Why the fascination with Kimmer? #11

[Amyb1569]

I have 4 kids to get up and start the day. I will be back later to post more about this but let me clear one thing up .
I realize not many of you know me and you do not trust me. I understand that.
I am a mom to 4 children ages 17 to 3. I have been heavy for years and years and yes I was desperate to lose weight. I found Kimkins group and I joined. From that day forward I felt in control. A good thing in some ways..A bad thing in other ways. I lost weight and felt proud. But I think I wanted more faster. That is my fault not anyone else. To be honest I knew KK gave advice etc but I stuck to a few threads with a few people. Amy ( with eating low with Amy) was a big help in me getting and staying on track. While my son was in the hospital for weeks. I posted to Amy quite often and she offered great support. I left the hospital weighing 25 pounds more then I did and worried sick with a child who had just recovered from his 13 brain operation. I also got the news of the cyst in his brain stem had grown and I felt lost. My drug to deal with all of this was FOOD. But as the scale got close to 200 again I panicked and knew I either needed to get back on KK or just eat and get heavy. I jumped back in to KK hard core. I started back on 6/16/07 weighing 192.5.
I worked really hard to TRY to get control of my eating . I think control is the word that stands out to me. I could not control my son's issues so I felt I needed control somehow in my life. That was my weight. In some ways this was good and in others it was bad. I am learning to get back to the idea that food is not my enemy and that I need to eat more and make wise choices. Being a former Atkins girl. I know you can eat and lose. I am working on that
This is what leads me to my thoughts and questions about TT. I asked for private reasons. I will work on sharing them , hopefully today. Can you all give me some time to do that? TT has always been kind to me. She pushed me to eat more. She would PM me often about my weight etc. Deep down TT seems to really enjoy food and like me enjoyed the amount of food on Atkins.
I asked about TT vs Kimmer because this thread seemed to turn to TT instead of KK and I wanted to understand why. I wanted to know and understand if there was a reason for this vs a general dislike for her. I guess you could say fact vs hair color. lol
One thing I would like to address. This is from my heart and as honest as I can be. I did not re join Kimkins to ask anyone to leave her site. I am not recruiting anyone at all. I joined to be there in my threads I have started. End of story.
Is there a new group? What are the details? Who runs it? Why and where? Can you all give me a little time to think and research a few things? I am not one to ignore things. I think that was a problem with me being banned in the first place.
Once again. I am not doing dirty work for TT at KK. I am enjoying my friends there and trying to get back on track. In fact since I have gone back to KK...I have less people PM and e-mailing me. Maybe they think I did the wrong thing going back, maybe they are afraid to talk to me. Heck maybe they realize I am just Amy B and not all that special. LOL
So can you all give me some time today? And try to trust one thing? I am not a little pawn for TT. I found TT to be one way and wanted to understand why others felt a certain way. I was honest about that.

[gibster]

Originally Posted by **Lola**

What difference would it make to you all if Tippy toes starts her own site? I mean she actually did lose a lot of weight unlike Kimmer.

If it was a pay site, I don't see why anyone would join when there are free places all over the net, but still isn't that her business if she chooses to start another site (especially since she apparently isn't welcome on a few other ones)?

A pay site would indicate "expertise" - maybe that bariatric doctor that was watching M&J would come on board as the expert. Hmmmmm....

Originally Posted by Princess Dieter

Hey, I forget who mentioned that BBC American show (in the ON DEMAND section right now) about getting down to a size double zero, but I watched it tonight, and it was sooo scary. It was like reading the Kimmer Thread all over again, what the gals were going through just in a few weeks.

Man, I recommend it. But be warned, it gets very hard to watch how they start getting really, as one of the gals put it, "mental" about food.

Princess - that was me that mentioned the BBC program. Scary, huh? It sort of hit home, tho, didn't it?

[JustKim]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

I was going to read it but started sneezing immediately!!!
But now I think I have figured out the problem.......

OMG that cracked me up!

[JustKim]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

I wonder if she could get around the non-compete clause by tweaking the diet. Normally people that do sign one are compensated for it to make up for a lack of income because they can't compete in that specific area (i.e. dieting sites).

I can't speak for the others, but I personally never signed anything at all

[beachfires]

Originally Posted by Sheridan

a to all the lurkers who just pop in now and then and say Hi.

