Why the fascination with Kimmer? #11

[2big4mysize]

pooticus I love your avatar

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by JoanieOrchard

Ahhhhhhhh ... light bulb went on. I never thought of that. Wonder if Becky, Deni, or Christin had to sign anything? Wonder if Heidi would have thought of that?

I wonder if she could get around the non-compete clause by tweaking the diet. Normally people that do sign one are compensated for it to make up for a lack of income because they can't compete in that specific area (i.e. dieting sites).

[CarolynF]

Hi Amy: I'm sure you will get lots of answers about Tippy..There are lots of people here who have been hurt by her in the past and are willing to share that.

I do know that she did threaten to blackmail our Melly if she didn't pull "the blog". That's the truth.

I'll let the others "talk" about Tippy and their personal experiences with her here and at KKins. It might be very long indeed.

What I am worried about is that there are still gals at KKins doing very low calories and fasting..Amy, what are you doing to help these gals? I know you are a caring person, but I want to know how you are helping them not to do damage to their bodies.

[sissypoo]

Amyb, I think it was a good idea for you to post here. You definitely will NOT be bashed! I think everyone here is just concerned about you and your health.

I was treated wonderfully here when I left kk. I don't post very much, but I always read and feel like the people here are my friends.

Other people will explain about TT. I have had no dealings with her. But many here have. Please listen with an open mind.

[missis36]

AmyB,

First of all, let me say I will never bash you. I have followed your posts and your blog for some time and know that you are a good kind hearted person who truly seems to want to believe in the good in people. And for that you can't be bashed.

You have not been on an Anti LCF rant like the others who have been bashed here. So again, you don't run the risk of being bashed.

I understand you wanting answers. And hopefully a few of us can provide them.

I have personally seen msgs where Tippy has made fun of her husband, they are even on these threads, but I don't have the actual posts, I know Honey does so I'll wait for her to post them for you.

The issues with Tippy have been addressed in the last several pages. I'll try to sum them up.

1. She did purposely give bad advice to Pootie as a way to "get her" she laughed about this on the kk site. (would you trust her knowing she's tried to sabotage someone else's diet, what happens if she gets mad at you and does the same)

2. She did talk about some admin here behind their back and cause trouble for other admin, then she laughed about it via pm's with other members. She thought it was funny that she tried to ruin a friendship. This is just downright mean.

3. She did talk about people behind their back here and start such a ruckus in a community (the banta babes) that they themselves began to argue and ended up getting their threads put under an admin microscope. In truth all any of us want is a community to belong, and much like you have found a home at kk, the bantas had a home here and Tippy purposely tried to ruin it for them. Again, this is mean!

4. She did tell Christin on TV that she felt it was her fault that some people took the diet to the extreme (paraphrasing here but it's the gist of it)

Please ladies feel free to add to this list.

Amy what it boils down to is no one blames you for wanting a safe place to continue your diet journey and if kk is where that is then this is great. But please look at the things we have said about the pbtb still being there (note that until last week Heidi was reporting MAMMOTH losses, and posting what she was eating and it was not above 800 cals) what that means is that while she's not "saying" to go that low, she's implying it by her "actions" and really we all know that she's not following kk right now, the fake pics on the front page prove this.

I hope this helps you. I personally have nothing but love for you and I don't envy the position you have been put in by TT and Heidi.

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by WildAngel6

The Truth About Kimkins Low Carb Weight Loss Plan

that is from April and she has had a change of heart and posted as such on her blog. If anybody knows how to contact her so she can remove that article as commnets are not on for her blog
My Weight Loss Progress : Update: Restart! -- October 20th -- Day 1

So before I go on, I would like to aplogize to anyone and everyone I may have encouraged to give Kimkins a try. Please understand that I no longer feel the same about Kimkins after having the light shed on me.. esp over the past few days of doing some hard researching online about the whole controversy and reading about the evidence against her.. what an eyeopener. I feel terrible and please know I am VERY VERY SORRY!! I was (as we all were) completely mislead - believing Kimkins was genuine & trustworthy. Esp because it was working for me when so many times I've failed... I wanted to believe it all the more.

This website here was what really sent me over the edge. You can't argue with it, I couldn't believe my eyes: Winning Weight Loss

I decided there is going to be no turning back.. and that I had to break all ties with Kimkins all together -- I therefore removed my reviews I wrote sharing my opinion of the plan (both good and bad) from off my site and removed them from EzineArticles and I will continue to do my best to remove all others that have been posted online as a result of them being origionally posted on Ezine. Please understand I no longer agree with them & would never encourage other's to try Kimkins knowing what I know now.. I removed all Kimkins links from off my site & I will not be returning to her site any longer as well. I will no longer be doing Kimkins eating plan or sharing information about it with others when asked about my weight loss .. and I would strongly caution others if you're still considering trying Kimkins!! Take time to do the research like I did.

