Why the fascination with Kimmer? #10

[marnaewilson]

Hi, Fluffy. I've thought of you off and on over the past several months, too, and wondered how you were doing. Glad to see you here, but sorry you're suffering. My prayers are with you.

[wackytobeme]

Originally Posted by McLurkypants

I think this is a great way of looking at it, and especially if I had children, this would be a struggle for me.

But I have to add - in my opinion, there ARE times when "starvation" dieting may be the way to go. This would be when other health concerns are so dire that "starvation" dieting is worth the risk. This is the basis for the medically supervised liquid fasts, and even weight loss surgery (which I see as a surgical way of inducing and enforcing starvation dieting at least short term).

The difference is MEDICAL SUPERVISION. Medically supervised liquid fasts are often done in the hospital with every health detail being monitored closely. The nutrition of the liquid meals is carefully considered by medical and nutritional professionals. I've had WLS and have been closely followed every step of the way. We are basically talking "starvation" dieting in both cases - but there is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between these programs and Kimkins, a seat-of-her-stretch-pants starvation program that the "CREATOR" has NEVER EVEN FOLLOWED HERSELF. It's infuriating! I hope the lawsuit gets the attention of the Feds and the little house of cards comes tumbling down before somebody up and dies from this craziness.

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Thanks I was going to add that exception to my post but was just too lazy
Anyway, that would be a temporary diet (as TT now wants to advocate) and there would be an eventual increase toward normal healthy eating. Which I was waiting to materialize on KK or through the e-book before I would start the "plan". (because you know she has kept it off for 5 years. )

[amadeus4313]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Isn't Sharp a relative's name? Dennis Sharp?

ETA: Isn't that addy a Post Office location?

And wasn't Vanessa Sharp on the Kimkins team?

[gibster]

Originally Posted by Chelveston

Don't worry, Heather's current "after" pic will become the "before" pic after not too long. Anyone wanna bet on that?



Maybe TT is really Dennise using a pseudonym?

Entirely possible, considering the spelling.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by Leashy

Isn't that where TT and/or Dr Mark live?

Yes - right on!

[fluffybear2]

Originally Posted by marnaewilson

Hi, Fluffy. I've thought of you off and on over the past several months, too, and wondered how you were doing. Glad to see you here, but sorry you're suffering. My prayers are with you.

Thanks--as I said once before, it was out of desperation that I tried Kimkins. My doctor said if I didn't lose weight I would be in a wheelchair. Thankfully I didn't stay on Kimkins long enough to have any ill-effects. I started Atkins in October and I like it, but it is slow going. I just have to learn to be patient.

[Gitana]

I found this really funnny post at KK. This is Kimmer's response to a member asking her to post her pics.

Re:Kimmers Pics 1 Year, 5 Months ago
They're coming, they're coming.

I'm still telling myself it doesn't mean I'm vain, showing off or being prideful. Easier said than done, BTW! In our family, photos (unless kids or group) is kinda sorta 'bragging'.

I need therapy, - (she got THAT right!) LOL. They're coming, promise!

And this is Tippy's response talking about this board:

Re:Kimmers Pics 1 Year, 5 Months ago
Kimmer, they say the before pics are not really you. The funniest part of that is the person who said it looks nothing like her before pics either. And I would like to add: I pray I don't look like my before pics either, lol



Gitana

[quiggley]

Originally Posted by fluffybear2

Zepherhills is indeed in the general Tampa Bay area of Florida and Dr. Mark was associated with a non-traditonal oriental school of medicine in Pinellas County just across the bay from Tampa which is also considered the Tampa Bay area. I seem to remember TT saying she was from Pasco County which is just north of Tampa, but I could be wrong about that. Anyway they are all on the west side of the Florida peninsula. I used to live in that area myself many years ago.

Yes Pasco County is the next county north from Hillsborough/Tampa and is where Zephyrlhills is located. This whole area from north to Hernando county west to us in Pinellas east to Polk and south to Sarasota is considered the Tampabay area. When TT and I met for Lunch we would meet in Tampa because it is about the halfway point between Largo and Zep'hills

[susique333]

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Laura: And those Russian gals are still "advertising" on that link, too..Where is the KGB when we need them???

