Why the fascination with Kimmer? #11

[Tanner]

Originally Posted by Beaglesaroo

That "Dennise" name....Wasn't there also a "Dennise Sharp(e)" in Zephyrhills, FL? It's an odd spelling. And it's a weird coincidence that Tippy lives in Zephyrhills. (of course, it's a coincidence that I live somewhat near there )

and the IRS angle, I've been saying for a while that I hoped they'd get involved cause it would mean a world of hurt for Kimmer. The IRS doesn't generally accept excuses - you have to be able to PROVE what you're telling them. Good luck with that Kimmer.

I was thinking the same things abt being related - when I was looking through the Riverside Courts... but didnt look too much as that would have side tracked me...

[EasyPeas]

Originally Posted by Tanner

She will have to find her a Sugardaddy!
Or find another scam.

She will have to find her a Sugardaddy.... to buy her sugar cookies!

[Just4Me]

Originally Posted by Synesthetic

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And though those transcripts are public record, it won't be easy to find them. That said, you guys can find anything, so I fully expect to read it soon.

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As far as I know, this is incorrect. A deposition is not public record until at trial it's been entered into evidence. If so, it won't be available to for us (public) to read until/unless there's a trial and Jeanessa et al. enter it into evidence.

[Synesthetic]

Originally Posted by Just4Me

As far as I know, this is incorrect. A deposition is not public record until at trial it's been entered into evidence. If so, it won't be available to for us (public) to read until/unless there's a trial and Jeanessa et al. enter it into evidence.

Acutally, a deposition becomes public record as soon as it is filed with the court. This filing (usually) is done as soon as both parties have signed off on the final version.

While this filing isn't done in every state every time, it is customary except in cases in which it is sealed by the court (which is rare). The filing is really what determines if something is public record. Most civil cases settle without trial.

Though I'm sure we would all like to see a trial in this case, just for the entertainment value!

ETA: I am working of of legal knowledge for the state of california only, so your state may vary. :P

[EasyPeas]

Originally Posted by Synesthetic

Acutally, a deposition becomes public record as soon as it is filed with the court. This filing (usually) is done as soon as both parties have signed off on the final version.

While this filing isn't done in every state every time, it is customary except in cases in which it is sealed by the court (which is rare).

I know nothing about legal stuff.... but for those of you in the know....

Would a judge be less likely to seal a deposition in a class action suit...?

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by WildAngel6

Thank you for these links, Bama! I'm definitely going to include those in the emails to the television stations.

Maybe someone who has a MySpace page can also post the link to Bama's or Medusa's page about the picture? That would certainly be another avenue to get the word out.

As you can see, I've already added a link to my signature here.

I've also emailed a couple of friends in the low carb realm to see if we can enlist some of their help too. (Keeping fingers crossed.) The more places we ask this question, the more likely we are to find an answer. So, ask on any of the other bulletin boards you are on, or any other mailing lists you subscribe to, especially those outside the low carb world.

LCF found the sources for the other pictures, we surely can find one more!

You know, 4 months ago I would say how could these people possibly find someone's picture, with gazillions of pictures on the internet. Then you blew my mind finding the Russian brides. Now I believe you all can do *anything*. Why, I almost believe in Santa again.

... er, by the way Santa, for Christmas I want ... awh, never mind.

[eggonmyface]

Originally Posted by Synesthetic

Poking my head in--

Not sure if someone has already answered this (sorry for the repeat if so), but it was asked if Heidi's attny attended the deposition and if it was available to read--

Her attorney would have definitely attended. I've never heard of a depo in a civil case given without attorney present. And though those transcripts are public record, it won't be easy to find them. That said, you guys can find anything, so I fully expect to read it soon.

ETA: keep in mind also that it takes a good while for the deposition to be finalized and actually put into record. Let's say it was taken on a Tuesday. Well, it would be another couple of weeks before the court reporter sends it back. At that point each party has to read through the rough draft, and make any corrections in spelling or whatnot, and send back the errata
sheets. Once the errata sheet corrections are incorporated only then is it really done and a final copy sent to the parties. It's an irritatingly slow

process.

