Why the fascination with Kimmer? #10

[JuliaL]

Originally Posted by Just4Me

When you challenge her RIGHT to question, yes, imo, you're "censuring." (i.e., "What right do you have to question her motive?")

However, imo, when you challenge her conclusion, you are discussing. (i.e., "Your conclusion is wrong because A, B, C.")

When did I question her RIGHT? Once again, here is exactly what I said:

Woo, I think that's a pretty cold attitude, especially coming from someone who understands what it's like to have an eating disorder. Christin fell for a scam perpetrated by someone who claimed to have lost a huge amount of weight in a very short time, safely. Kimmer posted fake before and after pictures, and constantly cited "evidence" that eating less than 500 calories per day is safe and effective.

I find it ironic that you, of all people, would be so judgemental about Christin

Where in that statement is there anything that question's Woo's right to say her opinion? And why is my opinion being considered an attack? I'm truly confused.

[Crohnie]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

I'm glad you guys all put ItsTheWoo in her place!!

wow, totally of line...that is NOT what we are about here. everyone is entitled to an opinion...everyone

[OhYeahBabe]

Could we please keep this thread focused on Kimmer/Kimkins, and possibly move unrelated discussions to new threads or PMs?

[shelby7851]

I read these and follow all of this, and just can't get past the fact that people are paying $60 and the person getting your money is asking you for advice!!!!

This has to be the most moronic thing I have ever seen. She needs to make it free if she is just dieting along with them. come on!

[anipomoni]

Originally Posted by Just4Me

When you challenge her RIGHT to question, yes, imo, you're "censuring." (i.e., "What right do you have to question her motive?")

Don't you see the irony in this statement? You are doing the same thing. (i.e. "What right does Julia have to question what right Woo has to question Christins motive?") You're just trying to "censure" Julia instead.

We all have the right to question, and we all have the right to question the questioner.


[Just want to clarify that I really did not see Julia questioning Woos rights anyway, but I wanted to address this odd logic]

[Crohnie]

Originally Posted by OhYeahBabe

Could we please keep this thread focused on Kimmer/Kimkins, and possibly move unrelated discussions to new threads or PMs?

I think it is....we are discussing whether some agree that it works for them and some do not. While I do not agree with Kimmer....I respect Woos opinion

Some of this is just getting plain silly here

[Barbara B]

I wasn't affected by Heidi/Kimkins in any way, so maybe I don't have a right to say what I'm saying. I only started reading this board 3 months ago and my only stake in this is that I have read every single post since number 1, and have gotten a grasp of the physical and emotional damage done and am afraid for any more members of Kimkins who have not seen the light.

Plus the fact that I cannot tolerate the idea of the fraud that has been perpetuated by someone who seems to take delight in seeing others suffer. I cannot, as a human being, stand by and see her continue to inflict injury. That is my only "qualification".

Many, if not ALL of these people do not experience the damage until they are OFF Kimkins. Why should Christin be the exception? If you go back and read all of her posts while doing KK, it is so clear that she was conned by Heidi, as so many were. Then, when she questioned the great seductress (and Kimmer is a good one), she got fired. You can absolutely see her journey through worry, disbelief, and, finally, righteousness and a desire to prevent other victims from falling into the Kimkins trap.

If there is anyone who has read her posts post-KK, seen her videos, listened to her heartbreaking feeling of responsibility, I don't know how anyone can come away without feeling that she is doing ALL that she can to make amends for ever encouraging anyone on the Kimkins diets.

I don't even know this woman, but she is a heroine in my eyes. She is trying to make things right and has probably helped many, many women steer clear of this awful plan.

And, after saying that, I want to say that for anyone who has been desperate and looking for a way out of obesity, how can we possibly scorn them and blame them for trying to get an answer? Especially when Kimmer seemed to have all the answers, seemed to have done it and remained healthy. It was all a big LIE, but how could they have known that back then? Back before there were anti-kimmer blogs and reports of sickness and malnutrition. This is not an attack on ANYONE here--even those who question Christin's motives. It's just a feeling of compassion and solidarity. Even if I didn't pay my $60, even if I never followed her plan, even if I was never hurt by her, THIS CANNOT STAND.

Her site must be closed down and she must be prosecuted. There must be some kind of justice for those who have been so terribly affected. How can we do this? We HAVE done this by folks who have given up a big part of their lives to do the research. By Christin, Becky, Deni, and others (not to mention our own wonderful HoneyBee and Jeanessa) and please forgive anyone I failed to mention.

These are people who are prepared to put their life on hold while they try and prevent other victims from getting hurt.