I roared when I read your above comment, good one! LOL

[susique333]

Originally Posted by beckynett

I do believe they are involved.

I did not want to, especially with Brandon, but the evidence speaks for itself.

I know that Kimmer said she had Brandon answering emails that flooded her inbox when the Woman's World feature came out. She told me he knew Kimkins inside and out, and could answer questions on her behalf.

Dennis, also, has indicated full knowledge of the situation, according to reliable reports.

So, reluctantly, I have had to realize I was overly optimistic in giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Is there a time limit on Child abuse? When did he turn 18, I know she involved him before he turned 18. What a creep she is and doubly so to involve her own child. Just when I think I cant dislike her anymore...I find something new to make me more angry.

[fluffybear2]

Originally Posted by quiggley

Yes Pasco County is the next county north from Hillsborough/Tampa and is where Zephyrlhills is located. This whole area from north to Hernando county west to us in Pinellas east to Polk and south to Sarasota is considered the Tampabay area. When TT and I met for Lunch we would meet in Tampa because it is about the halfway point between Largo and Zep'hills

Yes, I have lived in both Largo and St. Petersburg but my husband was transferred to the midwest in 2001. However we plan to retire in Florida. I miss Florida a lot. We had a home with a pool there and swimming helped me to stay in shape. I wish I had one now since I have developed arthritis because I have heard water exercise is really good for arthritis. Walking just makes me hurt worse. Anyway, that's another thing I will have to be patient about since my husband won't retire for a few more years.

[Gitana]

Originally Posted by McLurkypants

The difference is MEDICAL SUPERVISION.

Exactly! My niece has a lapband, and she sees both her doctor and her nutritionalist very, very often.

--Gitana--

[TerryC]

As I am looking at the faces in these pictures - it seems to me that they are the of the same person but not of the same time period

Picture number 1 and number 2 look alike, with number 2 possibly taken when heidi lost 100 lbs after wls ??? and/or possibly when she weighed 215 in the court documents. But the PI pictures below that look like an older heidi, with a different, updated wig. I could definitely see 215 as her possible weight in that "new" picture - but I'm calling BS on 290.

I am thinking that the "new" picture of heidi on the KK website is of her when she lost some weight - but a long time ago, certainly not in the last 3 weeks.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by MJR

From Kimmer....... (bolding by me)

Re:60 Minutes & Portion/Calories Hours, Minutes ago
Thank God, I thought I was the only one! Why don't I stop? On another TV show (you all must think I just watch TV all day), I think Primetime they did a food experiment where they had volunteers sit at a table with a plate of cookies. They were told they could eat the cookies if they wanted to. Lots of the people ate lots of cookies. So what?

The hosts (I'm thinking Diane Sawyer but I'm not sure) was amazed that some people ate 5-10 cookies. I couldn't understand what she was surprised about? Apparently a serving would be like 1-2. Oh really? Not to me ... [b]which is why I stay away from cookies (or anything similar).

.................................................. ....
Been there, done that. As a kid, I was limited to 2 cookies. As an adult, I didn't have to observe any limits, and the more I ate, the hungrier I got. Sugar is addictive from the first bite, and for those who skipped breakfast and skimped lunch, cookies represent food - in some cases, a meal. But several years ago I found out I was allergic to wheat, and dropping wheat cured my cookie addiction at the same time.

[Awakened]

You know what... this is a very important point that has just been brought up....

But I have to add - in my opinion, there ARE times when "starvation" dieting may be the way to go. This would be when other health concerns are so dire that "starvation" dieting is worth the risk. This is the basis for the medically supervised liquid fasts, and even weight loss surgery (which I see as a surgical way of inducing and enforcing starvation dieting at least short term).

At 210 5'7" I was considered obese... BUT.. I do not think that I would have been considered unhealthy to the point of requiring a "starvation diet". Perhaps this is a key point that should be brought up. There is NO RESTRICTIONS on the Kimkins plan as to who should or shouldn't be using it. There is no "You must be at least 100 pounds overweight to use this program" and there is no "you must be medically supervised while on this plan" anywhere!
When I started Kimkins, yes I was very overweight and needed to lose 70 pounds.. but I was NOT unhealthy to the point of needing gastric bypass! My medical problems at this point were cosmetic and a "comfort" problem. (Lower back pains, skin rashes, etc) But I never considered the fact that this "diet" might have been more geared towards those who are facing something more severe problems.
so... add this to the list of "warnings" the site should carry IF it remains up....

