Why the fascination with Kimmer? #10

[ketosis]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

So as long as I agree with bringing Kimmer down then I'm welcome right?

Sorry for feeding the troll everyone.

[Princess Dieter]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

There are more than two young ladies who have lost a great deal of weight on Kimkins and are now speaking out on health issues. I believe there are 130+ at this point and those stories can be found at Kimkins Survivors


You may have not meant any harm, but the phrasing of your question makes it appear as those ladies are in the wrong for speaking out just because they lost weight on the kimkins plan.

Well said, HB. I also noticed a particularly tone there that made me bristle and post after merely lurking for a few weeks after being a chatty Kathy here.

I started blogging about Kimkins because I saw the utter greed and disregard from Kimmer/Heidi, and the hurt that this was causing numerous dieter. I sympathized with those harmed. Yes, I could have lectured them on being careful and reading up on stuff and researching it all. But as a morbidly obese woman, I know that when desperation rears, one can hope a little too hard. I didn't do Kimkins, but I did once go to the site and WAS TEMPTED. I decided not to when I researched it, but I totally get why some simply said, "Why not? I've tried all else."

Instead of judging the victims, I choose to judge the perpetrator, who committed fraud in numerous ways, who continues to lie, who has overseen a cover-up and "clean-up" of her bad advice, who made herself Lord of the Manor, who said, "I did it with no bad health effects, and so can you." Lying. Who fostered a cultish environment where you were berated if you didn't follow her advice to cut cut cut cut calories and fat (entering that danger zone that Deni has spoken of quite a bit of ultra-lean-low-carb) until you basically were subsisting on seriously defiicent starvation dieting. All the while saying, "Hey, many people did it with no ill effects. REad the success stories." THE FAKE SUCCESS STORIES.

So, no. I think it's necessary to make a fuss, or no one pays attention. The only reason it got on television (local and national) is cause people made a stink. And if those shows helped someone: It's worth it. If the anti-Kimkins blog sent survivors to places for support and better medical and diet advice: It's worth it.

And to all the ladies and gents here and on blogs who outed that Scam Monster, good job.

I did my very small part, nothing compared to what Jeanessa and HoneyBee and Missi and Christin and Deni and Ducky and etc have done. But if many do a small part, it adds up. It warns people on Google, on Technorati, across the information highway. AND THAT...that is what it's about. Keeping the danger signs up as the truth finishes emerging.

And if you want folks to blithely agree with you, Baby Phat, start a thread on "Why Kimkins BAd Mouthers Should Shut Up" and you will find company. But whether this thread is 1 folder or 15, what does it matter? You're not paying the bill for storage of the files. Why does it matter, the length? Why does it bother you?

[ketosis]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

So because I asked her to put all of her information into a book (almost three years ago) I'm responsible for her starting a website and people following her advice without doing their own research? Ha

Well if I'm responsible for this whole debacle then so be it. Sue me.

I suspect we are

So it is ok for you to cry and moan about being ganged up on but you can push as much as you like?
Wow.

Well bless your heart dear.

[EasyPeas]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

Another thing, did I ONCE say I supported how she handled everything?

See what I'm talking about when I say people on this site gang up on people and have the lynch mob mentality?

"Handle everything".... hmmm. Interesting words there. Well, to use your terminology, she "handled everything" in such a way to commit fraud. And it's not okay. My opinion.

And as far as ganging up on people... I would say it isn't that people are ganging up, they simply disagree with some of your statements and are saying so.

[CJane]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

So as long as I agree with bringing Kimmer down then I'm welcome right?

No, as long as you understand that is what is going to happen because she is a lying liar that lies. You don't have to like it a bit, and you don't have to agree, but we won't be thwarted in our efforts to bring her to justice.

The eating plan is no good, and neither is the founder. Period.

I in no way resemble a member of a lynch mob any more than I resemble a terrorist. I am offended to be referred to as such.

There is such a thing as justice, and we intend to get some for all of those good people duped into following a now known liar. No, you don't ever have to agree.

[eggonmyface]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

I want to say one more thing...

One of the reasons I stopped coming to this site is because people who post on here gang up on anyone who says something against what they believe in. So I'm ready go ahead and gang up on me because I spoke my mind.

Hi Baby Phat,
First let me say that I am a fan of Kimora Simmons, so I like the name you have chosen. There is something about your posts and your attitude that reminds me of myself, say until 2004 when I decided to let God have a crack at helping me take off the weight. Yes I was 270 lbs and I am short. Okay, back to my point. Back in those days, I rejoiced when other people lost weight and then gained it back, or even worst when reports came out claiming that the diet woe was found harmful.

For example, Fen/Phen, Atkins, Stillman or even the liquid diets. You see Phat, as a bright woman I thought that some of us unlucky folks should just shut up and just be "happy" fat folks, it was what God has chosen for us! I was of course, well trained in my profession, lived a comfortable life and oh yes, a secret hater.

