Why the fascination with Kimmer? #11

[jeanessa]

Originally Posted by cleochatra

Thanks for the support! I'll leave Jeanessa to defend those who are helping with the lawsuit for whatever reason she wants to believe they are helping.

Bottom line: they're helping.

Bottomer line: They need to help. Bam. Said it.

*hip bumps to mah sistahs*

Cleo - I am not defending her because she joined/is helping with the lawsuit. I actually disagree with almost everything she said. And I agree with what 2Big said and the way she went about saying it (in Becky's journal). I am just trying to understand what is being said and why its being said.

[Katinsac]

tooter, no apology needed ....

[Grizzy]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

I think it is time to move on....

Ditto.

I repeat myself but I have lurked and visited a lot of the other low carb sites. I never feel welcome there and particularly at Jimmy's site right now with all the little digs. I felt free to post in this thread from day one. It keeps me on track to "belong" here and I do not feel like a hater or part of a soap operal.

I am accountable for my actions and I don't blame anyone else. It makes me sad when I see the loss of focus and infighting and it is not necessary. But I cannot control anyone but me.

Everyone finds their own "place" but those who point the finger at lcf should examine their own actions as well.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

just wanted to say thank you to everybody here who understood why i posted what I posted where i posted it. If I has erroneously slammed whole groups of folk in anger I would hope one of my friends would have pointed it out to me cause that is what friends are for.

2big, I was very disappointed in the actions of a couple people who included Magic Chicken Lady in their Kimmer radar, but I was equally disappointed to find myself included in Becky's blanket condemnation of ALL LCF people, most of whom don't have a clue what's going on in THIS thread. Therefore, I silently cheered you on when you rebutted her attempts to blame us for the silence. It seems Heidi was sowing a little dissension among friends herself, as subsequent events showed. And Becky fell for it. When will she learn? For that matter, when will we? Chalk Round One up to Heidi. But I think you made a pretty fair Round Two!

[Mayberryfan]

It has been discussed before that Jimmy Moore makes people here uncomfortable. He may be a nice guy, he may not be, who knows? But I think it would take more than one pair of Kimmer's white stretch pants to cover his ego!

But that's just MHO.

[cleochatra]

Everyone finds their own "place" but those who point the finger at lcf should examine their own actions as well.

Totally. And especially them. See, I pray to the same God, and He says that meekness ain't a bad thing, especially when you've made people's hair fall out. Jesus had some kick-butt hair.

Let's look at the blamers, here. At a board where it has been known that there has been anti-LCF sentiment in the past. But it's so early 2007. How unoriginal. Are we talking about people with days of the week underpants? I thought people had to be 13 to use the internet, but apprently they're sneaking in there when the substitute teacher is reading her Fabio novels.

People need to look closely at who the finger-pointers are and say it with me now: "Honey, don't you go wagging that dog." Oh no you di'unt.

LCF continues to thrive and exist in spite of upstart boards with their upstart agendas. That must hurt. But to take it out on the people here is just wanky and unoriginal. And self-serving. But then... who are we talking about here.

[cleochatra]

Oh. And as for the chicken butt Elmo diet? Kimmer didn't win. Again, consumers with children did.

It's ridiculous to state that Kimmer wins when another scam is taken down. Hello? Hello? Common sense falling in your bowl of oatmeal! Plop!

"Hello, o eater of oatmeal. My name is common sense."

"Hello... err... you are in my oatmeal bowl."

"Yes. I am in your oatmeal bowl to tell you that people should never encourage people to eat a very low calorie diet. In fact, people who try to make people pay for a diet which encourages them to eat very little are also known as the types of people the FTC likes to investigate. Ergo, it's a baddy bad thing to encourage people to pay a lot of money to be told to follow an unoriginal and potentially very dangerous weight loss plan."

[/public service message brought to you by the oatmeal growers of America and the man on the Quaker box because he looks pretty cool]

[Katinsac]

I wasn't going to get into the Me vs Them anymore but I just read Medusa's blog on Becky's me, me, me....I'm sorry but I have to comment. Becky...you, you, you....You have to do all that stuff or you would not be worth a thing after all the support you gave at KK. You were her puppet and yes, you should feel guilty for it. You fell hook, line and sinker like a lot of us and for that I am sorry. Because you were on the inside and had so much information, you SHOULD have gone to John and tell all....but...you did not do it alone. If it wasn't for this site and others telling you she was a scam, you would still be there so, please, do not try to take all the credit. This was a group action and maybe you had a little more info but you did not do it alone. I have a lot of respect for you standing up and finally "telling all" but it was your responsibility. You just happen to be the one in the know of the inside stuff. Everyone else has helped in their own way and even with what you knew, it could not have been done without the duck patrol. So move one and continue the fight against Kimmer and try to heal.

