Why the fascination with Kimmer? #12

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by dhuff81096

Update on Christin from Melana (her mom) at Jimmy's site:

Good morning friends,

Christin is much better this morning mentally. She has been able to read for herself your notes of concern, and is very coherent. She's talked on the phone some, and even typed a few emails.

I think we are into the healing time. The pain is a significant factor, but she is coping well.

Thank you again. I'll post again after the doctor is in.

Melana

Thanks for the update. Please let her Mom and Christen know we are all sending healing thoughts to her.

[WildAngel6]

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[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Tooter

Honeybee, I think it's a combo of alot of things. Combine the weighing every day with the malnutrition ...and things truly get out of WACK!!! It's like they KNOW it's wrong...but they can't stop. The mind games and voices in their heads are huge. So is the depression.

Remember when the one reporter was doing the colonics? She was supposed to only do it 2 times in the week she was at the spa? She ended up doing it 4 or 5 times. Even though she KNEW it was bad. The addiction to lose the weight was So great!! She kept thinking...I'll just do this FAST and then I will do it healthy...As soon as the weight is all gone. Sound Familiar?

The other thing to notice is, both these girls had warnings all the time from everyone (doctors and friends) What about when you are at Kimkins and all you get is ENCOURAGEMENT to keep doing those things? Applause for doing them? *shiver*

Truly it's Pro Ana...and they even mentioned that stuff on the show.

I think this is a real MUST SEE for everyone who has been Watching this entire Kimkins Saga.

Oh, I agree about the positive reinforcement that one gets while doing kimkins at the forum there, makes it all the more difficult to see one's behavior as becoming unhealthy.
These journalist had cameras following them and of course many people knowing that they were doing this "crash" diet/diets and they still slipped into thinking it was ok to eat and behave that way, even when others were telling them no!

I know I didn't share how low my calories were while I was doing kimkins, because I didn't want my family or friends to be worried or shocked at the low calories, because in my mind I was doing ok. Like you said you reason that it is only for a short time and that means less damage is this crazy equation of reasoning that I tried to use for an excuse.

This sets it up so a person doing kimkins is also getting kudos from friends and family who see them losing weight. There is no one keeping them in check like the journalist had in the documentary.

The point being that if it is that easy to slip into an unhealthy relationship with food and many people are watching, then think of those that are doing kimkins and basically not sharing how low the calories are in their daily menu. How easy is it for them to begin to have issues with eating?

I know because I have seen it and lived it too.
One of the things that got me to rethink my situation was my little girl. She made the comment one day that she hadn't eaten all day. Now, it was only about 10 am, you know how they don't have a concept of time when they are little. But the thing is she said it with so much PRIDE! It have me chills and I actually was mad, but mad at myself, because even though I never talked about what I was eating or not eating, she had picked up on it!
Now, looking back I can see that my daughter, like all children, was mirroring her parent. To think about the pride she had in her voice makes me tear up even now. A scary thing to think what type of example I could have been setting for my daughter if I hadn't decided that I needed to re-evaluate things.

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Thanks everyone for continuing to pray for Bill.

For sure, it is NOT an embolism - Thank you, Lord!

He for sure has sleep apnea - they will be doing a sleep test soon. At this moment (well, when my little sister called me at 12:30 am) they don't have any idea what happened. They speculate that he fell asleep and ... never mind - that scenario doesn't even make sense ... let's leave it at they have no idea. They are looking, I know, to see if perhaps he had a seizure.

He is a Major in the Army. My little sis said she has never seen that much Brass in one place as she saw in the ER They have him in a private room and he is being VERY well cared for.

Now, anyone hear any updates about Christin? I'm really worried about her, too.

Glad he is being well taken care of. Hang in there.

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by WildAngel6

It appears that she has responded:

Kimkins Follow-up | Diets in Review Blog

That has been simply cut and pasted from her website. I wonder if Brian did it on her behalf.

Well, at least it is out there. She has called Heidi out, even though she has given her a back door to escape out of. Let's see if Heidi is smart enough to walk through.

Meanwhile, folks - back to business ...

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

just FYI...Kimkins is no longer at the top of the MSN searches...

That is good news. I know several kimkins articles have been deleted too! So that is a something good to wake up to...

Originally Posted by dhuff81096

Update on Christin from Melana (her mom) at Jimmy's site:

Good morning friends,

Christin is much better this morning mentally. She has been able to read for herself your notes of concern, and is very coherent. She's talked on the phone some, and even typed a few emails.

