Why the fascination with Kimmer? #10

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by eggonmyface

Barbara, With everything that is within me, I shall pray for you. As I read your post, my thoughts were, surely God knows how much we can bear. Feel comfort in this Holy Season

Thank you, egg. I love your avatar!

[JuliaL]

For anyone who hasn't seen it, please see this thread on the ML.

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/ma...s-tonight.html

Be sure to read the last few posts by ItsTheWoo and her claims that Christin is an attention-seeker who doesn't deserve any sympathy.

[wackytobeme]

Not to distract from the intent of this thread, but I liken HeidiK to be in the same camp as the person in the is story. (Relatives maybe?)

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[Katinsac]

I'm glad you guys all put ItsTheWoo in her place!!

[pooticus]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

I'm glad you guys all put ItsTheWoo in her place!!

Kateinsac, sorry but I disagree with you and with Julia. There is no room for censuring people - even when they hold an opinion that is opposite or critical to the one you believe in...just sayin'.

JuliaL what I don't understand about all the people who followed Kimmer from LCF to her new site and did the Kimkins thing is this. We all warned them. We did. Over and over and over again in our debates with Kimmers, personally and with them. We argued with them about the ill-effects they would suffer. I even suggested doing a trial and keeping track here and was flamed for it. Now it all came to fruition and we were right. I was right. I don't remember if Kristin was at LCF prior to going to Kimkins?

But it seems to me that fat people are desperate. Trust me. I understand desperation. I understand the desire to want to lose quickly and see a dramatic difference. So the bottom line is that desperation drives people to do idiotic things and go counter to more balanced advice or against any advice that opposes their justifications for a chosen course. That is why Kimkins will continue to get new members and continue. Memories are short but losing weight isn't quick...usually. Unless you do Kimkins, consequences be dam*ed.

Oh and also I was flamed for even daring to give advice on eating because of my inability to lose weight. :-/ So in some ways, I agree with Woo. I respect what these people are trying to do now to warn others of the dangers. But in reality we tried to do the same and were told we were crazy and misguided. So what do you do when someone reaps what they sow?? What sympathy do you feel for them??? As a compassionate person I feel badly for them. But I also didn't invest much in worrying about their welfare cuz they got the warnings and still decided they knew better than the person giving the advice. So be it. It was their decision to make.

Also Julia, you know I'm a great admirer of yours and have been for some time. But I don't agree that one wrong makes a right. I believe three rights make a left. I don't think it's fair to criticize the Woo for speaking what is in her heart. We all have a right to express our feelings about this and censuring or shaming someone for daring to go against the norm is NO BETTER than all the Kimkins followers who were blindlessly, mindlessly, fearlessly, relentlessly following Kimkins when we were shouting and crying for them not to take that route, the route to danger. Acceptance without judgement or condemnation must start somewhere.

I believe other fat people who are just as desperate will ignore the warnings of all the anti-Kimkins people out there and just do it because I saw the same thing happen with ephedra and Phen fen. They didn't care about the consequences. They needed the help and were desperate. The same thing is happening to a large extent with weight loss surgeries. And as soceity adds to their pressure by assessing fat taxes and fat stigmas there will be an explosion of sickness our health industry is ill-prepared to deal with. They only think the toll placed on it by diabetes 2 and heart disease is bad...it will be nothing compared to the other crisis.

[CJane]

Originally Posted by BamaGal

CJane---hope your mother enjoyed hers as well, you had alot to be thankful for..

She really enjoyed TG, and now she's going on about me opening my own LC restaurant. I think I'll pass, LOL. I do indeed have a lot to be thankful for.

Originally Posted by Barbara B

Cjane, so happy to hear your mother did not have another stroke. I lost my dear mom in 2001, in July, a couple of months before Sept. 11. It took me an entire year before I could go to sleep without crying.

Katinsac--My heart is with you for losing your mother. I believe it is one of the most catastrophic events in a person's life. I know it is the hardest thing I have ever gone through.

I am worried about my own health. A CT abdominal scan just revealed a nodule (beinign) on one of my adrenal glands, and an abdominal aortic aneurism. I am seeing a vascular specialist next week on Wednesday and will see what she has to say. I have never had surgery before and am scared to death, but we will see.