[SMP]

Originally Posted by wackytobeme

This thought has been my greatest stumbling block to starting any diet that isn't appropriate for children or pregnant women, because if I have to keep that way of eating to maintain the weightloss, and it is safe, then my kids should be able to eat the same way too..right? Or if it is perfectly safe, why not during pregnancy also. Am I making any sense?

Wacky, if you go back and read DANDR again, Atkins is quite upfront about his diet being unbalanced. What?! He points out that Induction specifically has to be unbalanced to counteract the eating that traumatized us and our insulin levels, blood sugars, etc. He even put in a line drawing of triangles and boxes to illustrate that - if the triangle represents our unbalanced WOE now - that it will take another mirror image (opposite) triangle TO BRING US BACK INTO BALANCE. Then we pick up at this point (in ketosis, cravings quieted down, stable moods and blood sugars) and begin more balanced eating. He suggested 2 weeks for a full Induction. Two weeks won't kill me but I'd sure hesitate to put toddlers or preggies on this diet. If I felt it necessary, I'd go past Induction and begin there. But as I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV, I think a doctor's monitoring is still critical for continued good health.

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by missis36

Ok havne't been able to catch up just yet, but I need to know is it just me or did anyone else see Honey's post on Halcion and think of the Brady Bunch episode when Jan was trying to think of a name for a boy she was dating and looked at the glass and said "George Glass"?

The reason? I think Heidi came up with the name while sitting at her computer looking around at stuff and the Halcion bottle was in sight. Just a thought. Ok....carry on.

I am answering as I go, so someone else may have posted this--forgive me if it's redundant, please!

I agree with this theory--it makes perfect sense to me.

oooh y'all this is spooky.


Quote:
Kimkins Exhausted
halcyon daze

For those of you wondering why the he77 (edit mine) Kimmer named her LLC “Halcyon” consider this …

Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) : Traits discussed

When & where have we seen that link before?

September 8th … Stephanie’s comment at Becky’s blog …

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?b...675762086334033

That's an article about narcissistic personality disorder. IMO by choosing a word from the link to that article, which was posted (the link I mean) at Becky's blog, Heidi was laughing at the whole discussion about herself having some kind of mental disorder. I think she leaves clues like this all along through this whole thing, stretching way back. She's playing a game with us, with everyone she holds in contempt, sneering at us, her enemies. Just IMO as usual but this is really spooky. Maybe it's just a coincidence and the Kimkins Exhausted bloggers are grasping at straws. But I don't know, I think maybe it's not a coincidence at all.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by FaithM.

I just lost 75 lbs. overnight via the Photo Shop diet! Hey, this stuff really works!

LOL!! Reminds me of the Kimkin's cartoon where she's holding up the picture of her fake self.

Originally Posted by Awakened

Just wanted to get the word out that I posted my "unsaid replies" to Jeannie on my blog in response to the show last week. Jeannie... you are welcome to comment if you want.
The Open Bench

Excellent blog entry!! You said a lot of what I was screaming at the TV that morning.

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

A neighbor of ours has a sister that is about 300#. She just called yesterday and said her sister was taken to the hospital for being dehydrated and malnourished. She couldn't believe that could happen to someone who weighs 300#+. So you can be malnourished and still be overweight!

OMG! I hope she's alright now.

Originally Posted by Awakened

Amanda Holbrook is another one of Kimmer's pseudo names. She "published" as the PR director of Kimkins after Christin left... with Christin's submitted article.... she is not a real person. (if she is a real person.. my apologies.. because Heidi Diaz has stolen your name to use it on her own.)

the abovepress release was written by Christin, and Heidi Diaz used it under this false name... even "quoted" by this false name... for something that Christin actually wrote and said herself right before leaving Kimkins.

Golly, what a surprise. Who'd suspect this from Heidi Diaz? <note sarcasm>

Originally Posted by ADuckyMole

have you seen the new header at kimkins?

the tagline is gone and it now reads:

...more lies.