I think we are into the healing time. The pain is a significant factor, but she is coping well.

Thank you again. I'll post again after the doctor is in.

Melana

Thank you for sharing the update!
Christin I hope you and your family are able to heal and that your pain has eased some and being well controlled. Wishing you the best.

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Thanks everyone for continuing to pray for Bill.

For sure, it is NOT an embolism - Thank you, Lord!

He for sure has sleep apnea - they will be doing a sleep test soon. At this moment (well, when my little sister called me at 12:30 am) they don't have any idea what happened. They speculate that he fell asleep and ... never mind - that scenario doesn't even make sense ... let's leave it at they have no idea. They are looking, I know, to see if perhaps he had a seizure.

He is a Major in the Army. My little sis said she has never seen that much Brass in one place as she saw in the ER They have him in a private room and he is being VERY well cared for.

Now, anyone hear any updates about Christin? I'm really worried about her, too.

I am glad to read that it is not an embolism. Does he have seizures or was he running an elevated temperature?

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

That is good news. I know several kimkins articles have been deleted too! So that is a something good to wake up to...


Thank you for sharing the update!
Christin I hope you and your family are able to heal and that your pain has eased some and being well controlled. Wishing you the best.

I am glad to read that it is not an embolism. Does he have seizures or was he running an elevated temperature?

He's never had seizures before. I'll ask my sister about the temp when she calls later today. I know he wasn't sick. He was extremely tired, though. Said he hadn't slept at all the night before. He has never walked in his sleep so far as I've ever heard, but I wondered if he didn't fall asleep, have a nightmare - perhaps related to Iraq - and was running, trying to get out the door and had a apnea episode while at the door and collapsed. The thing is, his lips were blue by the time they got to him, so he had been oxygen deficent for a period of time by then.

Another thing I've wondered is if he didn't realize he wasn't getting enough air and was running trying to get help. He is a very highly trained nurse, so I think he would likely recognize that he was in trouble pretty quickly if something like that started to happen.

Hopefully he will get his memory back of that time period.

I don't remember from my EMT days - does a TIA affect memory?

[SMP]

Originally Posted by tiggerr

So remind me again? No teenagers on Kimkins, ever?
And that DR

Ahh, but the Doctor okayed it. Plus there's no such thing as "modified Kimkins". If you tweak it, it isn't Kimkins!

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

He's never had seizures before. I'll ask my sister about the temp when she calls later today. I know he wasn't sick. He was extremely tired, though. Said he hadn't slept at all the night before. He has never walked in his sleep so far as I've ever heard, but I wondered if he didn't fall asleep, have a nightmare - perhaps related to Iraq - and was running, trying to get out the door and had a apnea episode while at the door and collapsed. The thing is, his lips were blue by the time they got to him, so he had been oxygen deficent for a period of time by then.

Another thing I've wondered is if he didn't realize he wasn't getting enough air and was running trying to get help. He is a very highly trained nurse, so I think he would likely recognize that he was in trouble pretty quickly if something like that started to happen.

Hopefully he will get his memory back of that time period.

I don't remember from my EMT days - does a TIA affect memory?

Yes, memory loss can be a sign of a TIA. I am sure with his background in health he would mention this, but in case he is too ill...any new medications should also be reviewed. But I imagine they are doing that and checking for any type of bacterial infection. I hope they can figure it all out soon.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by SMP

Ahh, but the Doctor okayed it. Plus there's no such thing as "modified Kimkins". If you tweak it, it isn't Kimkins!

From Kimmer herself circa 2006-

I hope you won't think I'm a total snot for saying this, but please don't "modify" Kimkins. Just call your plan Atkins instead. I don't want Kimkins associated with bacon and over use of butter/salad dressing (1 T butter on 1 cup broccoli, 3 T salad dressing on 2 cups lettuce). Other people claiming to do Kimkins are having pasta, cereal and I don't know what all.

I know that was horrible of me to write. Kimkins is about super weight loss, not what you get with Atkins.

You can only lose with increased carbs if you lower calories. There's another post in this thread that discusses what happens on Day 1-3, 4-5, etc. when someone switches from KE to "upping" carbs and the result loss ... and why.

As you can see TT never did Kimkins only a modified Atkins according to Kimmer.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

Yes we know what a pain it is to dig up all the info John T. is requesting. I think he's doing that purposely.....

If nothing else, it will show the extent of Heidi's cooperation with a court-ordered fact-finding mission.

