Why the fascination with Kimmer? #12

[OhYeahBabe]

Tippy, I am curious about something you said in the comments of your blog.
You said (bolding is mine):

I have to elaborate a bit farther about why the gathering with LCF bothered me so much. Shelly, try hard to understand. Let's say we had a gathering from alcoholics anonymous. You go to the first gathering and they are sober. They stand before you and tell their stories and why they are succeeding. Now you have contact with these people via the internet every day. They tell you stay sober and won't hear of you trying any other methods other than what they preach. Then you arrive for another gathering year 2. Would you be shocked if they were all sitting around drinking on year two? Well of course! This was a public gathering of people who represent LCF--a diet support website. It was much more than just a group of friends hanging out. A park was selected and a pavillion reserved for members of LCF. And we paid a fee to attend. Members were invited and people stood up to tell their stories--year after year. Previous gathering were all about success. Do you remember the burning of ther fat clothes ritual? The admins in particular who offer help, support and direction to members ARE important as representitives of LCF. It seems odd to me that they can dispense advice, insist others follow it and not be able to follow it themselves. And not all of them--but many. Not to compare oranges to apples, but for me this was the same type of misleading as Kimmer saying she weighed 118 lbs. Don't get me wrong here. I know people fall off the wagon. But they DO represent a diet support website and their images in public are important. If they had previously admitted the gains, changed their stats and pictures accordingly this would not have been an issue for me at all. I was really excited to go again and I couldn't wait to see all the progress. It was indeed a huge let down to see the opposite. And I wonder why this happened at all. Did they stall out and give up? Why in the world would you give up on a plan that had you looking so fantastic just a year before? I really was hoping to learn that answer.

So on the one hand, the LCF Admins volunteer their time at a free site, doing their best to encourage other people despite their own difficulties. They are a disappointment to you.

On the other hand, there is Kimmer, who allegedly lost weight and regained it, all the while selling memberships based on her phony representations of her success, posting fraudulent pictures of herself and dozens of other people, while doling out hazardous and often abusive advice, and you stayed loyal to her. She lied and lied and lied and lied and LIED, to you and every one of her customers and every potential customer, aggressively marketing her lies all over the web. Yet you stayed loyal to her no matter what irrefutable evidence was uncovered, and said you felt her only crime was being overweight. I know you’ve turned against her now, but as little as a month ago you were still sticking up for her, saying that yep, regaining weight happens, but Kimkins is great!

Why you would hold LCF Admins to such a higher standard than you did Kimmer?

[anipomoni]

Sorry MissMerize, I probably did confuse what you said about the affiliate money. I understand your point of how it was just another fraud of Heidi's...not paying the money.

Originally Posted by golite

There is always at least one person whom you'll reach with a direct-to-the-point approach.
It bothers me greatly when people see someone drowning and they're so busy trying not to hurt the persons feelings with words that may speak to the lack of their swimming skills, that they let them drown.

I consider you to be more caring than those who use "soft" words at the wrong time in the wrong situation.

Aww...Thanks!

That was a nice post from Becky too. I think people here are very forgiving. When someone actually wants forgiveness that is (not like TT: "what do I have to apologize for").

[Diana]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Diana
Ok now I am mad.... WHAT IS UP WITH TT?? Now she is attacking Terry? Typo Terrible wife can't decide which program she is on, then flees Kimkins cause she can't take the pressure- all the lies she has told, she is not as good as kimmer in the grand scemes of things.

Originally posted by Terry- Yeah, rather than me being obsessed with her, I'd say it is the other way around, wouldn't you? I don't have her name plastered all over a blog, do I? Yes, I will talk about her in a thread when the subject comes up if I have something relevant to say, but that's a far cry from starting a blog to call her out on everything she's posted.

Yeah, she is so out of it. I don't get it. You talk a bit about her here, but your not throwing her all over a blog. She is twisted... severly twisted.

[Diana]

Originally Posted by wifezilla

TT cracks me up. She destroyed her own reputation and then blames Terry...LOLOLOL

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

This appears to be the season of "Blame-Storms"

Originally Posted by Katinsac

I don't understand why TT is wasting her time on her blog when her original goal was to get a safe place for her and her survivors to chat, etc. Shouldn't she be busy at her camp and quit worrying about what is going on with the rest of the world?

Originally Posted by golite

She's doing just what she did here. She'll keep posting that everyone is lying and will only pinpoint those posts or comments that have been deleted, so we have no proof. Except maybe a few hundred/thousand? people who saw her posts and remember what a tool she's been.