Which reminds me.. I also really need to apologize to everyone who in the past have tried to caution me through posts in my guestbook or loving emails. I thought you were all being too quick to jump to conclusions about Kimkins and I kinda just blew you off. Esp because one of the hot topics was if the success story pics were real or not.. I didn't worry about that so much because I knew that "MY PROGRESS PICS WERE REAL" and that's all the proof I needed. I knew the plan worked as far as that goes. At the time I didn't have time to do the research to find out the truth for myself so was unsure how to respond.. I am so sorry I did not take you seriously. I see now that you were very right. Thank you for keeping after me. Please please please forgive me.

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by Amyb1569

One thing I have learned is..questions do not go away. After tons of PM and E-mails..I have decided it is best for me to just come out and address some issues.

I would like to post here and ask some questions. I have no idea how I am viewed here. I would like to say that did not matter. To be honest I am not as thick skinned as some of you may be. But I am working on it. lol
First of all...I have tried really hard to stay off many of the anti KK boards. Yes I read and I admit to that. But I guess I have felt torn in many ways and thought it was best to just stay out of it. And let's not forget I am a member of KK. For some time I just did not know what to do about KK. I wanted to be there with my friends. Then many people left. Then I felt sort of weak about no leaving. Then I got banned. Then and Then and Then. Opps..sorry. But the bottom line is I have a handful of friends that I adore on the site and in my three threads it feels safe. I felt lost without my handful of friends on kimmer. I guess deep down KK is home for me and for now I need that. That is me being honest .
This is my issue. I am confused and would like for someone or a bunch of someones to help me understand some issues. What I would love is facts vs just a basic I hate TT answer. lol
It is clear that many of you do not like or respect TT. I know that TT use to be here at LCF for years. I did not know TT then. Nor did I ever really know who TT was on KK until she became a admin. So I will agree that my knowledge of TT is little.
TT was brave or crazy to go on TV. I am not sure I could of or would have gone on there. But I have to say deep down I believed what she was saying about the diet. TT has actually gotten on my nerves a few times with PM telling me to eat more. She seemed to be very big on a more healthy KK WOE. The reason I say this is...she would address these issues to me in PM vs open post. I would of thought if she was trying to be something she is not..she would of done it in the open.
I guess what I am trying to understand is...other then being a KK admin..what has she done? I have tried to go back and read but I have no idea where to start.
I see comments about her being dishonest and I want to understand if this is a common dislike for her or is she has really done something that is bad.
I see comments about her DH teeth...I have to say I feel a little bad about this. Did she actually say mean things about her DH teeth? Maybe I am missing some post..huh? lol
I read her blog and had some thoughts. It would be easier for TT to say what everyone wants her to say. She is not in KK anymore so there is no reason for her to be pro KK except maybe she belives what she said. Maybe she really thinks KK is healthy done a certain way. The reason I think this is...it would help her so much more to say what everyone wants her to say. She has more to lose saying what she said in her blog. I guess for me..I belive that more. if she suddenly was anti every part of KK...I would wonder if she was just saying that to hurt KK and Kimmer. Maybe deep down TT does mean what she is saying? Maybe she is upset with Kimmer but not her plan. Of course I do not know..I am just assuming. Bad idea...huh?
There are reasons I want/ need to know more about all this. I am a trusting person and sometimes that leads me to be naive or make bad decisions.
I guess I am confused . It is hard to know who is who and what is what lately.
I was told that posting this here was a bad idea. But I guess I feel like anyone who is asking for a honest reason will not be bashed. I have put my feelings out here and hope you all respect my questions and comments.
This post is not anti KK , Kimmer, or TT. It is just basic thoughts I have.

Amy, I don't know you and I don't know Tippy. I have only been posting on LCF for the past 5 months, I think. I really gave Tippy the benefit of the doubt for awhile and did not understand why folks were so mad at her. I started reading some of her old posts, but more importantly, I started reading right on this thread about horrible things she said about her husband and his health issues -- and she said it with what sounded like glee! She seems to want to have people bow down to her and make her an icon. She seems very self centered. Her ethics, on a scale of 1 to 10, are probably 1. She seems to have gone over to Kimkins KNOWING about the scam. She is a drama queen and an attention seeker, and that's just from what I've learned recently. I had to go back and read a lot of posts because it was alarming how angry people were with her. Well, they got it right and I learned a lot.