I just asked him and he said "generally yes". Sometimes they have people monitoring the court cases and judgments. I'm sure John T. will also take care of notifying the proper authorities. He's on top of his game. Don't kid yourself - he sees far more than just scamming her members. This runs far deeper than any of us realize. I loved the fact that they want to see how many people she was paying - so she could deduct that as a business expense. She has a lot of alias. Just like you mentioned earlier.

He's building the case on fraud, moreso than health claims, a fact Heidi didn't twig to until we told her. Evidence of criminal activity of other frauds can only strengthen his case. Frauds within frauds - if he can prove it's her modus operandi, the case will be a slamdunk.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

I LOVE Ann Rule! I used to be on a true crime board with her. Delightful lady

Wasn't she the one who knew Ted Bundy personally before he got into trouble with the law?

Originally Posted by mrsadm

I am confused. Does Jeannie = SWSNBN = TT?

Yes, She who shall not be named.

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

From Kimmer herself circa 2006-

I hope you won't think I'm a total snot for saying this, but please don't "modify" Kimkins. Just call your plan Atkins instead. I don't want Kimkins associated with bacon and over use of butter/salad dressing (1 T butter on 1 cup broccoli, 3 T salad dressing on 2 cups lettuce). Other people claiming to do Kimkins are having pasta, cereal and I don't know what all.

I know that was horrible of me to write. Kimkins is about super weight loss, not what you get with Atkins.

You can only lose with increased carbs if you lower calories. There's another post in this thread that discusses what happens on Day 1-3, 4-5, etc. when someone switches from KE to "upping" carbs and the result loss ... and why.

As you can see TT never did Kimkins only a modified Atkins according to Kimmer.

Oh for the love of God! What a sadist! Only in her world is a tablespoon of butter on a cup of broccoli or 3 T of dressing on 2 cups of lettuce considered excessive!! No wonder her following develops eating disorders! She makes people feel shame for eating like normal people do.

[LINC]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

From Kimmer herself circa 2006-

I hope you won't think I'm a total snot for saying this, but please don't "modify" Kimkins. Just call your plan Atkins instead. I don't want Kimkins associated with bacon and over use of butter/salad dressing (1 T butter on 1 cup broccoli, 3 T salad dressing on 2 cups lettuce). Other people claiming to do Kimkins are having pasta, cereal and I don't know what all.

By all means, associate Kimkins with lies, deceptive advertising and fraud. When you think Kimkins, it's OK if you see faked success stories, people getting sick and losing their hair, people being bilked out of money and a class action lawsuit. But Heidi doesn't ever, EVER want to see Kimkins associated with bacon.

Evil bacon. That stuff would ruin anyone's reputation.

Lou

[SMP]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

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In other words, I would certainly NOT limit my rebuttal to my own private forum where most of the world who saw the Heidi letter would never see my response ...

TT, , if you are really innocent, don't sit there like a lamb to slaughter. The Ducks aren't your enemy. But don't respond HERE ... respond OUT THERE. Defend yourself, girl. Well, that is, if you really ARE innocent.

It was good of you to point the way, Mom. At this point, SWSNBN is hunkered down in the trenches, hoping the rockets whizzing overhead will just go away. But she should contact John and make her denials plain - he's the one she really needs to convince. Whatever Heidi posts can be assumed to be a lie; so I doubt if her attorney can use this post as part of her defense. However, that part SWSNBN said about not believing Heidi wrote it - good grief! That he can use, and all Heidi has to do is play along. I sure hope the webmaster on whatever site that was printed has enough smarts to trace it back to its source AND to get a webshot.

TT - those rockets are only going overhead right now. If Heidi has her way, "Thee standest where I dost aim !"

[Mayberryfan]

We're close to "lucky" 13 in the FWK threads!

Mom - hope Bill is better and recovering well. And, God bless him for his military service!

Christin - Glad to hear you are better. Hang in there and all will be well.

Honeybee - your av is freaking me out. Gak. How about resurecting Ray from the KK's "success" stories and using him? Give a girl something GOOD to look at!

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Oh, I agree about the positive reinforcement that one gets while doing kimkins at the forum there, makes it all the more difficult to see one's behavior as becoming unhealthy.
These journalist had cameras following them and of course many people knowing that they were doing this "crash" diet/diets and they still slipped into thinking it was ok to eat and behave that way, even when others were telling them no!

