Why the fascination with Kimmer? #10

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by **Lola**

That makes sense. I'm also kind of wondering why anyone paid Kimkins for advice in the first place when there are so many websites with similar things available for free like sparkpeople and this one, etc.

I can only answer for me but I had no experience with low carb eating and had no idea of this board here. I found out about you all from the controversy (thank you all!) when it started being talked about on KK. I had no idea that Kimmer/Heidi started here. Also, you don't know what the plan is until you join. It's not available until you do.

[WildAngel6]

Don't you just love to see the real picture of the "Lady in Red" posted all over the internet?

Winning Weight Loss: The REAL Heidi Diaz

Kimkins Dangers: The Kimmer - Deposed! Meet Heidi Diaz!

Is This The “Real” Heidi Kimkins Scam


But riddle me this?

Why would ANYONE want to do Kimkins if the "before picture" looks like Lesya and THIS one is the "after picture"??


If you have a blog, be sure to include this picture to let folks know what she really looks like.

Also, be sure to include the information on how to contact the folks to get on board with the lawsuit, for all the people who have fallen victim to this scam.

We need to keep getting the word out!

Remember..... Friends don't let friends do Kimkins!

Drive Thru Only: Friends don't let friends do Kimkins

[OhYeahBabe]

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

I think he might be referring to people on myspace sending out bulletins. They have a feature where you can send bulletins to all of those in your friend lists. Some kids send them constantly. I think that's what he means.

Oh! Thanks for the education! I'm myspace ignorant. I assumed 'mass bulletin posters' were people who posted on big bulletin boards... as in, it's all about us ducks, LOL!

I still think Brandon sounds cranky. I wonder if he's been sick. You know, with whatever the tech guys have? Or maybe he's cranky because his mom isn't cooking these days.

[buzzybee]

Originally Posted by TerryC

OK - so I am dumb - what is a Mass Bulletin poster?

Well we here at LCF are considered a bulletin board and we are pretty massive......okay I wasn't stating for a fact he was talking about us....I just thought it was funny how it sounded!!

[MJR]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

The old snotty toned Kimmer that we all know and whatevah is making an appearance tonight. Careful Kimmer, your snark is showing, dear!
I wonder if superheros or captains will be around tonight or in a day or so? Below are all posts from recent comments in a thread to ask Dr. Mark about hair loss. They appear in the order that they were posted in the thread.
Maybe Kimmer is feeling the pressure or maybe Dr. Mark got his hand slapped for his internet postings and Kimmer is trying to set a firm example in order to get her KK members in line. But it backfired I believe....bawhahahaaha

Below is another member jumping in to soothe Kimmer or earn brownie points, since Wanda pretty much told Kimmer that no one asked her a question! Wanda girl you rawk! I actually am giddy with anticipation!.


Hey, Kimmer just when you thought you could get up on your high horse again, it looks like Wanda kicked you off it, and put you in your place!

This post (below) is to follow up on Honeybee's earlier post (above) of Wanda's smackdown!
These are follow up posts by kk members - wanda, another member and then Dr. Mark.

Kimmer,
I don't feel that my questions were asking for "virtual health care" How long will this hair loss possibly last and is there any thing else I can do...are pretty straight forward. I have followed the advice he has already given. However, in a post on this forum(and I have read this forum and others on this issue as well as my DH medical books) he made mention of foods we could add that might help but never was specific. Besides, none of his other replies were of a "general nature" he was pretty specific. If he's not here to give valuable advise why have him accept concerns he can't adequately address?

Wanda Re:Losing my hair...Dr. Mark Hours, Minutes ago I have appreciated Dr. Mark's general opinion of things, he has been great to research things and give us info. But what I think is the confusing issue, is calling him Dr. Mark. I understand that he has the right to be called "doctor" because of education, but when he is here in the "health and wellness" section of this forum, I think it is often misunderstood, and people may think he is a M.D., a practicing medical doctor with hospital privileges kind of doctor. Can we just call him "Mark" or "Mr. Mark" or something like that to try to alleviate the confusion?

