Why the fascination with Kimmer? #11

[marnaewilson]

[quote=MomToEli;9597869]See. I don't think is a fair request at all. And certainly it wasn't my intent to try to stifle people.

Oh, dear. So very sorry I started this all.

Please don't feel sorry. I thought your post was beautiful. I just thought not giving Tippy the attention she wants so badly might be a good approach. But if it helps people to vent about her, then go for it. This is, after all, just a discussion board. It's not the local news channel. Feelings count, and hurt feelings hurt. Different people handle hurt in different ways, but we can all be tolerant of our differences. I admire you all very much, and like Terry, I feel like I've gotten to know and really appreciate you and your wonderful personalities. It's been a really interesting 5 months, even though the scam was so hurtful to so many.

[Chouter]

Originally Posted by Kona sunset

There is a lot of venom here toward TT. Anger can and does destroy the person holding that anger. I think a lot of the posters here think that they are releasing the anger by talking about it. All I see is it getting worse. The only way to get rid of the anger is to forgive. Forget about TT. You don't have to reconcile with her. Just let it go. Quit talking about her. Make the decision to forgive. And let the healing begin!

*back to lurk mode*

I agree there is alot of anger and resentment here, but I am one of those who has not been affected by any of this personally, so I have not walked in those shoes. If you've been hurt or betrayed, it makes sense to want something, whether it's answers or revenge. Which one depends on who you are as a person. But I remember the saying that goes something like this: holding on to anger and resentment is like taking a poison pill and waiting for the other person to die.

[GinaC]

Originally Posted by Chouter

I agree there is alot of anger and resentment here, but I am one of those who has not been affected by any of this personally, so I have not walked in those shoes. If you've been hurt or betrayed, it makes sense to want something, whether it's answers or revenge. Which one depends on who you are as a person. But I remember the saying that goes something like this: holding on to anger and resentment is like taking a poison pill and waiting for the other person to die.

I think that there is confusion between anger and righteous indignation.

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

Don't anyone get you knickers in a knot

There are currently no messages or broadcasts at this time, but there is something in the works, and trust me, you will all be alerted to it when the time comes.

what she said......

Originally Posted by Mayberryfan

Can most of the people here change their log-in names to Chatty Cathy1, 2 and so on?

Geesh! I finally caught up. Whew. *huffs, puffs* The "secret room" had me thrown too. Will standby for updates.

So, Heidi's house has 4 bedrooms? Anyone see a "bed & breakfast" with Nurse Ratchit as the hostess coming in the future? Instead of the Canyon Ranch Spa, Heidi can host an in-home diet program. How would you like your egg whites this morning/noon/evening?

Welcome to the Hotel Heidi-fornia. You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave! Unless, you're willing to sign an iron-clad modeling contract, when you've successfully followed our little diet program.

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Oh, be still my beating heart! (Don't we have a shuttering smilie??) I just know I'm going to have nightmares now.... locks on the fridge and cupboards that are bare ... and stretch pants for everyone ...

I wonder how many of those celebs that love the diet will be the first in line?

oh my I don't even want to think about it!!!

[Sheridan]

Originally Posted by Darlene41

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This is MY opinion. Please don’t take anything personal. I’ve never had any interactions with Tippy or Heidi.
I never attempted her diet. I haven’t been affected by the scam or diet. I am just an outsider sort of watching from the sidelines and have a different perspective that I want to share.

In regards to Tippy – many of you might be very disappointed. It’s not all about Tippy making a mistake. It’s way more than that. It is who she is. I see her as the neighborhood trouble maker, the family trouble maker, and a fake friend. She is very immature and reminds of junior high. Remember the girl who people really didn’t like. But, she tried to be nice and then would gossip to one girl, and then gossip to the other girl about the other girl. How about the way she speaks about her husband. I could never talk that way about my husband. It’s disrepectful and mean.
Make sense? Ya know, I have a 13 yr. old niece who is more mature than Tippy.

