Why the fascination with Kimmer? #11

[jeanessa]

Originally Posted by cleochatra

Thanks for the support! I'll leave Jeanessa to defend those who are helping with the lawsuit for whatever reason she wants to believe they are helping.

Bottom line: they're helping.

Bottomer line: They need to help. Bam. Said it.

*hip bumps to mah sistahs*

Cleo - I am not defending her because she joined/is helping with the lawsuit. I actually disagree with almost everything she said. And I agree with what 2Big said and the way she went about saying it (in Becky's journal). I am just trying to understand what is being said and why its being said.

[Katinsac]

tooter, no apology needed ....

[ketosis]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

I think it is time to move on....

Ditto.

I repeat myself but I have lurked and visited a lot of the other low carb sites. I never feel welcome there and particularly at Jimmy's site right now with all the little digs. I felt free to post in this thread from day one. It keeps me on track to "belong" here and I do not feel like a hater or part of a soap operal.

I am accountable for my actions and I don't blame anyone else. It makes me sad when I see the loss of focus and infighting and it is not necessary. But I cannot control anyone but me.

Everyone finds their own "place" but those who point the finger at lcf should examine their own actions as well.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

just wanted to say thank you to everybody here who understood why i posted what I posted where i posted it. If I has erroneously slammed whole groups of folk in anger I would hope one of my friends would have pointed it out to me cause that is what friends are for.

2big, I was very disappointed in the actions of a couple people who included Magic Chicken Lady in their Kimmer radar, but I was equally disappointed to find myself included in Becky's blanket condemnation of ALL LCF people, most of whom don't have a clue what's going on in THIS thread. Therefore, I silently cheered you on when you rebutted her attempts to blame us for the silence. It seems Heidi was sowing a little dissension among friends herself, as subsequent events showed. And Becky fell for it. When will she learn? For that matter, when will we? Chalk Round One up to Heidi. But I think you made a pretty fair Round Two!

[Mayberryfan]

It has been discussed before that Jimmy Moore makes people here uncomfortable. He may be a nice guy, he may not be, who knows? But I think it would take more than one pair of Kimmer's white stretch pants to cover his ego!

But that's just MHO.

[cleochatra]

Everyone finds their own "place" but those who point the finger at lcf should examine their own actions as well.

Totally. And especially them. See, I pray to the same God, and He says that meekness ain't a bad thing, especially when you've made people's hair fall out. Jesus had some kick-butt hair.

Let's look at the blamers, here. At a board where it has been known that there has been anti-LCF sentiment in the past. But it's so early 2007. How unoriginal. Are we talking about people with days of the week underpants? I thought people had to be 13 to use the internet, but apprently they're sneaking in there when the substitute teacher is reading her Fabio novels.

People need to look closely at who the finger-pointers are and say it with me now: "Honey, don't you go wagging that dog." Oh no you di'unt.

LCF continues to thrive and exist in spite of upstart boards with their upstart agendas. That must hurt. But to take it out on the people here is just wanky and unoriginal. And self-serving. But then... who are we talking about here.

[cleochatra]

Oh. And as for the chicken butt Elmo diet? Kimmer didn't win. Again, consumers with children did.

It's ridiculous to state that Kimmer wins when another scam is taken down. Hello? Hello? Common sense falling in your bowl of oatmeal! Plop!

"Hello, o eater of oatmeal. My name is common sense."

"Hello... err... you are in my oatmeal bowl."

"Yes. I am in your oatmeal bowl to tell you that people should never encourage people to eat a very low calorie diet. In fact, people who try to make people pay for a diet which encourages them to eat very little are also known as the types of people the FTC likes to investigate. Ergo, it's a baddy bad thing to encourage people to pay a lot of money to be told to follow an unoriginal and potentially very dangerous weight loss plan."

