Why the fascination with Kimmer? #11

[Princess Dieter]

Originally Posted by shelby7851

You know, I have followed these threads from the beginning, and a member here for a while. I keep seeing mention of what TT said to her husb, this and that, that was so mean...

what does this have to do with any of this? What does that prove, that she is a jerk? I dont think we have any idea what happens in her house, with her husband. Maybe he is a worse jerk to her...if she has lied to you, ripped you off, fine, I understand that. But i just dont understand why insulting her own husband can offend a total stranger.

Shelby, it's about her malicious streak as evidenced 1. by her attempt to undermine Pooti's diet and 2. her lie to her husband's doctor about blood in stool that resulted in an unnecessary colonoscopy (over which she laughed as payback for him teasing her for her fat midriff exposure).

Those two acts which Tippy herself boasted of online (not made up by her enemies) show a tendency toward malice and lying and vengefulness. This is part of why she's not trusted. If you can do something that malicious to another dieter and, worse, your own husband as "payback" for not liking something they said or did, then there is a huge cruel and nasty streak.

The thing about the teeth I think was only spoken in email (don't recall), so I certainly am not about to hold that against her. I do allow for a certain expectation of minimal privacy in email. But on a public board, to brag about getting your husband an unnecessary medical procedure as payback--whoa. We're in a pit of ugly mud with that one. Allowing him to go through with that--especially if one has medical insurance--is a type of fraud in itself. But it can certainly be categorized as "mental cruelty" by the husband. Not to mention butthole cruelty.

That's why posters here have brought those incidences up. The prankful malice of a frightening order.

Even if you were ticked off at your husband, would you LIE to his doctor in order to get him to have to undergo an uncomfortable procedure like a colonoscopy? That's beyond a prank. That's spiteful and cruel and shows the nature of her true character. If you disliked a dieter on here, would you try to sabotage their eating plan? I would think NOT, since that shows a lack of ethics. And it's an act that violates the very principle of diet forums. We're supposed to be here to HELP each other lose weight, not gain. That peanut butter candy prank says a lot about Tippy's immaturity and meanness.

When she puts on the concerned tone, it's very easy to discount it as facade...

JOANIE, thanks for the well wishes, girl. I'm very nervous!

[golite]

Originally Posted by lisabinil

Here's what Kimmer's doing

"Re:Kimmer's Back on Track Challenge! 9 Hours, 12 Minutes ago

I think I need Boot Camp for a couple of weeks myself. I better go check it out. Too many "tastes" of this and that in my travels and it's not doing me any favors! On the other hand, a friend told me she's planning for maintaining through the New Years. Takes off some of the stress that accompany this time anyway. I think that has some merit ... then again for some people (raising my hand) it can be license to munch."

"I'm only down 1 pound this week, which I'm not even sure about because the scale yesterday said 3 pounds. It's a new scale, what's the problem? Could be that my eating has not been as clean as it could be. Nobody can snack as "innocently" as I do, claiming items are on plan. No one to blame but me.

However, I am very glad to report I've got "jiggly puff" big time (thank heavens!) For anyone who doesn't know, that's when previously firm fat areas are now spongy ... my interpretation isthe "ready to melt" stage. The darned scale won't cooperate, but pants I wore last week are much baggier today (more than 1 pound worth). It has to be water retention (here I go rationalizing again ... sigh).

Someone invited me for pizza this evening (don't people know anything but pizza anymore???) which I turned down. There's a Japanese place in the same area where they cook in front of you, I think that will be much safer ... don't want to think about marinades!

This afternoon I'm going to roast 2 whole chickens that I got on sale. They're not huge, but for $2 and many meals, can't be beat. I stuff the cavity with onion remnants & crushed garlic cloves and the house will smell divine! I toss the carcass in a big pot with water to make soup broth. Suzy Homemaker."

Strange glib speech for someone who's shy and agoraphobic!

[anipomoni]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

I suppose what bothers me the most about someone following KK is what effect it has on their kids....watching them fixated on food and losing weight

This is really scary. I know people like this in real life. Women who are so obsessed with losing 5 lbs and their children are suffering for it. I know a 5 year old who told her mom she wanted to go walk at the track to lose weight. This is 100% based on seeing her mother obsess, as the child is extremely small for her age and no one talks about her weight.

For myself, my earliest ever memories revolve around relatives discussing how fat I was. I am talking about 3 yrs old here. Knowing everyone was looking at me like that I would sneak food. That's where my issues started. Trust me, focusing on weight, "fatness," and diet around children leads to major problems.