And Dr. Mark's response.....

Re:Losing my hair...Dr. Mark Hours, 1 Minutes ago Sometimes I kid with my patients and say "dont call me Doctor, I work for a living".

Let me explain my a bit about my role with my patients and on this forum.

I am a practicing physician, but not an MD.
I used to have a family practice where I functioned as the primary for most of my patients. Determining when to send them for further testing or refer them to an MD.
I typically spend between 30 and 90 minutes with my patients with a good bit of hands on work.
I know all of my patients well, and usually multiple generations of their family.
I cannot prescribe drugs or perform surgery, though I have a working knowledge of both.

The tools of an MD are Drugs and Surgery
The tools of a DOM are Hands on Modalities, Herbs and Nutritional/food therapy.

My license if that of an Acupuncture Physician in Florida but the name is quite misleading. Acupuncture is a very, very small part of what I practice. I have spent a lifetime (18 years) in Physical Medicine and Human Health and Performance.

My schooling was a 3000 hour Post Graduate program (on top of Bachelors). The program was quite comprehensive including all internal medicine departments. Basically similar to an MD or DO program except where they have Drug classes we have herb and modality classes. The program is exceedingly difficult. Typical class starts with 35 and graduates less than 10! The school I went to was the best in the country (I searched extensively) but folded due to micromanagement a few years after I graduated.
My internships, seminars taken, seminars given etc. number in the many thousands of hours.

Now notice, I said I practiced FAMILY MEDICINE, not endocrinology, oncology, gynecology or rheumatology. I do have collegues with my same license that specialize in all of these things and do so quite well. If it gets to in depth I refer to them, just as I do on this forum.

All advice that I give is superficial and assuming that you know when to go to the MD if needed. There is no way I could diagnose or treat you over the internet! I think most everyone realized that.

If you really look at my posts you will see they are all directed to help the forum community as a whole, offering suggestions and helping to educate each of you in the PROCESS of learning your own body. That is what you are really doing here. Helping each other to learn what works for your individual body is the real goal. Once you know that you have a lifelong tool to health and happiness.

Using the name Doctor in my profession has been a source of debate, mostly within our my profession for years.
Many feel that the Name Doctor should be reserved for MD's. (Md's feel really strongly about this of course).
Others use Doctor for everything under the sun like the mail order "Phd in religion" that I once worked with

If my patients want to call me doctor that is fine, but I look at it in the origional definition.

A Doctor is supposed to be a teacher, leading his patients by education and example. That is the Doctor I strive to be. I walk the walk in order to talk the talk. I eat right, exercise, live a balanced life and enjoy a bounty of love and health. I seek ways to increase this even more and to give you tools to do the same.

When I decided to enter into medicine I put my ego aside and feel the patient comes first. If all health professionals could do that we would be working together, in multi-disciplinary facilities were patients all got better quickly.

In my offices the staff calls me Dr. Brinson (I am really not that formal but they insist)
I have patients and students call me whatever they like (I let them know calling me Mark is fine, I do not need a title for respect)

Call me Doctor if you like, or call me Mark. I will respond to either without predjudice.

Now I'm just that my computer won't crash!!!

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by EasyPeas

I'm thinking that after paying cash for her house, not to mention making IRS estimated income tax deposits (and my bet is that she is making these, she'd be so totally stupid not to do so with that kind of income)....and then having her assets attached by the judge.... well.... my bet is that she's running out of operating cash. She's probably running out of the cash needed to pay the (isn't-a-real?) doctor... and the sickly tech guys (if they even exist).... and all the other adminions for their official adminion duties.

I look to see less official activity by admins in the coming weeks... unless they're very generous with their donation of unpaid time to Kimkins. Besides that, she has to keep the Kimkins web-host or server or whatever it is, paid (to borrow Heidi's line, "I'm not a tech person"... and in my case, it's really true!).

And don't forget that during all of this, Heidi still has to keep her own attorney paid... "nice guy" that he may be, I doubt he's going to donate much unpaid time to Heidi/Kimkins.

