Why the fascination with Kimmer? #11

[WildAngel6]

Kimkins What’s up with Baxter’s Mom?

No Kimkins specific posts for the last couple of months...

[Tooter]

Carolyn, that was priceless!! lol

[golite]

I do not believe the Kimkins diet is harmful if medically supervised and with proper supplements and calories over 800 (more is better). I am sorry if this is offensive but I just cannot lie about it. I have lost over 68 lbs on Kimkins in cycle rounds. What is wrong with Kimkins, in my opinion, is pushing the plan behind the plan, cutting calories lower and lower... This I do believe is extremely dangerous and I would never advise such.

800 calories is still starvation.

Tippy read carefully;

The kimkins diet has a set of rules made up in the head of Heidi Diaz not your head. Whatever Heidi Diaz aka kimmer wrote as the kimkins diet IS what it IS.
ANY tweaks or CHANGES to her "diet", makes it NOT KIMKINS!

You did not lose 68 lbs. on kk by your own admission you lost only the last few- STOP LYING!

Tippy- STOP LYING!!!

[JoanieOrchard]

Snippets of Flippy:

For the rest reading this I just wanted to make one thing clear. I do not believe the Kimkins diet is harmful if medically supervised and with proper supplements and calories over 800 (more is better). I am sorry if this is offensive but I just cannot lie about it. I have lost over 68 lbs on Kimkins in cycle rounds. What is wrong with Kimkins, in my opinion, is pushing the plan behind the plan, cutting calories lower and lower... This I do believe is extremely dangerous and I would never advise such.

I’m so glad you clarified your position on Kimkins. It’s important to me to know what you believe. And your credentials are … ? Oh, I forgot you were subcontracting as the PR Director for Kimkins for two months. What else is on your resume? What are your other qualifications? And since we all know that Heidi has no medical/nutritional credentials to design a diet program, you must think that you do since your opinions are supposed to be so valuable. So what are those credentials? The nutrionist on the M & J Show wasn't too impressed with your credentials. Maybe because you didn't have any?

You offer us a critique of Kimkins and your disapproval of the plan behind the plan. Where do you think the plan behind the plan came from? Now, come on, you know Kimmer advocated all that crap before Kimkins.com was even started. Anyone (you) who went to Kimkins.com from LCF knew exactly what the diet was about, and anyone (you) who feigns ignorance and innocence about the plan behind the plan is being conveniently forgetful. The plan behind the plan was/is Kimkins.

My problem with Kimkins is not the diet. It is the founder, the starvation advice I now know that was previously given by her and the dishonesty that followed.

You now know? You didn’t know about the starvation advice that she offered when she was on LCF? You didn’t know about that advice when you followed her to Kimkins? You didn’t know about that advice when Christin left Kimkins, and Becky left Kimkins, and Deni left Kimkins? You didn’t know about that advice when it was posted, for all to see, on LCF and on Kimkins? You didn’t know about that advice when there were multiple fascination threads on LCF and hundreds of other boards and blogs? You went on television three weeks ago to promote Kimkins, and you didn't know that Heidi offered starvation advice? As PR Director, there sure was an awful lot that you didn’t know. You might want to leave that PR job off your resume. It doesn’t speak highly of your skills.

I have a problem that she is accepting money from new members knowing her site is (in her words) unstable. I feel bad for existing members who may soon find themselves with no home base or support.

As recently as a month ago, you didn’t have a problem when people paid 49.95 as long as your money was paid every month. Seems a little suspicious that you didn’t get this compassionate awareness until your money stopped coming in.

I do apologize to Christin and Deni. I am very sorry I accused you both of setting poor examples as moderators. I now understand you were following the advice and orders from a woman you thought was 118lbs and on maintenance for 5 years. Please forgive me.

You now understand? Exactly WHAT caused this epiphany on your part? Was it when the paychecks stopped?

As far as scrubbing the site I have no idea what people really mean by that.

Oh for heaven’s sake. Why is it that when you don’t want to be honest about something, your posts are littered with “I don’t know” and “I don’t understand”.

I ask that you try to have patience for Kimkins members. This is not going to be easy for them should the site close.