Thanks for reminding me but didn't the TV station say they had retrieved copy of the depo? Maybe someone could ask the Public Relations Office at the television station how they did that

[Synesthetic]

Originally Posted by EasyPeas

I know nothing about legal stuff.... but for those of you in the know....

Would a judge be less likely to seal a deposition in a class action suit...?

I think that's probably right. Sealing of a depo is super rare and I don't see that being too likely in this case.

Oh and Just4Me, I didn't mean to sound like I was being all snitty. In fact you're right that its use as a piece of evidence is a determining factor; I was just clarifying that something can be filed and used in evidence outside of trial, and is in fact routinely so.

Kick me in the shins immediately if I sound like a dink.

[Synesthetic]

Originally Posted by eggonmyface

Thanks for reminding me but did TV station say they had retrieved copy? Maybe someone could ask the Public Relations Office how they did that

They might have a non-certified rough draft. Not legally final, but sure as heck interesting.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by MollyBrown

This has probably been brought up before...but the difference between Tippy and Christin, Deni, and Becky is that by the time Tippy joined up with Heidi, the evidence of wrongdoing had

Tippy knew what Kimmer was when she teamed up. sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Yes, it has been brought up repeatedly, and bears repeating as long as there is even one person who thinks TT is deserving of any sympathy or that we should welcome her back if she joins the lawsuit and repents. TT went into it with her eyes wide open. She knew what had gone before, and out of whatever motivation, she stepped into a steaming pile of ....... you-know-what. If you play with snakes, it makes you a snake, too and TT will never be innocent in my eyes.

Originally Posted by BamaGal

even though disability will be cut off---a former recipient is still eligible for medicare for 8 more years....

Does this apply even when fraud has been proven. You are not allowed to collect disability if you have a job earning the income she has been making.

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

I think the apologizing was for how Amy was feeling. There's a lot of respect for her and I think it came from that. But, I don't know how it was expected to go any differently considering what TT has done. Taking her on you'd have to realize that people would speak out and be upset and want answers. It's a given.

Exactly! I was reacting to Amy's post describing how it affected her membership. However, upon reflection of it, that was the kindest thing anyone could have done for Amy's membership. It hurts to lance a boil, but that's the only way it will heal. To let TT stay there undetected and spread her venom would have completely destroyed that small board. I do appreciate Amy accepting responsibility for what happened. TT should have been booted the microsecond she admitted who she was.

Originally Posted by Carolina Rose

Kimmer = once a liar, always a liar, so it seems.

That's just about the size of it!

Originally Posted by MissMerize

I have done NOTHING on the main kimkins site to get banned. I never spoke ill of the program on the site. Any remarks have been made outside of Kimkins. Someone has put the links together.

Welcome to a very large and growing club!

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

Glad you recanted

Thank you for recognizing that I did recant. No one else mentioned it.

Originally Posted by WildAngel6

And TippyToes (Jeannie B.) is still a featured success story too.

Yes, but didn't she sign a modeling contract?

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

well you know how she loves the dating sites......

Yes, and what was it she said on Classmates.com? "A few extra pounds??

[EasyPeas]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Yes, but didn't she ( TT) sign a modeling contract?

If nothing else, TT will now know what Christin and Deni have been feeling like all these months.... having her weight loss success story used by Heidi to sell her diet and make money.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by EasyPeas

If nothing else, TT will now know what Christin and Deni have been feeling like all these months.... having her weight loss success story used by Heidi to sell her diet and make money.

I was just cracking a joke about TT's snide comment to Christin on the Mike and Juliet Show when the topic came up. Obviously, TT and Heidi had already discussed Christin's request to have the pictures removed, and Heidi was taking the hardass approach to it because a contract was involved. I'd doubt very seriously that TT ever signed anything authorizing the use of her pictures. She is so needy of attention and admiration, I am sure she jumped at the chance to get her "story" published, no strings attached.

[JessieBear]

There are no images captured, but the InternetArchive snapshots content on every website on the net. (It was a college project from a group at MIT)

Linky: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://kimkins.com

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Yes, but didn't she sign a modeling contract?