I have heard good things about you, Amy. You are one of the stars of KK. I sense that everyone would love to welcome you here and PLEASE, bring all your KK friends with you.

My heartfelt welcome to you, dear. Ask all the questions you want. This can be your home, if you want.

[2big4mysize]

amyb I understand your saying you need your friends in your threads

But by being a member of any group there is implied support for the ideology of the group and the group management. By posting inside the site you by your actions are helping kimmer to grow her site and continue her scam. you can contact all your thread members and walk away from there as a group to any of the free sites. so I'd like to ask how can you go back to kimkins.con knowing what you know about kimmer and the scam?

[Mayberryfan]

Amyb,

Hey girl! Good to see you here! FYI, you have been discussed here when you were sent to banned camp from KK's, but it was all good! We hold you in high regard!

I've never had much direct contact with TT. Either here or at KK's. But, I witnessed the postings when she threatened the admin here. Heck, the pm's between she and Heidi on The Truth were enough to make your blood run cold.

Plainly put, TT has shown herself in countless ways to be mean, low-class, and opportunistic. She knowingly helped Heidi continue her lies. It may be that she has a shred of conscience for PMing you to eat more, but she could have done WAY more. She was swayed more by the attention and the money. When the money dried up, that's when she chose to leave KK's.

So, it's not some misplaced vendetta we have against TT. No, we don't like her. But, we feel there are very valid reasons to feel that way.

As far as why you choose to stay at KK's, I'm glad you spelled it out because I had wondered about that! But, you owe no one an explanation. You aren't out trying to help Heidi spread her lies. You're just staying in familiar territory. That's okay as far as I'm concerned! But, know that you are always welcome here if you get banned again, if you change your mind about staying at KK's, or the site goes poof!

[JoanieOrchard]

Amy,

I am so glad to see you here, and I’m glad to see you asking questions - something that, let’s be honest - wasn’t allowed on the Kimkins site.

I have no idea how I am viewed here. I would like to say that did not matter. To be honest I am not as thick skinned as some of you may be. But I am working on it. Lol

As far as how you are viewed on here, I don’t think I’ve ever read a negative thing about you on these threads. Just speaking for myself, my issues with you are compassion for what you going through with your son, admiration that you have lost so much weight and look so fabulous, understanding that you have friends you care about on the KK board, and concern that when the board goes bye bye that you feel totally lost - as you did when you posted here a week or so ago when you were banned.

Since you asked specifically about TT, I will try to refrain from talking about Heidi and the massive fraud that has gone on. Note that I say, "try".

You will probably get many replies to your post. I’ll give you my take on TT. First of all, after reading 13 fascination threads, along with countless blogs and other board posts, my personal opinion is that she’s an opportunist, she’s dishonest, she’s mean, and she’s sneaky. I could give you so many examples but honestly, I’m tired of reading about peanut butter cup recipes, her husband’s rectal exam, and who said what years ago. Those things tend to blur the more important issues such as the bannings at Kimkins (probably people who were friends of yours), her denial that there was ever a Kimkins endorsed plan to eat as low as 500 calories and to use laxatives, her accusations on television that it was Deni and Christin’s fault, and on and on and on.

On top of everything else, now that we are hearing - in her own words - about her experiences at Kimkins, she’s proving herself to be a liar too. Again, I could give you countless examples, but the bottom line is that in her very first post on Amy’s board, she didn’t even understand what she should apologize for.

I admire you for coming here, and I think you were 100% honest when you said your friends were on Kimkins, and it’s a comfort zone for you. I can honestly say that I have YET to find a board that I can really call home. They are either way too big or way too small, so I well understand why you wouldn’t want to leave KK. I know it fills a need for you.

Others will be much better able to express feelings about TT because they have had very close associations with her.

I just want to add one more thing. Whether it’s on one of these boards or in real life, I try to be an upstanding person. I don’t like to associate with people like Heidi and TT in real life. Why would I want to do that here? I don’t have any respect for Heidi, and if I were around her in real life, I’d probably feel like I have to take a shower every 5 minutes, as I find her disgusting. As for TT, I’ve read the private messages she sent to Heidi, and I’ve seen how sneaky she is. I’ve heard from people here about the unkind comments she’s made about others, and if, as she says, she understands the demons of obesity, I don’t know why she would be so unkind to people.