Also, you should be…well, maybe I’ll take that back and say that I am appalled at some of things that she has done to people. Trying to sabotage somebody’s weight loss isn’t a mistake, that is very mean, and that is the ESSENSE OF TIPPY. This isn’t about oh, I am sorry for doing that; this is something that she NEVER should have done in the first place. And, I won’t pick through everything she has done, most of you know everything.

But, do you understand, that these aren’t mistakes?
This is her, her personality, THE ESSENSE OF TIPPY.
It’s been said that people can change. Think of somebody you’ve known for many years? Have they truly, really changed their personality?, have they changed who they really are? Yes, maybe they took a different career path, maybe they’ve lost weight, maybe they changed what type music they like, but have they really changed THE ESSENCE OF THEMSELVES? No.

She wants to be the head one, the one in charge, she wants attention, even if it’s bad.

But, not because she’s a con or schemer like Heidi, but because that is the ESSENSE OF TIPPY. Personally, in my opinion, Tippy just isn’t smart enough to do what Heidi has done. (well, Heidi isn’t really that smart either because she got caught)

See, IF she is talking to the attorney, IF she is ‘trying’ to do right, it is only because she wants to be able to come back in here and have everybody praise her for doing a good job, for realizing that she made a mistake, etc. She will have all the glory and attention.

But I believe that it is for show, to get in the good graces once again, so she can do it all over again. It’s a pattern of behavior and personality.

So, I’ve said what I wanted to say. I just don’t want people who have already been hurt to be steamrolled again. And, for people who do have the forgiveness in their hearts, I admire you. I can only forgive when it’s an honest mistake. However, I don’t feel the need to forgive her, I don’t have any anger. To be honest with you, I don’t have any feelings one way or the other. Except to say, Wow! Can’t believe these people (meaning Heidi, TT, SL) are doing all of this crap. Well, I’m not angry, but I am disgusted with Heidi and her crew for what they have done and are doing.

Darlene, GREAT post!

Remember when Tippy went on the M&J show and vowed to make things right, told a nationwide audience she would fix things? IMO, it wasn't altruism motivating her to say those things, it was her overwhelming desire to "be somebody", to have the attention focused on her as someone "important" and to be admired and venerated. Every plant bears its own distinctive fruit. A thorn bush does not suddenly bear figs.

Originally Posted by GinaC

Very good posts by all re TT. This is my position on the whole tawdry affair:

Forgiveness is a personal thing but in order to forgive you must be the one who has been wronged. TT did not do anything to me therefore, I can't forgive her for her acts. Only those who were wronged can offer her forgiveness and I would never dream of speaking for them. While Becky and Christin have both offered forgiveness, Kim and many others have not yet reached that point and I respect their decision to withhold forgiveness until they feel that she is worthy.

However, the crime that she helped to perpetuate is an act committed against society and I am a member of that society. Society has a system in place to offer forgiveness to criminals - trial in a court of law before a jury of your peers. If found guilty you will be punished according to the laws of society. After completing your punishment, you are restored to society.

TT is a criminal and while individual forgiveness is in process, she is still responsible for her actions against society.

Very well said!

I think that there is confusion between anger and righteous indignation.

Gina, I completely agree.

[TerryC]

I think this has been a really great discussion and I hope that no one feels sorry they either started this conversation or contributed to it...so please everyone stop apologizing!!!

I think we all want to hear each other's opinions, or at least I know I do.

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by TerryC

I think this has been a really great discussion and I hope that no one feels sorry they either started this conversation or contributed to it...so please everyone stop apologizing!!!

I think we all want to hear each other's opinions, or at least I know I do.

very well said.....

[Sheridan]

Originally Posted by TerryC

I think this has been a really great discussion and I hope that no one feels sorry they either started this conversation or contributed to it...so please everyone stop apologizing!!!

I think we all want to hear each other's opinions, or at least I know I do.

[Bunnymuffin]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

I read a very insightful book not too long ago on forgiveness, and how each of us has our own "forgiveness language".

Mom to Eli; Do you have the title of that book and/or author? I'd love to read it for my side job. Thanks!