But yeah, TT and only TT alone tells the truth and the rest of the world are all jealous liars!

Originally Posted by susique333

AND to blame Terry after she (TT) went on national TV. Coming across like someone who didnt graduate from 6th grade, TTs mis-sent private email shown on that clip made it clear she knew she was in deep doo doo. "Ut oh, we'd better say this diet is temporary." You could hear the audience suck in their breath the moment they saw that. Good lord TT where is your dignity?

See TT does not want to go down this road, she can't remember what she has told one person, her stories change, her lies change, and grow to her mood....
My dh and I watched that episode and he was shocked at her behavior, her attitude, LOVE the mis sent email!!! Temporary diet! LOL

According to her we are all liars and she is right, sounds familiar doesn't it? Duh Typotippy.... HELLO!! DING DING DING

[anipomoni]

Originally Posted by OhYeahBabe

Why you would hold LCF Admins to such a higher standard than you did Kimmer?

She has deeper pockets?

And I want to know where the LCF admins "insist" we have to follow their advice?
Does she seriously not realize that you can be an administrator and a representative of a weight loss site, without actually having lost any weight. Maybe I am just super smart (well, obviously) but it never occurred to me that admins here should be thin and at goal. Uh...I just assumed they were regular old members that have been around for a while and volunteer to keep order.

I despise how TT tries to pretend she is nice and caring. As if her rotten-ness doesn't show through in her passive aggressive posts.

[Sheridan]

That was a nice apology, Becky. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Barbara B

Well said, Becky. Thank you for these heartfelt remarks. Goodness, folks, it's been a stressful day or so.

Becky, I hope you understand that, just as you were under stress and posted something in anger and haste that felt like a betrayal of these people over here, the folks here also are coping with their own stresses in addition to all the work they do for this thread. On top of that they are being lambasted from all sides. Nobody wants you to go away. Things get rocky here from time to time, but everyone is basically trying to do a good thing and save other people from Heidi.

Time for a group hug !

That was very well said, Barbara.

Originally Posted by OhYeahBabe

Tippy, I am curious about something you said in the comments of your blog.
You said (bolding is mine):

So on the one hand, the LCF Admins volunteer their time at a free site, doing their best to encourage other people despite their own difficulties. They are a disappointment to you.

On the other hand, there is Kimmer, who allegedly lost weight and regained it, all the while selling memberships based on her phony representations of her success, posting fraudulent pictures of herself and dozens of other people, while doling out hazardous and often abusive advice, and you stayed loyal to her. She lied and lied and lied and lied and LIED, to you and every one of her customers and every potential customer, aggressively marketing her lies all over the web. Yet you stayed loyal to her no matter what irrefutable evidence was uncovered, and said you felt her only crime was being overweight. I know you’ve turned against her now, but as little as a month ago you were still sticking up for her, saying that yep, regaining weight happens, but Kimkins is great!

Why you would hold LCF Admins to such a higher standard than you did Kimmer?

Good question!

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by OhYeahBabe

Why you would hold LCF Admins to such a higher standard than you did Kimmer?

You have touched on something that I have been wondering about too. I cannot understand the mindset that admins have to set an example for us. It seems to me their function is to monitor the boards and deal with inappropriate content, nothing more, nothing less. My success or failure is not based on what the admins have or have not done with respect to their own weight loss. Unlike Heidi, they aren't touting their own plan and charging people for it. Heidi is the one who should have set an example, and she failed miserably.

It's easy pickings to ridicule people who have gained weight back after being successful for a time. I don't understand why people (including me) have been held up for ridicule, when she posted that it didn't matter to her that Heidi had gained all her weight back. Heidi gets a free pass, and nobody else does. Well, what I can say is that my integrity is in tact. Yes, I gained weight back and have owned up to it. That's more than I can say for Heidi, who perpetuated lie after lie. It would not surprise me to learn she has MPD because her online persona was so convincing. It's not gaining weight back that I hold against Heidi, it's the lying about it and belittling others who couldn't stick to the plan. All the while, she was probably slamming back the Captain Morgan and Diet Coke, with a nice huge piece of gooey butter cake on a plate beside the keyboard. Well, now we know who the sissy really is, don't we?

[CarolynF]

Becky, I want to thank you for writing that gracious post. We all are in this "fight" together and Il appreciate all you have done to fight Kimkins. You have provided a safe home for the Refugees as well as participating with John to the fullest...and understand all the time you have put into this..

