Why the fascination with Kimmer? #11

[ShellyW]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

not on your life---you personally know that the proper authorities in CA that are in the foster children field KNOW all about this

there's no way in H*** they will ever approve of her having foster kids again...



I'll send a pm....

Can I get a pm also??

[ShellyW]

Originally Posted by WildAngel6

Oh dear, some one said the "C" word. Can it really be that time of year already?

Gosh, it just seems like yesterday that the PI's pictures were posted! My how time flies when you are having "fun"!

I'm so buried deep in the "links" here, I'll have to dig myself out to start getting ready for the holidays. That is, IF, I can tear myself away from this board long enough to do so. I wonder if my family will understand if all they get for Christmas this year is a few more pro-KK sites taken down?

I feel an odd tugging feeling towards getting ready for the holidays, but I don't feel like it's time to take any pressure off KK yet.

Decisions, decisions!

Lucky for me I took care of the DH on the Russian Bride sites

[Kona sunset]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Please note: I've never had ANY dealings with TT and only know of her through this thread and watching her on KTLA ....

I read a very insightful book not too long ago on forgiveness, and how each of us has our own "forgiveness language". If the offender doesn't offer their apology in our language, we don't accept it as a sincere apology. Quite an interesting read. It goes on to say that as the offender I have the responsibility to communicate in a way that is meaningful to the person I've offended.

But, what I really wanted to comment on in all of this is that forgiveness is not reconciliation. I totally understand where Christin is coming from and her forgiveness is very consistent with her core beliefs as a Christian. I support her fully in walking her talk.

Forgiveness has nothing to do with the offender, actually. It is about us stepping back and letting God do what He likes with the other person, and us getting on with our own stuff without being consumed with that other person.

Reconciliation, however, certainly requires repentance and restoration. And it may be that it is literally impossible to ever have the same relationship with someone as before. I know I'm there with my ex-best friend. I've forgiven her, and I'm still incredibly sad that we have no relationship anymore, but I simply can't subject myself to what she has done to me now twice ever again (or my children, for that matter).

That said, as a Christian I would not dare to believe that anyone is beyond being redeemed. Christ can and does change lives every single day. I only have to look at myself to see that (my offenses were different that TT's to be sure, but just as offensive to a Holy God). Rarely does that heart change alleviate consequences, though. If TT is found culpable in the Kimkins scam she should be held accountable as allowed under the law certainly, and I know if I find her on a board I'm posting on I will either leave or be incredibly leery. My weight loss issues are too important to me to knowingly expose myself to one known to be deceitful when it serves her purposes.

Ok ... I'll step off my soapbox and back into lurkdom now.

Well said! I have been sitting here reading through all the posts about what TT is going to have to do before others will forgive her and thinking about posting what forgiveness is really all about. You said it well. There is a big difference between forgiveness and reconciliation. There may never be reconciliation with TT for many, maybe most, on this board, but there can be forgiveness.

Forgiveness is a decision that brings about healing for the one doing the forgiving. It has nothing to do with the offender. I have heard it expressed as taking them off of your hook and putting them on God's hook. There is a lot of venom here toward TT. Anger can and does destroy the person holding that anger. I think a lot of the posters here think that they are releasing the anger by talking about it. All I see is it getting worse. The only way to get rid of the anger is to forgive. Forget about TT. You don't have to reconcile with her. Just let it go. Quit talking about her. Make the decision to forgive. And let the healing begin!

*back to lurk mode*

[Jazlyn]

Originally Posted by Diana

What is this secret place? Can someone PM me...?

Me too. I must have missed something.

[Mallory]

Originally Posted by Jazlyn

Me too. I must have missed something.

I guess if we keep asking too then it wont be a "secret place" anymore, huh? Im curious and would love to know what Im missing, if someone wants to pm me too.. pretty please?

[AllieCat0817]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

But, what I really wanted to comment on in all of this is that forgiveness is not reconciliation. I totally understand where Christin is coming from and her forgiveness is very consistent with her core beliefs as a Christian. I support her fully in walking her talk.

Forgiveness has nothing to do with the offender, actually. It is about us stepping back and letting God do what He likes with the other person, and us getting on with our own stuff without being consumed with that other person.

