Why the fascination with Kimmer? #11

[JadeRosie]

Originally Posted by EasyPeas

Joanie, I wanted to expand on my statement "large transfers are reported to the IRS. Which would leave a trail. Hence.... the money is not hidden"

There's a lot of focus on Heidi's legal troubles as far as the lawsuit, and I agree, she's in trouble there. But I personally think she may have a bigger problem, and that is the IRS. If one only considers the money that came into Paypal, and nothing else, that income will be reported by Paypal to the IRS automatically at years end. If she made as much as it appears she has, in a single calendar year, she's looking at some massive tax payments....a million or more.... not only as a business, but also as an individual. If she hasn't handled the IRS piece correctly (and I really doubt she has...) at some point they will come looking for her, either on the business side or on the personal side. And when they do, they won't take "gee, sorry, lost it in Vegas as an answer." They will audit every cent she's spent in the last forever, to see if her expenditures correspond with her stated income. If she can't prove where the money came from for every last gallon of milk or sugar cookie or whatever, they'll assume she's understating her income and she will be in serious trouble. By the time they get finished with her, there will be nothing left. It's called "income tax evasion" and it's one thing that brings people down when nothing else does. And if she is found to have evaded taxes, there is nothing that will get her out of that, she will owe back taxes and penalties so deep and so high, she will be paying living in poverty and paying the IRS for the rest of her life. So personally, I'm not sure that John Tiedt is her biggest problem. And I think if she managed to hide a little of her money for now, it's just a matter of time before even that gets taken away.

JMHO

Unless she's got a swiss bank account, they're going to be able to find it. And it's really as easy as "you owe income taxes on your 1.6 million." She can deduct expenses, but there weren't THAT many.

She should have been making estimated payments the whole time though.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by JoanieOrchard

I don't know. Is that her date of birth? May 14?

Originally Posted by WildAngel6

There is a LCF member called Mogo...

Could the 514 be her birthdate? She was talking about her birthday being in May and wanting to lose weight by then.

Close but Heidi's birth date according to court documents pertaining to her school loan is 5-10-1958 and I have Brandon's as 5-01- but I don't have the source so I can't verify that date.

[EasyPeas]

Originally Posted by wackytobeme

gosh, now I feel "speshchul" too.


EasyPeas, you remind me of someone I know, do we know each other?

Of course we know each other!!!

You're wackytobeme, that pot stirring pot stirrer that stirs pots!

And I'm EasyPeas..... that easy-pea-ing easy pea-er that peas easy!

[MollyBrown]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

Will be joining the suit, very soon I'm sure, as I feel my little side project will soon give me the boot.

Still able to get in, but we will see what happens this week.

I had to get some screen shots for personal purposes, and I think I'm covered.

I don't think you have to be banned to join the lawsuit. If you are a paying Kimkins member, you should be able to claim you were defrauded by the lies about Kimmer's weight loss and the before and after pics.

Does anyone have definitive knowledge of the rules under which someone can join the lawsuit?

[JoanieOrchard]

Originally Posted by EasyPeas

Joanie, I wanted to expand on my statement "large transfers are reported to the IRS. Which would leave a trail. Hence.... the money is not hidden"

There's a lot of focus on Heidi's legal troubles as far as the lawsuit, and I agree, she's in trouble there. But I personally think she may have a bigger problem, and that is the IRS. If one only considers the money that came into Paypal, and nothing else, that income will be reported by Paypal to the IRS automatically at years end. If she made as much as it appears she has, in a single calendar year, she's looking at some massive tax payments....a million or more.... not only as a business, but also as an individual. If she hasn't handled the IRS piece correctly (and I really doubt she has...) at some point they will come looking for her, either on the business side or on the personal side. And when they do, they won't take "gee, sorry, lost it in Vegas" as an answer. They will audit every cent she's spent in the last forever, to see if her expenditures correspond with her stated income. If she can't prove where the money came from for every last gallon of milk or sugar cookie or whatever, they'll assume she's understating her income and she will be in serious trouble. By the time they get finished with her, there will be nothing left. It's called "income tax evasion" and it's one thing that brings people down when nothing else does. And if she is found to have evaded taxes, there is nothing that will get her out of that, she will owe back taxes and penalties so deep and so high, she will be paying living in poverty and paying the IRS for the rest of her life. So personally, I'm not sure that John Tiedt is her biggest problem. And I think if she managed to hide a little of her money for now, it's just a matter of time before even that gets taken away.