Lurker here... rightbackatchya
I left these boards because of all the drama going on as the whole KK thing was gettin' ugly. I had enough going on in my own life with my mom's terminal diagnosis. I never did KK but I was a VERY active member of the All I want for Christmas thread (resident exercise guru for the group) as well as the Support Unlimited one (same title...although if you were to ask Melly, it was something like #(%&$()@#*&$ exercise guru). I am sad to see that it is all still going on but incredibly proud of ALL of you who brought it out in the open. There just aren't words to express my gratitude.

I was NEVER harmed by KK but...finding out these things about someone I considered a friend and a confidante (Tippy Toes) is very unsettling.
I like others here will not allow it to control my life, thoughts, emotions or my heart. I will however continue to watch the drama unfold and pray that the Good Lord handles things as he usually does. I may not be around to watch it, but...I know it will be handled and that brings me peace.

[mauitammy]

Originally Posted by anipomoni

You know I totally agree with that. It was no secret here for a long time that Kimmer would say, if you had fat on your body, you didn't need to eat!!! She preached that, and things like that, very often.

And to be completely honest, that part bothers me about others too. I won't point fingers...but certain people just should have known better than to support her and her insane advice. I don't want to sound snarky (that's why I won't name anyone) but it has always made me uneasy how anyone knowledgable about the body can follow and promote her advice.



This also bothers me. Where are all these "good people" at kk? Oh wait, these are the same ones who just want to stay in their challenges and plug their ears (lalalala). What about all those poor people and newbies who don't know about the health concerns and are just following the guidlines as written?? Still as written??

Again, I don't mean to sound rude. I know there is very, very (hopelessly) little anyone at kk can really do without getting banned or deleted. But I don't like this attitude that it's ok to be at kk if you just "MYOB" and stay in your challenge. I don't agree with that. Sorry.

Well, I don't mean to sound snarky either, but I don't think you saying things like this helps anyone. I am an RN and there is/was even a Nurse's Challenge over at Kimkins. I was valedictorian of my class in nursing school. There are even MD's that were members and followed the plan. One of the doctors is posting on this thread.

Did I follow it exactly as Kimmer said? No, but I still was so desperate to lose weight that I considered it. Low carb goes against what most of the mainstream medical community believes in and promotes. If I had followed their advice instead of Dr. Atkins I would still weight 281 pounds. So, you saying we all should have known better really is inappropriate in my opinion.

[OhYeahBabe]

Originally Posted by WildAngel6

Does anyone else ever get the feeling that we are trying to put this great big puzzle together and someone keeps hiding pieces from us?

I feel like we're trying to put out California wild fires of lies with squirt guns!

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by JoanieOrchard

I guess we have no way to prove if Heidi did or didn't lose the weight unless someone who knows her well can verify it. But, my opinion is that she NEVER lost the weight. She hasn't provided even one picture, even after she was busted, that shows she lost the weight. With those stretch pants photos all over the place, if she had a thin picture, she would have put it up on her site. She didn't. Dollars to sugar cookies with sprinkles, she hasn't seen a normal weight in more years than she can remember. That same thing can be said for many of us, but at least we don't lie about it and try to profit from that kind of dishonesty.

Her son's former girlfriend told some of our members that as long as she had known her she was NEVER thin. This is the gal that had her son's baby.

Originally Posted by anipomoni

Umm...so which plan is Kimmer following? I didn't see Ranch dressing allowed on ANY of those lists.

Hmmmm....she wouldn't be following Atkins now would she?

Originally Posted by lisabinil

Here's what Kimmer's doing

"Re:Kimmer's Back on Track Challenge! 9 Hours, 12 Minutes ago

I think I need Boot Camp for a couple of weeks myself. I better go check it out. Too many "tastes" of this and that in my travels and it's not doing me any favors! On the other hand, a friend told me she's planning for maintaining through the New Years. Takes off some of the stress that accompany this time anyway. I think that has some merit ... then again for some people (raising my hand) it can be license to munch."

"I'm only down 1 pound this week, which I'm not even sure about because the scale yesterday said 3 pounds. It's a new scale, what's the problem? Could be that my eating has not been as clean as it could be. Nobody can snack as "innocently" as I do, claiming items are on plan. No one to blame but me.

