Why the fascination with Kimmer? #10

[ketosis]

Originally Posted by CJane

Comparing Dr. Atkins and Heidi Diaz is like comparing apples and rutabagas, Baby PHAT.

There is more to this than "let the buyer beware."

Amen.

[Baby PHAT]

Originally Posted by ketosis

Babyphat welcome to the Fascination with Kimmer thread or should I say volume #10. I am not sure if you realize the extent of the deliberate fraud perpetrated by Heidi Diaz/Kimmer, the length of time she spun her web, the amount of money she bilked out of desperate folks who wanted to lose weight just like her adn the contempt she treated those folks with.

A lot of people here and all over the world were deceived by her brazen fraudulent scam. These 10 threads are a combination of discoveries by everyone who pitched in to research her identity, past, whereabouts, lies lies lies and more lies among other things and an outpouring of anger, disbelief, betrayal and healing.

It may sound like a witchunt to you and you are entitled to your opinion. But for almost all of us who regularly contribute and the thousands of LCF members who read the threads it is a combination of a wake up call as to how easily we can be manipulated on the internet and a healing process.

Have a read up on the fake weight loss she claimed, the before and after pictures of herself she right clicked and saved from Russian mail order bride websites, the money attempted to be raised for her non existant foster kids (she lost her last foster children years ago after allowing them to drink alcohol under her supervision) her shyness at being photographed while berating someone for having a teaspoon of cream in their coffee, the manipulations of facts, (did I mention the lies?) and dozens of actions I have forgotten.

Yes if you starve yourself you lose weight. And to overweight people like myself, like we all once were or perhaps are (because otherwise why would we be on this site?) to perpetuate a total fraud and counsel others to follow your shining example with no nutritional or medical backing, to dispute doctors, trained experts and common sense and use your power and multiple identities to push is a crime. She preys on people like us who are desperate to lose the weight and who will take risks to do so.

Yes everyone who joined and did or didnt put food into their own mouths out of their own free will. But that doesn't excuse a criminal act or a morally and ethically wrong set of circumstances.

I post here because I am angry and I am showing my support to the ladies who took it upon themselves to try to shut this charlatan down so no one else goes through the problems they did and so the con artist that uses a few dozen names and has poisoned every one whose path she crosses doesn't profit any more from her scam.

Again the thread is titled what is the fascination with Kimmer. And we obviously have a lot of it or it wouldnt be this long. I predict by the time the dust settles and the scope of her evil empire is unveiled it will be 20 threads long.

Calling it a witchunt demeans our efforts and invalidates our feelings. Again you are entitle to agree or disagree and your opinion is welcome. But I suggest you do a fast recap of all of her actions to date before you suggest that because we took a course of action willingly that we believed was genuine that Heidi Diaz should be left alone.

If Heidi does her own plan and loses the weight for real with open honest documentation then great. If her plan works and she can keep it off and no one will get sick or lied to then that is a great end right? Do you think any of that would have started if it weren't for this thread? They are already backtracking and cleaning up the advice to be marginally more healthy and that is a small bit of positive afloat in a cesspool of scum. But it is progress. Yes her site will get more attention but if we stop shining a light on it how long before she goes back to her old style?

I guess I will take my chances that maybe while we are helping some we are sending others her way. But to do nothing in my opinion is not an option. But I just like that. I don't like to watch someone do something so very wrong and not try to do what is in my power to stop it or prevent it. We each have our own decisions to make in that regard. I like to live with myself.

I will stop now as I am trying to be logical not emotional. Make a pot of tea and read some of the highlights of the saga and come back and chat ok?

People are sheep, jump on the bandwagon, follow the leader and so on. I get it.

Couldn't one Kimgate sticky with the full story to warn people suffice?

[CJane]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

People are sheep, jump on the bandwagon, follow the leader and so on. I get it.

Couldn't one Kimgate sticky with the full story to warn people suffice?

If the fact that there is more than one thread about the Kimkins/Heidi Diaz situation bothers anyone they are free not to read the threads.