[Nady]

Originally Posted by ketosis

Ditto.

I repeat myself but I have lurked and visited a lot of the other low carb sites. I never feel welcome there and particularly at Jimmy's site right now with all the little digs. I felt free to post in this thread from day one. It keeps me on track to "belong" here and I do not feel like a hater or part of a soap operal.

I am accountable for my actions and I don't blame anyone else. It makes me sad when I see the loss of focus and infighting and it is not necessary. But I cannot control anyone but me.

Everyone finds their own "place" but those who point the finger at lcf should examine their own actions as well.

Same here~ I use the same name but don't post~ don't feel welcome. I get tired of the digs toward LFC and not just at Jimmy's. And the thing is, over the last 5 months, I haven't seen much help from those other boards either~ but the simple fact is Kimkins gives ALL low carb sites a black eye, just by Heidi's claim that KK is a 'low carb' diet (it's not).

I read Becky's posts on the subject, (yes I'm a lurking member there too) and I must say I'm disappointed that she would be so quick to blame LCF ~ so quick to believe any claim made by Heidi! You would think Heidi's credibility is shot at this point~ or maybe believing her is a habit that is still a bit difficult for some to break~

Very disappointed~ guess I thought she was past pointing fingers.
~~~N

[jwc]

Of Chickens and Magic

Is stealing less reprehensible if you steal from a thief? Of course, we could ask Heidi the same question since the majority of her images came from sites with reputations for stealing from the world’s lonely hearts club. Heidi’s not really one that ought to complaining about “copycats.” The Internet truly is today’s “Wild Wild West.”

The advertisement for the Magic Chicken website design stated they wanted a “clone” of Kimkins. Stealing code is illegal, if that’s what they did. It’s much harder to say if copyright infringement took place if you borrow a “look.” To know this, you need to analyze the code side-by-side, but the design request certainly smacks of borrowing more than just a general look. The following site provides a synopsis of the complicated world of website copyright.

PlagiarismToday » Web Design Plagiarism

Since the site changed dramatically from when GoDaddy brought it down to its reemergence, I’m guessing there was a certain “borrowing” between thieves. Yes, the woman appears to be real and her lies pale in comparison to the deception wrought by Kimmer. However,…stealing is stealing.

Of Tippy and Lasses

I believe in forgiveness when there is genuine remorse. “I’m sorry, but by the way, I don’t really have anything to be sorry about,” is not genuine remorse.

Of Power to the People

I’ve watched the demise of Kimmer with a mixture of “fascination” and amazement. I’m fascinated that one person could deceive so completely, and amazed at the phenomenon that exposed this deceit. This on-going event would pose an excellent study in the evolution of social behavior and history. This new thing we call the Internet provides the venue for today’s Snake Oil Salesman, but it also creates a world of Pinkertons and Nancy Drews who continue working together to expose this charlatan with deadly accuracy.

I keep thinking about the phenomenal power of a diverse bunch of mostly women. By ourselves, most of us are not likely rich or powerful. Between the combinations of those who left the KK site, and those who simply see a wrong that needs addressed, we make a powerful combination. Let’s keep that powerful combination in tact regardless of differences in opinion. Focus on the end result.

Outside of the Kimkins phenomenon, I often wonder what we as society might accomplish if we used the Internet to direct the same passion and cooperative investigation against something like the genocide in Darfur. What a force to be reckoned with!

[Awakened]

Originally Posted by jwc

I keep thinking about the phenomenal power of a diverse bunch of mostly women. By ourselves, most of us are not likely rich or powerful. Between the combinations of those who left the KK site, and those who simply see a wrong that needs addressed, we make a powerful combination. Let’s keep that powerful combination in tact regardless of differences in opinion. Focus on the end result.

[Sheridan]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

Sheridan - Is it completely impossible to see that Deni might have had some qualms about seeing that there could be some truth here based on what I call the "Duck Panther Party" (By Any Means Necessary) actions that have occurred over the course of this thread?

I don't say this in any way to belittle the work we've done. I know how hard we've worked together to stop Heidi's fraud, but there has been some stepping over the line or even just talk of stepping over the line. I can see how that would be a turn off to some people. It's made me stop posting as much as I have in the past.

Jeanessa, I grew up in a cult. I'm acutely aware of how people in cults react to ANY outside questioning or criticism. ANYthing that questions the foundation of belief OR their leader is cause for labeling the ones speaking out as "haters" or worse. That doesn't make what the critics say untrue, and it doesn't mean that how the critics say it wrong, either; sometimes it takes 'not pretty to get people's attention. Someone who is genuinely interested in the truth of a thing will get past anything they find a 'turn off'.

Coming to the truth of something isn't easy, it isn't pretty, and it doesn't have a roadmap. People who have been harmed or those who are rightfully outraged even if they weren't don't always speak in pretty words, they don't always do things the "right" way. I can overlook that, and perhaps my error is in believing other adults can also.

Originally Posted by Nady

Same here~ I use the same name but don't post~ don't feel welcome. I get tired of the digs toward LFC and not just at Jimmy's. And the thing is, over the last 5 months, I haven't seen much help from those other boards either~ but the simple fact is Kimkins gives ALL low carb sites a black eye, just by Heidi's claim that KK is a 'low carb' diet (it's not).

I read Becky's posts on the subject, (yes I'm a lurking member there too) and I must say I'm disappointed that she would be so quick to blame LCF ~ so quick to believe any claim made by Heidi! You would think Heidi's credibility is shot at this point~ or maybe believing her is a habit that is still a bit difficult for some to break~

Very disappointed~ guess I thought she was past pointing fingers.
~~~N