Plus she needs to keep food on the table for her and Brandon.... (although her food costs may have dropped a tad since she's supposedly attempting to actually do her own diet).... and she has to pay the lights/utilities for that house of hers, etc etc. (And don't forget cat food, she has to keep her "cattiness" well-nourished).

But anyway, this one thing I do know: ample operating cash is the absolute life-blood of any business, no matter what type and no matter what size. And the judge, by freezing most of Heidi's assets, just put a serious (and probably unexpected) crimp in Heidi's operating cash.

Here's where I think Heidi failed (but it will probably be a while before she really figures it out):

If she truly understood business.... and wanted her Kimkins to survive (to provide a financial future and keep the cash coming in, you know?).... she would have understood that the stupidest thing she could have done was sink that much of her ready cash into a house as she was staring down a lawsuit designed to bring Kimkins down.

What she should have done was hang on to all that cash, using it to fortify her "war-chest" to fight the lawsuit and win. She should have tried to neutralize the lawsuit early on by "coming clean" months ago, using much of that cash to provide refunds to all of us "negative Nancys", get rid of us, change the TOS and and the business structure to one that was legitimate and truly provided immunity, using some of that cash to finance a hefty business liability insurance policy to protect herself in future.... and then start all over with a clean slate. There would have been plenty of time to buy a nice house after getting rid of us and/or winning the lawsuit... as the memberships started pouring in from the "legitimization" a lawsuit neutralization/win would have provided the Kimkins business.

Everything she has done business-wise since this started has been amateurish, reactive, and too-little-too-late. And paying cash to buy the house is another example.... and a major blunder on Heidi's part. By doing so, she probably placed herself in an ever-tightening financial and business straight-jacket.... leaving herself very little room to maneuver. Way to go Kimmer! Good job!

JMHO

Good post! Tippy should be trying to add up the facts because she is prolly next of the chopping block.

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

LOL!
I think K/H is feeling the heat of prosecution. First TT says on national TV that there is no doctor on the site after recently introducing Dr. Mark to the members. Hmmmm, I wonder how Dr. Mark felt about TT making that claim on TV. I wonder how the members felt about that after the big doc intro and then posting questions to the site doctor they're more than aware of having on the site. Now Heidi is covering her butt because they're seeking medical advice from the so called doc that they said they don't have. Remember when all they needed for medical advice was Kimmer/Heidi? My, how things change. How are they going to explain their way out of all this to their members without the help of the ban button? How are they going to explain all this in court?
Tangled web weaving must be an exhausting job. I hope it has a bright future. A bright orange jumpsuit future. heh

The "No Doctor" comment made by Tippy is only second to the 'nutritionalist' email as a good synopsis of Tippy and MarkMark. TT should have just said "No, but we have MarkMark (not to be confused with Marky Mark who is a hottie and has a brighter future)......

Originally Posted by OhYeahBabe

I wonder what happened to the bariatric specialist they were getting? If Kimmer said not to ask for medical advice on a website, I guess they must be re-thinking that invitation to Dr. Specialier-than-Mark? Or the invitation was flatly rejected. Or it was all a BIG FAT LIE!

It was a BIG LIE. I know that Kimmer has referenced a bariatric specialist before. Christin mentioned it briefly when discussing her emailing Kimmer, before she was fired, with questions on some concerns with Kimkins. From Christin's blog-(underlining mine) I also requested a copy of the email that she had claimed to have sent to a bariatric specialist

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

Between her new house and the money in escrow - she is probably "cash poor". No more money for furniture or repairs..... The kitchen looks pretty small .....

I agree with you and Queeny on the kitchen being small. I guess when you get #2 specials or sugar cookies from the bakery a big kitchen is not a top priority...Oh and I forgot trying to get out of losing the money she defrauded from thousands was probably a driving force too in overlooking the kitchen size.

[Chelveston]

Originally Posted by MJR

And Dr. Mark's response.....

Bolding in Mark's post is mine

So, "Dr." Mark is feeling no heat from the State of Florida's investigation??

Still inflating himself.

