Why the fascination with Kimmer? #10

[tiggerr]

Originally Posted by Awakened

That is one of the dangers of the program.. not everyone will experience the side effects while ON the plan.. MANY of us experience the problems AFTER..... and then the damage is already done!

I dabbled in her 'plan' for 4 weeks. I wanted to lose fast!
Guess what, I'm hypo thyriod and will take medication for the rest of my life.

I take full responsibility as an adult for believing her.

[CJane]

Originally Posted by cgkane

I'm from Ohio too and I know exactly where the snow belt is.

*back to reading*

LOL, cool! Another Buckeye!

I'd never heard it called the snow belt, but I know how it snows up there...I've even driven in it. Nearly died, I'm tellin' ya.

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[MJR]

Originally Posted by Tanner

I wonder if we were getting to close some other information when she came it and disrupted the thread? -- what were we talking about?

I think you might be on to something.... we need to go back and figure out where we were before we were sidetracked. BRB

[SMP]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

Arise you are saying the same thing I was saying. And I saw some other posts in older threads also saying this same thing.

They think we don't understand why they are upset. When we TOTALLY understand.

You all say that we are blaming the victim but when we state that you all gang up on people who don't feel you should be so mean spirited then we are all of a sudden playing the victim. When we say you have to take partial responsibility for not following your own good judgement then you compare us to molesters and rapists. When we say that the jokes are juvenile and adults shouldn't be acting with such behavior then you all say that Kimmer started it. When we say that you all are exhibiting mob behavior then you hit us with the Kimmer is a fraud.

Not one person has addressed the specific concerns that have been raised. You all feel justified in your actions because of the wrong doings of Kimmer.

We all have said Kimmer is wrong but you bypass that and continue to try and convince us that she is wrong. LOL

Obviously you cannot have read the entire 10 threads on this subject. I came in about pg 40 of Thread #1 and castigated the posters for their unsupported nasty claims - my mother should slap my booty for reading that long. But these girls ran with my comments and eventually SUPPORTED every claim they had originally made against Kimmer. I followed along and had to rethink my stance as first one fact, then another, was harvested from Kimmer's past postings. I've even switched to her real identity when it became irrefutably established. And I DID raise the issue of personal responsibility - until I realized that I had met Kimmer on these boards and been repelled by her advice. But I also believe that if the lie is big enough, repeated long enough, that otherwise normal intelligent people with food and weight issues can be knocked off balance. I no longer blamed the victims for being victimized after I saw the master manipulator behind the Kimmer persona. It helps that I was close friends with such a person for too long, and it took years before I clued in to her methods. But at least she wasn't a real crook. Count yourself fortunate that you aren't easily manipulated and/or convinced by general belief in the essential decency of human beings. Even so, every so often I've had to caution the girls to tone down the rhetoric. (Usually Fri nights are bad - something about the weekend.) Most do. Most are not childish, but those posts are the ones that stick in your mind. If our posts make you feel like you've entered a den of ravening wolves, I suggest you think about the "ammunition" you came armed with. You can plead for tolerance here - but it's unrealistic to expect it on Heidi's behalf. It gets rather damning when she gives a miniscule apology, then goes right back to lying about various aspects of her diet WHEN WE HAVE THE PROOF!! If you've read all the threads, then this is not the place to condemn people for being trusting, then ask for them to trust YOU that they are badly behaved. Trust me on this.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

Arise you are saying the same thing I was saying. And I saw some other posts in older threads also saying this same thing.

They think we don't understand why they are upset. When we TOTALLY understand.

You all say that we are blaming the victim but when we state that you all gang up on people who don't feel you should be so mean spirited then we are all of a sudden playing the victim. When we say you have to take partial responsibility for not following your own good judgement then you compare us to molesters and rapists. When we say that the jokes are juvenile and adults shouldn't be acting with such behavior then you all say that Kimmer started it. When we say that you all are exhibiting mob behavior then you hit us with the Kimmer is a fraud.

Not one person has addressed the specific concerns that have been raised. You all feel justified in your actions because of the wrong doings of Kimmer.

We all have said Kimmer is wrong but you bypass that and continue to try and convince us that she is wrong. LOL

This on-going thread has been filled with various opinions. So I am not surprised if you could relate to some of the comments made in thread #10 or any of them, frankly. The fact that you felt others are of the same opinion as you does not make it correct or valid by default.

You do understand why we are upset with the situation? That is good to read, because that sounds like a different stance then when you first came into the thread and asked about the young ladies "bad mouthing" Kimmer or kimkins. That terminology implied you didn't understand why they or anyone else was upset or speaking out.

But you are incorrect about being compared to a molester or a rapists. Nowhere, that I have read, were you compared to either.