Reconciliation, however, certainly requires repentance and restoration. And it may be that it is literally impossible to ever have the same relationship with someone as before. I know I'm there with my ex-best friend. I've forgiven her, and I'm still incredibly sad that we have no relationship anymore, but I simply can't subject myself to what she has done to me now twice ever again (or my children, for that matter).

That said, as a Christian I would not dare to believe that anyone is beyond being redeemed. Christ can and does change lives every single day. I only have to look at myself to see that (my offenses were different that TT's to be sure, but just as offensive to a Holy God). Rarely does that heart change alleviate consequences, though. If TT is found culpable in the Kimkins scam she should be held accountable as allowed under the law certainly, and I know if I find her on a board I'm posting on I will either leave or be incredibly leery. My weight loss issues are too important to me to knowingly expose myself to one known to be deceitful when it serves her purposes.

Ok ... I'll step off my soapbox and back into lurkdom now.

That is SO beautifully said. And what I was tryna say. God is awesome.

[Kona sunset]

I'm sure MissMerize will post the address again when she sees your posts. Otherwise, you can search her posts in this thread for the address of the secret place. It's quite a few pages back.

[MissMerize]

Originally Posted by Kona sunset

I'm sure MissMerize will post the address again when she sees your posts. Otherwise, you can search her posts in this thread for the address of the secret place. It's quite a few pages back.

Don't anyone get you knickers in a knot

There are currently no messages or broadcasts at this time, but there is something in the works, and trust me, you will all be alerted to it when the time comes.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by missis36

Holy cripes. Upon re-reading blogs and whatnot, it just occurred to me...anyone else wanna lay money on why Heidi bought a 4 bedroom house? I'll put cash down now on the fact that she's planning on being a foster parent again as a back up money plan when the kimpire tanks. Crapola!

Hey, way back when I found out it was a 4-bedroom, I suggested she was planning on taking in more paying guests.

[Kona sunset]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

Don't anyone get you knickers in a knot

There are currently no messages or broadcasts at this time, but there is something in the works, and trust me, you will all be alerted to it when the time comes.

Thanks, MissM! I have to admit that I haven't had time to listen to the broadcast yet. I hope to get to it today. I'm really glad you are doing this. I think it is great!

[susique333]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

Don't anyone get you knickers in a knot

There are currently no messages or broadcasts at this time, but there is something in the works, and trust me, you will all be alerted to it when the time comes.

Hey you cute thing you (Love the hairdo ), could you post the link to the broadcast either in your signature or from time to time so those of us who didnt get to hear it can access it? Ive gone back a few pages and cant find it? Thanks!

[ShellyW]

I didnt get the first broadcast.. I think i missed where to sign up MissM can you forward a link to me? Thanks...

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by Kona sunset

Well said! I have been sitting here reading through all the posts about what TT is going to have to do before others will forgive her and thinking about posting what forgiveness is really all about. You said it well. There is a big difference between forgiveness and reconciliation. There may never be reconciliation with TT for many, maybe most, on this board, but there can be forgiveness.

Forgiveness is a decision that brings about healing for the one doing the forgiving. It has nothing to do with the offender. I have heard it expressed as taking them off of your hook and putting them on God's hook. There is a lot of venom here toward TT. Anger can and does destroy the person holding that anger. I think a lot of the posters here think that they are releasing the anger by talking about it. All I see is it getting worse. The only way to get rid of the anger is to forgive. Forget about TT. You don't have to reconcile with her. Just let it go. Quit talking about her. Make the decision to forgive. And let the healing begin!

*back to lurk mode*

Very good post ...... thank you!

[SMP]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

Please note: I've never had ANY dealings with TT and only know of her through this thread and watching her on KTLA ....

I read a very insightful book not too long ago on forgiveness, and how each of us has our own "forgiveness language". If the offender doesn't offer their apology in our language, we don't accept it as a sincere apology. Quite an interesting read. It goes on to say that as the offender I have the responsibility to communicate in a way that is meaningful to the person I've offended.

But, what I really wanted to comment on in all of this is that forgiveness is not reconciliation. I totally understand where Christin is coming from and her forgiveness is very consistent with her core beliefs as a Christian. I support her fully in walking her talk.

