Why the fascination with Kimmer? #10

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by Tooter

That's my Granddaughter, Irelyn! I'm a "Grammy" Now! Thank you, I think she is the Cutest too! lol

She's a doll!! Congrats.

[wifezilla]

Now she owes me 34-cents and I'll get it one way or another!

The way I figure it, the wench owes me $2 (for the Women's World copy)

http://www.youtube.com/v/S2C07yRCdT8&rel=1

I WANT MY $2!!!!

[susique333]

Happy Thanksgiving folks! Gobble til you wobble!

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by airse

I hope Heidi does get what she deserves, but I am afraid that in the end all she will get will be probation. Lawsuits go on for years not months. And in the end all that bottled up anger will just eat away at you. Mel

No bottled up anger here. Angry? Yes. Bottled? No. Taking action took care of that for me. This thread took care of that for me. Had I went from KK to dealing with all this on my own, I'm sure I'd fall into the bottled anger category. Fortunately, it didn't go that way.
I'm also not "out for blood." I want to make sure some other person isn't fearfully waiting on test results, biting their nails for months until they can get into this specialist or that, dealing with losing their hair, damaging their metabolism, risking their health, etc. Stepping back and hoping isn't going to get that accomplished because, believe it or not, there are people out there who really don't know the dangers.

[This time]

Originally Posted by susique333

Happy Thanksgiving folks! Gobble til you wobble!

That is so funny and cute

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by airse

Even though I don`t post very often I feel I must say something. I have followed this board since the very first posting about the kimkins diet, but I have noticed over the last few weeks that this board has turned into a lynch mob. Heidi will eventually have to pay for her part in all of this, and I do hold her responsible for her part in some ofit, ..[...]..
Alot of you people sit there and get upset if someone doesn`t agree with you all, and that is just wrong and There are some people here that are letting this consume there lives. And I am not going to be one of them. I wish everyone all the best, but I really think it is time for everyone to move on with there lives and let the courts take care of Heidi Diaz

A big reason Heidi is going to court now is because of those who are here and have taken a stand against Heidi/Kimmer/Kimkins.com.

The courts didn't go looking for the fraudulent success stories, the courts didn't connect all her aliases we all did and that is the part you seemed to have skimmed over or at least don't appear to recognize.

While, you have moved on in your own way, others of us move on by becoming activist against the wrong. People deal with wrongs in different ways and I am glad that there are those who deal with the wrong by trying to prevent it from happening again instead of "moving on" to allow it to happen to someone else.

Originally Posted by Katinsac

I think those that can "just move on" are living in denial.

Or living in their own world and forgetting how we all should attempt to look at for one another.

Originally Posted by airse

I did not say that Heidi is not responsible, but she is not the only one that should be blamed. How about people owning up to the fact that they are also knew in the back of there minds when they were not feeling well and questioned whether it was the diet or not they kept doing the diet anyway. You are grown women and I don`t see very many of you stepping up. Kimmer did not keep the food from you, you did this on your own I even did this diet but I can`t blame her for everything I blame myself for not questioning the diet more. I also knew that when I posted here I would get torn apart, that just proved to me that you are all out for blood and that in its self is very disturbing.....Mel

People have taken responsibility and shared it here at times, but more on their blogs or at the Kimkins survivors site in their stories.
As far as you being torn apartl; exactly what did you come in the thread and say? Did you come in calling people names like "lynch mob"?
Was the tearing apart the return of the name calling?
Reference please, because I found that most here get what they give and maybe you need to consider that in your accepting of responsibility mentality.

Originally Posted by Dottie

Hey gang!
Just wanted to pop in and wish all of you in the U.S. a Happy Thanksgiving tomorrow

And to mention that there have been a lot of people come to this series of threads who were against "bringing kimmer down" and exposing the stuff going on, but who later changed their minds after reading and debating with you guys... so remember that people who come here and are still 'for' kimmer/kimkins are not necessarily trolls - they're potential allies

Happy Thanksgiving to you and your too Dottie!
In some cases I agree that people can have a change of heart and are coming here to only voice those remaining concerns.
The idea that some could now be coming as allies could very well be true Dottie and I think on the most part as a group we attempt to allow that to be considered. But...and you knew it was coming.....But when someone comes in posting phases such as "bad mouthing", "Lynch mob", "sheep", etc.... I think they need to consider their tone and how it will be perceived.