At this time of Thanksgiving, I give thanks to those that are willing to do this. Bless you all.

And Christin -- you are putting yourself out there and making most of it happen, bringing attention to the scam that you were scammed by. I only hope the rest of your life is beautiful and pain free. You are truly a kind and caring person, and I realize that your ONLY motive is helping steer potential victims away from this plan.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by Crohnie

I think it is....we are discussing whether some agree that it works for them and some do not. While I do not agree with Kimmer....I respect Woos opinion

Some of this is just getting plain silly here

What did you expect? It was Friday night! Maybe if everyone got a good night's sleep, we'll acknowledge the "Did!""Did not!""Did, too!" tone of these exchanges and move on in the morning. (It's morning for me.)

[Madam De Leon]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

I wasn't affected by Heidi/Kimkins in any way, so maybe I don't have a right to say what I'm saying. I only started reading this board 3 months ago and my only stake in this is that I have read every single post since number 1, and have gotten a grasp of the physical and emotional damage done and am afraid for any more members of Kimkins who have not seen the light.

Plus the fact that I cannot tolerate the idea of the fraud that has been perpetuated by someone who seems to take delight in seeing others suffer. I cannot, as a human being, stand by and see her continue to inflict injury. That is my only "qualification".

Many, if not ALL of these people do not experience the damage until they are OFF Kimkins. Why should Christin be the exception? If you go back and read all of her posts while doing KK, it is so clear that she was conned by Heidi, as so many were. Then, when she questioned the great seductress (and Kimmer is a good one), she got fired. You can absolutely see her journey through worry, disbelief, and, finally, righteousness and a desire to prevent other victims from falling into the Kimkins trap.

If there is anyone who has read her posts post-KK, seen her videos, listened to her heartbreaking feeling of responsibility, I don't know how anyone can come away without feeling that she is doing ALL that she can to make amends for ever encouraging anyone on the Kimkins diets.

I don't even know this woman, but she is a heroine in my eyes. She is trying to make things right and has probably helped many, many women steer clear of this awful plan.

And, after saying that, I want to say that for anyone who has been desperate and looking for a way out of obesity, how can we possibly scorn them and blame them for trying to get an answer? Especially when Kimmer seemed to have all the answers, seemed to have done it and remained healthy. It was all a big LIE, but how could they have known that back then? Back before there were anti-kimmer blogs and reports of sickness and malnutrition. This is not an attack on ANYONE here--even those who question Christin's motives. It's just a feeling of compassion and solidarity. Even if I didn't pay my $60, even if I never followed her plan, even if I was never hurt by her, THIS CANNOT STAND.

Her site must be closed down and she must be prosecuted. There must be some kind of justice for those who have been so terribly affected. How can we do this? We HAVE done this by folks who have given up a big part of their lives to do the research. By Christin, Becky, Deni, and others (not to mention our own wonderful HoneyBee and Jeanessa) and please forgive anyone I failed to mention.

These are people who are prepared to put their life on hold while they try and prevent other victims from getting hurt.

At this time of Thanksgiving, I give thanks to those that are willing to do this. Bless you all.

And Christin -- you are putting yourself out there and making most of it happen, bringing attention to the scam that you were scammed by. I only hope the rest of your life is beautiful and pain free. You are truly a kind and caring person, and I realize that your ONLY motive is helping steer potential victims away from this plan.

Very much what I would have said, if I could have found the words.

The only thing I would add to it is that it's fine for anyone who has studied nutrition, or bio-chem, or has a long history of dieting and calorie counting, or some kind of medical background to be held accountable if they bought into the low-everything scam and were surprised by the side effects. The key to who should really be held accountable here is previous knowledge and education about what it takes to provide the necessary nutrients for our bodies.

But for the population in general, they just don't know enough about how what they're eating to begin with made them gain weight, or the calorie and nutrient content of various foods, much less what nutrients their bodies really need every single day to avoid nutrient deficiency related symptoms, to realize what they were getting into. Hidey preyed on the general ignorance of the population at large when it comes to nutritional matters.

And that's without even going into russian brides, the fact that Heidi most likely never did her diet, and was herself morbidly obese the whole time, falsified success stories, banning of lifetime members, non-existent foster children, a ridiculous excuse for an e-book, etc, etc, etc!

[Chelveston]

I'm praying for everyone with health problems.

Originally Posted by sissypoo

I'm one of the "naive" people who followed the "plan behind the plan". If Kimmer said to cut out red meat, I cut it out. I thought she knew what she was talking about. Now I can look back and see how stupid and trusting I was. But at the time, I thought I was doing the right thing and the pounds were coming off.