The young ladies in question are doing everything right. Yes, they look beautiful, but they have/are suffering. I am overjoyed that their weight came off at such an early age so that their lives won't be bitter--not like the person I was.

Kimmer is wrong. I never used her diet plan but I did use her as a model for no exercise. The results for me will be a long stay in Brazil with a great plastic surgeon. Even with all of that, I have regained my joy back and bitterness does not know my name. I'm a team player and I like the people at this forum, always loving and always there for me.

I hope you will join us more often and find the help you need to take off your pounds. We are good people and we are also united people.

[WOOFY]

OK, Baby Phat brings up a valid point, but you know what, I have no pretentions, I'm here to vent and I will step up and admit that I want that *%@!% Heidi Diaz to fall and fall hard! Ain't no shame in that. Yes, maybe I was stupid because I put my trust in this mess of a woman, but hey, I am human just as Heidi is, and my desire for her to be punished, whether it be through our efforts to stall her "business" or through the courts, is just as equal as her willingness to deceive. Heidi Diaz must FALL!

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

Rapid weight loss causes all of the problems that everyone suffered on the Kimkins diet.

Not in my opinion. The problems arose, due to the fact, that the rapid weight loss was accomplished with a diet that was not written to adequately provide the minerals and macronutrients needed for the human body to maintain all its functions, the founder promoted laxative abuse, the plan stated to count fiber as a carb-resulting in a lack of fiber causing bowel issues, and the promotion of cutting calories leading to anorexia type eating habits.
-The plan states that nothing else is needed but a daily multi-vitamin on the web page under the section of "considering kimkins".
A multi-vitamin added to the plan does not come close and that is why many members had the side-effects listed.
-Then also the promoted laxative abuse added to the electrolyte problems as well as added to the risks of promoting anorexia.
-The plan states that fiber must be counted as part of the total carbs which sets one up as fiber deficient and not able to use the fiber pills needed to stay under the 20 carb limit. This set-up members for bowel issues and many reports of diverticulitis.
-kimmer's promotion and advice to cut calories when one would stall, which by kimkins standards no weight loss for 3 or 7 days. There is only so low one can go and Kimmer would say cut out the cream in your coffee to someone on 600 calories a day.
Those would be the causes for most of the problems that members were having from the diet plan, not just the rapid weight loss.

[Leashy]

I didn't think this thread was a debate about who's at fault?

Is it really bothering you that much, baby, that there's 10 threads about this 'whole kimmer mess'? I don't get why you're here actually.

[Princess Dieter]

Originally Posted by WOOFY

OK, Baby Phat brings up a valid point, but you know what, I have no pretentions, I'm here to vent and I will step up and admit that I want that *%@!% Heidi Diaz to fall and fall hard! Ain't no shame in that. Yes, maybe I was stupid because I put my trust in this mess of a woman, but hey, I am human just as Heidi is, and my desire for her to be punished, whether it be through our efforts to stall her "business" or through the courts, is just as equal as her willingness to deceive.

And let's not forget that all those Russian brides were located and those success stories were invalidated BY LADIES RIGHT HERE.

The lawsuit was initiated by an LCF-er, from right here.

The information used as evidence in the legal papers was compiled by people RIGHT HERE.

Venting is part of the threads' existence, but it's also been a fact-finding and corrective and cooperative venture. Not a witch hunt. A discovery process. And several people have posted how their eyes were opened about Kimkins from READING THESE THREADS.

And continuing bad medical advice has been outed here--causing changes to be made THERE, thereby acting as a sort of public service even to current Kimkins members who remained at the site. Why do you think the PR person continues to tweak the diet to make it seem healthier? Oh, yeah. She saw criticisms HERE and implemented the changes recommended in this thread THERE.

It's like a continual medicinal application to Kimkins, this thread. Now, they tout eating more veggies, more calcium, not abusing laxatives, eating more calories, etc. (It may be only surface, but at least it means there's less crap advice over there.)

So, venting aside, it has served a very useful purpose. Easy for the ones who did squat to criticize, I think.

And I"m with Woofy (hugs, baby): HEIDI DIAZ MUST FALL.

[WOOFY]

My God, if it wasn't for this site, I'd be like tippy dork over there!!! So thank you everyone on here.......