If they are allies then that is not how to get to any sort of peace agreement. Then after the name calling we do attempt to call them out on it and we are suddenly "attacking", "looking for blood" and they play the pity argument by saying "see how you reacted when I was only going against you?" No it was not the fact that you disagree it was the fact that you were doing it in a personal way.

Any type of debate of the real facts that would result in some sort of agreement is not possible.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by Awakened

I have seen lots of us stepping up and taking responsibility for their actions in all of this. I'm sorry that you haven't seen that. I for one, feel very sorry for my part in all of this, and I have never acted like it was ALL Heidi's fault. There are MANY of us xkimkin's dieters who are taking on tons of guilt and self loathing over falling for her scam. And while I do think it's important to admit that we are mature adults and no one put a gun to our heads and told us to not eat... we also don't need to sit around in 10 threads and get down on ourselves.
It aggravates me to no end that people judge us by saying "you must have been stupid to not recognize how unhealthy it was"... because it has nothing to do with that. The whole reason why this thread is still going is because we dont' want any MORE people to have to later blame themselves for not questioning the diet more. Admitting MY own mistake in this might perhaps PREVENT someone else from making the same mistake.
Shutting up about it will not do anyone any good... except for Heidi.
I don't think you need to feel "torn apart" or as if we're out for blood around here.. this is not about you... this is about exposing Heidi so no more people get the chance to "take responsibility for falling for a scam". Do you think it's okay for her to have the opportunity to trick more people?

Great post!

Originally Posted by Tooter

I am tired of Becky, Christin, and Deni feeling like they need to apologize to everyone. You 3 didn't have the biggest part in this, you were just the most visible. For goodness sake... WE ALL had a part in it. Me? I didn't do anything for years. I just stayed away. (all you need for evil to prevail is for a few good men or women to do NOTHING). After the fascination thread, I was NOT going to shut up. Too many good people were conned and hurt by that woman.

I am, too!

Originally Posted by Dottie

Hey gang!
Just wanted to pop in and wish all of you in the U.S. a Happy Thanksgiving tomorrow

And to mention that there have been a lot of people come to this series of threads who were against "bringing kimmer down" and exposing the stuff going on, but who later changed their minds after reading and debating with you guys... so remember that people who come here and are still 'for' kimmer/kimkins are not necessarily trolls - they're potential allies

Happy Thanksgiving!!
You're right, Dottie.

Originally Posted by CarolynF

NEWSFLASH..

Texas folks (near Austin)..Christin's story with KK will be on the 5:00 news..KVUE (ABC) tonight!!!! 5:00 Central Time..

Also, it will be on the net for the rest of the world to see.. News for Austin, Texas | kvue.com | KVUE News

Hurray!!! We are so proud of our Christin..

Awesome!

Originally Posted by jeanessa

Blaming yourself for falling into the Kimkins scam because you know better is like blaming a kidnapped child for talking to a stranger even though he/she knew better.

Airse, Heidi put a lot of things in place to turn that "inner voice" off for some of us. She set up a website that looked legit, claimed success as a personal testament to the validity of the safety of her plan, claimed the success of others as further validity of the success of her plan, and when a question arose from that "inner voice" that people dared express, she had it deleted or explained it away with false science.

Hindsight is 20/20 and many of us now know not to take a seemingly sincere and intelligent person at his/her word without some solid, valid proof.

Many people who have posted here and been scammed by Heidi have very quietly moved on, which you are free to do at any time. Others do not feel comfortable moving on until the Kimkins site can no longer take the money and health of people like them who are sucked in to the lies that still exist all over the Internet and the Kimkins website. There are still more of us who will not feel comfortable moving on until Heidi Diaz's fate is decided by the legal system.

Fortunately for us all, we get to make the decision to move on for ourselves. Nobody gets to make it for us.

Well said, Jeanessa.

[airse]

Originally Posted by golite

So I guess every time a teacher marked your wrong answer as WRONG, she/he was out for your blood?
You are a bit over dramatic and no matter how many times you make these type of statements, it doesn't make them true.

I find it disturbing that you don't know the difference between disagreements and lynch mobs out for blood.

I hope that you can find healing for whatever happened to you that caused this mentality.

