Why the fascination with Kimmer? #12

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by Larcana

Thanks Barb,
I was a regular people before I became a doc...I didn't go to med school until I was 38...this next year I'm 48! Ack!!!!
Anyway, I sort of have KK to thank for finding you guys...and although this is a serious thread...it is funny a lot.
Humor can be the best medicine. I try not to take myself to seriously.
Lauren

I wish you were MY doc! Please keep posting. I love to read your posts!

[jeanessa]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Interesting thing about crystal balls - many times while you think are you are able to discern what someone means you are really only seeing your own reflection. And I'm certainly not the first to broach this in the last few pages of this thread, but I have broad shoulders. If making me the collective "you" works better for you, so be it. I hope it all works out well for you. And I have total confidence that the truth will come out. I really do hope that all of you are totally who you appear to be at first glance. The truth is a funny thing ... once it starts, there is no stopping it.

Again, I'm really sorry to hear about your mom. This is a lousy time of year to have to work through all of that emotionally, as well.

I don't feel like reading into what you are saying. I have four things going at once, including friends on their way for a holiday party, and helping my dear neice wrap her Christmas gifts, so it may be lazy of me, but can you just say it plain for me? That way I can respond to the best of my ability?

[Kisal]

I'm so far behind! I was just about ready to accept Becky's apology, but I remembered back in the dark ages of my life, when I was a supervisor at a government agency (I had to handle all the irate clients), going through a training session in which we were taught that the words a person speaks or writes when they're angry contain more real truth than those spoken or written when they're all cool and calm and choose their words with care. You can all take that or leave it, as you wish.

For whomever it was who questioned the "donation" required to gain access to a certain forum, money can only be considered to be a donation if it is given freely, with nothing received in return. I learned that when I was a volunteer at the Humane Society (we got in a bit of trouble!) In order for that $19.95 (or whatever it is) to be considered a donation, people would have to be allowed access to the forum even if they chose not to pay any money. That applies regardless of whether the forum owner has her site registered with the IRS as a tax-exempt organization. Charging simply to gain access to her forum is no different than charging a "fee for service."

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

I don't feel like reading into what you are saying. I have four things going at once, including friends on their way for a holiday party, and helping my dear neice wrap her Christmas gifts, so it may be lazy of me, but can you just say it plain for me? That way I can respond to the best of my ability?

Sure. I've been trying to do just that. Why are you giving people a bad time about pursing other things that are popping up in all of this? Why keep calling those things rabbit trails, distractions, disservices, or whatever other descriptions have been used to attempt to discredit them? You said you didn't have it in you to go beyond shutting down Kimkins. That's cool It's easy to see why that is, and even if it wasn't it wouldn't be anyone's business. But you (and others - Becky immediately comes to mind) seem to have the energy to come here and give other people a bad time for following those trails. Why is that?

You are getting these questions simply because you are the latest one to pop in and say such things (or say them somewhere else on the internet). So, this isn't personal to you personally - rather "you", the group who are doing this.

[jeanessa]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Sure. I've been trying to do just that. Why are you giving people a bad time about pursing other things that are popping up in all of this? Why keep calling those things rabbit trails, distractions, disservices, or whatever other descriptions have been used to attempt to discredit them? You said you didn't have it in you to go beyond shutting down Kimkins. That's cool It's easy to see why that is, and even if it wasn't it wouldn't be anyone's business. But you (and others - Becky immediately comes to mind) seem to have the energy to come here and give other people a bad time for following those trails. Why is that?

You are getting these questions simply because you are the latest one to pop in and say such things (or say them somewhere else on the internet). So, this isn't personal to you personally - rather "you", the group who are doing this.

Since you have spoken very plainly to me, I will speak very plainly to you. Most of this, I'm not even supposed to say, but I am so very tired and just about fed up with everything.

The lawsuit isn't done. We need more class reps in order to be certified in the end or this whole thing was for nothing. I am losing class reps as we speak just because of the things that you and others are questioning here. There are people who live and die by the opinions expressed in this board. Those people happen to be part of the lawsuit. When they think that the "principals" of the lawsuit have a hidden agenda, they no longer want to participate...and all the work I've done on the lawsuit is a moot point.