That goes for me, too.

[mama MIA]

Didn't people here believe that it WAS because of LCF's uncovering of Chicken Diet that made it shut down? Even if it was because of Kimmer (who got it from here) did the doing. I know many were happy it was closed.

Now that we know different, there is a lot of back swimming on this thread. Lets give Becky time to learn the truth and do a little backstroke of her own.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by mama MIA

Didn't people here believe that it WAS because of LCF's uncovering of Chicken Diet that made it shut down? Even if it was because of Kimmer (who got it from here) did the doing. I know many were happy it was closed.

Now that we know different, there is a lot of back swimming on this thread. Lets give Becky time to learn the truth and do a little backstroke of her own.

No one is stopping her from doing a backstroke. In fact, 2Big4MySize tried to give her that Opportunity early on. Rest assured, if Deni is here, My bet would be that Becky is reading this too.

Nothing is stopping her from saying "Oops, my bad".

Actually what I think is going on here is that there is an opportunity for a "healing" that has needed to take place for a long time. For both sides.

It's up to Becky if she wants to be a part of that "Healing" or allow the wound to continue to fester.

We get upset when things get ugly on here, but there seems to be a cycle of purging that goes on and either Uniting or Agreeing to disagree and we then move on.

The "Truth" is not always pretty. To find the truth ends up being very soul searching for everyone.

In the End, everyone will continue the work against Kimkins, no matter if that Opportunity for "healing" takes place or not.

It would be great if we could truly unite and not just a case of "The Enemy of My Enemy is my friend". Oh, that can work, but it sure as heck feels like a "Use job".

I keep trying to sit on my hands, but I'm not doing a very good job of it.

Bottom line?

Ball is in Becky's Court.

[Nady]

Originally Posted by mama MIA

Didn't people here believe that it WAS because of LCF's uncovering of Chicken Diet that made it shut down? Even if it was because of Kimmer (who got it from here) did the doing. I know many were happy it was closed.

Now that we know different, there is a lot of back swimming on this thread. Lets give Becky time to learn the truth and do a little backstroke of her own.

What makes everyone so sure Heidi didn't discover this site for herself? We all know she haunts the Internet, does searched in unlikely places~ it's not hard to find the ad on freelancer~ GetAFreelancer.com - Magic Chicken Diet She has probably known about it since it first went up.

Yes, we may have (temporarily) shut it down with all the sudden traffic this board generated, but it's just like Heidi to 'spin' it for her remaining followers~
~~~N

[RockyMtnAngelEyes]

Morgan, you can stalk me anytime...

Cleo! It's so good to see you my friend!

Tooter, Cleo, 2big, Morgan, Sherri, and those I'm forgetting.. I haven't said anything about all this, but I'm glad you have.. You speak for me, and so much better than I could have ever said it...

[mama MIA]

Originally Posted by Nady

What makes everyone so sure Heidi didn't discover this site for herself? We all know she haunts the Internet, does searched in unlikely places~ it's not hard to find the ad on freelancer~ GetAFreelancer.com - Magic Chicken Diet She has probably known about it since it first went up.

Yes, we may have (temporarily) shut it down with all the sudden traffic this board generated, but it's just like Heidi to 'spin' it for her remaining followers~
~~~N

It will be funny to see that Heidi had nothing to do with it, but went on to brag. Who knows? I hope we get the the answer soon.

