Why the fascination with Kimmer? #10

[Katinsac]

I just love that "lynch mob" comment. Maybe when you have health problems from choosing that WOE you will feel a little different. If you have read ALL the threads you know where we are coming from and WHY we are fighting the fight.

Yes, I chose that WOE and yes, I did lose some. I never knew about VLCDs before, all I knew was Atkins. As I do not like veggies, I thought the K way would be a nice way to lose a few pounds fast.

However, I am not a stupid woman. I had problems with Heidi right in the beginning and realized something was not right with her, nor the diet. So I pulled away. Once the health problems started, I was more than convinced there was something wrong with this WOE.

With all the information that has been put out there about her I do not understand how anyone cannot want her brought to justice and her site shut down for the harm it can do to people. Even with their "clean up" due to THIS SITE, it is still not a healthy WOE. They are still secretly pushing the "old diet ways" (how else can you lose a pound a day?...oh yeah, starvation!).

You people who do not agree with what is going on here are welcome to come voice your opinions, say why you disagree with us and even tell us why you think we are wrong in our fight against someone who has hurt so many people with a WOE that causes problems for many. You do not need to call us names. We are fighting for something we believe in and if we are correct, the courts will prevail.

If it wasn't for these passionate people here and all the hours they put in to prove that Ms Heidi scammed millions of people, there would be no news stories and civil suit. We are not haters. I actually admire Heidi. I think she is one smart lady. Just sorry she got greedy and took advantage of a lot of people who were vulnerable at wanting to lose weight fast.

Oh, and for those of you who did lose a lot of weight on this WOE...good luck at keeping it off. I do nothing different than I ever have and I am gaining it back. Several gain it back with the first bite off the plan!!

So please read all the threads, digest the information and if you still feel we are not right in our fight, then yes, please come and tell us why and what you would have done differently.

[Katinsac]

HB....miss the blue hair! lol

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by airse

Even though I don`t post very often I feel I must say something. I have followed this board since the very first posting about the kimkins diet, but I have noticed over the last few weeks that this board has turned into a lynch mob. Heidi will eventually have to pay for her part in all of this, and I do hold her responsible for her part in some ofit, but I hold my self more responsible than her. I Chose to do this diet, I Chose not to eat, I Chose to continue this diet even though in my mind I knew it was harmful to me. I really don`t see many posts about everyone stepping up and owning there responsiblities in this mess. Alot of you people sit there and get upset if someone doesn`t agree with you all, and that is just wrong and There are some people here that are letting this consume there lives. And I am not going to be one of them. I wish everyone all the best, but I really think it is time for everyone to move on with there lives and let the courts take care of Heidi Diaz

I remember the same thing said in the First "Fascination" thread. Had we listened then, there never would have been the "Court" thing, now would there?

Personal responsibility? Well, that would be personal, wouldn't it? I think there has been alot of people who have "Shared" that with all of us. Becky, Christin, Deni and many more. That doesn't change the fact that what Heidi has done (and is doing) is Fraud, now does it? So, what's your point?

As to people still talking about it in these threads, there are still things being uncovered and people still need time to "Heal". It's a process. Denial, Anger, disbelief, grief, acceptance.

No one is stopping you from moving on. Why ask everyone else to? If you truly were ready to move on...Wouldn't you just do it, without your other comments. You wouldn't care what everyone else was doing.

JMHI

[Mayberryfan]

airse ~ Lighten up, girl. We're just having fun while trying to HELP people who, like myself, fell for Heidi's con job.

Last time I checked, it was okay to call out a criminal for their rotten behavior, and Heidi is a criminal. That's the truth whether you like hearing it or not.

The whole "lynch mob" argument is tired and completely inaccurate. Get over it, would you?

[evewitch]

I just wanted to point out that the "laxative abuse" is not in our imaginations. Sure, Heidi and the others would discuss psyllium husks, with the constant reminder to count the carbs!

Dosage Information
Many experts recommend one to two teaspoons of ground psyllium seeds mixed with eight ounces of water. It is usually taken one to three times per day. For constipation, psyllium is usually taken in the early evening to stimulate a bowel movement the following morning.