I just came from an awful few months with my husband getting triple bypass surgery. He went into a coma for 3 days after the surgery and we thought we were going to lose him. He came home, but then, after 4 days, the chest started oozing and he was rushed back into the doctor's office, who scoped the wound and immediately ordered him to be admitted again. While we waited in the admission office for only a minute or two, his T-shirt all of a sudden was covered with blood. They rushed him into emergency and re-admitted him from there. They had to go in again and open him up a second time, with a plastic reconstructive surgeon working with the cardiac surgeon. They had to insert titanium plates because the bones and wires had moved. It was very very scary. But I certainly had things to be thankful for this Holiday.

Love and good thoughts to all of you who are going through rough times.

But you people here are strong and can do anything!

Oh, wow, I am so sorry Barbara! Looks like we are a bunch of strong women here. But still, that's a lot to go through, isn't it? My DD #2's dad has just informed me that he has an aortic aneurysm as well. I did some research and sometimes, over time, these things can repair themselves. I hope that is the case with you. Take care of yourself, you and your DH will be in my prayers.

Originally Posted by JuliaL

For anyone who hasn't seen it, please see this thread on the ML.

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/ma...s-tonight.html

Be sure to read the last few posts by ItsTheWoo and her claims that Christin is an attention-seeker who doesn't deserve any sympathy.

I usually really like ItsTheWoo's posts, but this time she's missed the mark. That's disappointing.

[susique333]

Originally Posted by wackytobeme

Not to distract from the intent of this thread, but I liken HeidiK to be in the same camp as the person in the is story. (Relatives maybe?)

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This also reminds me of the mother whos daughter was trying out to be a cheerleader, so this mother wanted to arrange a murder to help her daughters chances at making the team. Creepy people out there. Goes to show you the dept of mental illness!

My point being, Heidi knew we were coming up with troubling symptoms and she had a screwy reason behind them all, I think she didnt care if that diet was hurting people. Becky and I have spoken about 2 people we knew who were VERY active on KK, on low calories and suddenly disappeared. Whos to know where they are & would a family member tie a hospitalization /fatality to this diet??? Remember there were 60 some fatalities due to the Liquid protein fast in the 70's before it became apparent that the diet was faulty and it was my belief these people were being monitored at the time! Im including a study. http://circ.ahajournals.org/cgi/reprint/60/6/1401.pdf

[anipomoni]

I didn't see anybody "criticizing" or attempting to "censure" itsthewoo.
When did "disagreeing" become synonymous with "attacking"?

[OhYeahBabe]

Originally Posted by Mayberryfan

Just saw a promo for The Morning Show with Mike & Juliet and they're promoting the diet scam and Kimkins story again! Christin's soundbite in the promo is what caught my attention!

I'm guessing it's a re-run of the 11/13 episode since tomorrow is still "holiday time". But, if you missed it the first time, here's a second chance!

Oh, and they wouldn't re-run it this soon if it hadn't gotten some great response the first time!

In other tv talk... I was watching The View today and some guest chef was showing Joy and Sherrie how to make leftover turkey calzones. Joy grabbed a fork and only ate a bite of the filling, saying "I'm off carbs." Maybe when she was flapping her gums at Gary Taubes on Larry King, he actually taught her something? Maybe she read his book!

If only Kimmer could wake up and learn how to manage her weight properly instead of one crash diet after another, dragging people and their checkbooks with her. She could be using her powers for good.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

...
SMP, sorry, I didn't mean to be so graphic. It just kind of all came out [finally]. I hope you all had a great holiday. I did. DH made a wonderful lowcarb cheesecake and I was able to stay on plan.

Ah, don't worry about it, Barb. I don't usually mind graphic, and I'm glad you finally released the strain of -"if they only knew!" Now we do. It just happened to be somewhat relevant to my case.
Next time I have a hankering for cheesecake, think I'll borrow your hubby. Mine just made me some hot cocoa, and that's about the extent of his culinary prowess. (With stevia, not sugar!)