Originally Posted by shelby7851

what does this have to do with any of this? What does that prove, that she is a jerk? I dont think we have any idea what happens in her house, with her husband. Maybe he is a worse jerk to her...if she has lied to you, ripped you off, fine, I understand that. But i just dont understand why insulting her own husband can offend a total stranger.

I've never discussed anything about TT's comments about her husband but I had to respond to this. I don't care if her husband beats the crap out of her...you don't LAUGH about blood in someones stool. You just don't do that. I am sorry but I am shocked that anyone would NOT be disgusted by that. When you do or say something asinine, people are going to comment on it (especially when you are doing tons of asinine things).

This is besides the fact anyway b/c TT's comments were regarding superficial things and not his poor treatment of her. Firstly her husbands teeth, and secondly that he commented on her bikini. Both things speak of her vanity and not his mistreatment.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Princess Dieter

Shelby, it's about her malicious streak as evidenced 1. by her attempt to undermine Pooti's diet and 2. her lie to her husband's doctor about blood in stool that resulted in an unnecessary colonoscopy (over which she laughed as payback for him teasing her for her fat midriff exposure).

Actually, the blood in the stool (according to TT) was real. In a way, that makes it worse. She should have mentioned it to the doctor out of concern for him. Instead, her stated motive was payback for his comments that she shouldn't be parading around like this in front of people. Who could blame him for saying something? He must have been humiliated for her. No flames please for me posting the pic. TT herself had it posted at LCF, and that is where I got it, so reposting it is fair game.

[anipomoni]

Originally Posted by Princess Dieter

Shelby, it's about her malicious streak as evidenced 1. by her attempt to undermine Pooti's diet and 2. her lie to her husband's doctor about blood in stool that resulted in an unnecessary colonoscopy (over which she laughed as payback for him teasing her for her fat midriff exposure).

Actually I don't think she lied about that. I think he really did have blood in his stool, but she took pleasure in telling the doctor about it.

But I also don't remember if he was teasing her about the bikini or if he just told her it didn't look good.

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by lisabinil

2 big here's what someone posted they ate today

"Todays menu
Water
B=EAS shake-Vitamins
Water
L=broiled chicken-diet soda
water
D=salad with low fat dressing, water, 3pieces of asparagas yummy
S=?????"

another one for today
"b-1fried egg (in pam) 2 peices of lean ham, s cups of coffee
lots of water today
l-skjnless baked chicken 4oz
d-turkey sausage link w/mustard"

thanks but I wanted to follow the posted rules AND be over 800 cals per TT's blog. I got it up on my blog and then i used Controlledcarbs info from the healthy WOE topic in this forum to check just the EFAs in a 920 cal menu following the rules. no where close to the amount of EFAs needed even if ( they are not) all the polys in those foods was Omega 6 and 3.

just saying up the cals without changing the rules doesn't work to fix kimkins

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by anipomoni

Actually I don't think she lied about that. I think he really did have blood in his stool, but she took pleasure in telling the doctor about it.

But I also don't remember if he was teasing her about the bikini or if he just told her it didn't look good.

He told her she shouldn't have been parading around in that bikini (pics above) in front of people acting she was hot. She came to the BANTA thread and told us the story, complete with the pictures, to get our sympathy for what he said to her. She wanted us to tell her how fantastic she looked and that he was all wrong. But I digress. The idea of telling the doctor about the blood was so he would have to undergo the colonoscopy, not because she was concerned about him, but she specifically said "payback is hell" and she was proud of herself about it. The thread all this was in has been deleted, but all the BANTA Babes remember it distinctly.

[pooticus]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

He told her she shouldn't have been parading around in that bikini (pics above) in front of people acting she was hot. She came to the BANTA thread and told us the story, complete with the pictures, to get our sympathy for what he said to her. She wanted us to tell her how fantastic she looked and that he was all wrong. But I digress. The idea of telling the doctor about the blood was so he would have to undergo the colonoscopy, not because she was concerned about him, but she specifically said "payback is hell" and she was proud of herself about it. The thread all this was in has been deleted, but all the BANTA Babes remember it distinctly.

MM this was one of the straws that really broke the camel's back for me with TT. When she acted this way...I just lost all respect for her (and that was before I even realized what she was doing/was going to do to me). What an evil cow. (not her size...)