However, I am very glad to report I've got "jiggly puff" big time (thank heavens!) For anyone who doesn't know, that's when previously firm fat areas are now spongy ... my interpretation isthe "ready to melt" stage. The darned scale won't cooperate, but pants I wore last week are much baggier today (more than 1 pound worth). It has to be water retention (here I go rationalizing again ... sigh).

Someone invited me for pizza this evening (don't people know anything but pizza anymore???) which I turned down. There's a Japanese place in the same area where they cook in front of you, I think that will be much safer ... don't want to think about marinades!

This afternoon I'm going to roast 2 whole chickens that I got on sale. They're not huge, but for $2 and many meals, can't be beat. I stuff the cavity with onion remnants & crushed garlic cloves and the house will smell divine! I toss the carcass in a big pot with water to make soup broth. Suzy Homemaker."

OMG she is not even following HER own plan! She use to yell at us - and was disappointed in us. What? I thought she was afraid to go out among other people - shy?

Originally Posted by JustKim

I can't speak for the others, but I personally never signed anything at all

A condition to signing the contract would have meant money out of her pocket. She would have had to compensate you for that.

[Jazlyn]

What's up with Heidi going over to "check out" boot camp. Didn't she write the thing? You would think she would have it memorized after all these years. She's trying to make herself sound like a newbie.

[pooticus]

Ummm...I'm not on KK, but I'd like to just mention for KK's edification...I'm at 280 this morning. Eat THAT in your bootcamp! (OH? And I'm eating TONS of food!!!!!! Especially veggies!!!!! Even some whole grains!)

[Larcana]

Originally Posted by mauitammy

Well, I don't mean to sound snarky either, but I don't think you saying things like this helps anyone. I am an RN and there is/was even a Nurse's Challenge over at Kimkins. I was valedictorian of my class in nursing school. There are even MD's that were members and followed the plan. One of the doctors is posting on this thread.

Did I follow it exactly as Kimmer said? No, but I still was so desperate to lose weight that I considered it. Low carb goes against what most of the mainstream medical community believes in and promotes. If I had followed their advice instead of Dr. Atkins I would still weight 281 pounds. So, you saying we all should have known better really is inappropriate in my opinion.

Hi Mauitammy,
Guess you're talking about me, I am a doctor and I did join KK to lose weight. I never thought people would starve themselves, like some did.
I joined the Hotties group and kept a journal called Metaquizical Thoughts..
I guess I never really followed her plan because I have always had a special WOE due to Celiac Disease.
I never publicly endorsed her. I did answer medical questions when someone asked me...I was just trying to lose weight.
Hope that clears my part up for anyone wondering. I too, was scammed.
Just because a person is educated, doesn't mean they know everything...and doctors are human first (although some don't seem to be at all).
Lauren

[Larcana]

I'd also, like to thank the LCF forum for giving us our say. I admit I didn't really look into low carb eating until KK...yes, I believed the bad press about Atkins. That's what they teach in med schools. Once I joined Kk and began doing low carb I started really reading everything I could to be armed with knowledge and be able to talk to my colleagues about it. I sure did improve my ability to refer, etc.
Lauren

[2big4mysize]

Amyb

To be honest I knew KK gave advice etc but I stuck to a few threads with a few people. Amy ( with eating low with Amy) was a big help in me getting and staying on track. While my son was in the hospital for weeks. I posted to Amy quite often and she offered great support.

I still don't understand why you are still there? you said you knew she gave out bad advice etc and Amy helped you so why not be active on her site and help her site grow instead of Kimmers?

As to TT let me ask you about this.
She was the paid PR director for the KK site. She had admin access. If she truely felt you and others were eating too low why hide that information in PMs just to you? many folk admire you and are trying to emulate your weight loss. By not posting openly so other members of the kimpire could actually see she felt you were eating your plan too low cal she was rubber stamping all your KK methods as approved by TT as she did every person eating too low cal in her opinion that she failed to post behind on the site and say hey this is unsafe and here is why, but privately PMed them. According to her posts on LCFs before she became the PR director there she felt doing KK long term was unsafe yet she went in there in a power position and deliberately allowed you and all the other KK members doing it too low and posting about it to influence other members of the Kimpire who looked up to you and your success harm. That speaks volumes about her character. She was selective in the KK members she looked out for. What criteria she used in determining which KK members she would "look out for" and which ones she would ignore I have know idea but even in her own words on her own blog she communicated privately with some of them not openly with all of them.