Originally Posted by MissMerize

Don't anyone get you knickers in a knot

But, But, But, iffin my knickers aren't knotted they'll fall down!!!

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by marnaewilson

You know, my mother does really mean things to me all the time. Just a week a go she sent me a Christmas letter and included in it a notarized letter saying I and several of my siblings were not to be notified or invited to her funeral. What a Christmas present! I don't have to like my mom. I don't have to associate with her. I just try not to let her affect my peace of mind. Same goes for Tippy. I have no dog in the fight with her, because I never interacted with her at all, but I've read all these threads, and I empathize with those of you whom she hurt. I am sorry people are mean and selfish and hurtful. But I laugh inside sometimes because Tippy is getting just what she wanted--all the attention in the world. And you bet she'll pretend to be sorry, cause then she'll get even more attention from you loving and forgiving women. But it's really all just a pretense so she can stay front and center. If you really want to get back at her, you'll all refuse to discuss, recognize, or interact with her. Period.

First of all, I'm sorry about your mother. Secondly, you are right. We could stick it to TT big time by refusing to acknowledging her.

Originally Posted by Darlene41

In regards to Tippy – many of you might be very disappointed. It’s not all about Tippy making a mistake. It’s way more than that. It is who she is. I see her as the neighborhood trouble maker, the family trouble maker, and a fake friend. She is very immature and reminds of junior high. Remember the girl who people really didn’t like. But, she tried to be nice and then would gossip to one girl, and then gossip to the other girl about the other girl. How about the way she speaks about her husband. I could never talk that way about my husband. It’s disrepectful and mean.
Make sense? Ya know, I have a 13 yr. old niece who is more mature than Tippy.

Also, you should be…well, maybe I’ll take that back and say that I am appalled at some of things that she has done to people. Trying to sabotage somebody’s weight loss isn’t a mistake, that is very mean, and that is the ESSENSE OF TIPPY. This isn’t about oh, I am sorry for doing that; this is something that she NEVER should have done in the first place. And, I won’t pick through everything she has done, most of you know everything.
But, do you understand, that these aren’t mistakes?
This is her, her personality, THE ESSENSE OF TIPPY.
It’s been said that people can change. Think of somebody you’ve known for many years? Have they truly, really changed their personality?, have they changed who they really are? Yes, maybe they took a different career path, maybe they’ve lost weight, maybe they changed what type music they like, but have they really changed THE ESSENCE OF THEMSELVES? No.

She wants to be the head one, the one in charge, she wants attention, even if it’s bad. But, not because she’s a con or schemer like Heidi, but because that is the ESSENSE OF TIPPY. Personally, in my opinion, Tippy just isn’t smart enough to do what Heidi has done. (well, Heidi isn’t really that smart either because she got caught)

See, IF she is talking to the attorney, IF she is ‘trying’ to do right, it is only because she wants to be able to come back in here and have everybody praise her for doing a good job, for realizing that she made a mistake, etc. She will have all the glory and attention.
But I believe that it is for show, to get in the good graces once again, so she can do it all over again. It’s a pattern of behavior and personality.

So, I’ve said what I wanted to say. I just don’t want people who have already been hurt to be steamrolled again. And, for people who do have the forgiveness in their hearts, I admire you. I can only forgive when it’s an honest mistake. However, I don’t feel the need to forgive her, I don’t have any anger. To be honest with you, I don’t have any feelings one way or the other. Except to say, Wow! Can’t believe these people (meaning Heidi, TT, SL) are doing all of this crap. Well, I’m not angry, but I am disgusted with Heidi and her crew for what they have done and are doing.

I think it’s wonderful that we can all share our beliefs/opinions with such respect.

On another note, this entire thread has been crazy, funny, sad, full of great information and I thank all you for the work you’ve done to bring all this to light. I feel like I know each and every one of you. And although I don’t have any feelings about the scammers and the lying liars who lie, I feel compassion for all of you. (When say 'feelings', I mean I'm not angry inside because they didn't do anything personal to me. I can't find the right words to express exactly what I'm trying to say there. And, I do have respect for each of you and respect your beliefs.