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by anipomoni

I despise how TT tries to pretend she is nice and caring. As if her rotten-ness doesn't show through in her passive aggressive posts.

[MissMerize]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Hey, guys have you filed your Rip-Off Report today? Here is the link:

Ripoff Report: By Consumers, For Consumers

There are now at least 10 reports about Kimkins..it's easy and fun!

Is it as much fun as joining a lawsuit? Do I need a video?

Originally Posted by BamaGal

if you haven't signed up yet please take the time to do so....

And if you don't know how to join a lawsuit, there is an instructional video here

Originally Posted by beckynett

I will continue to do what I can to bring an end to Kimkins privately, in my own way.

If you ever feel overwhelmed and need some help with something we are here to help you if we can! Hope things clear up for you

Originally Posted by anipomoni

Sorry MissMerize, I probably did confuse what you said about the affiliate money. I understand your point of how it was just another fraud of Heidi's...not paying the money.

No problem, I was not angry about what you said (I save all my anger for someone else), just thought maybe that needed a bit more clarification of what I was saying.

[CarolynF]

TT doesn't get the fact when she blogs, she is adding fuel to fire. I do think she enjoys controversy otherwise, she would just be quiet and stick with her website. TT, when will you ever learn???

[Magicsmom]

A question for those in the know: is having a Wordpress log on the same as having a Google log on? All I know is I tried to respond to Miss M's video, and couldn't, so if I ever registered there, I sure don't remember my user name or password. Too many blogs out there!! How can someone with Hashimoto's, FMS, and post-hysterectomy hormone levels be expected to remember all this stuff?

[TerryC]

I guess I missed all the fun from the last 2 days. Especially with Cleo coming out to play, I'm sorry I missed her, she's always the life of the party.

So I have a late group hug for everyone (please imagine the group hug smiley here, as I have no idea where it is located). I love you guys - all of you - warts and all!! Hope you love me too - warts and all!!

Honeybee - I'm sorry I didn't clip your quote about the lawsuit guy's name, but I was wondering what you were referencing because I didn't see anything that looked like it referenced that on the Riverside court page.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

TT doesn't get the fact when she blogs, she is adding fuel to fire. I do think she enjoys controversy otherwise, she would just be quiet and stick with her website. TT, when will you ever learn???

That is exactly what I have told you all about her. She loves drama, and if it's not there, she will create it. Drama follows her wherever she goes. But of course, it's all my fault.

[Magicsmom]

Miss M, I just watched your video the rest of the way through (just saw the first couple of minutes last night), and love the part where the kittehs watched the paper coming out of the printer. I got an e-mail once with this hilarious video attached of a kitteh attacking the paper that came out of the printer. It was so cute!

[wifezilla]

Damn Terry, 9/11 was your fault too? Oh, and stop hogging the credit for global warming. That's all my doing.

[Sheridan]

Originally Posted by TerryC

So I have a late group hug for everyone (please imagine the group hug smiley here, as I have no idea where it is located). I love you guys - all of you - warts and all!! Hope you love me too - warts and all!!

[Diana]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

You have touched on something that I have been wondering about too. I cannot understand the mindset that admins have to set an example for us. It seems to me their function is to monitor the boards and deal with inappropriate content, nothing more, nothing less. My success or failure is not based on what the admins have or have not done with respect to their own weight loss. Unlike Heidi, they aren't touting their own plan and charging people for it. Heidi is the one who should have set an example, and she failed miserably.

It's easy pickings to ridicule people who have gained weight back after being successful for a time. I don't understand why people (including me) have been held up for ridicule, when she posted that it didn't matter to her that Heidi had gained all her weight back. Heidi gets a free pass, and nobody else does. Well, what I can say is that my integrity is in tact. Yes, I gained weight back and have owned up to it. That's more than I can say for Heidi, who perpetuated lie after lie. It would not surprise me to learn she has MPD because her online persona was so convincing. It's not gaining weight back that I hold against Heidi, it's the lying about it and belittling others who couldn't stick to the plan. All the while, she was probably slamming back the Captain Morgan and Diet Coke, with a nice huge piece of gooey butter cake on a plate beside the keyboard. Well, now we know who the sissy really is, don't we?

It's the only way she can try to get to you. Just remember TT is perfect and 100% honest. So she hits below the belt. Heidi is a liar, and TT could be her sister. I am sorry, but she is one in the same....