JMHO

You know, I never really gave any of that any thought at all. My God, you are so right. And I thought I had stress! I wonder if she's been making quarterly tax payments? Not only what you said, but by even operating Kimkins she's proven that she can earn money and hopefully she's already lost her SSI, and I would guess it would be almost impossible for her to get that back.

With all of that, how could she go for that deposition and appear so unconcerned. I don't get it.

[ketosis]

Originally Posted by EasyPeas

Regarding Amy's site and TT.... I think Honeybee was correct when she said the situation was the drama, not behavior by those from this board.

I've been a member at Amy's for a while. When I read the TT stuff over there, it was clear to me that some long-time people from Amy's own board expressed as much upset at her presence.... if not more so.... than anyone from this board.

Another point, isn't it beter that tippy was outed early on rather than after she had been privy to some private posts and experiences from existing members?

If I were a long term member there and welcomed her and she participated for a few days or weeks and then it was revealed who she is I would be a lot more angry and feel a lot more victimized then. Better to have it out there quickly.

And I am still trying to sort out this hatred of LCF out there. If this forum didn't exist and this thread was shut down who would still be there, how many more would still be joining, how much more extreme would Heidi go, and how much more damage would be done?

If someone really wants to do her diet it is on a few free boards as it always was but to allow her to continue untethered is just a horrible thought to me.

So again why the hostility to lcf?

[BamaGal]

ok the mogo and 514

I have been working on a hunch lately about Heidi, using the WLS angle---scouring some of the WLS forums I belong to---

found this mogo person on one of the sites who joined right when the PI pics came out

in the few posts that were made she stated needed to lose alot of weight---her life had been very difficult for 15 months and this person was eating because of stress


oh well I'll keep looking.....

[JoanieOrchard]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

to be 12/5---Wednesday---if she fails to appear---which she has done many times before---she could be arrested...

Ut oh. Prison clothing is not the least bit flattering.

[EasyPeas]

Originally Posted by JadeRosie

Unless she's got a swiss bank account, they're going to be able to find it. And it's really as easy as "you owe income taxes on your 1.6 million." She can deduct expenses, but there weren't THAT many.

She should have been making estimated payments the whole time though.

Right. Forgetting the money she actually has left now, her 2007 income for June alone was 1.2 million. Not counting her income from the rest of the year. Easily a couple of million or more. After her expenses and deductions, I'd bet she's still in the 50% tax bracket when federal and all the other taxes are factored in... and 50% of a even couple million is.... a million.

Of course.... she has until April 2008 to off-set that a little by opening herself an IRA.... and gee, that would reduce that million in taxes by, what.... $4000.00....?

[Katinsac]

Honey...don't know who posted Amy's stuff at Kimkins but sure wish someone had been lurking and saw it so we would have known! Maybe Kimmer or TT did it themselves. We know how much they like drama. Most of us here have been banned and cannot go there to post so that leaves Amy's people and I know a few of her people over there are still active on the KK site. I see there posts all the time over there. Sorry Amy....your people are not innocent in all this either.

[Katinsac]

Originally Posted by EasyPeas

Right. Forgetting the money she actually has left now, her 2007 income for June alone was 1.2 million. Not counting her income from the rest of the year. Easily a couple of million or more. After her expenses and deductions, I'd bet she's still in the 50% tax bracket... and 50% of a even couple million is.... a million.

Of course.... she has until April 2008 to off-set that a little by opening herself an IRA.... and gee, that would reduce that million in taxes by, what.... $4000.00....?

