Why the fascination with Kimmer? #10

[mrsmenopausal]

Dang, people .. how's a gal supposed to catch up? I skimmed, missed several pages, and jumped to the end.
I saw enough to realize I missed quite a bit of drama. Please forgive me for not reading it all. Usually I'd feel really left out not knowing all of it but, to be honest, I'm tired of people telling me how I should feel and then telling me what I should be doing with those feelings. I don't presume to know what's best for you. How about you extend me the same courtesy, k?

File me under the too stupid to have known better category. I fell for it. I believed it. I had no clue until the end of my time there. I'm paying the price now. I'm pissed. I'm not going to take it lying down. Each fist-full of hair renews my desire to see an end to her being able to continue on and hurt others. Excuse the part of me that will be thrilled to see it happen for my own personal reasons. It exists but it's not my main purpose.

Now, onto the latest ...
Frozen assets? WOOOHOOO baby!!

Uh, the real Heidi in red. Not quite the impact as when she was a Russian mail order bride, I must say. I'm sorry but I just can't find her attractive, pretty, or even okay looking. When you're a lying liar that lies I guess it's all I can see and it ain't pretty. Love the "water" she has sitting there to sip on. Glad she could stay hydrated even if it is brown water.

She purchased a house and two cars with CASH? Makes me sick to my stomach to think that as people were having health issues, being banned for speaking out about hair loss, heart palpitations, dizziness, asking questions, afraid of what was happening to them, etc., that she was out spending the membership fees of people she made ill on extravagant, luxury items. I wonder what her members and devoted staff have to say about her purchasing a house and two cars with cash? Didn't she claim that all proceeds were going to charity? What charity was that, the lying liars who lie charity? If nothing else opened your eyes, wouldn't this give you at least a moment of pause? <shiver> Feels evil. Really evil.

The whole thing makes me ill.


* I just wanted to add that prayers are going out for those of you in need of them.

[2big4mysize]

wow 1.6M in the bank a 400K+ house and new cars
think I made a mistake when ask to do a pay for advise site

[missis36]

ok I just want to see if ya'll can see this screen shot. Not a pro at this at all, but it showes you the levy.

crap, ok give me a minute

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by missis36

ok I just want to see if ya'll can see this screen shot. Not a pro at this at all, but it showes you the levy.

There's no screen shot in your post, Missi. Or am I missing something?

[Sherrie_lc]

Just read from Becky that Heidi has filed a demurrer to stop the suit from happening

[missis36]

Sorry mrs. m, had to work with it a sec.
it's there now

[missis36]

also all of the info is on the site remember just type guest no password search kimkins and you can read everything there is to know about the demurrer, and the levy

http://public-access.riverside.court...G%3C%2Ffont%3E

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by missis36

Sorry mrs. m, had to work with it a sec.
it's there now

Got it this time. Thanks!

Originally Posted by missis36

also all of the info is on the site remember just type guest no password search kimkins and you can read everything there is to know about the demurrer, and the levy

http://public-access.riverside.court...G%3C%2Ffont%3E

Thanks!

[LowcarbFan]

I have no doubt that Kimmer is going to lose everything and go to jail. I personally know 2 people that had this happen to them. They were accused of fraud and other things and ended up with 5 years in jail. Lost 2 houses, cars, boats, jewelry, furs and no telling what else. It was a huge deal and they ended up with nothing. I am sorry but I hope this happens to Heidi. Her fraud has hurt several people and even if it didn't her posting her fraudulent pictures, lied and said she lost the weight and so on will land her in jail. Funny thing is shes admitted it on her site so now she can't go into court saying she didn't know what she was doing or say she didn't do it or posted pictures people sent her. She ADMITTED to the fraud and I hope that the prosecutor has copies of everything shes said on her site. I have a copy of her admitting everything. She might of done herself a disservice coming clean because no judge is going to say aw you poor thing, you admitted you conned thousands of people so I am going to go easy on you. I hope she ends up in jail and everything shes bought in the last couple years is taken away from her.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by mrsmenopausal

Dang, people .. how's a gal supposed to catch up? I skimmed, missed several pages, and jumped to the end.
I saw enough to realize I missed quite a bit of drama. Please forgive me for not reading it all. Usually I'd feel really left out not knowing all of it but, to be honest, I'm tired of people telling me how I should feel and then telling me what I should be doing with those feelings. I don't presume to know what's best for you. How about you extend me the same courtesy, k?