[SMP]

Originally Posted by anipomoni

Actually I don't think she lied about that. I think he really did have blood in his stool, but she took pleasure in telling the doctor about it.

But I also don't remember if he was teasing her about the bikini or if he just told her it didn't look good.

Regardless of her stated motive (maybe a bit of opportunism to get a laugh?), Tippy did the right thing in mentioning it to his doctor. Possibly DH was all for letting it go. But I have been guilty of seeing possibilities in a past situation, and playing it for laughs, even though AT THE TIME I was deadly serious. Whether or not TT enjoyed telling the doctor, it's hard to tell. TT always blows up HER reactions to events, regardless of how she reacted at the time. Why we believe her this time when she stretches the truth most other times is rather strange.
I believe her DH told her she was too fat to wear a bikini. It's not exactly what a real fatty well underway in her weight loss period wants to hear. So, my reaction to this whole colonoscopy thing is - TT did the right thing, even if her STATED motives were puerile in the extreme.

[JoanieOrchard]

Ok, at the risk of sounding like I’m beating a dead horse, I have got to bring this up again because no one else commented on it, yet when I read Amy’s words, this idea jumped off the page at me.

Go back and reread what Amyb posted. Now I know we can speculate all night long about what is going on. The ONLY thing she wanted to know about was Flippy. Nothing else was asked. After all that has been exposed and written these last months, WHY would Amy suddenly be asking about Flippy?

As far as Kimkins, Flippy is gone from the radar. Why would Amy care about Flippy so suddenly?

She then went on to say:

Originally Posted by Amyb1569

There are reasons I want/ need to know more about all this. I am a trusting person and sometimes that leads me to be naive or make bad decisions.

You know what guys? The more I think about this, the more I think about the rumors that Flippy is starting her own site, the more I am certain that she is trying to drag AmyB into it. Now maybe I’m getting all fired up about nothing, but just the thought that Flippy might be recruiting and using Amy infuriates me.

Think about it! She can't recruit from the people she's already banned. Her only 'pool' would be the people STILL on the Kimkins site. It makes such perfect sense to me, and had Amy not posted earlier asking only about Flippy, it never would have occurred to me that Flippy might be balzy enough to actively recruit so soon.

What better way for Flippy to get back at Heidi than to start her own site? AND, to add insult to injury, if she gets AmyB and her friends out of Kimkins, she would really be sticking it to Heidi. Talk about Flippy flippin' someone the bird. And I just KNOW she will do it at the expense of people like AmyB. Drag them into a site that's bound to be filled with drama and disappointment.

I’ll write it the way I see it, and yes I won’t have it all right, but I would put money on a lot of it being right. I’d BET that Flippy contacted Amy when Amy was banned, and I’ll just BET that she approached Amy about either starting a site together or starting a site where Amy is a moderator or something. If I have to write it, it wouldn’t surprise me if maybe Flippy told her to approach Heidi to get back on the site. Maybe this way, Amy would be better able to reach out to the members there.

Anyone who thinks that Flippy is going to just walk away and be satisfied with posting on her blog, I think, is sadly mistaken.

Ok, how much money or how many sugar cookies do you all want to bet on this?

I know Amy is an adult, and she is more than capable of making her own decisions, but after the year she’s had, it makes me sick to think that she might now be suckered in by Flippy. And I can only hope that, if this is true, that Flippy is not asking her for money.

And Amy, if you are reading this, please think again. How good a friend was Flippy to you before she needed you for something? And I'll say something else again, if you aren't happy with the existing low carb sites and boards, and you want to leave Kimkins, you don't need Flippy to get you out of there. SHE needs YOU. Be sure you understand that. If I'm right on this, please consider a site of your own that has no affiliation whatsoever with Flippy. You are just inviting trouble.

Please, I urge everyone to go back and read her words again, and ask yourself, WHY is she so interested in Flippy? Why didn't anyone else notice this? Honeybee, Missi, Bama ---- where ARE you? Didn't any of you pick up on this?

I just know I'm right. I know it. I know it. I know it.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by SMP

Regardless of her stated motive (maybe a bit of opportunism to get a laugh?), Tippy did the right thing in mentioning it to his doctor. Possibly DH was all for letting it go. But I have been guilty of seeing possibilities in a past situation, and playing it for laughs, even though AT THE TIME I was deadly serious. Whether or not TT enjoyed telling the doctor, it's hard to tell. TT always blows up HER reactions to events, regardless of how she reacted at the time. Why we believe her this time when she stretches the truth most other times is rather strange.
I believe her DH told her she was too fat to wear a bikini. It's not exactly what a real fatty well underway in her weight loss period wants to hear. So, my reaction to this whole colonoscopy thing is - TT did the right thing, even if her STATED motives were puerile in the extreme.