When have we not had patience with Kimkins members? Any time someone comes here, as a former Kimkins member, they are embraced. You’re trying to come across as someone very concerned about the Kimkins members. Too bad you weren’t concerned when Kimkins members were being thrown off the site when their only infraction was to voice a concern or a difference of opinion. Those people needed support too, but you obviously weren’t too concerned about them. Whether you personally pushed the ban button is not the issue. As long as your money continued to come in, you did nothing to stand up for the members that you now claim to care so much about.

It's obvious that you don't 'get it' and that speaks volumes about your character.

[WildAngel6]

Losing Weight, Finding Myself: Search results for Kimkins

[golite]

Originally Posted by JoanieOrchard

Snippets of Flippy:

When have we not had patience with Kimkins members? Any time someone comes here, as a former Kimkins member, they are embraced. You’re trying to come across as someone very concerned about the Kimkins members. Too bad you weren’t concerned when Kimkins members were being thrown off the site when their only infraction was to voice a concern or a difference of opinion. Those people needed support too, but you obviously weren’t too concerned about them. Whether you personally pushed the ban button is not the issue. As long as your money continued to come in, you did nothing to stand up for the members that you now claim to care so much about.

It's obvious that you don't 'get it' and that speaks volumes about your character.

She's still working an US v THEM angle.
I guess Heidi and Jeanie want to isolate the members to make them feel that they have no where to go.
I hope they'll learn the truth soon!

[centralpa]

Originally Posted by JoanieOrchard

Snippets of Flippy:

(recap)

It's obvious that you don't 'get it' and that speaks volumes about your character.

Joanie,

Thanks for the great review, as I REFUSE to click on the link to her blog.

cheers,
Wendy

[sissypoo]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

11 muffin shaped candies??? Bad kitty.

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

I was going to read it but started sneezing immediately!!!
But now I think I have figured out the problem.......

You guys are too much!!!

[**Lola**]

Originally Posted by SMP

Actually Chelveston, here's part of your quote that leads me to an opposite conclusion:


In fact, for a while there, TIPPY was making changes guaranteed to raise Heidi's ire - recycling, raising carbs, giving TIPPY'S viewpoint of things. That ended, of course, when she publicly dissed Kimkins as something that needed fixing, right on KTLA tv. However, there was enough divergence of opinion between them at one point to show TT's independence and make her claims to be a subcontractor valid. However, I'm not up on the legalities of California income tax laws; so what do I know?

I'm guessing Kimmer didn't deduct taxes from Tippy's pay hence making her an independent contractor.

To be honest, I don't really think Tippy needs to worry about being held criminally or civilly responsible for the actions of Kimmer and Kimkins.

She was just an employee (contractor or not) and it seems like all of the fraudulent activities occured before Tippy got there (even if they still continued once she was there). For arguments sake, Tippy could have believed all of the lies Kimmer was telling her (I don't believe it...but how could anyone prove otherwise).

Therefore, I don't think Tippy is under any danger of being prosecuted or named as a party in the civil suit.

[pooticus]

Joannie excellent post!

Also, I thought to be a "contractor" as opposed to someone who is being paid as a "contractor" when they should really be paid as an employee, you had to:

1. Have a signed agreement stating your free-agent/contractor status.
2. Have other clients/jobs?

I thought this was pretty common knowledge? I think she was an employee that kimmer jsut did not want to pay part of her taxes on???

Also lol. I remember there was another cylce plan during the 70's or 80's. I think I was on it for awhile. Was it called the T-factor? I remember you would go down to 600 cals...then cycle back up to 1200 cals or something like that.

I can see the writing on the wall. She is positioning herself to open her own diet site. I think whoever said that here is 100% correct. LOL!!! OMG. Forget about her husband. I think she doesn't need him. She has gigantoid ballz of her own. Don't you TT?? You sanctimonious lying sack of smoking **** (please note I willingly x that out so as not to use offensive language). Nice, huh?

What makes "Tippy's Plan" unique? LOL. I think I will just start calling the Mediterranean Diet - "Pooti's Plan to Wellness". Do any of yall have a problem with that? Of course, I have no creditials to offer anyone that my advice is medically sound but heh, that don't matter much between us kittehs, does it???