Have a wonderful day..and back to lurking.

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Whoa, Nellie! Speaking for at least myself, plus how I've read most of these posts, no one is judging anyone here. And no one is even hinting that anyone with a brain should get all cozy and cuddly with TT. Speaking for myself, I've no intention whatsoever of EVER getting to know her. I HAVE, however, grown quite fond of several of YOU and felt compelled to encourage those that are harboring a deep resentment of this women to not let her become so darned important to you, because experience (and training) has shown that that sort of intense feelings towards another can be incredibly destructive. As someone else has stated opening, the intensity has been building.

And I'm certainly not trying to censor anyone. Why, that would simply be unAmerican of me.

Please take a step back and try to hear the heart of what is said. And if you don't like it, please just reject it.

It disturbs me greatly to be attributed with intentions I simply do not have. Are you so caught up in this that a simple discussion of the meaning of forgiveness and how that has been totally twisted in our society to mean something totally meaningless is somehow tantamount to sleeping with the enemy?

Originally Posted by MomToEli

See, I don't think this is a fair request at all. And certainly it wasn't my intent to try to stifle people.

magicsmom - I'm sorry you were made to feel like that was my intention.

Oh, dear. So very sorry I started this all ...

MomToEli, I am sorry you feel that I singled you out, because I was not intending that. There have been many posts in recent weeks by many people to the effect that if we see TT for the evil person she is and if we post what we believe about her, we are being venomous and unforgiving. These are words that keep coming up to describe the posts of a certain group of us. Like, I said in my previous post, I forgive her. I just will not give her another opportunity to get into my world again. It really is possible to forgive and move on. I have done that for my own good, but feel strongly that it was my duty to warn people about her. There are people here who post on other boards that are actually entertaining the idea of giving her another chance at their place. I was merely trying to spare them. She cannot hurt me anymore because I won't let her, but I can at least try to keep what happened to me and my friends from happening to others who are innocent and unsuspecting. Some people actually believe she was an innocent victim of Heidi's, and that is what she wants you to believe. I have done my best to bring to light what her character is, but if people don't want to hear it, they don't. I've said all I'm going to say and if people want to believe it, fine. If not, whatever happens is in their life, not mine. I'm done with it.

[baller4life4sure]

Good evening all. You all may not know or remember me, but I was a part of this board back in 2004. I didn't post very much at all. I usually would just lurk and read very informative information about the low carb way of life. I have struggled with weight all of my adult life and stubbled upon this site by accident. I immediately became motivated and inspired after reading the many many post of the resident guru back in those days, KIMMER. I spent hours upon hours reading her many many posts and "words of wisdom" on how to lose weight fast and easy. I was astonished and inspired that a woman could finally beat the battle of the bulge and be so helpful to others at the same time. She so effortlessly seemed to be the "Queen of Weight Loss". I mean anybody that could lose such an enormous amount of weight in such a short period of time and keep it off for years, was going to be my own personal diet coach. I'm sure unbeknownst to her, I hung on EVERY word she said and did EVERYTHING she said. I remember the "Kimmer Experiment". Where you only eat meat and eggs for 3 days and lost a tremendous amount of weight. I lost weight for sure during those days. About 40 lbs. But, life issues started happening to me and I fell off the wagon. This week I decided that I was going to get myself back in shape and I came running back to LCF. The very FIRST thing I did was tried to look for the Meat & Egg Challenge Thread. So i typed in Kimmer in the search engine. Imagine my HORROR!!!!!!!!!!!..So, I spent ALL of Tuesday evening, into the wee hours of the morning, reading about the scandal involving Kimmer, Heidi Diaz,Liar!!!!..I can't remember a time when I was ever so shocked, appalled, betrayed..This woman, who I idolized for her wisdom and perserverance and determination turns out to be a complete fraud...Words can not even express how I felt reading it all and seeing the REAL pics of her with my own eyes. I can only imagine how those of you who followed her to the Kimkins website and paid money to be members must have felt. Or how those of you who so diligently followed every word she said and starved yourselves only to find out that she was some morbidly obese woman that ate whatever she felt like, must have felt. It reminds me of the Wizard in "The Wiz". Everyone pictured him to be this great person and he turned out to be a fraud!!...This has for certain taught me a very valuable lesson about life in general. Ladies(and gentlemen), we CANNOT look to another HUMAN BEING for our hope, motivation and inspiration because HUMAN BEINGS can and WILL let you down every time. We have to look within ourselves to become motivated and inspired to want to be the very best person we can be. Sure it is great to seek and get advice and to have a great board like LCF to interact with others and get support from one another. But, I will never again put all my hope and trust in one HUMAN to guide and direct me on what to do with my life and my health. Heartbroken can't even describe the way that I feel right now. I hope and pray that Heidi Diaz gets what is coming to her. And that she never again gets the opportunity to hurt innocent people!!!.......Thank you all for allowing me to vent. I wish you much success and happy low-carbing in 2008