Originally Posted by mauitammy

Well, I don't mean to sound snarky either, but I don't think you saying things like this helps anyone. I am an RN and there is/was even a Nurse's Challenge over at Kimkins. I was valedictorian of my class in nursing school. There are even MD's that were members and followed the plan. One of the doctors is posting on this thread.

Did I follow it exactly as Kimmer said? No, but I still was so desperate to lose weight that I considered it. Low carb goes against what most of the mainstream medical community believes in and promotes. If I had followed their advice instead of Dr. Atkins I would still weight 281 pounds. So, you saying we all should have known better really is inappropriate in my opinion.

When we know something is wrong and fail to speak out about it then by our silence we are condoning it. With a medical education background all of those in that challenge should have been open and communicated I altered the plan to be more healthy by________ so those who were following silently along would not infer well if a group of nurses is doing Kimkins it must be safe.

Again being a member not speaking out infers you are in agreement with the actions of the leadership of the group.

[mauitammy]

Originally Posted by Larcana

Hi Mauitammy,
Guess you're talking about me, I am a doctor and I did join KK to lose weight. I never thought people would starve themselves, like some did.
I joined the Hotties group and kept a journal called Metaquizical Thoughts..
I guess I never really followed her plan because I have always had a special WOE due to Celiac Disease.
I never publicly endorsed her. I did answer medical questions when someone asked me...I was just trying to lose weight.
Hope that clears my part up for anyone wondering. I too, was scammed.
Just because a person is educated, doesn't mean they know everything...and doctors are human first (although some don't seem to be at all).
Lauren

Hi Lauren. I just did not appreciate anipomoni saying that we should have known better. There are many medical professionals that were scammed by Kimmer. I just could not let anipomoni's remark pass without saying something.

[pooticus]

Originally Posted by mauitammy

Hi Lauren. I just did not appreciate anipomoni saying that we should have known better. There are many medical professionals that were scammed by Kimmer. I just could not let anipomoni's remark pass without saying something.

I'm very sorry to say this but sometimes you just have to admit you messed up. It's ok. You ARE human. Humans have errors in judgement everyday. It's part of the human condition. But it just makes it worse to try to argue your point or argue your victimization level. The fact is that as an EDUCATED medical professional, you ARE on a different level. It's kinda like "To whom much is given, much is expected." It's also kinda like, "The president SHOULD be held to a different level of responsibility for his actions because of his position."

What it comes down to is this...and I've been sayin it for awhile. I'm fat. I KNOW fat. I also know a LOT about biology and the human body cuz of my education. But it doesn't stop me from being and feeling desperate. It doesn't stop me from being prey to that side of me that would want to do almost anything to make it better and make it better quickly!!! That is also human nature and the desire for immediate gratification.

But the fact of the matter is...you DID and DO know that Kimmers plan was faulty. There is a ton of evidence out there in the form of JAMA studies to proove it.

The same for Larcana. to you both!

[anipomoni]

Originally Posted by SMP

Regardless of her stated motive (maybe a bit of opportunism to get a laugh?), Tippy did the right thing in mentioning it to his doctor.

I get your point, but what kind of person would think that was a "get a laugh" type of issue?

Originally Posted by mauitammy

Well, I don't mean to sound snarky either, but I don't think you saying things like this helps anyone. I am an RN and there is/was even a Nurse's Challenge over at Kimkins. I was valedictorian of my class in nursing school. There are even MD's that were members and followed the plan. One of the doctors is posting on this thread.

Did I follow it exactly as Kimmer said? No, but I still was so desperate to lose weight that I considered it. Low carb goes against what most of the mainstream medical community believes in and promotes. If I had followed their advice instead of Dr. Atkins I would still weight 281 pounds. So, you saying we all should have known better really is inappropriate in my opinion.

Actually, I wasn't referring to any of the Drs or nurses who followed kk themselves anyway. I was referring to people who worked for or promoted kk, that should know better (if you did that, then yes, I'm talking about you too). Sorry.
You just said you didn't follow kk exactly. Same with Larcana. It would seem that you saw something that wasn't ideal in the plan. It would be very hypocritical to promote it to others who might not notice how unhealthy it is. I would hope that in your education, you learned that people needed to eat. Because Kimmer didn't think so. And others believed her.