Tooter, I agree.

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by mama MIA

It will be funny to see that Heidi had nothing to do with it, but went on to brag. Who knows? I hope we get the the answer soon.

Tooter, I agree.

That WOULD be funny!

I have my fingers crossed that we will have the answers soon.

[Nady]

Additional thoughts on the MCD~ maybe when (if) the site crashed, she followed the trail back to the links posted here and after reading the posts/blogs, realized that Kimkins was the last site she wanted to resemble. That would account for the new look and 'modified' diet~ Maybe we did her a big favor~ she benefits from KK's mistakes!
~~~N

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by RockyMtnAngelEyes

Morgan, you can stalk me anytime...

Cleo! It's so good to see you my friend!

Tooter, Cleo, 2big, Morgan, Sherri, and those I'm forgetting.. I haven't said anything about all this, but I'm glad you have.. You speak for me, and so much better than I could have ever said it...

Hey, Sweetheart!

[SMP]

Originally Posted by Sheridan

...
Coming to the truth of something isn't easy, it isn't pretty, and it doesn't have a roadmap. People who have been harmed or those who are rightfully outraged even if they weren't don't always speak in pretty words, they don't always do things the "right" way. I can overlook that, and perhaps my error is in believing other adults can also.

There's an old saying -"Those who love the law and sausages should never see either being made."

[cleochatra]

Dude, the website isn't even gone. The magic chicken diet lives on. So all of the gnashing of teeth at the dingleberryboard and blameplacing... and holier than thous-- for nothing. Was it worth it?

I would venture that one as a big camel-toed zero.

So, long story short-- all of that righteous indignation for naught, but the underlying feelings and blame placing at the feet of LCF come roiling to the surface yet again, like Pamela Lee's inflatable bazooms.

Bobbing bazooms of underlying angst, brought to you by the Magic Chicken Diet.


(Hi, Kiki! LTNS)

[Magicsmom]

Can I just muse here a little bit about journals? To me, a journal is a nicely bound little book with a ribbon bookmarker that you write your innermost thoughts in. It's kept in your nightstand or wherever else you think it will be safe from prying eyes.

If I were going to post something because I was furious about something and name the people I held responsible, I don't think I would pick an internet site to do it. The very people you are talking about can [and did] go there to read it. Why does it keep being brought up that Becky was writing in her journal as if we invaded her privacy and read things meant for her eyes only? Calling a thread a journal does not make it private. Anybody can read there, and anybody who registers can post there. So if you want your privacy ensured, pick another place to be furious. When you choose a public place like the internet, accept the fallout you create, especially when you are furious at the wrong people for the wrong reason. A lot of ruffled duck feathers can be smoothed over with a heartfelt apology.

Now, let's get back to the business of getting Kimmer out of business. New Years is just around the corner and people are going to be looking for a quick way to lose the holiday pounds. Hopefully, they won't be willing to pay $60 to join, but some will be and we owe it to them to keep focused.

[2big4mysize]

Okay my turn to address this since my name is included now.
First I was aware of Becky's post and those snippets Awakedend pasted last are NOT part of that post. and there are statements in the orginal post that have not even been addressed in discussion of it here.
I didn't want to bring it here to discuss.
I didn't address it in my blog nor in her blog.
I didn't copy and paste it to a new topic there to discuss it
I addressed it in her journal where it appeared for all reades, posters, and lurkers to see and even for google searches to find.
Had topic 6 not been locked I would have adressed it there but it was so i posted in topic 7.
Jimmie Moore has stated in a Pm that all topics are open even journals adn anybody can post commnets in them so there was no violating the sanctity of Becky's journal.
I'd hoped Becky would realize the power of her words written in anger and go back and correct that post before it turned into what it has become.

I quoted the relavant statement because my whole point was it slammed everybody All members of LCFs all Bloggers and later down in her page all facination topic posters. those were the words she used, Then she just stated They did..... and listed her accusation from the MCD to reputaion attacks. Since everybody learned in grammar school english theys refer to previous plural nous all those theys referresd to all LCFs and all bloggers not those individual posters on LCFs and bloggers of the internet who in her opinion had cost the MCD person her site. Those broad brush strokes needed to be addressed because I hope Becky never meant to start a us vs them, with the them being LCF and bloggers, but that is exactly what her words were provoking. It wasn't even an untouchables vs all other antikimmer fighter. Christin and Awakened have posted on LCF, in the facination topic and have blogs to so Becky was slamming them too with those broad statements.