Oh, I bet it is higher than a 50% tax bracket

[Katinsac]

well, my birthday is right inbetween Heidi's and Brandon's!! yuck!!

[Katinsac]

I don't know if it was mentioned here or not, but, how did they find out Heidi bought a house? Have they checked to see if she bought more than one? We know she has no credit so everything she has, she had to pay cash for.

[Katinsac]

we know she bought new computers, 2 cars, a house and new clothes....what else do you think she'd spend money on? oh yeah, don't forget the captain morgan and sugar cookies w/sprinkles!! Bet they have WII, and IPODs too!! lol

[JoanieOrchard]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

ok the mogo and 514

I have been working on a hunch lately about Heidi, using the WLS angle---scouring some of the WLS forums I belong to---

found this mogo person on one of the sites who joined right when the PI pics came out

in the few posts that were made she stated needed to lose alot of weight---her life had been very difficult for 15 months and this person was eating because of stress


oh well I'll keep looking.....

You mention WLS. I have wondered if, at some point, over the last months if she didn't just have that surgery because that's the only way she's going to get that weight off. I don't believe the weight loss she is showing on the main page of Kimkins, but if she IS losing that kind of weight, I don't see any other way she could do that unless she's had the surgery. With the privacy laws being what they are, how would we ever find out about that?

[Katinsac]

Hey, Kimmer....let me be your first charity case...I could use some of that dirty money to get out of debt!! thanks

[Sheridan]

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

TT was trying to come off as a KK survivor and nothing more.

Snipped a bunch. . .

Yes, she did try to pass herself off as "one of them". But true to Tippy's style, she also planted the seeds of discord by *itching about it with her remarks about the fraud, etc. She trives on controversy and drama.

I doubt she has it in her to join a site like a regular, normal person would and will easily be spotted if she tries it again.

Originally Posted by **Lola**

To me it seems like Kimmer was in it more for the adulation and attention than the money and hence she couldn't retire the persona that was garnering her all of the attention (even if most of it turned negative..it was still attention).

That's typical of narcissists and sociopaths.

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Thanks Joanie I am not exactly sure why it bothered me. Oddly, I don't think I feel bad or wrong for posting the information or for how I behaved on the board. I don't mean that in a snarky/egotistical way at all. But I think I am more upset, I guess you would say, because it seemed to be assumed that we did behave badly at Amy's. Almost like I felt like I needed to defend "the haters"/the "ducks" that did go to Amy's to read, post or look around.

Dearheart, you did nothing wrong! Nothing. It needed to be done.

This is NOT a slam or any sort of the thing against Amy, but it really is naive to not understand that there WOULD (and WILL) be drama - high drama at that - if and when Tippy or Kimmer would start posting at another site. Their middle names ARE drama, for pity's sake. There's no getting around that fact. I think Amy being down with a bad cold and having it all happen pretty fast was caught off guard.

I agree with MrsM that it's a GOOD thing it happened as it did and when it did, before anyone was sucked in by her again, especially someone who had been mistreated before.

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Honey...don't know who posted Amy's stuff at Kimkins but sure wish someone had been lurking and saw it so we would have known! Maybe Kimmer or TT did it themselves. We know how much they like drama. Most of us here have been banned and cannot go there to post so that leaves Amy's people and I know a few of her people over there are still active on the KK site. I see there posts all the time over there. Sorry Amy....your people are not innocent in all this either.

it was posted in the carpet bomb over at Kimkins---aduckymole stated they ave screen shots available

Originally Posted by Katinsac

I don't know if it was mentioned here or not, but, how did they find out Heidi bought a house? Have they checked to see if she bought more than one? We know she has no credit so everything she has, she had to pay cash for.

mclurkypants stated the Tiedt(sp?) brought in a firm that finds money/assets in this typo of case

[Katinsac]

good point Joanie...you may be right. too bad we can't find medical records. didn't some verify she did have it years ago? if so, I don't think you can have it again, can you? Gee...with the 40,000 members, you'd think there would be one that new her personally!!