[golite]

Originally Posted by anipomoni

I didn't see anybody "criticizing" or attempting to "censure" itsthewoo.
When did "disagreeing" become synonymous with "attacking"?

Didn't you know that repeatedly stating it as such makes it so?

On a more serious note; often the word attack is used in place of rejection.
We know there's a lot of pain in so many here for various reasons and it's often what leads to our obesity.
I think some people are just hurting right now and can't tell the difference between a simple disagreement and rejection.

[Locarb4me]

BarbaraB and Pooticus: You will both be in my prayers

[Mavis]

Originally Posted by pooticus

JuliaL what I don't understand about all the people who followed Kimmer from LCF to her new site and did the Kimkins thing is this. We all warned them. We did. Over and over and over again in our debates with Kimmers, personally and with them. We argued with them about the ill-effects they would suffer. I even suggested doing a trial and keeping track here and was flamed for it. Now it all came to fruition and we were right. I was right. I don't remember if Kristin was at LCF prior to going to Kimkins?

I received a couple of private messages from some posters (well liked people here on LCF but I won't name any names) who told me that Christen was told/warned waaaay back to stop doing the diet by them when she complained about her hair loss and menstrual loss over at the Kimkins forum.
These people were members here and there. They are still members here.

[JuliaL]

Originally Posted by anipomoni

I didn't see anybody "criticizing" or attempting to "censure" itsthewoo.
When did "disagreeing" become synonymous with "attacking"?

Thank you! I think I responded to Woo in a very respectful way.

Pooticus - why is it 'cesuring' or 'shaming' when I disagree with Woo, but when she disagrees with those who think Christin is not just an attention-seeker, she's "expressing her feelings"?

[JuliaL]

Originally Posted by Mavis

I received a couple of private messages from some posters (well liked people here on LCF but I won't name any names) who told me that Christen was told/warned waaaay back to stop doing the diet by them when she complained about her hair loss and menstrual loss over at the Kimkins forum.
These people were members here and there. They are still members here.

But does that give anyone the right to question her motives now? Why does the fact that her desperation to lose weight made her ignore the warning signs make her any less sincere in her efforts to warn others? I don't understand the rationale behind blaming Christin.

[SMP]

I agree with some of what Woo said, but reject her claims that we are all adult women with unimpaired thinking ability, or suggestion thereof. We have food issues, it's true. But between society trying to force us all into size 5 bodies, the utter contempt that many hold the obese in (and fat people are just as condemnatory), the constant pounding by medical researchers about the harm we're doing to ourselves, and the lure of snakeoil salesmen (including Big Pharma with their "take a pill" solutions), I doubt if there are any overweight people who have never been unbalanced at one time or another. Desperate is the exact word for how we feel. It can consume us to the point where we are easy prey for the Heidi Diazes of this world. Woo hasn't the decades of experience to judge everyone by her own youthful weight loss and medical training. Cut her some slack, but don't fall into her way of thinking.

[Mimosa23]

I was desperate to lose weight too... I did Kimkins (thankfully NEVER paid for access to her website) too even though I KNEW it wasn't good for my health... Desperate times call for desperate measures and all that... Sad but true.

This doesn't mean that Christin isn't allowed to warn other people of the dangers of Kimkins now... I think it makes her a brave woman for admitting to her mistake and I think it's great that she's stepping up and wanting to stop others from making the same mistakes that she (and many others including myself) made.

ETA: I consider myself to be a confident and intelligent woman. However, like for many others here, I had (and still struggling with) a bad body image and no matter how much you try to be reasonable about something so subjective and personal, it CAN take over your thought process, and it CAN lead you to make bad choices...

[JuliaL]

Originally Posted by SMP

I agree with some of what Woo said, but reject her claims that we are all adult women with unimpaired thinking ability, or suggestion thereof. We have food issues, it's true. But between society trying to force us all into size 5 bodies, the utter contempt that many hold the obese in (and fat people are just as condemnatory), the constant pounding by medical researchers about the harm we're doing to ourselves, and the lure of snakeoil salesmen (including Big Pharma with their "take a pill" solutions), I doubt if there are any overweight people who have never been unbalanced at one time or another. Desperate is the exact word for how we feel. It can consume us to the point where we are easy prey for the Heidi Diazes of this world. Woo hasn't the decades of experience to judge everyone by her own youthful weight loss and medical training. Cut her some slack, but don't fall into her way of thinking.