I didn't start having medical problems until after I went off kimkins in Sept. By that time I had been reading this thread and was questioning the diet.

Sissypoo - take care of yourself.

You might want to consider telling your story to Kimkins Survivors, so that more people can be warned off the dangers of kimkins

Kimkins Survivors

Originally Posted by OhYeahBabe

ETA: Tippy, can you clarify something? Why are Christin and Deni still featured on the homepage? Aren't there any real success stories you can use that have not endured medical complications and are not suing you? Didn't you say they set a poor example? Which is it - are they successes or poor examples? Maybe you can talk that over with your boss. Since you are PR director and management, it seems like you might be able to have some influence there, in the spirit of righting wrongs and showing what a wonderful company Kimkins is.

Well said!

The answer is Kimkins is so pathetic that they have nothing else. The continued use of those success stories proves it.

Originally Posted by shelby7851

I read these and follow all of this, and just can't get past the fact that people are paying $60 and the person getting your money is asking you for advice!!!!

If only the people thinking of joining kimkins could see this post.

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by SMP

What did you expect? It was Friday night! Maybe if everyone got a good night's sleep, we'll acknowledge the "Did!""Did not!""Did, too!" tone of these exchanges and move on in the morning. (It's morning for me.)

I've noticed this trend too....

so back to Heidi.....
yucky left a comment on my blog about my take on Heidi naming her LLC halcyon---I looked into halcyon---did you know it was also the name of a guild in the World of Warcraft online game community---my son is very active in this online game and he told me about this

I agree with honeybee Heidi chooses her aliases, sock puppets, etc, names with some significant meaning behind them---could Brandon have chosen the name??

the plot thickens.......

[Just4Me]

Originally Posted by JuliaL

When did I question her RIGHT? Once again, here is exactly what I said:

Where in that statement is there anything that question's Woo's right to say her opinion? And why is my opinion being considered an attack? I'm truly confused.

Here:

Originally Posted by JuliaL

... when I challenge her right to question Christin's motives, I'm "cesuring" her?

Perhaps your opinion came off as an "attack" because your opinion was not of Wooo's thoughts, but of Wooo herself. I bolded the words below which rang the bells for me.

Woo, I think that's a pretty cold attitude, especially coming from someone who understands what it's like to have an eating disorder. Christin fell for a scam perpetrated by someone who claimed to have lost a huge amount of weight in a very short time, safely. Kimmer posted fake before and after pictures, and constantly cited "evidence" that eating less than 500 calories per day is safe and effective.

I find it ironic that you, of all people, would be so judgemental about Christin

"Cold attitude"---yes it's an opinion, but not about Wooo's argument, rather about her.
"Especially"---implies someone having had experience with an eating disorder should, by that fact, support another person who dabbled in eating-disordered behavior.
"You, of all people"---for me, same implication as "especially"
"Judgmental"---again, yes it's your opinion, but not of Wooo's statement, rather of the person.

Julia, this came across to me as an attack, through the black/white of words on a computer screen. However, I don't think YOU are an attacking person, nor am I trying to attack your opinion. But I am trying to explain my statement about why I thought Wooo had been attacked, or shredded, or whatever verb I used.

[LadyJulieAnn]

Originally Posted by Madam De Leon

Very much what I would have said, if I could have found the words.

The only thing I would add to it is that it's fine for anyone who has studied nutrition, or bio-chem, or has a long history of dieting and calorie counting, or some kind of medical background to be held accountable if they bought into the low-everything scam and were surprised by the side effects. The key to who should really be held accountable here is previous knowledge and education about what it takes to provide the necessary nutrients for our bodies.

But for the population in general, they just don't know enough about how what they're eating to begin with made them gain weight, or the calorie and nutrient content of various foods, much less what nutrients their bodies really need every single day to avoid nutrient deficiency related symptoms, to realize what they were getting into. Hidey preyed on the general ignorance of the population at large when it comes to nutritional matters.

And that's without even going into russian brides, the fact that Heidi most likely never did her diet, and was herself morbidly obese the whole time, falsified success stories, banning of lifetime members, non-existent foster children, a ridiculous excuse for an e-book, etc, etc, etc!

I'm not sure I agree that the general population is that ignorant about food these days. I think "Kimmer" was able to take advantage of those who looked for the "magical" quick weight loss plan. Looking for a quick loss doesn't automatically equate to being ignorant about food and our bodies.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by LadyJulieAnn

I'm not sure I agree that the general population is that ignorant about food these days. I think "Kimmer" was able to take advantage of those who looked for the "magical" quick weight loss plan. Looking for a quick loss doesn't automatically equate to being ignorant about food and our bodies.