Sorry I know I am rabid...but just sayin'...it's not like I'm saying anything new or even purposely trying to lead anyone astray so they could get fatter!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lilgrnize]

Originally Posted by pooticus

Don't you TT?? You sanctimonious lying sack of smoking ****

Pooti....I love your way with words! Couldn't have said it better myself!

[lbbmp]

Originally Posted by JoanieOrchard

Snippets of Flippy:




I’m so glad you clarified your position on Kimkins. It’s important to me to know what you believe. And your credentials are … ? Oh, I forgot you were subcontracting as the PR Director for Kimkins for two months. What else is on your resume? What are your other qualifications? And since we all know that Heidi has no medical/nutritional credentials to design a diet program, you must think that you do since your opinions are supposed to be so valuable. So what are those credentials? The nutrionist on the M & J Show wasn't too impressed with your credentials. Maybe because you didn't have any?

You offer us a critique of Kimkins and your disapproval of the plan behind the plan. Where do you think the plan behind the plan came from? Now, come on, you know Kimmer advocated all that crap before Kimkins.com was even started. Anyone (you) who went to Kimkins.com from LCF knew exactly what the diet was about, and anyone (you) who feigns ignorance and innocence about the plan behind the plan is being conveniently forgetful. The plan behind the plan was/is Kimkins.



You now know? You didn’t know about the starvation advice that she offered when she was on LCF? You didn’t know about that advice when you followed her to Kimkins? You didn’t know about that advice when Christin left Kimkins, and Becky left Kimkins, and Deni left Kimkins? You didn’t know about that advice when it was posted, for all to see, on LCF and on Kimkins? You didn’t know about that advice when there were multiple fascination threads on LCF and hundreds of other boards and blogs? You went on television three weeks ago to promote Kimkins, and you didn't know that Heidi offered starvation advice? As PR Director, there sure was an awful lot that you didn’t know. You might want to leave that PR job off your resume. It doesn’t speak highly of your skills.



As recently as a month ago, you didn’t have a problem when people paid 49.95 as long as your money was paid every month. Seems a little suspicious that you didn’t get this compassionate awareness until your money stopped coming in.



You now understand? Exactly WHAT caused this epiphany on your part? Was it when the paychecks stopped?



Oh for heaven’s sake. Why is it that when you don’t want to be honest about something, your posts are littered with “I don’t know” and “I don’t understand”.



When have we not had patience with Kimkins members? Any time someone comes here, as a former Kimkins member, they are embraced. You’re trying to come across as someone very concerned about the Kimkins members. Too bad you weren’t concerned when Kimkins members were being thrown off the site when their only infraction was to voice a concern or a difference of opinion. Those people needed support too, but you obviously weren’t too concerned about them. Whether you personally pushed the ban button is not the issue. As long as your money continued to come in, you did nothing to stand up for the members that you now claim to care so much about.

It's obvious that you don't 'get it' and that speaks volumes about your character.

Beautiful post
Everything you just wrote is the truth
Awesome
Lynn

[MissMerize]

Originally Posted by golite

800 calories is still starvation.

Tippy read carefully;

The kimkins diet has a set of rules made up in the head of Heidi Diaz not your head. Whatever Heidi Diaz aka kimmer wrote as the kimkins diet IS what it IS.
ANY tweaks or CHANGES to her "diet", makes it NOT KIMKINS!

You did not lose 68 lbs. on kk by your own admission you lost only the last few- STOP LYING!

Tippy- STOP LYING!!!

I wanted to comment on this on Tip's blog, but she has no comment section.
I was a little thick headed about this point at first as well, and look at the thick skull your dealing with now.
Feel free to comment here about her not having a comment section. I personally think her not allowing comments means she doesn't really give a flying whoop about what we have to say.
Allowing Comments on Your Blog Kimkins And Other Affiliate Marketing Nightmares

[JoanieOrchard]

Originally Posted by pooticus

I can see the writing on the wall. She is positioning herself to open her own diet site. I think whoever said that here is 100% correct. LOL!!! OMG. Forget about her husband. I think she doesn't need him. She has gigantoid ballz of her own. Don't you TT?? You sanctimonious lying sack of smoking **** (please note I willingly x that out so as not to use offensive language). Nice, huh?