I know I didn't share how low my calories were while I was doing kimkins, because I didn't want my family or friends to be worried or shocked at the low calories, because in my mind I was doing ok. Like you said you reason that it is only for a short time and that means less damage is this crazy equation of reasoning that I tried to use for an excuse.

This sets it up so a person doing kimkins is also getting kudos from friends and family who see them losing weight. There is no one keeping them in check like the journalist had in the documentary.

The point being that if it is that easy to slip into an unhealthy relationship with food and many people are watching, then think of those that are doing kimkins and basically not sharing how low the calories are in their daily menu. How easy is it for them to begin to have issues with eating?

I know because I have seen it and lived it too.
One of the things that got me to rethink my situation was my little girl. She made the comment one day that she hadn't eaten all day. Now, it was only about 10 am, you know how they don't have a concept of time when they are little. But the thing is she said it with so much PRIDE! It have me chills and I actually was mad, but mad at myself, because even though I never talked about what I was eating or not eating, she had picked up on it!
Now, looking back I can see that my daughter, like all children, was mirroring her parent. To think about the pride she had in her voice makes me tear up even now. A scary thing to think what type of example I could have been setting for my daughter if I hadn't decided that I needed to re-evaluate things.

HB---you had a right to be worried about your daughter----most people end up with disordered thinking as it comes to food from the people around us...

even our thoughts of "comfort foods" are considered disordered thinking

as a society we have learned to associate food with emotional ties---not simply as fuel for the body---so in a sense just about everyone has a degree of an eating disorder----for some it is just taken to extremes

[Katinsac]

Hey, I'm all for looking at Ray!! lol

[ixtapacheryl]

Christin and family: I'm so happy to hear everyone is recovering. Our prayers were answered.

MomtoEli: At least Bill is in the best place while they check him out to see what happened. Keep us posted and we'll keep praying.

Yes TIA's can cause memory lapses. My mother had one in Feb. 2007 - and her memory is really bad.

[beachfires]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Hey, I'm all for looking at Ray!! lol

I do not know who Ray is but....almost ANYTHING would be better than this guy...

Although...if Honey is trying to point out the dangers of Kimkins...this JUST MIGHT DO THE TRICK!!!

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

just FYI...Kimkins is no longer at the top of the MSN searches...

Originally Posted by dhuff81096

Update on Christin from Melana (her mom) at Jimmy's site:

Good morning friends,

Christin is much better this morning mentally. She has been able to read for herself your notes of concern, and is very coherent. She's talked on the phone some, and even typed a few emails.

I think we are into the healing time. The pain is a significant factor, but she is coping well.

Thank you again. I'll post again after the doctor is in.

Melana

Great news. Thanks for the update!

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Thanks everyone for continuing to pray for Bill.

For sure, it is NOT an embolism - Thank you, Lord!

He for sure has sleep apnea - they will be doing a sleep test soon. At this moment (well, when my little sister called me at 12:30 am) they don't have any idea what happened. They speculate that he fell asleep and ... never mind - that scenario doesn't even make sense ... let's leave it at they have no idea. They are looking, I know, to see if perhaps he had a seizure.

He is a Major in the Army. My little sis said she has never seen that much Brass in one place as she saw in the ER They have him in a private room and he is being VERY well cared for.

Now, anyone hear any updates about Christin? I'm really worried about her, too.

Glad it wasn't an embolism. Prayers still heading his way.

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

snip:
I know because I have seen it and lived it too.
One of the things that got me to rethink my situation was my little girl. She made the comment one day that she hadn't eaten all day. Now, it was only about 10 am, you know how they don't have a concept of time when they are little. But the thing is she said it with so much PRIDE! It have me chills and I actually was mad, but mad at myself, because even though I never talked about what I was eating or not eating, she had picked up on it!
Now, looking back I can see that my daughter, like all children, was mirroring her parent. To think about the pride she had in her voice makes me tear up even now. A scary thing to think what type of example I could have been setting for my daughter if I hadn't decided that I needed to re-evaluate things.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Ah, but she was never an employee, remember? She was a contractor. In that case it all depends on the contract. Besides, didn't TT arrive at KK with that plan in tow?

I'm almost sure that Heidi didn't have TT sign any contract- but could be wrong.

If I recall correctly (and don't quote me because I'm a senior citizen ) she discovered that cycling with KK/Atkins is what made her start losing again. I thought that was after she was on KK. Maybe someone has a screen shot of the post when she first started talking about cycling.