[This time]

Hi all...tt is just like kimmer, she craves attention , good or bad it dosen't matter, just attention.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by beckynett

I have become a source of trouble in the low-carb community, and I would like to apologize.

I have been under a lot of stress in my own life for reasons which are neither here nor there in this issue, but have had me on the ragged edge. In one very weak and stupid moment, I snapped, and posted things I should not have said. I did not mean what it was taken to mean, but I do not know how to respond without making it worse. I will not excuse or defend what I said. It was foolish and wrong of me. I was angry, and spoke in careless haste. I have needed time to step back and try to get my bearings. I am still afraid to say anything. I know that anything I say may be misinterpreted, and that nothing I can say will ever be enough for some. But I have to try.

I know I should not have spoken in anger. I still am not sure why the Magic Chicken Diet issue even bothered me so much. It is not as if I am a fan or advocate of the chicken diet. I guess I was feeling frustrated about many things, and that was just the most recent situation at hand.

I am sorry that my sloppy use of the word 'they' seemed to be bashing an entire community of people. It was not at all my intent, and I am sorry. I apologize to those I hurt.

I believe I have said this in my blog, but if I have not, let me go on record as giving credit where credit is due. I appreciate the hard work that has been done to bring an end to Kimkins. I am indebted to individuals who have uncovered evidence, and taken action to contact legal authorities and media, and worked to remove Kimkins from the internet. I know it is a frustrating and usually thankless task. Thank you.

When I listed what I had done as part of this effort, I was not intending to brag or to claim I had done the most. Not at all. I KNOW I have come late to this battle, and I feel acutely the burden of my previous role in Kimkins, every day. I can never undo that, and I know it. I know I have not done that much publicly to fight Kimmer, just some blog posts, and I was trying (stupidly and awkwardly) to list my 'credentials' to say - Yes, I am firmly on the anti-Kimkins side. I am doing something, whether it shows or not. I am an ally. But that does not mean I cannot say I dislike the methods sometimes used, that I think hurt people unnecessarily. I felt I had a right to express my viewpoint.

Finally, when I said "I give up. I am done" I was not meaning to be rude to the poster, 2big4mysize. She was good enough to come to me directly, she made her points fairly, and deserved a direct, fair answer. I am very sorry for my curt reply. I was wrong, and ask for forgiveness.

I did not give a decent answer at that time because I was upset, feeling jumped on from all sides, and somewhat invaded. I felt I had no safe home online, no place to express myself in a candid moment, and no idea whom to trust. I just meant what I said --- I give up. Uncle. I can't do this anymore. I have tried to wage our common battle in the public square, with blogs and forum posts, but it seems I am under a microscope, and cannot afford one misstep. I will just step out.

Again, I am sorry for my words spoken in haste and anger, for my poor attitude, and for being the source of the dissension among people who should be allies. I apologize.

I will continue to do what I can to bring an end to Kimkins privately, in my own way.

That Was a Beautiful Apology! Totally Accepted! I also appreciate the way you took the time to explain every thing. I'm sure that wasn't easy.

As I had said in my post..."Now the healing begins". This isn't a "bad" thing, Becky. This is a good thing. Already people are re-charged to get on with the work. All that from this.

And the "Healing"? What is it? Well, Heidi might have started the "Us and Them" Thing, but it sure as heck looks like it has just DIED here. That little thing that might have been holding all of us back (I said ALL including me) Has now died because of all this. Congratulations, you are one of US! It's "US" and "WE" now. No more "They". WE are a motley crew, with different personalities. We sometimes stumble and sometimes mis-speak. We sometimes get on each others nerves and we sometimes get angry. We don't always agree. WE are human. And there is so much Power when we actually Work things through. When "WE" Talk we truly can come to an "Understanding". Sometimes we yell to get there, but we GET THERE. "WE" have alot of work to do yet.

Thank you for stepping up to the Plate.

The Only thing you did, was ruffle a few Duck Feathers, Which caused us to QUACK at each other, then caused us to fly, and your apology caused us to get into a united Formation. Yeah, I'm sure Heidi got a few chuckles out of our infighting. But the Joke is on her. She's not laughing now. Because not only are we united, but stronger then before. That Line in the sand that she put there, has just been erased by all the duck feathers. That's pretty powerful and she thought it would never happen.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

That is exactly what I have told you all about her. She loves drama, and if it's not there, she will create it. Drama follows her wherever she goes. But of course, it's all my fault.

Try the 4-letter "I" word - Ignore! (So it's got 6 letters - it has the same effect!)

[This time]

Originally Posted by Tooter