[/public service message brought to you by the oatmeal growers of America and the man on the Quaker box because he looks pretty cool]

[Katinsac]

I wasn't going to get into the Me vs Them anymore but I just read Medusa's blog on Becky's me, me, me....I'm sorry but I have to comment. Becky...you, you, you....You have to do all that stuff or you would not be worth a thing after all the support you gave at KK. You were her puppet and yes, you should feel guilty for it. You fell hook, line and sinker like a lot of us and for that I am sorry. Because you were on the inside and had so much information, you SHOULD have gone to John and tell all....but...you did not do it alone. If it wasn't for this site and others telling you she was a scam, you would still be there so, please, do not try to take all the credit. This was a group action and maybe you had a little more info but you did not do it alone. I have a lot of respect for you standing up and finally "telling all" but it was your responsibility. You just happen to be the one in the know of the inside stuff. Everyone else has helped in their own way and even with what you knew, it could not have been done without the duck patrol. So move one and continue the fight against Kimmer and try to heal.

[Nady]

Originally Posted by ketosis

Ditto.

I repeat myself but I have lurked and visited a lot of the other low carb sites. I never feel welcome there and particularly at Jimmy's site right now with all the little digs. I felt free to post in this thread from day one. It keeps me on track to "belong" here and I do not feel like a hater or part of a soap operal.

I am accountable for my actions and I don't blame anyone else. It makes me sad when I see the loss of focus and infighting and it is not necessary. But I cannot control anyone but me.

Everyone finds their own "place" but those who point the finger at lcf should examine their own actions as well.

Same here~ I use the same name but don't post~ don't feel welcome. I get tired of the digs toward LFC and not just at Jimmy's. And the thing is, over the last 5 months, I haven't seen much help from those other boards either~ but the simple fact is Kimkins gives ALL low carb sites a black eye, just by Heidi's claim that KK is a 'low carb' diet (it's not).

I read Becky's posts on the subject, (yes I'm a lurking member there too) and I must say I'm disappointed that she would be so quick to blame LCF ~ so quick to believe any claim made by Heidi! You would think Heidi's credibility is shot at this point~ or maybe believing her is a habit that is still a bit difficult for some to break~

Very disappointed~ guess I thought she was past pointing fingers.
~~~N

[jwc]

Of Chickens and Magic

Is stealing less reprehensible if you steal from a thief? Of course, we could ask Heidi the same question since the majority of her images came from sites with reputations for stealing from the world’s lonely hearts club. Heidi’s not really one that ought to complaining about “copycats.” The Internet truly is today’s “Wild Wild West.”

The advertisement for the Magic Chicken website design stated they wanted a “clone” of Kimkins. Stealing code is illegal, if that’s what they did. It’s much harder to say if copyright infringement took place if you borrow a “look.” To know this, you need to analyze the code side-by-side, but the design request certainly smacks of borrowing more than just a general look. The following site provides a synopsis of the complicated world of website copyright.

PlagiarismToday » Web Design Plagiarism

Since the site changed dramatically from when GoDaddy brought it down to its reemergence, I’m guessing there was a certain “borrowing” between thieves. Yes, the woman appears to be real and her lies pale in comparison to the deception wrought by Kimmer. However,…stealing is stealing.

Of Tippy and Lasses

I believe in forgiveness when there is genuine remorse. “I’m sorry, but by the way, I don’t really have anything to be sorry about,” is not genuine remorse.

Of Power to the People

I’ve watched the demise of Kimmer with a mixture of “fascination” and amazement. I’m fascinated that one person could deceive so completely, and amazed at the phenomenon that exposed this deceit. This on-going event would pose an excellent study in the evolution of social behavior and history. This new thing we call the Internet provides the venue for today’s Snake Oil Salesman, but it also creates a world of Pinkertons and Nancy Drews who continue working together to expose this charlatan with deadly accuracy.

I keep thinking about the phenomenal power of a diverse bunch of mostly women. By ourselves, most of us are not likely rich or powerful. Between the combinations of those who left the KK site, and those who simply see a wrong that needs addressed, we make a powerful combination. Let’s keep that powerful combination in tact regardless of differences in opinion. Focus on the end result.

Outside of the Kimkins phenomenon, I often wonder what we as society might accomplish if we used the Internet to direct the same passion and cooperative investigation against something like the genocide in Darfur. What a force to be reckoned with!

[Awakened]

Originally Posted by jwc

I keep thinking about the phenomenal power of a diverse bunch of mostly women. By ourselves, most of us are not likely rich or powerful. Between the combinations of those who left the KK site, and those who simply see a wrong that needs addressed, we make a powerful combination. Let’s keep that powerful combination in tact regardless of differences in opinion. Focus on the end result.

[Sheridan]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

Sheridan - Is it completely impossible to see that Deni might have had some qualms about seeing that there could be some truth here based on what I call the "Duck Panther Party" (By Any Means Necessary) actions that have occurred over the course of this thread?

I don't say this in any way to belittle the work we've done. I know how hard we've worked together to stop Heidi's fraud, but there has been some stepping over the line or even just talk of stepping over the line. I can see how that would be a turn off to some people. It's made me stop posting as much as I have in the past.

Jeanessa, I grew up in a cult. I'm acutely aware of how people in cults react to ANY outside questioning or criticism. ANYthing that questions the foundation of belief OR their leader is cause for labeling the ones speaking out as "haters" or worse. That doesn't make what the critics say untrue, and it doesn't mean that how the critics say it wrong, either; sometimes it takes 'not pretty to get people's attention. Someone who is genuinely interested in the truth of a thing will get past anything they find a 'turn off'.

Coming to the truth of something isn't easy, it isn't pretty, and it doesn't have a roadmap. People who have been harmed or those who are rightfully outraged even if they weren't don't always speak in pretty words, they don't always do things the "right" way. I can overlook that, and perhaps my error is in believing other adults can also.

Originally Posted by Nady

Same here~ I use the same name but don't post~ don't feel welcome. I get tired of the digs toward LFC and not just at Jimmy's. And the thing is, over the last 5 months, I haven't seen much help from those other boards either~ but the simple fact is Kimkins gives ALL low carb sites a black eye, just by Heidi's claim that KK is a 'low carb' diet (it's not).

I read Becky's posts on the subject, (yes I'm a lurking member there too) and I must say I'm disappointed that she would be so quick to blame LCF ~ so quick to believe any claim made by Heidi! You would think Heidi's credibility is shot at this point~ or maybe believing her is a habit that is still a bit difficult for some to break~

Very disappointed~ guess I thought she was past pointing fingers.
~~~N