[Sheridan]

Originally Posted by SMP

Kimkins used smilies before to insert tracking codes so Heidi could monitor members' destinations on the Web. Apparently they do work. So i assume she can just as easily insert codes to prevent cut and paste. No coincidence, as far as I see.

A way to get around this is to copy and paste the selection from the site where you think they're using tracking codes into notepad first, then copy and paste FROM notepad into your final destination (like here).

Originally Posted by mamasooze

Been lurkin' forever (and ever and ever)...Nobody has mentioned this tidbit from the Kiimpound yet. Its fromTT:


Reamage Control Bootcamp Challenge 1 Day, 1 Hour ago
I am taking a computer break for a while. Been fighting with DH over the time I spend here. He wins and he is right (but don't tell him) . So carry on, stay safe and stay over 800 calories and you'll do just fine. I hope to be back online soon. Happy weight loss everyone!

TT honey, 'splain to your hubby that its your JOB!!!
(Maybe she read Becky's blog. Makes you go HHmmmm)

I think her paycheck has been cut. He sure didn't seem to think she was spending too much time on her job when he got to accompany her to NY for the M &J show taping.

Originally Posted by EasyPeas

Or... if YustYucky is right.... TT may take everything she's learned from Heidi, and go off to start her own "new and improved".... and legitimate... version of Kimkins. Leaving Heidi in the dust. Cyclekins, anyone?

JMHO

I also wouldn't be very surprised if Heidi sued her if she does.

[JustKim]

Originally Posted by MJR

This post (below) is to follow up on Honeybee's earlier post (above) of Wanda's smackdown!
These are follow up posts by kk members - wanda, another member and then Dr. Mark.





And Dr. Mark's response.....



Now I'm just that my computer won't crash!!!

that whole post of his makes me want to puke. No Mark - according to Florida law you can NOT claim to be a primary care physician. You are a licensed acupuncturist - there is no physician about it.

and gee...would someone ever select a surgeon with a "working knowledge" of it?

[OhYeahBabe]

In my offices the staff calls me Dr. Brinson (I am really not that formal but they insist)
I have patients and students call me whatever they like (I let them know calling me Mark is fine, I do not need a title for respect)

That part sounds like Hidey! I really wonder if she helped him write that whole post.

BTW, if he doesn't care about being called "Dr", then why is he "DrMark"?

[wackytobeme]

Okay, not to get anyone off topic, but I don't get the after photos at KK's. For the last two weeks the photos posted by Heather, she seems to be getting larger, but shows a 30# loss. I know the after picture is taken at a closer distance than the before, but if you were to size them for proportion, they look like they would be the same. Now the Bryan guy does look like he's losing weight, but you know that's how it works with guys. argh!
Carry on

[HoneyBee2]

[quote=MJR;9557873]

. Can we just call him "Mark" or "Mr. Mark" or something like that to try to alleviate the confusion?

I vote for MarkMark or TheMark.....

If you really look at my posts you will see they are all directed to help the forum community as a whole, offering suggestions and helping to educate each of you in the PROCESS of learning your own body.

CYA

My schooling was a 3000 hour Post Graduate program (on top of Bachelors).

At a school that is listed as offering a masters program?!?!? Is that not the degree Mark?

My license if that of an Acupuncture Physician in Florida but the name is quite misleading

Yes and you along with Kimmer use this to its full advantage! Much like the red dress is confusing!

Basically similar to an MD or DO program

But NOT

A Doctor is supposed to be a teacher, leading his patients by education and example. That is the Doctor I strive to be. I walk the walk in order to talk the talk. I eat right, exercise, live a balanced life and enjoy a bounty of love and health. I seek ways to increase this even more and to give you tools to do the same.

Ok did he just explain why he can be called a doctor? Because I thought "doctor" was an earned title based on degree.

[dlslds]

[quote=HoneyBee2;9558140]

Originally Posted by MJR

I vote for MarkMark or TheMark.....