Forgiveness has nothing to do with the offender, actually. It is about us stepping back and letting God do what He likes with the other person, and us getting on with our own stuff without being consumed with that other person.

Finally, someone who "gets it." It's about our healing, not our dealings with an offender.

Reconciliation, however, certainly requires repentance and restoration. And it may be that it is literally impossible to ever have the same relationship with someone as before. I know I'm there with my ex-best friend. I've forgiven her, and I'm still incredibly sad that we have no relationship anymore, but I simply can't subject myself to what she has done to me now twice ever again (or my children, for that matter).

Forgiveness removes their power to continue hurting us. Resuming the relationship can put us in harm's way again. I'm sorry you went through this painful episode, but that's what gives us the experience and maturity to recognize unhealthy situations and/or deceitful friends.

That said, as a Christian I would not dare to believe that anyone is beyond being redeemed. Christ can and does change lives every single day. I only have to look at myself to see that (my offenses were different that TT's to be sure, but just as offensive to a Holy God). Rarely does that heart change alleviate consequences, though. If TT is found culpable in the Kimkins scam she should be held accountable as allowed under the law certainly, and I know if I find her on a board I'm posting on I will either leave or be incredibly leery. My weight loss issues are too important to me to knowingly expose myself to one known to be deceitful when it serves her purposes.

Ok ... I'll step off my soapbox and back into lurkdom now.

Tremendous post, both for the insight and your conclusions. MomtoEli, I hope your weight loss continues on to full success, because you are already a success as a decent person.

[marnaewilson]

Tremendous post, both for the insight and your conclusions. MomtoEli, I hope your weight loss continues on to full success, because you are already a success as a decent person.

I totally agree. Forgiving, however, does not mean you turn your brain or your defenses off. We can be forgiving and still be wise. We cannot demand that someone else fix their mistakes or repent. We just have to let them be less than perfect or downright wicked and stay away from them if they choose to be that way.

[missis36]

Ladies ladies ladies, please don't for a moment think that any of your statements are falling on deaf ears. I just wanted to throw the other end of the spectrum in here.

While many of you are religious individuals, please keep in mind others are not, or if they are it's not the same type of religion you are. Meaning: While some choose to have forgiveness in their hearts, others choose the "eye for an eye" mentality.

This does not make any one person more right than the other. It's just that with such a diverse board you will run across people who heal in their own way. Some who believe Karma needs a little help and some who believe if you put your trust in God he will handle it.

Again, everyone is right in this situation, because it's YOUR personal belief on how you want to handle it. You see? While I love the post from Mom to Eli, I also am (admittedly) one of the people who continues to haunt Tippy. However, when I followed her around this board it was to explain that she was walking herself into fraud. I was actually believe it or not trying to help. That ended when she threatened my friends.

See while I can understand the religious side of it, I can also understand the eye for an eye part of it. Because were the entire low carb community (less the people who are not religious) to accept Tippy with open arms, please think of the ramifications of the people who aren't religious. What are they to believe anymore, that a person can knowingly cause harm (ya'll know her infractions) and then just say "oops" and it's all good. It's hard for some who are not religious to follow that mindset.

I only say this because I respect the heck out of the people who have posted such beauty about forgiveness. And I see you all as those women that are on TV forgiving their childs murder, and I always say "Wow, that's a better person than I." Much like I said of Christin.

Sorry to ramble I just wanted to say that we aren't all going against God so to speak, but you have to keep in mind, my God may not be the same as your God. Ya know?

Hope that made sense. In the end all I would like to see happen is for everyone on this board to get along and for all of the infighting re: how we should deal with this and that to stop. Because again, I don't think anyone is EVER going to agree 100% with what someone else does.

PS: My father was studying to be a pastor when my 5 yr old brother died of cancer. He had two choices forgive, or flee. He chose not to believe anymore, so you see, I get the whole religion vs non religion thing

[missis36]

Great now I've gone and killed the thread.

So...erm....how about those Bears eh? Pretty good game right (knows nothing about sports just trying to change the subject)

Shutting up now, carry on.

[Nady]

Originally Posted by marnaewilson

I totally agree. Forgiving, however, does not mean you turn your brain or your defenses off. We can be forgiving and still be wise. We cannot demand that someone else fix their mistakes or repent. We just have to let them be less than perfect or downright wicked and stay away from them if they choose to be that way.