File me under the too stupid to have known better category. I fell for it. I believed it. I had no clue until the end of my time there. I'm paying the price now. I'm pissed. I'm not going to take it lying down. Each fist-full of hair renews my desire to see an end to her being able to continue on and hurt others. Excuse the part of me that will be thrilled to see it happen for my own personal reasons. It exists but it's not my main purpose.

Now, onto the latest ...
Frozen assets? WOOOHOOO baby!!

Uh, the real Heidi in red. Not quite the impact as when she was a Russian mail order bride, I must say. I'm sorry but I just can't find her attractive, pretty, or even okay looking. When you're a lying liar that lies I guess it's all I can see and it ain't pretty. Love the "water" she has sitting there to sip on. Glad she could stay hydrated even if it is brown water.

She purchased a house and two cars with CASH? Makes me sick to my stomach to think that as people were having health issues, being banned for speaking out about hair loss, heart palpitations, dizziness, asking questions, afraid of what was happening to them, etc., that she was out spending the membership fees of people she made ill on extravagant, luxury items. I wonder what her members and devoted staff have to say about her purchasing a house and two cars with cash? Didn't she claim that all proceeds were going to charity? What charity was that, the lying liars who lie charity? If nothing else opened your eyes, wouldn't this give you at least a moment of pause? <shiver> Feels evil. Really evil.

The whole thing makes me ill.


* I just wanted to add that prayers are going out for those of you in need of them.

Hi, Mrs.M .I missed most of the action too. Maybe it was a blessing that we did.

Originally Posted by missis36

ok I just want to see if ya'll can see this screen shot. Not a pro at this at all, but it showes you the levy.

crap, ok give me a minute

Hi Missi- Thanks for the screen shot! So no property in Florida....right? I have been looking. LOL

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by LowcarbFan

I have no doubt that Kimmer is going to lose everything and go to jail. I personally know 2 people that had this happen to them. They were accused of fraud and other things and ended up with 5 years in jail. Lost 2 houses, cars, boats, jewelry, furs and no telling what else. It was a huge deal and they ended up with nothing. I am sorry but I hope this happens to Heidi. Her fraud has hurt several people and even if it didn't her posting her fraudulent pictures, lied and said she lost the weight and so on will land her in jail. Funny thing is shes admitted it on her site so now she can't go into court saying she didn't know what she was doing or say she didn't do it or posted pictures people sent her. She ADMITTED to the fraud and I hope that the prosecutor has copies of everything shes said on her site. I have a copy of her admitting everything. She might of done herself a disservice coming clean because no judge is going to say aw you poor thing, you admitted you conned thousands of people so I am going to go easy on you. I hope she ends up in jail and everything shes bought in the last couple years is taken away from her.

I wanted to say how much I agree with what you posted, but looking at your avi makes me want to just say "Yes! Rawk ON!"

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Hi, Mrs.M .I missed most of the action too. Maybe it was a blessing that we did.

YOU missed it? How dare you take time off!

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by LowcarbFan

I have no doubt that Kimmer is going to lose everything and go to jail. I personally know 2 people that had this happen to them. They were accused of fraud and other things and ended up with 5 years in jail. Lost 2 houses, cars, boats, jewelry, furs and no telling what else. It was a huge deal and they ended up with nothing. I am sorry but I hope this happens to Heidi. Her fraud has hurt several people and even if it didn't her posting her fraudulent pictures, lied and said she lost the weight and so on will land her in jail. Funny thing is shes admitted it on her site so now she can't go into court saying she didn't know what she was doing or say she didn't do it or posted pictures people sent her. She ADMITTED to the fraud and I hope that the prosecutor has copies of everything shes said on her site. I have a copy of her admitting everything. She might of done herself a disservice coming clean because no judge is going to say aw you poor thing, you admitted you conned thousands of people so I am going to go easy on you. I hope she ends up in jail and everything shes bought in the last couple years is taken away from her.