This is what I am talking about. I stated my opinions and all of a sudden my mentality is called in to question. I stated what I feel and I should not be torn up for it. I am sorry if you all feel like I have attacked you but I was stating what I have seen . I am mad at Heidi but me being angry is not going to make this situation go away and it should not for some but I would rather learn from this. So know matter what I say you all are going to disagree with me.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

While, you have moved on in your own way, others of us move on by becoming activist against the wrong. People deal with wrongs in different ways and I am glad that there are those who deal with the wrong by trying to prevent it from happening again instead of "moving on" to allow it to happen to someone else.

Or living in their own world and forgetting how we all should attempt to look at for one another.


People have taken responsibility and shared it here at times, but more on their blogs or at the Kimkins survivors site in their stories.
As far as you being torn apartl; exactly what did you come in the thread and say? Did you come in calling people names like "lynch mob"?
Was the tearing apart the return of the name calling?
Reference please, because I found that most here get what they give and maybe you need to consider that in your accepting of responsibility mentality.
.

ITA, Honey!

[WOOFY]

Airse.....

Thanks for getting all Dr. Phil on us, but get real.

I don't think the anger on this board is misdirected at all. It's one thing to be angry for no reason, but we have a legitimate reason. We have a right to be angry and we have right to challenge the lies and to do what is right. In this case, anger is healthy. I believe a certain son of God cleansed the temple from defilers and did so with a healthy dose of anger and a whip. You dealt with your anger, now allow us to deal with our anger our way.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by airse

This is what I am talking about. I stated my opinions and all of a sudden my mentality is called in to question. I stated what I feel and I should not be torn up for it. I am sorry if you all feel like I have attacked you but I was stating what I have seen . I am mad at Heidi but me being angry is not going to make this situation go away and it should not for some but I would rather learn from this. So know matter what I say you all are going to disagree with me.

Well, exactly what was called into question with those posting when you use the terms; "lynch mob", "attacking", "torn apart", and "out for blood"?

I believe golite was *not* questioning your mental stability if that is your perception of the comment. She is only saying that what in your mind makes those who don't agree with allow you to label them as attacking and allows you to label yourself as a victim?

Because all of those phrases makes you a victim and a helpless one at that. Is that the role you like to play or what is reasoning for taking that position here and also when dealing with Kimmer?

Have you taken a stand in any way against Heidi Diaz?
Have you signed the petition to get her investigated?
Have you filed a negative BBB review?
Have you signed up for the lawsuit?
All those things may help you in truly moving on and realize that by doing those things we all here all not saying we not have some responsibility we are only saying that Heidi has a greater responsibility and we are not going to be her Victims!

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by airse

This is what I am talking about. I stated my opinions and all of a sudden my mentality is called in to question. I stated what I feel and I should not be torn up for it. I am sorry if you all feel like I have attacked you but I was stating what I have seen . I am mad at Heidi but me being angry is not going to make this situation go away and it should not for some but I would rather learn from this. So know matter what I say you all are going to disagree with me.

Oh, we've all "learned from this," I'm sure. I know I have. You say you stated your opinions and were torn up. I disagree. You can state without name calling. What was your objective with the use of the term "lynch mob?" Let me ask you this like I asked another poster but did not get a response ... how would you have done this if the responsibility of it fell on your shoulders?

[buzzybee]

following snipped for space:

Originally Posted by Katinsac

You people who do not agree with what is going on here are welcome to come voice your opinions, say why you disagree with us and even tell us why you think we are wrong in our fight against someone who has hurt so many people with a WOE that causes problems for many. You do not need to call us names. We are fighting for something we believe in and if we are correct, the courts will prevail.

I couldn't agree more!!!

[airse]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Well, exactly what was called into question with those posting when you use the terms; "lynch mob", "attacking", "torn apart", and "out for blood"?

I believe golite was *not* questioning your mental stability if that is your perception of the comment. She is only saying that what in your mind makes those who don't agree with allow you to label them as attacking and allows you to label yourself as a victim?

Because all of those phrases makes you a victim and a helpless one at that. Is that the role you like to play or what is reasoning for taking that position here and also when dealing with Kimmer?

Have you taken a stand in any way against Heidi Diaz?
Have you signed the petition to get her investigated?
Have you filed a negative BBB review?
Have you signed up for the lawsuit?
All those things may help you in truly moving on and realize that by doing those things we all here all not saying we not have some responsibility we are only saying that Heidi has a greater responsibility and we are not going to be her Victims!