Nobody has ever said that it was a bad thing for him to get the colonoscopy. Clearly, it was medically indicated. The fact that her actions ended up in the right thing happening does not negate the evil in her post. I am merely telling the facts about what she posted in our thread and what she stated her motive was. And for the record, I don't think he was trying to be mean telling her not to be walking around in the bikini. They were at a gathering with other couples, and I think he was genuinely embarrassed for her. I know I would have been.

[**Lola**]

What difference would it make to you all if Tippy toes starts her own site? I mean she actually did lose a lot of weight unlike Kimmer.

If it was a pay site, I don't see why anyone would join when there are free places all over the net, but still isn't that her business if she chooses to start another site (especially since she apparently isn't welcome on a few other ones)?

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by JoanieOrchard

Please, I urge everyone to go back and read her words again, and ask yourself, WHY is she so interested in Flippy? Why didn't anyone else notice this? Honeybee, Missi, Bama ---- where ARE you? Didn't any of you pick up on this?

I just know I'm right. I know it. I know it. I know it.

Well, to answer your question, yes I wondered about it. I picked up on it, but it's pointless for me to try to figure out why Amy is focusing on TT. My duty is to answer her question, which I did to the best of my ability. Either people are going to listen, or they're not.

[Katinsac]

Joanie..I did notice AmyB's comment and I commented on it..I just didn't go into details...she know what I ment....

[JoanieOrchard]

Originally Posted by **Lola**

What difference would it make to you all if Tippy toes starts her own site? I mean she actually did lose a lot of weight unlike Kimmer.

If it was a pay site, I don't see why anyone would join when there are free places all over the net, but still isn't that her business if she chooses to start another site (especially since she apparently isn't welcome on a few other ones)?

It makes a difference to me because I think Heidi and Flippy are cut from the same cloth. It makes a difference to me because while I only know AmyB from her words on here and her words on her son's Caring Bridge site, I happen to like her. I see how hard it is for her to break away from Kimkins, and I would hate for her to end up someplace else that might not be good for her. Flippy's theatrics are well known and well documented, and I would hate to see Amy, or anyone else, get involved with anything that Flippy has a part of.

It makes a difference to me because while Heidi is doing everything she can to salvage Kimkins, I'm not convinced that this isn't something she might be a part of.

It makes a difference to me because once again, Flippy would be out there dispensing her diet advice - something she just isn't qualified to do. Just because she lost a large amount of weight does not mean that she is a diet expert, yet that is exactly what she professes to be when she makes her claims to the "low carb community".

It makes a difference to me because I really do feel that, if this is true, she is trying to take advantage of someone who just doesn't deserve it. We are all vulnerable, but my take on it is that Flippy selected the most vulnerable one of all, and that bothers me.

And on a more personal level, it makes a difference to me because frankly, I just don't like her. I don't like how she treated so many of the Kimkins members. I don't like that she threw so many people off the site. And I have no reason to believe that if she has a site of her own that she's going to act any differently.

I could be wrong on all this, but I just don't think so.

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by JoanieOrchard

Ok, at the risk of sounding like I’m beating a dead horse, I have got to bring this up again because no one else commented on it, yet when I read Amy’s words, this idea jumped off the page at me.

Go back and reread what Amyb posted. Now I know we can speculate all night long about what is going on. The ONLY thing she wanted to know about was Flippy. Nothing else was asked. After all that has been exposed and written these last months, WHY would Amy suddenly be asking about Flippy?

As far as Kimkins, Flippy is gone from the radar. Why would Amy care about Flippy so suddenly?

She then went on to say:



You know what guys? The more I think about this, the more I think about the rumors that Flippy is starting her own site, the more I am certain that she is trying to drag AmyB into it. Now maybe I’m getting all fired up about nothing, but just the thought that Flippy might be recruiting and using Amy infuriates me.

Think about it! She can't recruit from the people she's already banned. Her only 'pool' would be the people STILL on the Kimkins site. It makes such perfect sense to me, and had Amy not posted earlier asking only about Flippy, it never would have occurred to me that Flippy might be balzy enough to actively recruit so soon.