Yup. I'm with you!

[HoneyBee2]

FYI -definition of a demurrer- this is from Wikipedia, so not a legal source but it does give the basic information in easy to understand terms.
Demurrer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"In common law civil procedure, a demurrer is a pleading by the defendant that contests the legal sufficiency of the complaint without admitting or denying the allegations therein. Demurs are usually filed at the beginning of a case. It is filed before the answer and can be characterized as the defendant’s way of saying “so what?” after reading a plaintiff's complaint.

The complaint implicitly or explicitly asserts or presumes the court has jurisdiction to decide the issue and grant the relief sought. The demurrer challenges the prosecution to prove that jurisdiction, putting the burden of proof on him. Historically, demurrer was considered a common law due process right, to be heard and decided before the defendant was required to plead "not guilty", or make any other pleading in response, without having to admit or deny any of the facts alleged.

A demurrer existed in criminal law procedure, but today is largely obsolete or abolished.

A demurrer is not a challenge to the ultimate merits of a case or claim. When ruling on a demurrer a judge is required by law to assume as true facts alleged in the complaint. Subject to very few exceptions, the Judge cannot rule on a demurrer based on the Judge's perception of a plaintiff's credibility.

Overview-
Civil cases

A demurrer is a paper most commonly filed by a defendant in response to a complaint filed by the plaintiff (a plaintiff may demur to a defendant’s answer to a complaint or the defendant's affirmative defenses, but this is uncommon). Sidenote: technically a "demurrer" is NOT a motion. One does not file a motion for demurrer nor move to demur. Despite this, most lawyers erroneously refer to a demurrer as a motion.

In lay terms, if a judge sustains a demurrer, he or she is saying so what to the causes of action or claims alleged in a complaint. In other words, the judge is saying I have read your complaint, but I don't see a valid claim or claims. If the defendant "wins" the demurrer, it will not have to file an answer to the complaint.

In legal terms, a demurrer attacks or responds to the legal sufficiency of the complaint. The demurring defendant asserts that the complaint does not amount to a legally valid claim even if the factual allegations contained in the complaint are accepted as true. Usually, a demurrer attacks a complaint as missing one or more required elements of a claim. For example, a negligence cause of action in a complaint should allege that: 1) the defendant owed a duty to the plaintiff; 2) the defendant breached the duty; 3) the breach caused plaintiff injury; and 4) the plaintiff suffered damage. A defendant could demur by saying that the complaint failed to plead one or more of these essential elements.

Besides policing poorly written or technically deficient complaints, demurrers may move to dismiss the entire complaint or individual claims in which the stated causes of action are not supported or recognized by law. For example, a complaint for breach of a promise to marry could be met by a demurrer because the law in most jurisdictions expressly prohibits such claims on public policy grounds.

Demurrers are decided by the judge rather than the jury. The judge either grants the demurrer by sustaining it, or denies it by overruling the demurrer. In ruling on a demurrer, the judge is required to accept as true all facts written in a complaint. The judge rules on whether the facts stated or alleged in the complaint, if true, constitute a sufficient cause of action warranting the case proceeding to litigation.

If a judge sustains a demurrer, he or she may sustain it "with prejudice" or "without prejudice." With prejudice means the plaintiff CANNOT file a corrected complaint. If the demurrer is granted without prejudice, the plaintiff may correct errors by rewriting the complaint and filing the amended complaint. Demurrers granted with prejudice are rare and reserved for when the judge has determined that the plaintiff cannot cure or fix the complaint by rewriting or amending it.