That goes for me, too.

[mama MIA]

Didn't people here believe that it WAS because of LCF's uncovering of Chicken Diet that made it shut down? Even if it was because of Kimmer (who got it from here) did the doing. I know many were happy it was closed.

Now that we know different, there is a lot of back swimming on this thread. Lets give Becky time to learn the truth and do a little backstroke of her own.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by mama MIA

Didn't people here believe that it WAS because of LCF's uncovering of Chicken Diet that made it shut down? Even if it was because of Kimmer (who got it from here) did the doing. I know many were happy it was closed.

Now that we know different, there is a lot of back swimming on this thread. Lets give Becky time to learn the truth and do a little backstroke of her own.

No one is stopping her from doing a backstroke. In fact, 2Big4MySize tried to give her that Opportunity early on. Rest assured, if Deni is here, My bet would be that Becky is reading this too.

Nothing is stopping her from saying "Oops, my bad".

Actually what I think is going on here is that there is an opportunity for a "healing" that has needed to take place for a long time. For both sides.

It's up to Becky if she wants to be a part of that "Healing" or allow the wound to continue to fester.

We get upset when things get ugly on here, but there seems to be a cycle of purging that goes on and either Uniting or Agreeing to disagree and we then move on.

The "Truth" is not always pretty. To find the truth ends up being very soul searching for everyone.

In the End, everyone will continue the work against Kimkins, no matter if that Opportunity for "healing" takes place or not.

It would be great if we could truly unite and not just a case of "The Enemy of My Enemy is my friend". Oh, that can work, but it sure as heck feels like a "Use job".

I keep trying to sit on my hands, but I'm not doing a very good job of it.

Bottom line?

Ball is in Becky's Court.

[Nady]

Originally Posted by mama MIA

Didn't people here believe that it WAS because of LCF's uncovering of Chicken Diet that made it shut down? Even if it was because of Kimmer (who got it from here) did the doing. I know many were happy it was closed.

Now that we know different, there is a lot of back swimming on this thread. Lets give Becky time to learn the truth and do a little backstroke of her own.