Very well said! Which is exactly why I pointed out that I think Woo is very smart and appreciate her posts (most of the time). But I also think she is too easily dismissing the desperation that Christin and others felt which drove them to follow Kimmer's way, even in the face of evidence that it was unhealthy.

To now accuse Chrisin of "attention-seeking" because she is speaking out against Kimmer is unfair. That was my only point to Woo.

[Mavis]

Originally Posted by JuliaL

But does that give anyone the right to question her motives now?

It might not give people the right to question it but in a free society such as yours and mine some people will question it.

Sorry...but that is life.

[JuliaL]

Originally Posted by Mavis

It might not give people the right to question it but in a free society such as yours and mine some people will question it.

Sorry...but that is life.

Agreed, Mavis. No need to be sorry, that's what makes this a great country. But why is it o.k. for Woo to question Christin, but when I question Woo I'm "shaming" her? (in the words of Pooticus)

Woo can say this:

I have a hard time feeling sympathy for Christin. I'm sorry but a woman her age ought to know bad things can and will happen if you eat like 500 cals per day.
IF she had an eating disorder I might be able to feel a bit of sympathy ... her motivation seemed to be to get thin as quickly as possible be damned the consequences.

and this:

IMO, it's like she just wants attention...

Between her and jimmy moore, amazing how all of these people who profited from kimkins finanically and emotionally (attention) find a way to continue to do so after the fact.

But when I challenge her right to question Christin's motives, I'm "cesuring" her?

[Mavis]

Originally Posted by JuliaL

Agreed, Mavis. No need to be sorry, that's what makes this a great country. But why is it o.k. for Woo to question Christin, but when I question Woo I'm "shaming" her? (in the words of Pooticus)

Woo can say this:

and this:


But when I challenge her right to question Christin's motives, I'm "cesuring" her?

You'll have to ask Pooticus that.

[This time]

Originally Posted by Barbara B

Pooticus, I am thinking good thoughts about your surgery. Hang in there!

Cjane, so happy to hear your mother did not have another stroke. I lost my dear mom in 2001, in July, a couple of months before Sept. 11. It took me an entire year before I could go to sleep without crying.


Katinsac--My heart is with you for losing your mother. I believe it is one of the most catastrophic events in a person's life. I know it is the hardest thing I have ever gone through.

I am worried about my own health. A CT abdominal scan just revealed a nodule (beinign) on one of my adrenal glands, and an abdominal aortic aneurism. I am seeing a vascular specialist next week on Wednesday and will see what she has to say. I have never had surgery before and am scared to death, but we will see.

I just came from an awful few months with my husband getting triple bypass surgery. He went into a coma for 3 days after the surgery and we thought we were going to lose him. He came home, but then, after 4 days, the chest started oozing and he was rushed back into the doctor's office, who scoped the wound and immediately ordered him to be admitted again. While we waited in the admission office for only a minute or two, his T-shirt all of a sudden was covered with blood. They rushed him into emergency and re-admitted him from there. They had to go in again and open him up a second time, with a plastic reconstructive surgeon working with the cardiac surgeon. They had to insert titanium plates because the bones and wires had moved. It was very very scary. But I certainly had things to be thankful for this Holiday.

Love and good thoughts to all of you who are going through rough times.

But you people here are strong and can do anything!

Sorry to leave you out, you are also in my prayers

[Michalle]

Originally Posted by SMP

But between society trying to force us all into size 5 bodies, the utter contempt that many hold the obese in (and fat people are just as condemnatory), the constant pounding by medical researchers about the harm we're doing to ourselves, and the lure of snakeoil salesmen (including Big Pharma with their "take a pill" solutions), I doubt if there are any overweight people who have never been unbalanced at one time or another. Desperate is the exact word for how we feel. It can consume us to the point where we are easy prey for the