I said this to you several weeks ago, and I don’t know if you ever got back here to read it. I hope that you gather the emails and phone numbers of the people you care about on KK, so that if the plug suddenly gets pulled, you will have a way to contact everyone.

I know you’re confused about what to do. I totally understand why you don’t want to leave. Truly I do. On the other hand, anyone who stays with Kimkins, while not promoting the fraud, in a way is condoning the fraud. By staying you are saying that it’s ok that Heidi lied, and we‘re not talking about small lies. Most of us live our lives understanding consequences. In this case, the only consequence that Heidi is going to understand is if that site is shut down, and she is forced to make restitution.

I was disappointed when I heard you went back to Kimkins after the way Heidi treated you. However I guess as long as you were ok with that, who are we to judge? Whatever you do, Amy, I don’t think anyone faults you.

[Tooter]

Amyb, She lied on the BBB Reviews (trying to give Kimkins a good name) and said she lost her weight on Kimkins, to imply she lost ALL her weight on Kimkins.

She has Thyroid problems that are getting worse, but says that Kimkins and it's plan has nothing to do with it. She also doesn't acknowledge all the health problems that Kimkins can cause (including eating disorders). Her whole focus is her weight loss and how wonderful she is and the welfare of others be damned.

She has known the truth About Kimkins for a long time. I can't tell you how many times people warned her and pointed things out to her. She didn't care. Still doesn't. That's sad.

Also, there was the Mail fraud with Kimmers foster kids. Tippy had people raise money for Kimmers Foster kids (Which she didn't have any) And when we all pointed it out on here, she said something like "Oh Well, everyone gave the money for Kimmer to do as she saw fit."! Umm...NO! She didn't care at all that people were duped!

All she could see was the "Attention" and making some money.

She was so mad at being banned (for threatening a mod) that she wanted everyone to BAN Netriction.

There are a bunch of other things, but I'll let others fill you in.

[JoanieOrchard]

Amyb,

Being the big mouth that I am, if I could just say one more thing.

Like you, I am a very trusting person because I like to believe that there is good in everyone. Because I would never take advantage of someone, I'm always amazed when I see someone else do it. Because I work hard for my money, I would never think of stealing something from someone, so it amazes me when someone else does it. I would sooner fall on the sword than lie, so it always amazes me when I meet people who can lie so effortlessly.

I guess that's why I have such difficulty with this whole Kimkins thing. I think she took advantage of people who were vulnerable. I think she took hard earned money from people, and then threw them off her site for the smallest of reasons. And we only need to look at her picture to know that she lied. If she gave memberships away, I wouldn't want to be associated with something/someone like that. It just goes against everything I believe in.

Sorry ... I just had to add that.

[golite]

Amy,
as you can see, I've been here for many years and I've seen all the Tippyisms.
There are many posts and whole threads for that matter that are gone now because of the very wrong content.
Tippy would wait until the posts or threads were deleted and then repost the subject, lying about what others said in them.
So all people saw were her lies and felt animosity towards the person Tippy lied about. If only we'd thought to PrtScn in those days!
Kimmer was extremely mean to people here and every chance Tippy got, she would go behind kimmer and drive the screw in deeper.

Tippy went to the LCF pigroast and caused a ruckus from that. She's a gossip.
She takes pleasure in others suffering.
One woman has food allergies, reactions that can kill and Tippy even found that fact fodder for amusement.

Tippy created a fund raiser for fictional foster children and then later lied about what the money was for.
She lied about her weight loss method on the BBB site, she lied on here, she lied on kk and she lied on national television.
She's lied about not knowing who kimmer is, not knowing anything about fake pictures. She's lied about what the kk diet is.
She continues to lie about everything that's asked of her and takes no responsibility for her lies.

What do I want her to say? The TRUTH.

[lbbmp]

Spokeshole.... I've never heard that term before. You had me rollin'
Lynn
P.S. I told you this in a recent post however, I'll repeat it once again...you have a way with words. I enjoy reading your replies

[JoanieOrchard]

Originally Posted by Amyb1569

There are reasons I want/ need to know more about all this. I am a trusting person and sometimes that leads me to be naive or make bad decisions.

Bolding mine.


Amy, hopefully I'm not reading something into this that isn't there. But after reading your post again, I caught this. Please please I hope you aren't considering joining with TT in starting some kind of site. She will only drag you down.

I'm probably assuming something I shouldn't, but that was the first thing that came to mind.