There is very important information here for those in search of the truth.

No, one sticky would not suffice.

[Baby PHAT]

Originally Posted by ketosis

Way more than they should have and every single day. The self flagellation for following her advice is nothing compared to the regret expressed by those who encouraged others to follow it.

And I am not an expert on this issue by far.

Again read up on the facts. Don't take my word. I am one person. Read from the start and see the scope of opinions.

Okay well that's great. That's all I wanted to know.

I don't plan on spending any more time reading every single post, I watched the vids, read some blogs.

I mean I love a great drama but this is getting to be an obsession kinda like Lonelygirl15. We should play and ARG to go along with this. People are analyzing photos and videos, he** lets make a website called KIMGATE.com and do it the right way. Okay I'm being sarcastic, sorry.

Like I said I feel for people who's health has suffered from this, and I do not make light of that at all.

I've said my peace and I hope I haven't offended anyone. I just think this is really going above and beyond the call of duty. And I never said leave her alone I just think that it's unnecessary to have a whole section just for this whole Kimmer mess.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

Okay
I realize that the ladies in question have specific problems with Kimmer. And by them telling their story to keep people from falling into the same trap is great.
I agree it is a great aid in stopping others from being harmed by kimmer.

But Kimmer didn't hold a gun to their head and make them do the program. They chose to do it and for them to not do any research into rapid weight loss is their own fault.
The research came for many after, one paying for the membership, since you don't know the plan prior to paying. It is touted as a low carb plan and many have researched those prior to kimkins. Then the diet itself is not clearly labeled as lowcarb and you are instructed to listen to your body. Well, that sounds like good advice because one would believe that if they were hungry one would eat and maybe the reason they are overweight is because they never listened to their bodies real needs. It is a slippery slope when you factor in how the ketosis takes away the appetite then the lack of fat in the diet plan as written makes the diet calories too low to support the bodies basic needs. So no gun was needed to feel that they were doing the right thing when listening to their body. The main problem is that the body was starving and the warning signs of nausea where touted as a good sign that the dieter was in "true ketosis".
The other problem was that those women along with others trusted Kimmer when she stated she had done the exact diet safely and maintained the weight with no ill effects. So, yes, trusting Kimmer was a fault many members had. But then you have Kimmer who is lying, committing fraud, stealing images to post as false success stories and belittling members who didn't lose weight fast enough by telling them that they must be cheating or that they needed to go lower in calories and selling a diet that is completely nutritionally deficient.
So exactly who is demonstrating the greater responsibility of fault here?
I think Kimmer is and that is why she is being the one under scrutiny and not the members who speak out. And oddly enough at least one California judge agrees or there wouldn't be a pending class action lawsuit.
Kimmer is at fault as well, I'm in no way excusing her. But is all of the threads and ganging up on her really necessary?
Yes they are needed, because as we speak she is still at Kimkins posting fake, manipulated photos of herself at kimkins and selling memberships based on yet another lie of a success story.

Do you guys realize that the more hits she gets on her site the more money she gets? Everyone is giving her more and more publicity. So now that it has been revealed that she is over 300 pounds and if she loses the weight do you realize the kind of publicity she will get? She will get even more people to join her site.
More about the hits on her site below, but if she loses her weight from 300 pounds to the 118 pounds and does it safely then more power to her. But I am betting that it never happens, because if it could then why didn't she use the plan she has lied about using for the past 6 years instead of posting a picture of a Russian mail order bride named Lesya?
So I feel this, in the long run, will not sabotage her but in essence make her even more money.
If your concern is that Kimmer is going to make more money in the long run maybe it will help you to know that we are doing all we can to stop that from happening. And here is how....
Voicing the side-effects from the diet and also the scam that Heidi used to reel many members in with her fraudulent claims. You can't expose a problem without discussing it.
Kimmer is a master at internet marketing and has numerous blogs, ad-articles and fake reviews that turn up on a google hit. In order to offer the truth against all her hype the threads here along with with the many antikimkins blogs and media links are necessary. This is the only way to be able to get the negatives, which are the truths, listed when one does a google search on kimkins.
Many people still do not know the full story and would fall into the same trap that the other members fell into while believing Kimmer if they only find Kimmer's ads on an internet search.
The internet opens this diet up to the entire world. Gone are the days when in a small town, if you want something to die down you ignore it, and don't talk about it. That worked then because everyone in town knew the truth! There weren't potentially thousands of new victims moving into that town daily that could be taken advantage of by the scamming salesman. That is why the salesman kept moving. Kimmer doesn't have to move with the internet able to deliver her new members daily.
So times have changed and silence to avoid added attention just doesn't work anymore.