It's hysterical, though. What can we get them to do next? hmmmm.
Is anyone keeping a log of when something is said here and a change to the effect of what was said is done there? I think it would be very interesting and maybe even useful.

Originally Posted by SMP

If you don't mind, I will quote TT's response again -


I've gotten pretty adept at spotting the weasel here (and this reply was most certainly coached in its exact form by Heidi). "We DO not..." Of course not! After the steam cleaning and frantic deletions, and the alternating with Atkins, newbies would have a hard time ever finding a post where they DID promote starvation on Kimkins, right?
"And we never will." Future tense. All this means is - we got caught promoting anorexic thinking; so next time we'll be smarter and not say it openly -from this time forward. Too bad it's Kimkins' history and not present and future that is the basis for the lawsuit.

EXACTLY!

Originally Posted by Jazlyn

I was telling someone about this earlier.

This is something weird I found. I googled Heidi Diaz and this people locator thing came up and I found a Heidi Kimberly Diaz and it said associated names Dennise Miller. So I look up Dennise Miller thinking it might be her sister or something since Heidi's maiden name is Miller (I think) I found a Dennise Miller in Zephyrhills Florida. It is just a weird spelling of Dennise. A lot of people are turning up in Zephyrhills.

Just such a tangled web.

Well, well. Isn't that where TT lives? heh.

[ixtapacheryl]

Dear Mrsmenopausal:

Quote:
Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl View Post
A neighbor of ours has a sister that is about 300#. She just called yesterday and said her sister was taken to the hospital for being dehydrated and malnourished. She couldn't believe that could happen to someone who weighs 300#+. So you can be malnourished and still be overweight!

OMG! I hope she's alright now.

Just found out that she is also autistic (sp?). Apparently she tried to commit suicide and she is now in some hospital. Unfortunately they can't hold you more than a few days against your will. My husband's brother tried to commit suicide and when he failed he said the next time he would succeed. They were able to hospitalize him for 4 days. A few months later he was successful! He was only 43 and my husband's only sibling. It truly was sad.

Anyway - just so people understand that you can be overweight and still suffer from malnutrition. Don't listen to any of the crap that as long as you have body fat you don't need to eat..... your body will just use your fat for nutrition.

[wackytobeme]

Originally Posted by SMP

Wacky, if you go back and read DANDR again, Atkins is quite upfront about his diet being unbalanced. What?! He points out that Induction specifically has to be unbalanced to counteract the eating that traumatized us and our insulin levels, blood sugars, etc. He even put in a line drawing of triangles and boxes to illustrate that - if the triangle represents our unbalanced WOE now - that it will take another mirror image (opposite) triangle TO BRING US BACK INTO BALANCE. Then we pick up at this point (in ketosis, cravings quieted down, stable moods and blood sugars) and begin more balanced eating. He suggested 2 weeks for a full Induction. Two weeks won't kill me but I'd sure hesitate to put toddlers or preggies on this diet. If I felt it necessary, I'd go past Induction and begin there. But as I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV, I think a doctor's monitoring is still critical for continued good health.

Thanks SMP, it's been a while since I read the book, I need to get back to it, along with my ever growing pile of things I need to get to...hmmm..where does the time go?
I realize induction is for short term, jump start, get rid of the toxic stuff that keeps us eating the wrong thing or too much. Where I had the greatest problem (along with not wanting to take the time to plan meals) was the adding in the carbs each week until weightloss stopped then backing down to resume (is that right). I would only notice weight loss about every 4 weeks and it was after my TOM so it would be difficult to tell if I was adding too much.
I probably would have had lost more than the 20lbs if I had stayed away from the psuedo low carb foods. I learned very quickly not to binge on the low-carb and sugar free chocolate. Hmmm. wonder why HeidiK doesn't incorporate those in the diet, there great for a really good WHOOSH

[WildAngel6]

Originally Posted by TerryC

As I am looking at the faces in these pictures - it seems to me that they are the of the same person but not of the same time period

Picture number 1 and number 2 look alike, with number 2 possibly taken when heidi lost 100 lbs after wls ???