- taken from About . com
I don't know how much Heidi recommends (I don't recall her actually recommending this, only the hard-core laxatives.) However, according to fitday, there are about 2.26 g of carbohydrates per teaspoon of psyllium. This would certainly squeeze out any healthy vegetables from the starvation plan, if taken in a dose that would actually help constipation.

Don't forget, also, that Heidi's recommendations never had anything to do with true constipation. It was just another way to make sure you saw a scale loss every day, without the added weight of poop lodged in your gut. Bulimia, anyone? (And psyllium wouldn't help with this true agenda.)

[ketosis]

The nasty voice inside of me wishes that this were a true lynch mob because the problem would be over then and we could all move on. (PS this is a joke people so lighten up ok)

But as soon as the pressure is off she will revert to her criminal ways again. If the evidence were not there the lawsuit would not been underway.

It is because of anger and guilt that the information has gotten out and the voice to stop Heidi Diaz has grown loud enough to be heard.

Moving on and healing is very personal. I suggest it is proportionate to the level of hurt you endured. Some in this thread experienced a great deal of physical and emotional damage, some not so much.

But again everyone heals in a different way. To suggest that it is time to move on may seem like caring advice but I guarantee that if the efort to keep the flame under Heidi's toes were diminished even a tiny bit the lies and fraud would would increase immediately again.

She has proven she has no other method of behaviour.

I also believe she is on to her next and newest scam already while keeping KK on life support.

Recovery with support is what I see in this thread, as well as humour, venting, sharing and information. Everyone heals when they are ready.

[HBGal]

Originally Posted by Tooter

That's my Granddaughter, Irelyn! I'm a "Grammy" Now! Thank you, I think she is the Cutest too! lol

Oh, I love that name! It's so pretty, and so is she.

Originally Posted by Katinsac

HB....miss the blue hair! lol

The blue hair was fun. I looked like an underground club kid, LOL.

[airse]

Originally Posted by Jazlyn

This is entirely my opinion and I don't begrudge anyone their own. I am sick of people saying that the victim is responsible for what they did. Heidi said she lost a huge amount of weight in a small amount of time. She said she kept it off for 5 years. She proved it by showing pictures and being in a magazine.

She wasn't just someone who started a website. She practiced her craft on many of us for years. She had research (I assumed) to back up her statements, such as we carry a bunch of fat around on us so we don't need to eat, exercize does no good, we don't need water etc.

When someone is living proof of something, trusting people take it at face value. She must know what she is talking about. She did it. She didn't have any ill side effects. She was featured in a magazine.

Yes we are responsible for our actions, but as trusting people, WE WERE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. I even thought the after pictures were of her. Someone lying like she did was beyond my comprehension.

I have never had the misfortune of being scammed. Yes, now I will be more careful but I don't think I'm an idiot for trusting someone.

I did not say that Heidi is not responsible, but she is not the only one that should be blamed. How about people owning up to the fact that they are also knew in the back of there minds when they were not feeling well and questioned whether it was the diet or not they kept doing the diet anyway. You are grown women and I don`t see very many of you stepping up. Kimmer did not keep the food from you, you did this on your own I even did this diet but I can`t blame her for everything I blame myself for not questioning the diet more. I also knew that when I posted here I would get torn apart, that just proved to me that you are all out for blood and that in its self is very disturbing.....Mel

[SMP]

Originally Posted by airse

Even though I don`t post very often I feel I must say something. I have followed this board since the very first posting about the kimkins diet, but I have noticed over the last few weeks that this board has turned into a lynch mob. Heidi will eventually have to pay for her part in all of this, and I do hold her responsible for her part in some ofit, but I hold my self more responsible than her. I Chose to do this diet, I Chose not to eat, I Chose to continue this diet even though in my mind I knew it was harmful to me. I really don`t see many posts about everyone stepping up and owning there responsiblities in this mess. Alot of you people sit there and get upset if someone doesn`t agree with you all, and that is just wrong and There are some people here that are letting this consume there lives. And I am not going to be one of them. I wish everyone all the best, but I really think it is time for everyone to move on with there lives and let the courts take care of Heidi Diaz