Because a plaintiff can correct errors by amending the complaint, technical or drafting errors are often dealt with by the demurring lawyer sending a letter to plaintiff counsel. The letter details the errors and typically providing plaintiff counsel the opportunity to file acorrected complaint. Defense counsel often do this rather filing a demurrer because many courts require this informal resolution procedure before a party files a demurrer"

[Tanner]

Anyone want to chat?

[LowcarbFan]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

I wanted to say how much I agree with what you posted, but looking at your avi makes me want to just say "Yes! Rawk ON!"

I saw that graphic and thought the same thing! I want to see Kimmer shut down and in jail for everything shes done. I am wondering if Tippy will end up with some jail time as well since she has lied on national television. She even accidentally sent an email admitting she was worried about the nutritionist issue. To me that is admitting she knows its wrong also but is still supporting the fraud. She knew about the fraud before even taking the PR position. Maybe they will add her in as a defendent before it is all over with. She should cut and run now if she knows whats good for her.

[WOOFY]

[Kisal]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

FYI -definition of a demurrer- this is from Wikipedia, so not a legal source but it does give the basic information in easy to understand terms.
Demurrer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"In common law civil procedure, a demurrer is a pleading by the defendant that contests the legal sufficiency of the complaint without admitting or denying the allegations therein. Demurs are usually filed at the beginning of a case. It is filed before the answer and can be characterized as the defendant’s way of saying “so what?” after reading a plaintiff's complaint.

The complaint implicitly or explicitly asserts or presumes the court has jurisdiction to decide the issue and grant the relief sought. The demurrer challenges the prosecution to prove that jurisdiction, putting the burden of proof on him. Historically, demurrer was considered a common law due process right, to be heard and decided before the defendant was required to plead "not guilty", or make any other pleading in response, without having to admit or deny any of the facts alleged.

A demurrer existed in criminal law procedure, but today is largely obsolete or abolished.

A demurrer is not a challenge to the ultimate merits of a case or claim. When ruling on a demurrer a judge is required by law to assume as true facts alleged in the complaint. Subject to very few exceptions, the Judge cannot rule on a demurrer based on the Judge's perception of a plaintiff's credibility.

Overview-
Civil cases

A demurrer is a paper most commonly filed by a defendant in response to a complaint filed by the plaintiff (a plaintiff may demur to a defendant’s answer to a complaint or the defendant's affirmative defenses, but this is uncommon). Sidenote: technically a "demurrer" is NOT a motion. One does not file a motion for demurrer nor move to demur. Despite this, most lawyers erroneously refer to a demurrer as a motion.

In lay terms, if a judge sustains a demurrer, he or she is saying so what to the causes of action or claims alleged in a complaint. In other words, the judge is saying I have read your complaint, but I don't see a valid claim or claims. If the defendant "wins" the demurrer, it will not have to file an answer to the complaint.

In legal terms, a demurrer attacks or responds to the legal sufficiency of the complaint. The demurring defendant asserts that the complaint does not amount to a legally valid claim even if the factual allegations contained in the complaint are accepted as true. Usually, a demurrer attacks a complaint as missing one or more required elements of a claim. For example, a negligence cause of action in a complaint should allege that: 1) the defendant owed a duty to the plaintiff; 2) the defendant breached the duty; 3) the breach caused plaintiff injury; and 4) the plaintiff suffered damage. A defendant could demur by saying that the complaint failed to plead one or more of these essential elements.

Besides policing poorly written or technically deficient complaints, demurrers may move to dismiss the entire complaint or individual claims in which the stated causes of action are not supported or recognized by law. For example, a complaint for breach of a promise to marry could be met by a demurrer because the law in most jurisdictions expressly prohibits such claims on public policy grounds.

Demurrers are decided by the judge rather than the jury. The judge either grants the demurrer by sustaining it, or denies it by overruling the demurrer. In ruling on a demurrer, the judge is required to accept as true all facts written in a complaint. The judge rules on whether the facts stated or alleged in the complaint, if true, constitute a sufficient cause of action warranting the case proceeding to litigation.