My response in red to BabyPHAT's quoted comments in black-

[buzzybee]

Originally Posted by CJane

Comparing Dr. Atkins and Heidi Diaz is like comparing apples and rutabagas, Baby PHAT.

There is more to this than "let the buyer beware."

[ketosis]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

Okay well that's great. That's all I wanted to know.

I don't plan on spending any more time reading every single post, I watched the vids, read some blogs.

I mean I love a great drama but this is getting to be an obsession kinda like Lonelygirl15. We should play and ARG to go along with this. People are analyzing photos and videos, he** lets make a website called KIMGATE.com and do it the right way. Okay I'm being sarcastic, sorry.

Like I said I feel for people who's health has suffered from this, and I do not make light of that at all.

I've said my peace and I hope I haven't offended anyone. I just think this is really going above and beyond the call of duty. And I never said leave her alone I just think that it's unnecessary to have a whole section just for this whole Kimmer mess.

The fact that it exists speaks to the people who have a different opinion.

I am not looking for an argument or drama. So I will say good night. Good luck with your weight loss.

[Baby PHAT]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

My response in red to BabyPHAT's quoted comments in black-

I realize people can be vunerable when it comes to the internet. It happens all the time. People want something for nothing.

Kimmer or Heidi or whatever, is a snack oil salesman. She pulled one of the oldest scams known to man.

No one likes to be scammed and this scam affected their health which is unfortunate.

As I sit here and type this I realize that I am vunerable to all of the same things. I have tried all my life to do this diet and that diet, when in reality the easiest way to lose weight is exercise and healthy eating and doing everything in moderation.

There is no magic pill or magic weight loss program that people can follow and lose weight overnight.

I hope that along with your efforts to bury kimmer you also educate people on how to lose weight the proper way.

[Baby PHAT]

Originally Posted by ketosis

The fact that it exists speaks to the people who have a different opinion.

I am not looking for an argument or drama. So I will say good night. Good luck with your weight loss.

Good nite to you as well and I appreciate the well wishings.

[ketosis]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

There is no magic pill or magic weight loss program that people can follow and lose weight overnight.

I hope that along with your efforts to bury kimmer you also educate people on how to lose weight the proper way.

That is what this board is about and it does that very well.

[ketosis]

Honeybee do you ever sleep hon?

[EasyPeas]

BabyPhAT...

The depth of fraud committed by Heidi Diaz in masterminding Kimkins is extensive and calculated, and anything that helps bring the story out into the open is wonderful.

I joined Kimkins back in May. I paid $44.95 through Paypal. I honestly believed the beautiful, vibrant woman pictured on the home page had lost 198 lbs in 11 months and had maintained the weight loss for 5 years as claimed. I also believed the wonderful success stories on the website, all accompanied by photos, were true. I had no idea that the founder of the website was actually a morbidly obese dysfunctional recluse who was on social security disability for so-called mental illness, and who had a history of previous scams. I also had no idea she had raked in over a million dollars without leaving her apartment by her slick, catchy Kimkins website using fictitious stories and stolen photos (including her own so-called "success story").

Obviously, had I known these things, I would not have paid money to join. And because I now know these things, I am one of many who have sent an Affidavit to John Tiedt joining the class-action lawsuit. To me, the issue isn't whether the diet works or doesn't.... or is safe or isn't; even doctors are unable to agree on what constitutes a "good diet." Neither is the issue the money I paid to Kimkins; for me it's merely pocket-change as my husband and I are financially secure.