At one point, I also thought that she might start her own site, but I've changed my mind. I honestly don't see how she can. Her association with Kimkins has tarnished her so badly that people who can join boards for free don't even want to associate with her. Where will she get people to pay to associate with her? She would have to pay them.

Also, although it all turned out to be a fraud, Heidi was able to start up with something. She already had a following on LCF and someone willing to help her get the site going. Flippy has neither one. Since she left, has anyone come out of Kimkins saying how much she is missed? When she posted at Amy's, did anyone from Kimkins say, "I'm so glad I found you. I missed you." I haven't gotten the impression that the Kimkins members care about Flippy or "the promises she made to the low carb community".

Lastly, I don't think she's smart enough or charismatic enough to get people to follow her to a pig roast in Tennessee muchless pay her for any expertise on anything.

You sanctimonious lying sack of smoking **** (please note I willingly x that out so as not to use offensive language). Nice, huh?

I love it!!

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by **Lola**

I'm guessing Kimmer didn't deduct taxes from Tippy's pay hence making her an independent contractor.

To be honest, I don't really think Tippy needs to worry about being held criminally or civilly responsible for the actions of Kimmer and Kimkins.

She was just an employee (contractor or not) and it seems like all of the fraudulent activities occured before Tippy got there (even if they still continued once she was there). For arguments sake, Tippy could have believed all of the lies Kimmer was telling her (I don't believe it...but how could anyone prove otherwise).

Therefore, I don't think Tippy is under any danger of being prosecuted or named as a party in the civil suit.

I agree with you ..... IMHO there is nothing to charge her with. Now, on the other hand, she could contribute a lot of inside information to help the class action lawsuit. Wonder if she is up for that!

[JoanieOrchard]

Originally Posted by golite

800 calories is still starvation.

Tippy read carefully;

The kimkins diet has a set of rules made up in the head of Heidi Diaz not your head. Whatever Heidi Diaz aka kimmer wrote as the kimkins diet IS what it IS.
ANY tweaks or CHANGES to her "diet", makes it NOT KIMKINS!

You did not lose 68 lbs. on kk by your own admission you lost only the last few- STOP LYING!

Tippy- STOP LYING!!!

Exactly! Why is that so difficult for her to understand?

[ketosis]

WOw I am falling behind but wanted to send Pooti a big big hug just because I think she rocks. And her avi's always make me smile.

My blog is going to get a bit behind as I am going out of town for a few days but will try to add links to keep it going as much as I can.

And I have been clicking and commenting like a mad demon too!

Keep up the great work everyone!

[JoanieOrchard]

OMG! My post is on Medusa's blog!

I feel like Lucy Ricardo must have felt when she got a spot in one of Ricky's shows.

And thanks, guys, for the positive comments on here!

[susique333]

Tippy......

[JoanieOrchard]

I'm a little slow sometimes.

Pooti, I just noticed your avitar (avitor).

I love it!

[WildAngel6]

Originally Posted by JoanieOrchard

I'm a little slow sometimes.

Pooti, I just noticed your avitar (avitor).

I love it!

Pooti! Good Choice!

The first time I saw that was over here with the Rum Balls!

Coffey To Go: Rum Balls

Too Clever!

[susique333]

QUOTE TTs blog:I ask that you try to have patience for Kimkins members. This is not going to be easy for them should the site close. Many have experienced much success using the plan and will want to continue to use the plan. Please don't make them feel ashamed for that. Instead, if they show up at your site, please encourage them to stay safe and be reasonable with the diet. But don't make them feel they have leprosy because of their dieting preference.:QUOTE

AHEM...in case you didnt notice TT...alot of us WERE Kimkin members and we were accepted with open arms into LCF. We were being banned from KK by the 100s! We DO NOT need a lecture from you on how we're to treat Kimkins members in the future and I find your admonishment insulting. You have NO clue.

[WildAngel6]

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