jeanessa, In every well balanced team there are visionaries, implementers, researchers, devil's advocates, and about 12 other roles in one shade or another. In many cases, we play more than one role, but with a preference for specific activities. If you are energized in your role, you are in the correct role. If your energy is being drained, you are not. SImple as that. Thae whats good and leave the rest behind. Someone else whose temperament is suited will pick up the slack.

Originally Posted by wifezilla

Question....

Can "friend of the court" letters be sent to the judge?

I would be willing to file a friend of the court brief on this as I am not qualified to join the suit (I never joined KK). If anyone hears which judge will be hearing this case and has the relevent case number and other pertinent information, please let me know.

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

I won't, thanks for the encouraging words. I have party people to attend to, so I will catch y'all on the flip side...maybe I'll be back sooner than I thought, who knows?

This place is more addictive than that Christmas Crack I made earlier today - that my dh is finishing up as we speak!

You'll be back (in my best Arnold voice, which is really bad, I might add)

[ketosis]

Jeanessa thank you for speaking out here tonight. I wish you strength in dealing with all of this as well as your Mother's illness.

[Sherrie_lc]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

I need some time away from the boards and the blogs and everything. I keep trying to agree with some of the stuff that is said and I am finding increasingly that I can't.

I will continue to work with John and organize those who are interesting in joining the lawsuit, so if you have anything you want John to look into, please email him and I'm sure he'll have questions for me about it.

Even though I don't post here everyday, I read everything diligently, but right now, I am seriously discouraged and won't be doing that. I just need some time away, I guess.

I have been working very closely with Christin, Becky & John over the last two months to hash out the legal stuff. It's been a lot of work, very time-consuming and extremely stessful for all three of us. We've all spent SO much time on this. I chose to work with these lovely ladies and I don't regret it one bit. I knew that they were technically forced out of Kimkins and it didn't bother me then and it doesn't bother me now. I knew about their hurt, anxiety, frustration, feelings of injustice and desire for revenge. They are human, after all. I still like them, admire them and respect them. It's difficult to read what is being said about them and their motives. I'm in tears as I write this - and I don't cry over this type of stuff easily. I know all of the timelines and have spoken at length with both Becky & Christin about their involvement with Kimkins, their feelings about Heidi and even their thought processes and decisions towards the end of their affiliation with Kimkins. It hasn't been my endeavor to judge them, I just wanted to get to the bottom of Heidi's fraud and stop it.

I've also been SO encouraged, inspired and invigorated b