[Katinsac]

yes, Bama, but I don't think it was that company that found that info but I could be wrong.

[Katinsac]

I know Amy has a cold like me but something she said bothers me...she said her Admin would be handling the situation because she just could not deal with it (or something to that affect). Sounds like she let her Admin ban TT. What a smooth move Amy. If you are going to run a site you need to handle your own problems. If you did let your Admin do it, that was wrong. You should have told TT that you reconsidered and due to popular demand, she would not be able to post there and would have to move on.

Anyone know TT's husbands's logon?

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by JoanieOrchard

You mention WLS. I have wondered if, at some point, over the last months if she didn't just have that surgery because that's the only way she's going to get that weight off. I don't believe the weight loss she is showing on the main page of Kimkins, but if she IS losing that kind of weight, I don't see any other way she could do that unless she's had the surgery. With the privacy laws being what they are, how would we ever find out about that?

it was said at one time she had the surgery years ago---

there are tricks in the WLS communities that can be used to get weight loss restarted---this person was posting in one of those areas

what about the name gretchen----that click with anyone.....

[ketosis]

Originally Posted by McLurkypants

Clexus was added as a defendant right after Hidey's deposition. She had to answer all kinds of questions about the success before/after photos & where they came from, and my understanding is that during her deposition, she implicated the owner of Clexus in that part of the fraud. The company may be based in Turkey, but "Clexus New Media" is a registered business in Pennsylvania.

I bet she implicated more than just Clexus too. I bet Tippy and SL and other early admin's were blamed for all kinds of things.

Also if Clexus is added as a party to the suit they are more likely to answer in full and complete to save their own butts rather than if they are just subpoena'd (sp?)

Originally Posted by Katinsac

I agree that Heidi could not move a lot of money from Paypal without drawing attention, etc., but I also believe she left it there so if and when she was sued that they would think that is all she had....

I am betting too that she figured that it was relatively anonymous there. Wasn't her paypal address Kimmer@kimmer.com or something like that? She probably thought no one would know because with paypal it is failry easy to open an account with bogus info if you are not moving it out to a bank account.

Originally Posted by JoanieOrchard

I know we saw the Paypal statement (for October, wasn't it?), but how do we know that that amount of money was there when the court attached it? And why couldn't she transfer a large amount out and then go to the bank and get it in cash? Yes, it's reported to the IRS anything over 10,000, but taking her own money out of the bank isn't illegal. Could she not then say that she went to Vegas and dropped at the craps table? And really, all along starting when much of this came to light over the late summer, couldn't she have been taking money out of the account then in cash and hiding it?


I know she thinks she's smarter than everyone else, but she can't really be that stupid not to have tried to hide some of that money.

Both the legal firm that were hired early on and the IRS would be able to disprove a lot of her lies quite easily. They are pro's at this and she is not. Remember when the suit was first filed there was that law firm that specialized in asset recovery? Now it is pretty clear who they were and why

And taking more than 10,000 cash out or depositing more than that does trigger paperwork. She could have taken it out in smaller amounts and I am guessing she did and that she put a lot of her make believe characters on the payroll but again those trails will be followed up and put together.

I am sure she started hiding some but where? Safety deposit box? The IRS is just waiting to swoop in on any of those. A foreign bank? Again the homeland security would be all over her for the exceeding $10,000 and they look for people who do lots of smaller transfers to avoid the radar too.

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Honey...don't know who posted Amy's stuff at Kimkins but sure wish someone had been lurking and saw it so we would have known! Maybe Kimmer or TT did it themselves. We know how much they like drama. Most of us here have been banned and cannot go there to post so that leaves Amy's people and I know a few of her people over there are still active on the KK site. I see there posts all the time over there. Sorry Amy....your people are not innocent in all this either.

I hope Amy knows that there is a 200% probability that Heidi has multiple memberships to her site as well as Jimmy's and all the other low carb forums. And no doubt she joined them all long enough ago to avoid suspicion. That is a given.