[Katinsac]

Welcome Tanya.....I hope you can again reach your success through other threads on this great LCF site....I'm also glad you read the threads about Kimmer and found out what the rest of us found out the hard way. Best of luck on your weight loss journey.

[baller4life4sure]

Thanks so much Kat. I have a really huge lump in my throat. I just don't understand how someone can be so diabolical, cold and callous. I'm determined nontheless to get back on track and win this battle once and for all. What is the latest regarding the lawsuit? Has criminal charges been brought against this fraud?

[Magicsmom]

Tanya, you are in a very large group of astonished people. I look back on posts that I made to Kimmer on this board praising her and it makes me want to puke! Let's get on to doing this in a healthy way! Welcome back to the board and to low carbing.

By the way, many people have experienced a carb binge after doing Kimmer's plans. It kind of goes hand-in-hand with the extreme deprivation that is Kimkins. It feels so good to be back on Atkins where if you are having SNATT, there is something wrong, rather than that being something that is to be attained.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by baller4life4sure

Thanks so much Kat. I have a really huge lump in my throat. I just don't understand how someone can be so diabolical, cold and callous. I'm determined nontheless to get back on track and win this battle once and for all. What is the latest regarding the lawsuit? Has criminal charges been brought against this fraud?

No criminal charges yet, but this case is being looked at by the Attorney General of California.

[CarolynF]

Hi everyone..

I just love it when people like Tanya post for the first time in a very long time. It proves that LCF has exposed the truth about Heidi and people are still reading and learning about this truth. It is just great!! (Welcome, Tanya).

I've read all the posts about TT..I think discussion is extremely healthy and we can agree to disagree on this. Everyone is at a different place with TT..Some have been very hurt,some have been kinda hurt, and some haven't been affected at all. So, we all have to respect each other's feelings, listen, and learn from their experiences. The truth for LCF's is that Tippy will never be allowed to post here again. So, that part is mute and unless some of us travel to other sites, we may never have contact with her again. It's our own personal choice.

Just because Tippy didn't hurt ME personally doesn't mean I don't care about my friends on this board whom she did hurt. Hugs go out to all of you. I can't tell you how to feel about this and I don't think it's my place to do that.

We are all here for each other focussed on telling the truth about Kimkins and getting people to eat healthy while losing weight...Group hug time..LOLOL

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by Bunnymuffin

[color="Blue"]Mom to Eli; Do you have the title of that book and/or author? I'd love to read it for my side job. Thanks!

Sure. It's called The Five Languages of Apology: How To Experience Healing in All Your Relationships, by Gary Chapman and Jennifer Thomas.

I have several books that deal with things like this, as I've dealt with a lot of adults who have harbored hurts from all sorts of people - from childhood all the way through adulthood. It is amazing how those things play out in the course of the rest of ones life. And what we end up believing about ourselves as a result. I can't remember who it was on these threads that said they were feeling this, but it is very common for someone to come away doubting themselves and their ability to protect themselves from people like Heidi. Or they become very suspcious of most everyone.