that was what i adressed. not dividing the communities and slurring entire groups of people for the actions of a few. We all need to work as hard as we can and support each other in this fight which will grow exponentially come Jan new years weight loss resolutions. Since the lawsuit hearings are not until later in 08 the focus right now needs to be on generating 404 errors for all kimkin.con support sites and to help those search engines find all the informational anti kimkins sites and blogs when those tens of thousands of folks who resolve to loss thier excess pounds and want it done yesterday as many of us did when we began our weight loss journey hit the computer for a fast, easy, effortless way to shed them.

Regarless of wheather you believe Becky was right to post what she did or I was right to post what i did please do whatever you can to help with the effort to generate 404 Error pages and move the good sides blogs and informational articles up in the search engine rankings right now by clicking the links WW6 and others post so you can report the sites to their hosts policy violations. WW6 is researching them before she posts them so she knows they violate the policy or are spam and is even helping us challenged folk find the report buttons. You guys would be amazed how many 404 Errors are popping up now for sites that have been posted, but like was earlier stated ripoff reports only has 6 total complaints from all the dissatisfied customers of kimkins.con. Come on banned camp folk take a field trip to that site and write your complaint too.
KimkinsSurvivors is back on the front page of google searches after just 1 commnet on each surviors page. just think where it might bee if all antikimkins folk clicked it and posted statements of care and concern for all the brave survivors who have shared their stories on all the low carb communitiees. might even pass kimkins.con on that list and wouldn't that be a great thing! That is one place we can say to anyone even thinking about doing kimkins "don't take my word for it read about real folk who have suffered from doing it".
How about it anybody up for the challenge?

[Sherrie_lc]

Deni there are many of us whom admit things gets rough here and people have apologised for it over and over again and we have always tried to welcome everybody. No-one has said Becky was wrong when she mentioned Hector. I don't know what happened as I haven't been keeping up with this thread but by the sounds of what Becky said it got nasty and it shouldn't have happened. At the same token especially in the early days we tried so hard to keep this thread a support thread and you all still criticised us, frankly it felt like banging our heads against a brick wall sometimes. Granted I am in a different time zone so there could have been more nastiness that I didn't see because it was later scrubbed by the moderators/admins.

Then her second post, a lot of us that have put in so much time into this it's not funny, are offended with every right to be.

And whilst I appreciate it is her journal and place to vent, this thread has also been our journal and place to vent on this whole mess, why aren't we given the same respect?

I do appreciate all Becky has done since leaving Kimkins but at the same time that doesn't make her infallible just like our efforts don't make us infallible.

Originally Posted by Awakened

I am probably going to regret this, but I feel that I have to say something on this whole Becky discussion.

What you may not realize is that this whole discussion is only making her words seem more true to anyone who isn't "one of you".

Her words were written ... IN HER JOUNRAL. Isn't she entitled to an opinion? Isn't she entitled to feeling angry at times or hurt or even just plain old grumpy sometimes? In the very first sentence of this "post in question" she said she was upset with LCF people for being "PART" of driving the site out of business. She didn't blame you all for taking it down.. she was mad because you all "directed" Kimmer to it. Obviously none of you knew that Kimmer was going to go and get it shut down.. and obviously none of us knew that KImmer's "reach" wasn't going to last long.

Becky is very mad at KIMMER... and on this particular day you all played a part in giving Kimmer something to get a hold of.

Becky also pointed out that the FAscination thread "has done a lot of good work". She also pointed out that she appreciates the value of the Fascination thread and the good intentions and contributions of many people there.

I know you all only want to look at her "angry" words... but I don't think it's fair to only look at someone's anger when they are trying to express themselves in a fair and balanced way. She isn't one sided and mean here.. she is pointing out the negatives AND the positives at LCF.

She doesn't say she wants the Fascination thread gone. She points out the fact that LCF has the original "HOW TO DO KIMKINS" thread there, and that people are still USING KIMKINS here. I know you all have a problem with that too don't you?

She points out that sometimes you all make remarks about people who are "innocent" in this matter. Can you honestly say that you have never said a rude comment about someone OTHER than Kimmer just to be funny? I think we have all been guilty of doing that at times, and it's wrong to excuse it and think it's okay to hurt someone's feelings "just because".