What better way for Flippy to get back at Heidi than to start her own site? AND, to add insult to injury, if she gets AmyB and her friends out of Kimkins, she would really be sticking it to Heidi. Talk about Flippy flippin' someone the bird. And I just KNOW she will do it at the expense of people like AmyB. Drag them into a site that's bound to be filled with drama and disappointment.

I’ll write it the way I see it, and yes I won’t have it all right, but I would put money on a lot of it being right. I’d BET that Flippy contacted Amy when Amy was banned, and I’ll just BET that she approached Amy about either starting a site together or starting a site where Amy is a moderator or something. If I have to write it, it wouldn’t surprise me if maybe Flippy told her to approach Heidi to get back on the site. Maybe this way, Amy would be better able to reach out to the members there.

Anyone who thinks that Flippy is going to just walk away and be satisfied with posting on her blog, I think, is sadly mistaken.

Ok, how much money or how many sugar cookies do you all want to bet on this?

I know Amy is an adult, and she is more than capable of making her own decisions, but after the year she’s had, it makes me sick to think that she might now be suckered in by Flippy. And I can only hope that, if this is true, that Flippy is not asking her for money.

And Amy, if you are reading this, please think again. How good a friend was Flippy to you before she needed you for something? And I'll say something else again, if you aren't happy with the existing low carb sites and boards, and you want to leave Kimkins, you don't need Flippy to get you out of there. SHE needs YOU. Be sure you understand that. If I'm right on this, please consider a site of your own that has no affiliation whatsoever with Flippy. You are just inviting trouble.

Please, I urge everyone to go back and read her words again, and ask yourself, WHY is she so interested in Flippy? Why didn't anyone else notice this? Honeybee, Missi, Bama ---- where ARE you? Didn't any of you pick up on this?

I just know I'm right. I know it. I know it. I know it.

Since TT isn't admin in the kimpire makes you wonder too if Kimmer is behind it to unban her so she could contact her old buddies from there about the new site??????

[Magicsmom]

Has anyone ever found a connection between Jeannie Baitinger and an online pharmacy? Does she by any chance run one? Do a google and be amazed.

[JoanieOrchard]

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

Since TT isn't admin in the kimpire makes you wonder too if Kimmer is behind it to unban her so she could contact her old buddies from there about the new site??????

I don't know, but there were many rumblings on YY's site for a while about Flippy and a new board, and then when I saw the questions Amy was asking, and that one comment that I bolded in my post, I just saw red. She clearly hinted that she was asking for a reason, but she didn't or couldn't say what it was. The only conclusion I can come to is that Flippy somehow wants to drag Amy into a new site. That's the only thing I can think of.

[BamaGal]

Joanie---I picked up on all of this---give people enough rope and they will hang themselves....

I firmly believe TT will start a new site----what better reason---she isn't welcome anywhere---we've all witnessed that----the members at KK ---still for some reason believe in the stupid diet---so they feel they would not be welcome anywhere else......

what better place to go than somewhere TT sets up----she even alluded to this in her blog post

that being said.....let me add this.....

it takes an awful lot of time, effort, and resources to run your own forum---even a free site---no matter the size----

can any of you actually see TT doing this......TT does not have the smarts the goddess gave a mule----she could not pull it off----not in a million years---she might be the figure head for such an undertaking---but we all know who the master manipulator is....

[pooticus]

Well I think that people should be careful who they "get into bed with" personally or with business. If you can't respect someone in the early days of a relationship, I will guarantee it only goes downhill from there. IMHO Tippy has not done anything or treated anyone in a way that is consistent with respect. I certainly wouldn't trust her to be true or genuine in any dealing, friendship or business related.

I think that "peurile" is underestimating the depth of her behavior SMP (with all due respect). I think she has a marked lack of compassion. I think she has evil as her motivation. I think she justifies her horrible behaviors and that it is never her fault, it's always someone elses fault.

In my opinion, if you know these things about a person and STILL decide to enter into a relationship with them on any level, then it's "your" problem. I feel very little sympathy for people who make those choices, mainly cuz I don't want to invest myself emotionally with them because it would be self-defeating.

[JoanieOrchard]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

Joanie---I picked up on all of this---give people enough rope and they will hang themselves....

I firmly believe TT will start a new site----what better reason---she isn't welcome anywhere---we've all witnessed that----the members at KK ---still for some reason believe in the stupid diet---so they feel they would not be welcome anywhere else..