What makes everyone so sure Heidi didn't discover this site for herself? We all know she haunts the Internet, does searched in unlikely places~ it's not hard to find the ad on freelancer~ GetAFreelancer.com - Magic Chicken Diet She has probably known about it since it first went up.

Yes, we may have (temporarily) shut it down with all the sudden traffic this board generated, but it's just like Heidi to 'spin' it for her remaining followers~
~~~N

[RockyMtnAngelEyes]

Morgan, you can stalk me anytime...

Cleo! It's so good to see you my friend!

Tooter, Cleo, 2big, Morgan, Sherri, and those I'm forgetting.. I haven't said anything about all this, but I'm glad you have.. You speak for me, and so much better than I could have ever said it...

[mama MIA]

Originally Posted by Nady

What makes everyone so sure Heidi didn't discover this site for herself? We all know she haunts the Internet, does searched in unlikely places~ it's not hard to find the ad on freelancer~ GetAFreelancer.com - Magic Chicken Diet She has probably known about it since it first went up.

Yes, we may have (temporarily) shut it down with all the sudden traffic this board generated, but it's just like Heidi to 'spin' it for her remaining followers~
~~~N

It will be funny to see that Heidi had nothing to do with it, but went on to brag. Who knows? I hope we get the the answer soon.

Tooter, I agree.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by mama MIA

It will be funny to see that Heidi had nothing to do with it, but went on to brag. Who knows? I hope we get the the answer soon.

Tooter, I agree.

That WOULD be funny!

I have my fingers crossed that we will have the answers soon.

[Nady]

Additional thoughts on the MCD~ maybe when (if) the site crashed, she followed the trail back to the links posted here and after reading the posts/blogs, realized that Kimkins was the last site she wanted to resemble. That would account for the new look and 'modified' diet~ Maybe we did her a big favor~ she benefits from KK's mistakes!
~~~N

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by RockyMtnAngelEyes

Morgan, you can stalk me anytime...

Cleo! It's so good to see you my friend!

Tooter, Cleo, 2big, Morgan, Sherri, and those I'm forgetting.. I haven't said anything about all this, but I'm glad you have.. You speak for me, and so much better than I could have ever said it...

Hey, Sweetheart!

[SMP]

Originally Posted by Sheridan

...
Coming to the truth of something isn't easy, it isn't pretty, and it doesn't have a roadmap. People who have been harmed or those who are rightfully outraged even if they weren't don't always speak in pretty words, they don't always do things the "right" way. I can overlook that, and perhaps my error is in believing other adults can also.

There's an old saying -"Those who love the law and sausages should never see either being made."

[cleochatra]

Dude, the website isn't even gone. The magic chicken diet lives on. So all of the gnashing of teeth at the dingleberryboard and blameplacing... and holier than thous-- for nothing. Was it worth it?

I would venture that one as a big camel-toed zero.

So, long story short-- all of that righteous indignation for naught, but the underlying feelings and blame placing at the feet of LCF come roiling to the surface yet again, like Pamela Lee's inflatable bazooms.

Bobbing bazooms of underlying angst, brought to you by the Magic Chicken Diet.


(Hi, Kiki! LTNS)

[Magicsmom]

Can I just muse here a little bit about journals? To me, a journal is a nicely bound little book with a ribbon bookmarker that you write your innermost thoughts in. It's kept in your nightstand or wherever else you think it will be safe from prying eyes.

If I were going to post something because I was furious about something and name the people I held responsible, I don't think I would pick an internet site to do it. The very people you are talking about can [and did] go there to read it. Why does it keep being brought up that Becky was writing in her journal as if we invaded her privacy and read things meant for her eyes only? Calling a thread a journal does not make it private. Anybody can read there, and anybody who registers can post there. So if you want your privacy ensured, pick another place to be furious. When you choose a public place like the internet, accept the fallout you create, especially when you are furious at the wrong people for the wrong reason. A lot of ruffled duck feathers can be smoothed over with a heartfelt apology.

Now, let's get back to the business of getting Kimmer out of business. New Years is just around the corner and people are going to be looking for a quick way to lose the holiday pounds. Hopefully, they won't be willing to pay $60 to join, but some will be and we owe it to them to keep focused.