If you notice in those examples that members gave they were stating how victims of rape or molestation are made to feel worse by being told "they should have used better judgment" or "they were asking for it". Those are not the statements from the rapist or molester but the statements from those passing judgment, therefore, you were not compared to a molester or rapist.

Yes, the situation of how victims feel when they are told a crime is their fault by others was given as examples, but don't get it twisted, you nor anyone here was labeled as the one committing those negative actions, unlike being called a lynch mob.

If you concern or point has not been addressed then state it again and prove how it is a valid point.

[AllisonB]

Originally Posted by CJane

LOL, cool! Another Buckeye!

I'd never heard it called the snow belt, but I know how it snows up there...I've even driven in it. Nearly died, I'm tellin' ya.

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We lived in the Kent area until I was 7. I had to walk to school, uphill, barefoot, in the snow.

[HoneyBee2]

In general where we were with things:

I think we were talking about how Brandon and Dennis probably were more involved in this than previously thought by many.
LL pointed out that Dennis had a plumbing service listed online with the same address as Kimkins.com and a few of us were searching the phone number. The phone number comes up with the same number listed for a "fake" kimkins' staff member Amanda Hollbrook.
I know I said wonder how Dennis would know how to announce the phone if he didn't know about kimkins and the lies.

We were also discussing how Kimmer was still manipulating the photos on her site and Becky commented how the deposition was video taped.

I will have to go back and look to see more specifics but that is what I recall off the top of my noggin.

I do want to point out that basically since Kimmer had been absent from kimkins we had not heard from much in way of either those who supported kimkins or from those who thought what we were doing was wrong, for whatever reason.
The timing may simply be that the Queen bee has returned to the hive.

[Baby PHAT]

Originally Posted by Awakened

BabyPhat.. I think you are referring to me when saying that I said your question reminded me of being molested... I want to clear up that for a minute.
I am not saying that you are like my molester.. what I was saying is that your question was like my principal's statement to me. It was a "blame the victim", "make the victim take responsibility" mentality. I in NO WAY think that you are like a molestor.. goodness no.. Kimmer is the one who is behaving LIKE a molestor.
I'm sure my principal thought he was truly protecting me from any additional dangers by telling me not to wear tight sweaters, I'm sure he never INTENDED to make me feel like trash. However... sometimes people's questions and or statements that are directed at victims of a crime are much deeper than you realize.

All it does is make "the victims" feel guilty over something we really shouldn't feel guilt over.

Hopefully, you have never had to feel the way I have felt. Hopefully you have never been in a situation where someone hurt you, broke your trust, violated you, abused you or turned it back around and told you it was your own fault to begin with. I guess if you've never experienced something like that then you wouldn't be able to recognize how your casual innocent questions might cause some raw emotions to be stirred up.

I am not sure what kind of "responsibility" you want us to take. What exactly do you want us to do?

I'm not trying to twist your words or "jump on you" for asking questions.. I'm simply responding from my heart in reaction to your post. If you understand what I'm saying and just completely disagree, then oh well... but perhaps looking at it from my point of view might encourage you to be a little more empathetic and a little less judgemental.

There were so many posts directed at me that it was hard to keep up with all of them. So I tried to address them all at once.

I understand that I came accross as harsh and I apologize for that.

If I decided to follow the program and listen to Kimmer even when I knew there was something wrong I would have to take responsibility for not following my own common sense. But once I did that I would take appropriate action and move on.

I like to follow meta physics and the universal laws state that you make your own reality. If you allow this to bog you down emotionally, mentally and physically then you are only hurting yourself. In no way is Kimmer going to be harmed because of the negative energy that you have towards her. That negative energy is only going to attract more negative energy. I say purge yourself of all of it, think positively and don't let Kimmer continue to make you a victim. That doesn't mean that you have to stop your lawsuit, but keep in mind that you must be solution based and not problem based.

[Baby PHAT]

Originally Posted by tiggerr

From Kimkins Exhausted




I wonder too.

The person who made that statement is entitled to their opinion.

[CJane]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

I say purge yourself of all of it, think positively and don't let Kimmer continue to make you a victim.

That is one of the points of this thread. We are the empowered ones.

People have needed to vent here, too, and that's a positive thing.

There's a lot of positive here. I don't see how anyone could really say otherwise.

[Awakened]

Actually, I don't have any "negative energy" being sent out towards her. It may seem that way because I am a part of the lawsuit.. but as I stated, my "energy" is all about preventing others from falling into her snares.
When it coes to my actual feelings towards Kimmer... I pray for her. Everyday.