Becky constantly comes back to the point that KIMMER is the real problem here. Kimmer is who we are after. (we all agree on this right?)

She also has a very valid point in mentioning that SOMETIMES the "WAY" in which this thread goes after or ridicules anyone involved with this whole Kimkins debacle can get out of hand. And whether you would like to believe it or not... more often than not, it's the unneccessary comments that turn MANY people away from listening to your very VALID comments.

I for one can speak for myself in saying that while I was still at Kimkins.. and was totally ignorant about all of the fraud and lies and even unhealthiness... I saw this Fascination thread as a major turn off. I was insulted and disgusted by the tone that this thread often takes. And because I saw "ugliness" I was easily able to right off any "logic" and "truth" that came up inbetween personal stabs.
If it weren't for Becky, I NEVER would have considered that anything written on this site might have some truth to it. And Kimmer knows this. She plays it very well. She feeds the fire and then uses it to her benefit.
I think THIS fact is what Becky was really mad at deep inside. She has watched Heidi USE your tactics for HER benefit over and over again. And it's still happening.
I know that you all are caring, strong, and very committed women. I know now that your intentions are the same as mine. (Get Kimkins shut down and Heidi in jail!)
But it hurts me to see the way that you all still refuse to admit that you might be stepping on some toes along the way.

I (and BEcky too for that matter) appreciate all the exposing that you have done. I know how hard you all have worked... I've watched it play out right here on this board. But some of you may not realize that sometimes things need to stay BEHIND the scenes in order to actually accomplish things legally. Tipping of the enemy is not always the best game plan.
And when someone points out that you (the Fascination thread heros) aren't above reproach yourselves.. the first reaction is to poke fun at them and laugh at the idea that she might have a tiny bit of truth in her statements.

The saddest part for me, is that I'm actually shaking before hitting the SUBMIT button, because I know that this post might get some of you to say things about me that will hurt my feelings.

I just wish it didn't have to be this way.

[susique333]

Originally Posted by JustKim

doing okay had to pop back in to the doctor today (it's nice to work at a hospital!) and he gave me a shot to get rid of the headache...still waiting for it to kick in

Oh hon. Im sorry about your headache! Do you see a chiro too, it might be a good plan especially is youve got neck tension that rides up the skull? As I mentioned before, it took my son and his wife weeks to get over the car accident they were in. Whip lash, headaches, sore jaw etc. My son has developed a kink in his shoulder blade now and the chiropractor says hes chasing the injury in circles! It was a pretty bad rear-end.

[marnaewilson]

I am still wondering why it was so bad to criticize and question the Magic Chicken diet, which is really all that happened here. It's still low fat, low carb, low cal, just like Kimkins, and it tried to use the same marketing and web approach. Yes, the major difference was that Bonnie was a real person and used real pictures, but so were Christin and Deni. Why is that diet getting a pass while Kimkins is totally killing people? What's wrong with looking into a questionable Kimkins look alike?

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by marnaewilson

I am still wondering why it was so bad to criticize and question the Magic Chicken diet, which is really all that happened here. It's still low fat, low carb, low cal, just like Kimkins, and it tried to use the same marketing and web approach. Yes, the major difference was that Bonnie was a real person and used real pictures, but so were Christin and Deni. Why is that diet getting a pass while Kimkins is totally killing people? What's wrong with looking into a questionable Kimkins look alike?

[susique333]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

Jeanessa: I also touted the KK site to my friends and family! Thank goodness none of them signed up but I had to go back and tell them it was all a scam. They just laughed hysterically. I did eat crow for a while!

Ewww Cheryl...I had to do this too. I talked my baby sister into joining and one of my daughters. Talk about feeling like a total fool.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by marnaewilson

I am still wondering why it was so bad to criticize and question the Magic Chicken diet, which is really all that happened here. It's still low fat, low carb, low cal, just like Kimkins, and it tried to use the same marketing and web approach. Yes, the major difference was that Bonnie was a real person and used real pictures, but so were Christin and Deni. Why is that diet getting a pass while Kimkins is totally killing people? What's wrong with looking into a questionable Kimkins look alike?

I think the reason that people are saying Magic Chicken Diet should be left alone is that it does not appear to have been built on fraud. However, as I said in a post last night, I will never believe anything I see on the internet again. It very well may be based on fraud, for all we know.