[Sheridan]

Originally Posted by baller4life4sure

Good evening all. You all may not know or remember me, but I was a part of this board back in 2004. I didn't post very much at all. I usually would just lurk and read very informative information about the low carb way of life. I have struggled with weight all of my adult life and stubbled upon this site by accident. I immediately became motivated and inspired after reading the many many post of the resident guru back in those days, KIMMER. I spent hours upon hours reading her many many posts and "words of wisdom" on how to lose weight fast and easy. I was astonished and inspired that a woman could finally beat the battle of the bulge and be so helpful to others at the same time. She so effortlessly seemed to be the "Queen of Weight Loss". I mean anybody that could lose such an enormous amount of weight in such a short period of time and keep it off for years, was going to be my own personal diet coach. I'm sure unbeknownst to her, I hung on EVERY word she said and did EVERYTHING she said. I remember the "Kimmer Experiment". Where you only eat meat and eggs for 3 days and lost a tremendous amount of weight. I lost weight for sure during those days. About 40 lbs. But, life issues started happening to me and I fell off the wagon. This week I decided that I was going to get myself back in shape and I came running back to LCF. The very FIRST thing I did was tried to look for the Meat & Egg Challenge Thread. So i typed in Kimmer in the search engine. Imagine my HORROR!!!!!!!!!!!..So, I spent ALL of Tuesday evening, into the wee hours of the morning, reading about the scandal involving Kimmer, Heidi Diaz,Liar!!!!..I can't remember a time when I was ever so shocked, appalled, betrayed..This woman, who I idolized for her wisdom and perserverance and determination turns out to be a complete fraud...Words can not even express how I felt reading it all and seeing the REAL pics of her with my own eyes. I can only imagine how those of you who followed her to the Kimkins website and paid money to be members must have felt. Or how those of you who so diligently followed every word she said and starved yourselves only to find out that she was some morbidly obese woman that ate whatever she felt like, must have felt. It reminds me of the Wizard in "The Wiz". Everyone pictured him to be this great person and he turned out to be a fraud!!...This has for certain taught me a very valuable lesson about life in general. Ladies(and gentlemen), we CANNOT look to another HUMAN BEING for our hope, motivation and inspiration because HUMAN BEINGS can and WILL let you down every time. We have to look within ourselves to become motivated and inspired to want to be the very best person we can be. Sure it is great to seek and get advice and to have a great board like LCF to interact with others and get support from one another. But, I will never again put all my hope and trust in one HUMAN to guide and direct me on what to do with my life and my health. Heartbroken can't even describe the way that I feel right now. I hope and pray that Heidi Diaz gets what is coming to her. And that she never again gets the opportunity to hurt innocent people!!!.......Thank you all for allowing me to vent. I wish you much success and happy low-carbing in 2008

Tanya and back!

Your experience is one of the reasons we persevere and don't just "drop it"; we don't want anyone else to mistake her for anything other than she is: A BIG FRAUD.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by Mallory

Great post Darlene41

I second that!

Originally Posted by marnaewilson

You know, my mother does really mean things to me all the time. Just a week a go she sent me a Christmas letter and included in it a notarized letter saying I and several of my siblings were not to be notified or invited to her funeral. What a Christmas present! I don't have to like my mom. I don't have to associate with her. I just try not to let her affect my peace of mind. Same goes for Tippy. I have no dog in the fight with her, because I never interacted with her at all, but I've read all these threads, and I empathize with those of you whom she hurt. I am sorry people are mean and selfish and hurtful. But I laugh inside sometimes because Tippy is getting just what she wanted--all the attention in the world. And you bet she'll pretend to be sorry, cause then she'll get even more attention from you loving and forgiving women. But it's really all just a pretense so she can stay front and center. If you really want to get back at her, you'll all refuse to discuss, recognize, or interact with her. Period.

Originally Posted by TerryC