While Heidi's assets are frosen, they can easily be unfrozen in the event that the lawsuit is not certified or we lose. So, you'll find some of the lawsuit reps coming in here trying to smooth things over so that we can continue to work together in order to stop Kimkins.

At this point, though, I'm wondering if its going to work at all. Because it's beginning to look like it won't and I am powerless to stop it. So, I am bow to the wisdom of the group and may the chips fall were they fall.

[Chelveston]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

The lawsuit isn't done. We need more class reps in order to be certified in the end or this whole thing was for nothing. I am losing class reps as we speak just because of the things that you and others are questioning here. There are people who live and die by the opinions expressed in this board. Those people happen to be part of the lawsuit. When they think that the "principals" of the lawsuit have a hidden agenda, they no longer want to participate...and all the work I've done on the lawsuit is a moot point.

While Heidi's assets are frosen, they can easily be unfrozen in the event that the lawsuit is not certified or we lose. So, you'll find some of the lawsuit reps coming in here trying to smooth things over so that we can continue to work together in order to stop Kimkins.

At this point, though, I'm wondering if its going to work at all. Because it's beginning to look like it won't and I am powerless to stop it. So, I am bow to the wisdom of the group and may the chips fall were they fall.

Am I reading you correctly?

You're saying that because the motives of some of the principals are being questioned on the boards/blogs, other people are pulling out of the law suit?

or are the principals thinking of pulling out?

If it is these "other" people, we all need to be reminded that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Heidi is THE enemy.

[JuliaL]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

For the record, this Christmas Crack is sinful. Totally sinful. And evil.

Oh, and thank goodness I lined the pan with the foil. The foil sticks to this stuff. Next time (did I say next time? Maybe next YEAR!) I will butter the foil so perhaps it won't stick.

I made DH go out and get me saltines McLurky, you are an evil genious - that's all I'm sayin'

[mama MIA]

Originally Posted by cleochatra

None of them quit until folks were outing the information and the fraud--and, incidentally, mention of investigations and possible lawsuits.

Then there was some concern. Then the lawsuit. Then a load of concern coupled with "I'm a darling... and you can see my writing here! And view my video here! Now, don't you love me? Aren't you thankful I exist? Without me, where would you be?"

Are you saying they should have quit before they knew there was fraud and the information on Heidi was outed? I'm not getting that.
Many people didn't leave Kimkins till after the fraud came out. It seems like a damn if you do or don't.

[cleochatra]

Jeanessa is a good person, and I understand that the onus is to get the lawsuit going and to keep it going. I don't care if Soupy Sales was in on the lawsuit. If he was a knowing arbiter of Kimkins fraud, he should be helping. It's a matter of principal. Those helping with the lawsuit who worked for Kimkins SHOULD help. They should. They owe karma a huge 'un. We don't owe them. They owe society.

I will say that this thread would have continued on, even without the lawsuit (with no disrespect at all meant to Jeanessa because she kicks the butt). This thread is going to live on as long as the fraud is perpetuated and as long as innocent people are losing their money and their health. There are still discoveries being made and agencies being contacted. There are new articles showing up, new news shows televising the truth. As long as there is damage control to the low-carb world needing to be fixed, this thread will be here.

Kimkins has hurt the entire low-carbing world, and I think it is telling that, globally, people are mad as hell, and stepping forward to state that they're not taking it anymore.

We're not spinning our wheels here. We are seeing the slow wheels of the locomotive of justice just starting to very slowly turn. All aboard, folks. This trip is just beginning.

[becksterinindy]

Originally Posted by JuliaL

I made DH go out and get me saltines McLurky, you are an evil genious - that's all I'm sayin'

Dang Julia .... quick.... call him.... Club crackers are soooo much better

[jeanessa]

Originally Posted by Chelveston

Am I reading you correctly?