It's not so much that we don't know anything about food, it's just that so much of what we know is wrong!

[wifezilla]

When it comes to diet and nutrition, it feels like we are all living in a Weird Al Yankovic song...

"Everything you know is wrong
Black is white, up is down and short is long
And everything you thought was just so
Important doesn't matter

Everything you know is wrong
Just forget the words and sing along
All you need to understand is
Everything you know is wrong"

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Crohnie

wow, totally of line...that is NOT what we are about here. everyone is entitled to an opinion...everyone

Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions, but what people are saying is that it's not always appropriate to share it. Posting a slam on someone, questioning their motives, basically calling them a hypocrite may be an opinion, but it's in bad taste to share it publicly. If that's how Woo feels, then fine. It tells me a lot about her character and I will not share my conclusions. THAT is called discretion, and Woo needs to learn how to practice it, especially since she works in the health care field.

[Just4Me]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions, but what people are saying is that it's not always appropriate to share it. Posting a slam on someone, questioning their motives, basically calling them a hypocrite may be an opinion, but it's in bad taste to share it publicly. If that's how Woo feels, then fine. It tells me a lot about her character and I will not share my conclusions. THAT is called discretion, and Woo needs to learn how to practice it, especially since she works in the health care field.

[bolding added]

Except that's basically what these last 10 Kimmer fascination threads have been about.

And no, I'm not equating Christin and Kimmer by any means.

As I see it, these threads have seen this discussion before, at its most basic form, along the lines of "If your opinion differs from the majority, should you voice it?"

[SMP]

I do. Not that my opinion is important in the grand scheme of things, but when I see a trend developing that runs counter to my core beliefs, I have to speak up. That's just me. There are times to turn away and let the thread simmer down -ie, known as biting your tongue. Mine gets quite sore on occasion. Other times, I can't seem to control my typing digits, and then things can turn nasty if there are any misunderstandings. People who read fast and reply faster especially have to be careful not to misread what was said. It's a good thing most people need periodic sleep, which allows for a cooling off period.

[LosingToLive]

We are being criticized for being “the duck squad” or the “anti Kimmer people”, but let’s NOT forget that “without us”…. she wouldn’t be brought to justice. (Are they helping, have they done ONE single thing to help? Probably NOT !)

This will NOT deter us from our agenda, she has harmed too many, and is still doing it.
Those dieters need us “WHEN they are ready”. We cannot lose focus of that, now or ever!!!

Ok, … blame the victim…..(whatever!)
How can you be on a board of strangers and ask for advice and not know who you are talking to?? How can Christin or anyone else be any different ? How are any of US any different???

Call us the” duck squad”….
Call us the “Anti Kimmer people”…..
WE will ALL be proud of those names !!!!!

We have heard your complaints about Kimmer, BUT what have you done to help bring her down? Nothing? Too busy? Have a life? WE do too, but we are trying to help others before they get hurt. Can you say the same?

She (and her PR person) have bad mouthed this site, but this is where it all began. They protected her, and wouldn’t allow anyone to bad mouth her. She has stabbed them in the back and you too. (you are part of this site right? After all , you come in here to complain or to brag or to talk about family and friends?)
This is where is all started, and this is the site that will do whatever is possible to STOP her from harming others.

Please excuse my attitude; this is getting out of hand. It’s like there are people out there are people trying to get US to stop.
I hate to tell you but “its NOT going to happen”. Call us any name you want…. WE will wear it with PRIDE !!!

We may NOT have 10,000 + posts.... but our message is important too.

[lbbmp]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Yes, we are all entitled to our opinions, but what people are saying is that it's not always appropriate to share it. Posting a slam on someone, questioning their motives, basically calling them a hypocrite may be an opinion, but it's in bad taste to share it publicly. If that's how Woo feels, then fine. It tells me a lot about her character and I will not share my conclusions. THAT is called discretion, and Woo needs to learn how to practice it, especially since she works in the health care field.

You always have great posts and replies I just wanted you to know that.
Lynn

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by LosingToLive

Please excuse my attitude; this is getting out of hand. It’s like there are people out there are people trying to get US to stop. I hate to tell you but “its NOT going to happen”. Call us any name you want…. WE will wear it with PRIDE !!!

I wonder who???

I'm not stopping either---please take the time to read my new blog post.....

see if you recognize anyone...

Heidi-how did you like it---