To me, the issue is that Heidi Diaz lied. Not just little lies here or there. But lies of gigantic proportions, many of them, cleverly and purposefully woven together, over months and months, all designed to bilk chubby people like me out of money.

In simple terms, Heidi Diaz committed fraud. And it's not okay. You may disagree... as is your right.

[ketosis]

KIMMER have you ever thought to write a book?

Now baby phat isn't that an interesting thread I found?

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

Tigger I'm not thin skinned. I can take it.

Everyone should be able to speak their mind.

But please keep in mind your own involvement in this fiasco.

Not to gang up on you. I just wanted to show you how easily she led so many astray.

Do you take responsibility for perhaps causing her to start the website?

Honestly, I am not picking but before you judge you should learn a bit about the facts. And I do sincerely hope you are more successful this go around.

[CJane]

Originally Posted by ketosis

KIMMER have you ever thought to write a book?

Now baby phat isn't that an interesting thread I found?

Ketosis, that doesn't surprise me in the least.

[ketosis]

Originally Posted by CJane

Ketosis, that doesn't surprise me in the least.

Awwwwww

[CJane]

Originally Posted by ketosis

Awwwwww

(Only because I looked, too! LOL)

[ketosis]

Is it Super hero night and no one told me?

[Baby PHAT]

Originally Posted by ketosis

KIMMER have you ever thought to write a book?

Now baby phat isn't that an interesting thread I found?



Not to gang up on you. I just wanted to show you how easily she led so many astray.

Do you take responsibility for perhaps causing her to start the website?

Honestly, I am not picking but before you judge you should learn a bit about the facts. And I do sincerely hope you are more successful this go around.

I never said people can't be led astray and in my first post I said I considered the kimkins program. But I did my research as well in rapid weight loss.

[CJane]

Originally Posted by ketosis

Is it Super hero night and no one told me?

Must be. No one filled me in, either.

[CJane]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

I never said people can't be led astray and in my first post I said I considered the kimkins program. But I did my research as well in rapid weight loss.

So, you know rapid weight loss is not the best idea for the vast, vast majority of people?

I've done rapid weight loss before (very low fat, very low cal) and lemme tell ya, it doesn't last and it has devastating, potentially life-threatening repercussions.

[Baby PHAT]

Another thing, did I ONCE say I supported how she handled everything?

See what I'm talking about when I say people on this site gang up on people and have the lynch mob mentality?

[ketosis]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

Another thing, did I ONCE say I supported how she handled everything?

See what I'm talking about when I say people on this site gang up on people and have the lynch mob mentality?

Aw bless your heart hon, I was just showing you how clever and devious she is. I really do wish you good luck. But if you come in here asking those questions bout personal responsibility you have to be able to answer them too right?

[Baby PHAT]

Originally Posted by CJane

So, you know rapid weight loss is not the best idea for the vast, vast majority of people?

I've done rapid weight loss before (very low fat, very low cal) and lemme tell ya, it doesn't last and it has devastating, potentially life-threatening repercussions.

Rapid weight loss causes all of the problems that everyone suffered on the Kimkins diet.

[Princess Dieter]

[quote=Baby PHAT;9525864]
So even with the pros and cons of this Kimkins program, is it really necessary to continue to engage in "bad mouthing" this woman? She will get her just desserts in the end.
QUOTE]


Yes. It is necessary. Because the lies are still being promoted, propagated, and covered-up. There would be no lawsuit and no anti-Kimkins publicity if the "bad mouthers" hadn't gotten on the case. You gotta raise a stink to counter a bigger one. The fact that there MAY be justice done is due to the so-called "bad mouthers" you are criticizing.

So, yeah. The word needs to continue to get out. Her lies need to continue to be exposed. The old and the new. Because on the internet, the pro-Kimkins crap continues to be duplicated without a countering voice if everyone shuts up.

And, I would respectfully say, if someone doesn't like the chatter in here, one need not drop in here to read it. It's like turning the channel. Find another program.

The Princess