You're saying that because the motives of some of the principals are being questioned on the boards/blogs, other people are pulling out of the law suit?

or are the principals thinking of pulling out?

If it is these "other" people, we all need to be reminded that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Heidi is THE enemy.

It is the "other" people.

[Crohnie]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

Since you have spoken very plainly to me, I will speak very plainly to you. Most of this, I'm not even supposed to say, but I am so very tired and just about fed up with everything.

The lawsuit isn't done. We need more class reps in order to be certified in the end or this whole thing was for nothing. I am losing class reps as we speak just because of the things that you and others are questioning here. There are people who live and die by the opinions expressed in this board. Those people happen to be part of the lawsuit. When they think that the "principals" of the lawsuit have a hidden agenda, they no longer want to participate...and all the work I've done on the lawsuit is a moot point.

While Heidi's assets are frosen, they can easily be unfrozen in the event that the lawsuit is not certified or we lose. So, you'll find some of the lawsuit reps coming in here trying to smooth things over so that we can continue to work together in order to stop Kimkins.

At this point, though, I'm wondering if its going to work at all. Because it's beginning to look like it won't and I am powerless to stop it. So, I am bow to the wisdom of the group and may the chips fall were they fall.

I could see this happening. enough is enough

Janessa...sorry it may not pan out

[cleochatra]

Originally Posted by mama MIA

Are you saying they should have quit before they knew there was fraud and the information on Heidi was outed? I'm not getting that.
Many people didn't leave Kimkins till after the fraud came out. It seems like a damn if you do or don't.

If there are folks who left because they felt the plan was bad or because there was something going on they didn't agree with and then quietly got on board to stop things, that's one thing.

When there are folks who were booted or left because of the fraud or who left because of the lawsuit and ensuing investigations and then proceeded to make a large amount of noise instead of working quietly and behind the scenes to mete out justice, it makes me wonder what the underlying agendas and motives really are.

There's no unconditional damning going on.

I think real remorse and meekness metes itself out with less fanfare and advertising than what I've been seeing.

[Crohnie]

Originally Posted by cleochatra

Jeanessa is a good person, and I understand that the onus is to get the lawsuit going and to keep it going. I don't care if Soupy Sales was in on the lawsuit. If he was a knowing arbiter of Kimkins fraud, he should be helping. It's a matter of principal. Those helping with the lawsuit who worked for Kimkins SHOULD help. They should. They owe karma a huge 'un. We don't owe them. They owe society.

I will say that this thread would have continued on, even without the lawsuit (with no disrespect at all meant to Jeanessa because she kicks the butt). This thread is going to live on as long as the fraud is perpetuated and as long as innocent people are losing their money and their health. There are still discoveries being made and agencies being contacted. There are new articles showing up, new news shows televising the truth. As long as there is damage control to the low-carb world needing to be fixed, this thread will be here.

Kimkins has hurt the entire low-carbing world, and I think it is telling that, globally, people are mad as hell, and stepping forward to state that they're not taking it anymore.

We're not spinning our wheels here. We are seeing the slow wheels of the locomotive of justice just starting to very slowly turn. All aboard, folks. This trip is just beginning.

no, this thread will live on as long as Tom ALLOWS it to go on. Plain and simple. When LCF decides it is done, it is done


no, you are right, no you are right....way to go on being right

JMHO

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

Since you have spoken very plainly to me, I will speak very plainly to you. Most of this, I'm not even supposed to say, but I am so very tired and just about fed up with everything.

The lawsuit isn't done. We need more class reps in order to be certified in the end or this whole thing was for nothing. I am losing class reps as we speak just because of the things that you and others are questioning here. There are people who live and die by the opinions expressed in this board. Those people happen to be part of the lawsuit. When they think that the "principals" of the lawsuit have a hidden agenda, they no longer want to participate...and all the work I've done on the lawsuit is a moot point.

While Heidi's assets are frosen, they can easily be unfrozen in the event that the lawsuit is not certified or we lose. So, you'll find some of the lawsuit reps coming in here trying to smooth things over so that we can continue to work together in order to stop Kimkins.