In a real world, isn't it the 'owies' we survive that makes us wise? We learn what (and who) to beware of, to protect ourselves against, both physically and emotionally. While I fully believe in forgiveness~ after all, you aren't forced to accept the offender back into you life~ I also believe we're meant to learn from the hurtful experience. Otherwise, it has no value at all~ just pain.
~~~N

[Mayberryfan]

Can most of the people here change their log-in names to Chatty Cathy1, 2 and so on?

Geesh! I finally caught up. Whew. *huffs, puffs* The "secret room" had me thrown too. Will standby for updates.

So, Heidi's house has 4 bedrooms? Anyone see a "bed & breakfast" with Nurse Ratchit as the hostess coming in the future? Instead of the Canyon Ranch Spa, Heidi can host an in-home diet program. How would you like your egg whites this morning/noon/evening?

Welcome to the Hotel Heidi-fornia. You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave! Unless, you're willing to sign an iron-clad modeling contract, when you've successfully followed our little diet program.

[amadeus4313]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

I thought she was banned from here

how can she sign in? more importantly why sign in?

I've been wondering the same thing. She is here pretty regularly.

[MissMerize]

To sign up for further broadcast events click here

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WAIT! before you go to willie's, you will need to look for Date / Time: 12/3/2007 8:00 PM
I'm on the Felicia Hamilton replay, the second half.

Now something else has been suggested to me today from what I talked about in the blog here
I have an old domain name, and there are things I could do with it, but I highly respect the opinions of everyone here and would like to know what would be most useful for you here. There is so much useful information in these posts, but it is scattered everywhere.
So check out the blog and more importantly, the comments made at the bottom as to what I should do.
I like to recycle, and if I can do something useful for this group (most important) then I would like to know.

Thanks!

Tip for day: Potted meat has no carbs

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by missis36

Ladies ladies ladies, please don't for a moment think that any of your statements are falling on deaf ears. I just wanted to throw the other end of the spectrum in here.

While many of you are religious individuals, please keep in mind others are not, or if they are it's not the same type of religion you are. Meaning: While some choose to have forgiveness in their hearts, others choose the "eye for an eye" mentality.

This does not make any one person more right than the other. It's just that with such a diverse board you will run across people who heal in their own way. Some who believe Karma needs a little help and some who believe if you put your trust in God he will handle it.

Again, everyone is right in this situation, because it's YOUR personal belief on how you want to handle it. You see? While I love the post from Mom to Eli, I also am (admittedly) one of the people who continues to haunt Tippy. However, when I followed her around this board it was to explain that she was walking herself into fraud. I was actually believe it or not trying to help. That ended when she threatened my friends.

See while I can understand the religious side of it, I can also understand the eye for an eye part of it. Because were the entire low carb community (less the people who are not religious) to accept Tippy with open arms, please think of the ramifications of the people who aren't religious. What are they to believe anymore, that a person can knowingly cause harm (ya'll know her infractions) and then just say "oops" and it's all good. It's hard for some who are not religious to follow that mindset.

I only say this because I respect the heck out of the people who have posted such beauty about forgiveness. And I see you all as those women that are on TV forgiving their childs murder, and I always say "Wow, that's a better person than I." Much like I said of Christin.

Sorry to ramble I just wanted to say that we aren't all going against God so to speak, but you have to keep in mind, my God may not be the same as your God. Ya know?

Hope that made sense. In the end all I would like to see happen is for everyone on this board to get along and for all of the infighting re: how we should deal with this and that to stop. Because again, I don't think anyone is EVER going to agree 100% with what someone else does.

PS: My father was studying to be a pastor when my 5 yr old brother died of cancer. He had two choices forgive, or flee. He chose not to believe anymore, so you see, I get the whole religion vs non religion thing

Good post. It's a very personal thing and those of us who have not been here long can never truly understand the experience of others who were scammed by Heidi and unfairly treated by Tippy. Tippy has behaved very badly, regardless of what her motivations were.

There's no reason everyone has to agree on how to feel or respond to her. They each willl respond in their own way, based on their own experience.