If a judge sustains a demurrer, he or she may sustain it "with prejudice" or "without prejudice." With prejudice means the plaintiff CANNOT file a corrected complaint. If the demurrer is granted without prejudice, the plaintiff may correct errors by rewriting the complaint and filing the amended complaint. Demurrers granted with prejudice are rare and reserved for when the judge has determined that the plaintiff cannot cure or fix the complaint by rewriting or amending it.

Because a plaintiff can correct errors by amending the complaint, technical or drafting errors are often dealt with by the demurring lawyer sending a letter to plaintiff counsel. The letter details the errors and typically providing plaintiff counsel the opportunity to file acorrected complaint. Defense counsel often do this rather filing a demurrer because many courts require this informal resolution procedure before a party files a demurrer"

Thanks, Honeybee! I was just about to google it myself, but you saved me the trouble!

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by LowcarbFan

I saw that graphic and thought the same thing! I want to see Kimmer shut down and in jail for everything shes done. I am wondering if Tippy will end up with some jail time as well since she has lied on national television. She even accidentally sent an email admitting she was worried about the nutritionist issue. To me that is admitting she knows its wrong also but is still supporting the fraud. She knew about the fraud before even taking the PR position. Maybe they will add her in as a defendent before it is all over with. She should cut and run now if she knows whats good for her.

Not only that, but Tippy admitted in the email that she would "focus on the diet as TEMPORARY for weight loss"....see my avi..LOL
She was going to be part of the deception by lying about how the diet is promoted or basically lie about how long people are advised to stay on the diet. She makes me snatty!

[McLurkypants]

Originally Posted by Sherrie_lc

Just read from Becky that Heidi has filed a demurrer to stop the suit from happening

Don't worry. That's a typical tactic used by shifty people. I mean non-shifty people use it also, but in a case where the defendant attempts to hide their identity and unlawfully-gained assets, I'd say it's a typical "shell game" tactic.

From Wikipedia on "demurrer" -

In common law civil procedure, a demurrer is a pleading by the defendant that contests the legal sufficiency of the complaint without admitting or denying the allegations therein. Demurs are usually filed at the beginning of a case. It is filed before the answer and can be characterized as the defendant’s way of saying “so what?” after reading a plaintiff's complaint.

The complaint implicitly or explicitly asserts or presumes the court has jurisdiction to decide the issue and grant the relief sought. The demurrer challenges the prosecution to prove that jurisdiction, putting the burden of proof on him. Historically, demurrer was considered a common law due process right, to be heard and decided before the defendant was required to plead "not guilty", or make any other pleading in response, without having to admit or deny any of the facts alleged.

A demurrer existed in criminal law procedure, but today is largely obsolete or abolished.

A demurrer is not a challenge to the ultimate merits of a case or claim. When ruling on a demurrer a judge is required by law to assume as true facts alleged in the complaint. Subject to very few exceptions, the Judge cannot rule on a demurrer based on the Judge's perception of a plaintiff's credibility.

The "so what" caught my eye in this definition. Doesn't that sound JUST LIKE the HEIDI we have come to know?

Anyway, it looks like a stalling tactic to me. They filed this instead of filing an Answer to the Complaint, in which they would be forced to admit/deny each numbered allegation.

My money is on the Plaintiffs. The Judge, having already issued a writ of attachment (NO EASY FEAT) based on what was presented so far, will swat this down like the little annoyance that it is.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Not only that, but Tippy admitted in the email that she would "focus on the diet as TEMPORARY for weight loss"....see my avi..LOL
She was going to be part of the deception by lying about how the diet is promoted or basically lie about how long people are advised to stay on the diet. She makes me snatty!

I'm sorry, Honey, but you must be mistaken. TT has made it very clear that she is going to right every wrong or she's not going to work there. Remember?