That would truly serve her right if she doesn't want her picture there and that's thrown in her face.

Originally Posted by EasyPeas

If nothing else, TT will now know what Christin and Deni have been feeling like all these months.... having her weight loss success story used by Heidi to sell her diet and make money.

Well, she said at Amy's that she still believes in the diet. And it's my guess that she likes the attention her pic there gives.

[Just4Me]

Originally Posted by Synesthetic

Acutally, a deposition becomes public record as soon as it is filed with the court. This filing (usually) is done as soon as both parties have signed off on the final version.

While this filing isn't done in every state every time, it is customary except in cases in which it is sealed by the court (which is rare). The filing is really what determines if something is public record. Most civil cases settle without trial.

Though I'm sure we would all like to see a trial in this case, just for the entertainment value!

ETA: I am working of of legal knowledge for the state of california only, so your state may vary. :P

Ahh, okay, gotcha

PS: no "snitt" assumed or inferred! lol

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

I was just cracking a joke about TT's snide comment to Christin on the Mike and Juliet Show when the topic came up. Obviously, TT and Heidi had already discussed Christin's request to have the pictures removed, and Heidi was taking the hardass approach to it because a contract was involved. I'd doubt very seriously that TT ever signed anything authorizing the use of her pictures. She is so needy of attention and admiration, I am sure she jumped at the chance to get her "story" published, no strings attached.

It would be fun though if she signed a release and wants to take it back. Karma. heh.
I also love how Heidi and TT bring up the contract as to their right to keep the pictures up when most of the KK members contracts with the site weren't honored but they're alright with that.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Just4Me

As far as I know, this is incorrect. A deposition is not public record until at trial it's been entered into evidence. If so, it won't be available to for us (public) to read until/unless there's a trial and Jeanessa et al. enter it into evidence.

According to the procedures of California law. The deposition is transcribed by a court reporter and put into the court file documents, the same as all other documents that are on file at the Riverside court house. Those are all public record and there has been no trial (ie. demurrer, summons, proof of summons etc..). Once both sides attorneys have reviewed the document it is my understanding that it would be put on file, which means scanned into the court case record that is already public record. I will attempt to find a source if I can find the time, as a link reference.


ETA- I see others have discussed already- I also wanted to add that since the deposition video was aired on KTLA it would also infer that it was public record or KTLA would be violating some law...can't recall which one.... by releasing the plaintiffs (Heidi's) statement.

[WildAngel6]

Well, it's official!

As of 12/2, Heidi only lost 1 lb. this past week. So her medication is allegedly slowing her weight loss in week 6.

Brian only lost 2 lbs. and Heather lost 4 lbs. (although someone needs to tell them (oh, maybe I just did?) this should be week 5 for Heather, not week 4). I don't think you get to repeat a week, do you??

You'd really think they would update the photos at least monthly if they are going to call them "current". Although, it appears that Brian's picture has changed, hasn't it? Weren't his pictures different before?

And why link to the profiles and the journals from the front page if you aren't going to let us access them?? Sheesh. That's SO rude!

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by WildAngel6

Well, it's official!

As of 12/2, Heidi only lost 1 lb. this past week. So her medication is allegedly slowing her weight loss in week 6.

Yeah, right. She doesn't believe in stalls or plateaus, so of course she would have to come up with an excuse to explain it. It flies in the face of her posts to people who have gone through the same thing. Then again, even she can't boast of huge losses every single week. Sooner or later, stretching that picture in photoshop will make her look nine feet tall.

[Cutie]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Yeah, right. She doesn't believe in stalls or plateaus, so of course she would have to come up with an excuse to explain it. It flies in the face of her posts to people who have gone through the same thing. Then again, even she can't boast of huge losses every single week. Sooner or later, stretching that picture in photoshop will make her look nine feet tall.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Synesthetic

They might have a non-certified rough draft. Not legally final, but sure as heck interesting.

Ok, help me remember here...LOL. But if the deposition in video or transcribed form was not yet available to the public KTLA would have been violating the court proceedings by releasing the plaintiffs statements (Heidi's) in KTLA's latest aired report. What is that violation termed?