If this is the case, start your own. TT has nothing of value to contribute.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Amyb1569

This is my issue. I am confused and would like for someone or a bunch of someones to help me understand some issues. What I would love is facts vs just a basic I hate TT answer. lol

TT has actually gotten on my nerves a few times with PM telling me to eat more. She seemed to be very big on a more healthy KK WOE. The reason I say this is...she would address these issues to me in PM vs open post. I would of thought if she was trying to be something she is not..she would of done it in the open.
I guess what I am trying to understand is...other then being a KK admin..what has she done? I have tried to go back and read but I have no idea where to start.
I see comments about her being dishonest and I want to understand if this is a common dislike for her or is she has really done something that is bad.
I see comments about her DH teeth...I have to say I feel a little bad about this. Did she actually say mean things about her DH teeth? Maybe I am missing some post..huh? lol

I read her blog and had some thoughts. It would be easier for TT to say what everyone wants her to say.

Hi Amy, it's nice to see you post. No one begrudges you being on KK and enjoying your friendships there. We all understand the need for a support system and the need for one. We've all been there.

First of all, my opinion of TT is based, not on what she did at KK because I didn't spend much time there and frankly don't know what she did on that site. It's based on what she did here. I'll tell you specifically what she did to the BANTA group (named for a WOE none of us follow):

1. She came into the group and immediately started stirring up drama. We are talking real high school tactics, sending PMs and e-mails to members talking about other members of the group. Stuff that got us questioning each other's friendships and loyalties. She used this tactic to deliberately turn us against one another. Because it was going on in a behind-the-scenes kind of way, it took us a while to figure out what was happening. We were lucky to be able to get past it with our friendships intact.

2. She came back from the pig roast and posted some nasty things in the BANTA thread about other people who had been in attendance, without mentioning names. Because of her actions, the BANTA group became scrutinized like it never had been before. We were getting posts deleted right and left, and were getting warnings. None of this happened before she started posting in our group, and it was showing this nasty side of herself that got some of us looking at her as NOT being the friend she claimed to be.

3. She became a devotee of Kimmer and tried to get everyone in the group to follow the plan. A few of us did and had success (if you want to call it that). All of us gained it right back as soon we we went off KK, but I digress. The thing that really put some of us off was that a couple of girls in our group posted that they cannot lose on a VLCD like KK. TT's basic response was that if they didn't lose on it, that surely it was because they didn't do it right. That got hackles up.

4. Then came her falling out with Melly, which she claimed had her on the brink of being banned from LCF. No one knows where the truth lies, but we do know that the scrutinizing of the BANTA thread continued until sometime after her departure from the group, which was not voluntary on her part.

I don't believe for a minute that it would be easier for her to say what we want to hear her say. She is way too stubborn and way too "right all the time" to admit the things she needs to own up to.

What I want you to come away with if there is nothing else you remember is that TT is a lying, backstabbing gossip. This has been proven in not one, but two challenge groups minimum. Wherever she lands, she will get infighting started because it's what she does. She loves drama, and if there isn't any, she will start it up. I wish that everyone could learn from the experiences the BANTA group and Melly's group had, but sadly, some people just cannot learn from what other people have gone through.

[2big4mysize]

Originally Posted by WildAngel6

Ok, I thought Kimkins preaches no exercise needed?

Exercise is key with kimkins Health Medicine Medical


Here are some other Kimkins "articals" at the same site:

Health Medicine Medical

Please feel free to post comments to any or all of the "articals".

Thank you!

done but no comments show

[Katinsac]

AmyB...First, times sure have changed. Any other time if you commented in this thread you would have been banned from KK.

Second...Myself and my friends exchanged emails and went to another site and have all the support we need and had while at KK before the problems.

Third...I think your real reason for going back is you lost a lot of weight and don't want to give it up. Sure hope you do not pay for it in the future.

Fourth...What do you care what people think about TT now? She has left your beloved site so it should not matter to you.

You and your friends will always be welcome here but I think you are living in denial also. Sorry. Just my .02

[sexyfatchick]

In my opinion, Tippy is CLEARLY a scam artist.

Check out her posts about getting lipodissolve here in the health section and how she tried to work the doctor over claiming SHE was mislead....

Same 'ol story for that crack pot--always the victim.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by lbbmp

Spokeshole.... I've never heard that term before. You had me rollin'
Lynn
P.S. I told you this in a recent post however, I'll repeat it once again...you have a way with words. I enjoy reading your replies

Thanks so much...

[2big4mysize]

hey those with access inside the kimkins.con are the rules for the plan still the same ones posted in the making it healthy WOE topic? I don't want to pay to join just to see that info.

*Up to 20 total carbs (not 'net')
*Up to 3 cups