ETA: I really want to clarify here...following it yourself isn't what bothers me. promoting or validating it is my issue.

[mauitammy]

2BIGFORMYSIZE says: When we know something is wrong and fail to speak out about it then by our silence we are condoning it. With a medical education background all of those in that challenge should have been open and communicated I altered the plan to be more healthy by________ so those who were following silently along would not infer well if a group of nurses is doing Kimkins it must be safe.

Again being a member not speaking out infers you are in agreement with the actions of the leadership of the group.[/quote]


Well, I was never a member of the Nurse's Challenge, but only saw that they had one. I only had a few posts over there and was never active. I never made it out of the newbies area. I never even knew of the plan behind the plan until I saw it mentioned over here. I lost all my weight on Atkins, then stalled and was trying to get the scale moving again. I could never stick with Kimkins more than a couple of days.

If I adhered to what you say I should be doing, then I guess I can't be a member of this forum either because I am sure there are all kinds of WOE going on here that I do not consider healthy. I don't consider myself the diet police and go around in every thread and see what I can find wrong with their diet and try to tell them what I think they should do.

[Cutie]

Originally Posted by Princess Dieter

Avenue Girl: Let me hug you! {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{AG}}}}}}}}}}

AmyB: Please just consider that your presence there is actually aiding and giving credence and support to a woman who is an admitted fraud. And she even lied to her staff (ie, telling Tippy she couldn't pay her wages cause she had no money for milk or to pay her car, when she actually had paid off her car and bought a house for half a million cash just a couple weeks ago.) This is not a woman who deserves any sort of support, no matter how passive. Please, take your friends and go somewhere better. Start your own loop or forum or go to another LC forum, but don't give Heidi one ounce of your goodness as a screen for her evils.

As far as Tippy, well, all these threads make very clear what she's said and done continuously from LCF through to her Kimmer days. If you really, really want to know, then just set aside the time and read every single thread and all the blogs that posted Tippy's ADMIN mails with Heidi. They're eye-opening.

And I hope this week is a happier and Tippy-less one for all. I may be having eye surgery tomorrow, so I may not be able to come online for a day or more. In the meantime, blessings on everyone--including Avenue Girl and AmyB and the regulars here who, let's not mistake it, are on the side of the angels when it comes to the KK matter.

Heidi is evil.

good post...amyb to you girl...PM me if you need to talk...

[OhYeahBabe]

Originally Posted by Princess Dieter

Avenue Girl: Let me hug you! {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{AG}}}}}}}}}}

AmyB: Please just consider that your presence there is actually aiding and giving credence and support to a woman who is an admitted fraud. And she even lied to her staff (ie, telling Tippy she couldn't pay her wages cause she had no money for milk or to pay her car, when she actually had paid off her car and bought a house for half a million cash just a couple weeks ago.) This is not a woman who deserves any sort of support, no matter how passive. Please, take your friends and go somewhere better. Start your own loop or forum or go to another LC forum, but don't give Heidi one ounce of your goodness as a screen for her evils.

As far as Tippy, well, all these threads make very clear what she's said and done continuously from LCF through to her Kimmer days. If you really, really want to know, then just set aside the time and read every single thread and all the blogs that posted Tippy's ADMIN mails with Heidi. They're eye-opening.

And I hope this week is a happier and Tippy-less one for all. I may be having eye surgery tomorrow, so I may not be able to come online for a day or more. In the meantime, blessings on everyone--including Avenue Girl and AmyB and the regulars here who, let's not mistake it, are on the side of the angels when it comes to the KK matter.

Heidi is evil.

AmyB - KIMMER DOES NOT DESERVE YOUR HELP!

[shelby7851]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Actually, the blood in the stool (according to TT) was real. In a way, that makes it worse. She should have mentioned it to the doctor out of concern for him. Instead, her stated motive was payback for his comments that she shouldn't be parading around like this in front of people. Who could blame him for saying something? He must have been humiliated for her. No flames please for me posting the pic. TT herself had it posted at LCF, and that is where I got it, so reposting it is fair game.

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Wow, so you are saying it is okay for him to be mean to her, but not for her to be mean to him?