At this point, though, I'm wondering if its going to work at all. Because it's beginning to look like it won't and I am powerless to stop it. So, I am bow to the wisdom of the group and may the chips fall were they fall.

It is always better to just speak the truth instead of trying to speak around the truth. Thank you for coming clean, as they say. And it makes sense.

What you have here is a machine -- one that you created that has taken on a life of it's own. That is a natural event, btw. But I can pretty much guarantee you that you aren't going to garner support and cooperation by coming in and trying to somehow turn off the key of it's engine. In fact, you are liable to simply get run over. People who were asking these questions while you all were still doing KK were being called haters and irrational from the get-go. They are going to follow every descrepency to whereever it leads. And they are going to call a spade a spade. And the more you protest, the closer people will look. What you have here are a group of people to whom the TRUTH matters the most.

I really do see your delimma. This thing has grown much bigger than you. Honestly, I doubt if you could stop it. And if it is found, for instance, that Becky is/has made a deal with TT - I'd say all bets are off. If your case is built on a shaky foundation, I'm sure it will fall.

Let me ask you this. How many more lawsuit reps do you need to achieve class action status?

I'd wager that if you are simply honest with these people that they will help you. But try to bs and them and they will blow your case to heck and back.

I can imagine this is really difficult for you.

[Tanner]

Originally Posted by Tooter

I agree, and While we are being Honest here, ItstheWoo brought this very same point up and got jumped, big time. I guess we all weren't ready to hear it yet.

That and I think it was in the way in which she did it that cause so much stink.

[Locarb4me]

In my opinion:

If ANYTHING is being said in these forums, here or elsewhere, in blogs, wherever...is causing class reps to rethink their involvement in the suit and thereby jeopardize it's success, then STOP, PEOPLE and THINK!

What an ironic and tragic thing that would be. What a waste of what this was all about, the work that has gone on.

To anyone who is thinking of pulling out based on things you have seen, and read on these threads or other places, you need to stop and think too.

You need to talk to those who know what's going on and not let your doubts derail this entire juggernaut.

Somebody is trying to tow the freakin' iceberg away from the bow of the KimTanic! Is that what we want?? Wake up folks, before all is lost.

[Chelveston]

Originally Posted by cleochatra

When there are folks who were booted or left because of the fraud or who left because of the lawsuit and ensuing investigations and then proceeded to make a large amount of noise instead of working quietly and behind the scenes to mete out justice, it makes me wonder what the underlying agendas and motives really are.

There's no unconditional damning going on.

I think real remorse and meekness metes itself out with less fanfare and advertising than what I've been seeing.

I agree.

Originally Posted by jeanessa

It is the "other" people.

I am sorry to hear that. Unfortunately, I don't think the answer is to stop questioning.

A person's having questionable motives shouldn't exclude them from "friendly alliance" category when it comes to the lawsuit.

Please don't leave the lawsuit because you don't like some of your fellow plaintiffs. They do not matter. Heidi matters. Please do not let Heidi win this because you don't like some of the other people who are on your side in this (whatever their motives might be).

Please do not cut off your nose to spite your face!

[mama MIA]

Originally Posted by becksterinindy

Dang Julia .... quick.... call him.... Club crackers are soooo much better

tell him to get walnuts too! crush and sprinkle on top while still hot.

[CarolynF]

I hate to see anyone pull out of the lawsuit..for any reason. This is where we have our strength, through the legal system. The law and the FTC are the most effective ways to deal with her. Maybe it's the x-KKites who don't post here who are pulling out? Ya think?

[Crohnie]

Originally Posted by mama MIA

tell him to get walnuts too! crush and sprinkle on top while still hot.

enabler

[WildAngel6]

Be sure to check out Medusa's very moving post here:

Medusa: DESPERATELY SEEKING THE KIMKINS MISSING...

Thank you, Medusa, for your offer to assist with these missing persons. I pray they are all found, safe and sound.