Yes I have done all of that. I may have been out of line by saying lynch mob or out for blood, but stating ones opinion on something should not be a bad thing on this board.. I have done this diet and I know what it feels like to not feel good.I have read everything on Heidi or Kimmer so I am not totally in the dark. But I was saying what I felt. And I was basically told that my way of thinking is wrong.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Well, exactly what was called into question with those posting when you use the terms; "lynch mob", "attacking", "torn apart", and "out for blood"?

Airse, you get one "mentality" response and you're upset but you don't seem to find any fault with your own behavior. Why are you alright with your use of the above terms when posting to others here and yet so easily offended? It appears to me that you hold yourself to one set of standards while holding others to a much higher set. Just for s**ts and giggles, try this. Put my name in place of yours in the posts you've made on this board and put yourself on the receiving end of them. How does that make you feel?

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by airse

Yes I have done all of that. I may have been out of line by saying lynch mob or out for blood, but stating ones opinion on something should not be a bad thing on this board.. I have done this diet and I know what it feels like to not feel good.I have read everything on Heidi or Kimmer so I am not totally in the dark. But I was saying what I felt. And I was basically told that my way of thinking is wrong.

I'm glad you feel it was out of line. I don't think anyone attacked you but debated with you/ stated their POVs. And when you came in you stated your way of thinking and told us we were wrong for ours. I guess what upsets me the most if that you want for yourself a courtesy that you are not willing to give to others. You're saying you were upset because you were told your way of thinking was wrong but you don't hold yourself accountable for telling everyone else here that they were wrong. Do you see what I'm saying?

[Katinsac]

Airse, if I'm reading your post correct, you agree with "why" we are doing what we are doing as far as the WOE not being good and causing problems but you do not agree with our method? Correct? You apology for the name calling is accepted.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by airse

Yes I have done all of that. I may have been out of line by saying lynch mob or out for blood, but stating ones opinion on something should not be a bad thing on this board.. I have done this diet and I know what it feels like to not feel good.I have read everything on Heidi or Kimmer so I am not totally in the dark. But I was saying what I felt. And I was basically told that my way of thinking is wrong.

I am happy to read that you did take a stand against Kimmer.
As far as you being told you were wrong in your thinking it depends on which thinking you are referring to here-
I think it was said you were wrong in how you were labeling the group and their motives, not from having a different opinion in how kimmer should be brought to justice. Two different concepts and different arguments.

I also see where people told you that you had a right to your opinion and stated that is was different from their own, but that you had a right to it none the same.
I think if you set out to say that your point was to say that you have spoke out against Heidi and have taken a stand against her, but would like to see the thread no longer continuing, the response would have been about the same in arguing against how it should remain. But by adding the personal labeling and jabs people also defended their past actions as well as questioned yours.

Two different things are being debated, but if your main focus is debating if the thread should continue then I would say yes.
Kimmer is over at kimkins now posting and using manipulated pictures to show 'success' in her diet. This is an ongoing problem.
Kimmer is still advertising on the internet and adding new marketing venues daily to her internet scam.
SO as long as the website is up and running then I feel the thread on those posting on the thread should continue.
Why do you feel it should not and now only be left up to the court?

[golite]

Originally Posted by airse

This is what I am talking about. I stated my opinions and all of a sudden my mentality is called in to question. I stated what I feel and I should not be torn up for it. I am sorry if you all feel like I have attacked you but I was stating what I have seen . I am mad at Heidi but me being angry is not going to make this situation go away and it should not for some but I would rather learn from this. So know matter what I say you all are going to disagree with me.

Look at what you wrote, is this not playing the perpetual victim?
Are you a victim every time someone disagrees with you?
Why is stating that you have a "frame of mind" about something, tearing you apart? I'm not talking about your sanity, no one is calling you crazy.
Something has caused you to not know the difference between a disagreement and an attack.
You disagree with me and I don't feel attacked.

[CJane]

Originally Posted by eggonmyface

I've been assigned to the snow belt of OH. I will return to southern VA in the spring. I ski at Rabbit Run so I am all over the NE. My favorite city to shop is outside Detriot---I'm waiting for the after Xmas sales. Hope to meet some of you. Maybe the thought of meeting some of you will make me keep my weigh down. I eat soooo much, so thank God for Dr. A.

Hey, egg, I'm in Ohio . If we're close enough, we sure could do lunch!