Ok did he just explain why he can be called a doctor? Because I thought "doctor" was an earned title based on degree.

yep he did Honeybee

'Others use Doctor for everything under the sun like the mail order "Phd in religion" that I once worked with'

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by SMP

Thanks, JWC. You saved me from a big search! And I thought it was Hector to whom that comment can be attributed. Please note the word "cram." I still think Heidi was letting truth slip in by mistake when she claimed 4 foster boys at a time.
Hey Missi, will this be enough verification for you, or shall I visit Slamboard when I get back from town?

I visited slamboard--here is the link for that post by notaheidifan

there are no dates admitted to in the post--and looking back at the court records---Hector was granted temp custody early in 2001-when they changed it San Bernadeno--

I still feel Heidi did not have foster children after 2000--since that is what is stated by the DHS and the agency governing private foster care---just my 2 cents

Originally Posted by 2big4mysize

well I can answer for me. The majority of folk reaching goal "owe" a huge debt to the low carbers who came before them paving the way with the books the recipes the product testing and evaluating the sharing of information about the whys that thye willingly shared for free. The way we can repay that debt is to pay it forward by doing like wise answering newbies questions about jello for the umpteeth time, explaining the science of ketosis and low carbing and helping to create another generation of informed healthy smaller low carb success stories who too can carry on the WOE. Paying it forward is hiow the low carb communitee functions at its best.

[OhYeahBabe]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

But NOT

You're such a stickler for details, Honey!

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by OhYeahBabe

Oh! Thanks for the education! I'm myspace ignorant. I assumed 'mass bulletin posters' were people who posted on big bulletin boards... as in, it's all about us ducks, LOL!

I still think Brandon sounds cranky. I wonder if he's been sick. You know, with whatever the tech guys have? Or maybe he's cranky because his mom isn't cooking these days.

Poor kid. lol

Originally Posted by WildAngel6

Don't you just love to see the real picture of the "Lady in Red" posted all over the internet?

LOVing it!!
Thought this would be interesting...
and

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[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by SMP

Kimkins used smilies before to insert tracking codes so Heidi could monitor members' destinations on the Web. Apparently they do work. So i assume she can just as easily insert codes to prevent cut and paste. No coincidence, as far as I see.

Yes I think it is a coincidence like the computer glitches that Kimkins has at the most opportune times. The coincidence was my attempt at sarcasm. I forgot to post an [sarcasm] alert. LOL

Originally Posted by SMP

Thanks, JWC. You saved me from a big search! And I thought it was Hector to whom that comment can be attributed. Please note the word "cram." I still think Heidi was letting truth slip in by mistake when she claimed 4 foster boys at a time.
Hey Missi, will this be enough verification for you, or shall I visit Slamboard when I get back from town?

I think you and Missi are correct but for different reasons. You are correct SMP in what you said, but it was "reported" or "alleged" that Hector gave that statement. So your overall statement is correct in theory but as Missi correctly stated, we can not state or claim that it came from Hector or the ex GF unless it is prefaced with that it is speculated or your opinion...whatever.
Where you and missi may differ is that that the post on Slamboard was attributed to Hector by Martin of slamboard. Hector can not be directly linked or quoted to that statement and since he did graciously speak with members on LCF and share quoted statements we wouldn't want to put words in his mouth that weren't his. Others have said that the post came from Hector's new wife, including Ducky who commented on this on the exposed blog, but those are just opinions on who the poster was since they chose not to use a real name.
and where are you going???? A holiday vacation?

Originally Posted by mamasooze

Been lurkin' forever (and ever and ever)...Nobody has mentioned this tidbit from the Kiimpound yet. Its fromTT:


Reamage Control Bootcamp Challenge 1 Day, 1 Hour ago
I am taking a computer break for a while. Been fighting with DH over the time I spend here. He wins and he is right (but don't tell him) . So carry on, stay safe and stay over 800 calories and you'll do just fine. I hope to be back online soon. Happy weight loss everyone!

TT honey, 'splain to your hubby that its your JOB!!!
(Maybe she read Becky's blog. Makes you go HHmmmm)

Thanks for posting TT's comment.