[Katinsac]

ITA, Princess

[kakay]

CJane, you said it just right. No one drug babyphat to this thread just like she said no one held a gun to people's heads and made them do kk. I don't get it! What do people expect when they come to this thread? The thread is here to expose the fraud and scam artist, KIMMER. Yes, every one is intititled to their opinion. Like it has been said babyphat, don't expect not to get some replies to your comments. These ladies here have spent some long hard sleepless nights working on research to expose kimmer. I don't think its very funny to say , Well it's their own fault that they didn't do some research. Well, for one thing, when kk first began there was not much to research. Just a picture of a beautiful thin woman in a red dress saying that she lost 198 lbs in x number of months and kept it off over 5 years. It took innocent ladies who were so desperate to lose weight and become healthy to get that research out there, and to tell how they damaged their health to get thin. They are here to warn the world not to fall into kimmer's trap like they did. You can say that you are sorry for their health problems but are you really? It don't sound to me like you are. Well it's their own fault. PFTT! They had to find out in a very hard way. So go ahead and ridicule them for all their hard work, they will continue on any way. Every one is welcome here and intitled to their own opinion. I AM SO PROUD OF ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK THAT YOU HAVE DONE TO EXPOSE THIS SCAM ARTIST. I admire Christian and Deni for going on Tv to tell of how they were misled and fell into a scam artist trap of deciet. They don't want any ones pity, they truly care about the health of others. Of I am done ranting. I don't say much on this thread but babyphat's comments just rubbed me the wrong way.

Have a good night all.

[Baby PHAT]

Originally Posted by Princess Dieter

Well said, HB. I also noticed a particularly tone there that made me bristle and post after merely lurking for a few weeks after being a chatty Kathy here.

I started blogging about Kimkins because I saw the utter greed and disregard from Kimmer/Heidi, and the hurt that this was causing numerous dieter. I sympathized with those harmed. Yes, I could have lectured them on being careful and reading up on stuff and researching it all. But as a morbidly obese woman, I know that when desperation rears, one can hope a little too hard. I didn't do Kimkins, but I did once go to the site and WAS TEMPTED. I decided not to when I researched it, but I totally get why some simply said, "Why not? I've tried all else."

Instead of judging the victims, I choose to judge the perpetrator, who committed fraud in numerous ways, who continues to lie, who has overseen a cover-up and "clean-up" of her bad advice, who made herself Lord of the Manor, who said, "I did it with no bad health effects, and so can you." Lying. Who fostered a cultish environment where you were berated if you didn't follow her advice to cut cut cut cut calories and fat (entering that danger zone that Deni has spoken of quite a bit of ultra-lean-low-carb) until you basically were subsisting on seriously defiicent starvation dieting. All the while saying, "Hey, many people did it with no ill effects. REad the success stories." THE FAKE SUCCESS STORIES.

So, no. I think it's necessary to make a fuss, or no one pays attention. The only reason it got on television (local and national) is cause people made a stink. And if those shows helped someone: It's worth it. If the anti-Kimkins blog sent survivors to places for support and better medical and diet advice: It's worth it.

And to all the ladies and gents here and on blogs who outed that Scam Monster, good job.

I did my very small part, nothing compared to what Jeanessa and HoneyBee and Missi and Christin and Deni and Ducky and etc have done. But if many do a small part, it adds up. It warns people on Google, on Technorati, across the information highway. AND THAT...that is what it's about. Keeping the danger signs up as the truth finishes emerging.

And if you want folks to blithely agree with you, Baby Phat, start a thread on "Why Kimkins BAd Mouthers Should Shut Up" and you will find company. But whether this thread is 1 folder or 15, what does it matter? You're not paying the bill for storage of the files. Why does it matter, the length? Why does it bother you?

What bothers me is the lynch mob mentality and the juvenile way that this is being handled.

[Baby PHAT]

Originally Posted by ketosis

I suspect we are

So it is ok for you to cry and moan about being ganged up on but you can push as much as you like?
Wow.

Well bless your heart dear.

I'm not crying nor moaning. I'm stating a FACT.

[ketosis]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

I'm not crying nor moaning. I'm stating a FACT.

Yet when anyone else states a fact they are ganging up and it is a lynch mob?

[WOOFY]

Baby Phat, what do you expect? Honestly.....

[Baby PHAT]

Originally Posted by ketosis

Yet when anyone else states a fact they are ganging up and it is a lynch mob?

Nope you are telling me to stay out of the thread because I don't agree with the way the problem is being handled.

[EasyPeas]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

What bothers me is the lynch mob mentality and the juvenile way that this is being handled.

You're opinion is that it's a lynch mob mentality and being handled in a juvenile way. Okay. Your opinion. Got it. Uh, I have a different opinion. I think the matter's being handled just fine. Like I said, my opinion. Deal with it.

[CJane]

"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."

Goodnight, all! Early day tomorrow.

[ketosis]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

What bothers me is the lynch mob mentality and the juvenile way that this is being handled.

I think you have made that pretty clear. So why keep posting here then?

[ketosis]

Originally Posted by CJane

"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."

Goodnight, all! Early day tomorrow.

Night!

[Baby PHAT]

Originally Posted by WOOFY

Baby Phat, what do you expect? Honestly.....

I expected exactly what happened.

[Baby PHAT]

Originally Posted by ketosis

I think you have made that pretty clear. So why keep posting here then?

Because last time I checked I have the right to speak as I please.

And obviously I haven't made my point clear because you are all ready to hang me on the next tree.

[WOOFY]

Then why act surprised? Maybe we don't want to feel