[sherlynn9]

There are so many sides to the issue. I wish I had joined her site so that I could be part of the lawsuit. I actually had no clue that she had left LCF and had her own site until I started reading Thread 1 (started on page 18). At that point it was mostly speculation about whether the pictures she had posted of herself were really her with alternating discussion of whether the diet plan was healthy. I really don't think that anyone expected it to blossom to 10 threads and all of the scamming that has taken place be exposed. My hats go off to those who have worked so hard to find the truth and make it known. Without all of their hard work (and Janessa's not getting her refund) the truth about "Kimmer" would not be known.

To those who think the posters here should just move on and forget and now let the law take its course, I do not agree. As I told my son, it is because the people on this site will not allow Heidi to continue scamming people without the truth always being tossed out there. If everyone were to move on, then, yes, Heidi would be free to continue with the lies. And she is not telling these lies just for the fun of it, she is telling the lies to take advantage of people desperate to lose weight and financially profiting from those lies.

Now I again ask the question that has not yet been answered by those in opposition, how would you have handled the situation, what steps would you have taken to see that Heidi is dealt with by the legal system?

Have Wonderful Thanksgiving everyone. Off to make my lowcarb pumpkin pie.

Sherlynn9

[MJR]

Ok
We got off track around page 6

Kimmers photoshopped front page picture - How did she do it? (Brandon?)
I wonder if Brandon (oops I mean the tech guy) is still sick?
Photoshopped green bracelet possibly covering up old watch
Dennis Sharp - Plumbing - same number & address as Heidi
LLC name found - what is it's meaning?
Kimkins articles (articals) popping up everywhere

Where is Tippy?

Ok guys what am I forgetting?

[Baby PHAT]

Originally Posted by SMP

Obviously you cannot have read the entire 10 threads on this subject. I came in about pg 40 of Thread #1 and castigated the posters for their unsupported nasty claims - my mother should slap my booty for reading that long. But these girls ran with my comments and eventually SUPPORTED every claim they had originally made against Kimmer. I followed along and had to rethink my stance as first one fact, then another, was harvested from Kimmer's past postings. I've even switched to her real identity when it became irrefutably established. And I DID raise the issue of personal responsibility - until I realized that I had met Kimmer on these boards and been repelled by her advice. But I also believe that if the lie is big enough, repeated long enough, that otherwise normal intelligent people with food and weight issues can be knocked off balance. I no longer blamed the victims for being victimized after I saw the master manipulator behind the Kimmer persona. It helps that I was close friends with such a person for too long, and it took years before I clued in to her methods. But at least she wasn't a real crook. Count yourself fortunate that you aren't easily manipulated and/or convinced by general belief in the essential decency of human beings. Even so, every so often I've had to caution the girls to tone down the rhetoric. (Usually Fri nights are bad - something about the weekend.) Most do. Most are not childish, but those posts are the ones that stick in your mind. If our posts make you feel like you've entered a den of ravening wolves, I suggest you think about the "ammunition" you came armed with. You can plead for tolerance here - but it's unrealistic to expect it on Heidi's behalf. It gets rather damning when she gives a miniscule apology, then goes right back to lying about various aspects of her diet WHEN WE HAVE THE PROOF!! If you've read all the threads, then this is not the place to condemn people for being trusting, then ask for them to trust YOU that they are badly behaved. Trust me on this.

Good post, thanx for the advice.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

[...]......
I like to follow meta physics and the universal laws state that you make your own reality. If you allow this to bog you down emotionally, mentally and physically then you are only hurting yourself. In no way is Kimmer going to be harmed because of the negative energy that you have towards her. That negative energy is only going to attract more negative energy.

You know I would buy into you really believing that if you had not come on to this thread with so much negative energy yourself.
Like you said "negative energy is only going to attract more negative energy".
If you truly believe that then one of the following must be true-
-You wanted to attract some negative energy to your negative energy by the wording of your posts when you came into the thread recently.
Because based on what you believe, negative energy given off in a post, would be met by more negative energy coming your way. The members here responded to you as you posted and that is either what you wanted.
OR
You don't actually believe in what you are now preaching to us.
So which is it?

[Baby PHAT]

Originally Posted by Awakened

Actually, I don't have any "negative energy" being sent out towards her. It may seem that way because I am a part of the lawsuit.. but as I stated, my "energy" is all about preventing others from falling into her snares.
When it coes to my actual feelings towards Kimmer... I pray for her. Everyday.

That is one of the points of this thread. We are the empowered ones.

People have needed to vent here, too, and that's a positive thing.

There's a lot of positive here. I don't see how anyone could really say otherwise.

I like to see the positive but I have seen a lot of negativity as well.

[Baby PHAT]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

You know I would buy into you really believing that if you had not come on to this thread with so much negative energy yourself.
Like you said "negative energy is only going to attract more negative energy".
If you truly believe that then one of the following must be true-
-You wanted to attract some negative energy to your negative energy by the wording of your posts when you came into the thread recently.
Because based on what you believe, negative energy given off in a post, would be met by more negative energy coming your way. The members here responded to you as you posted and that is either what you wanted.
OR
You don't actually believe in what you are now preaching to us.
So which is it?

I knew this was coming LOL

I'll admit I was being negative.

[tiggerr]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

The person who made that statement is entitled to their opinion.

I'm done answering you.
Really.

[pooticus]

OK guys, I just started reading the beginning of this thread...do you think she is busting on me with the WonderWoman nick. Do I understand this correctly? That one of her nicknames is WonderWoman? Well this just makes me very annoyed.

[Chelveston]

Lots of good posts before this one, but I don't want to take up a lot of space.

Originally Posted by Tanner

I wonder if we were getting to close some other information when she came it and disrupted the thread? -- what were we talking about?

Originally Posted by MJR

Ok
We got off track around page 6

Kimmers photoshopped front page picture - How did she do it? (Brandon?)
I wonder if Brandon (oops I mean the tech guy) is still sick?
Photoshopped green bracelet possibly covering up old watch
Dennis Sharp - Plumbing - same number & address as Heidi
LLC name found - what is it's meaning?
Kimkins articles (articals) popping up everywhere

Where is Tippy?

Ok guys what am I forgetting?

You seem to have the big points.

The photoshopped pictures are pretty damaging.

What I find most interesting is the LLC "Agent for Service of process"

California Secretary of State - California Business Search - Limited Partnership / Limited Liability Company Search Results

Yucky found some interesting things

LLC? WTH? Kimkins Exhausted ETA (fixed link)


I find the Testimonial from Brian R. Pugh on this page very interesting

Service Of Process Due Diligence On California Corporation : Aaaattorneyservices.com : Ventura County Process Servers

"I've worked with AAA Attorney Services for over 10 years and found their service to be exceptional. I highly recommend them."

Attorney Brian Pugh
Basic Rights Paralegal Services

So who is Brian Pugh?

It looks like Mr. Pugh is not at the address that is listed for him on the CA Secretary of State Site. He supposedly works for AAA & he's giving a Testimonial?

How's that for on topic, folks?

[cgkane]

Originally Posted by AllisonB

We lived in the Kent area until I was 7. I had to walk to school, uphill, barefoot, in the snow.

You forgot "both ways" As in "I walked to school uphill, barefoot in the snow both ways."

Now- back on topic...

I have sat here the past couple of days not saying anything about what has been said. I felt that since I didn't actually pay money, I had nothing to say. But I do. I followed her diet as written on this site. I did research before I decided to try it. At the time, there were no anti-Kimkins sites; only glowing reviews/sites. So I thought "I'll try it; what can I lose?"

Well for one- I have lost quite a bit of hair. Thank goodness I had a lot to begin with or I would more than likely have little bald spots by now.

I became lightheaded, no energy, smelled smoke when there was nothing around on fire or smoking (yes this is a symptom; I'm not the only one who has experienced this), among other things.

I am afraid my thyroid is trashed (Dr will be testing me soon), I have absolutely no energy whatsoever. This is months after I stopped following the plan. And I didn't even follow it to the letter. I could never get the fat down as much as Heidi suggested.

Last, but not least- I am terrified to weigh myself. I am pretty darn sure I have gained back most of what I lost.

Do I take responsibility for my part? Absolutely. How can I not? I made the choice to follow the plan. However- I would have never, ever made that choice if I had known then what I know now. That Heidi is a lying liar who lies. Lies about her successful weight loss and maintenance. Lies about her success stories on her site. Lies about how 'safe' the diet is for diabetics, people with thyroid problems, etc. She needs to be stopped before someone dies from her 'safe' diet.
She took advantage of people who were desperate to lose weight. And for that she needs to pay.

If people call her names and continue to 'obsess' about her; so what? If not for those same people, there would be no re-vamp of her site, trying to make it more acceptable in the eyes of the law. There would be no lawsuit. There would be no national coverage warning others of the dangers of Kimkins. There would be nothing.

I say call her whatever you want; be it a lying liar who lies, a fraud- whatever. She deserves it and a whole lot more for all the pain and suffering others have been through because of her.

[Baby PHAT]

Originally Posted by tiggerr

I'm done answering you.
Really.

I'm sorry Tiggerr but I read that post as a statement and not a question. If she thinks I'm stupid then fine. It doesn't bother me because I know my stance. I've made my point and if you have a specific question for me I will do my best to answer it.