I still read here daily, but now I have more time for my Real Life. I do not agree with any lynch mob mentality, and I'm not afraid to say so. But I'm also not in charge of other people's consciences, nor did Kimmer ever get the chance to do me actual harm. Therefore, I'm a little more forgiving than someone still fighting off the ill effects of following her advice. But I'm here, not to lynch Heidi, but to support those who are stopping Heidi from dispensing lies and dangerous advice by counteracting her voluminous advertising. I agree that it's now up to the courts - but they would have nothing to go on w/o the lawsuit started by defrauded complainants here. So here is where Kimmer began, and hopefully, from here is where she will end. Please note I said Kimmer, not Heidi. Heidi may have a future with orange and bars in it.

[Katinsac]

mel...gotta love ya! I do take responsibility for myself. I kick myself in the behind every day for being so gullable and stupid but that doesn't stop me from wanting to save someone else for falling for her scam. Nice seeing you again.

ETA: And every day I see the handfull of hair come out, I kick myself again!!

[airse]

Originally Posted by SMP

I still read here daily, but now I have more time for my Real Life. I do not agree with any lynch mob mentality, and I'm not afraid to say so. But I'm also not in charge of other people's consciences, nor did Kimmer ever get the chance to do me actual harm. Therefore, I'm a little more forgiving than someone still fighting off the ill effects of following her advice. But I'm here, not to lynch Heidi, but to support those who are stopping Heidi from dispensing lies and dangerous advice by counteracting her voluminous advertising. I agree that it's now up to the courts - but they would have nothing to go on w/o the lawsuit started by defrauded complainants here. So here is where Kimmer began, and hopefully, from here is where she will end. Please note I said Kimmer, not Heidi. Heidi may have a future with orange and bars in it.

I hope Heidi does get what she deserves, but I am afraid that in the end all she will get will be probation. Lawsuits go on for years not months. And in the end all that bottled up anger will just eat away at you. Mel

[HBGal]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

mel...gotta love ya! I do take responsibility for myself. I kick myself in the behind every day for being so gullable and stupid but that doesn't stop me from wanting to save someone else for falling for her scam. Nice seeing you again.

ETA: And every day I see the handfull of hair come out, I kick myself again!!

Exactly!

I hope your hair stops falling out soon, sweeite. Mine finally did, at least not as much anyway.

[Katinsac]

Thanks, HB...that is good news. I finally went out and got the biotin so let's hope. I now have about half of what I started with. very depressing!

[Rose1271]

Originally Posted by airse

I hope Heidi does get what she deserves, but I am afraid that in the end all she will get will be probation. Lawsuits go on for years not months. And in the end all that bottled up anger will just eat away at you. Mel

Nothing like a little negativity to encourage those trying to get better and to make a difference in this world.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by airse

I did not say that Heidi is not responsible, but she is not the only one that should be blamed. How about people owning up to the fact that they are also knew in the back of there minds when they were not feeling well and questioned whether it was the diet or not they kept doing the diet anyway. You are grown women and I don`t see very many of you stepping up. Kimmer did not keep the food from you, you did this on your own I even did this diet but I can`t blame her for everything I blame myself for not questioning the diet more. I also knew that when I posted here I would get torn apart, that just proved to me that you are all out for blood and that in its self is very disturbing.....Mel

Mel, when the promised weight loss shows up, that validates the diet and by extension, its founder. When real success stories in the first throes of enthusiasm show up, that's additional validation. When a warm caring person is validated by keeping one or two promises made in the beginning, aren't you apt to give her the benefit of the doubt when your own misgivings start to surface? To this day, the first person I blame for bad results is MYSELF! After all, my previous failures meant that the fault lay with me, right? So when Heidi's true nature showed she wasn't as warm and caring as you'd thought, your first instinct likely was to think you had misunderstood her. And her minions popping in to support her could make you feel like you were in the wrong. But imagine the feelings of BETRAYAL when the one saying -Do this - was revealed to have never done it, lied, cheated, defrauded and worst of all, insulted those who confessed to inability to Do As She Had Done! "Hypocrite" is not strong enough for the betrayed. And I don't say this to tear you apart - it's a plea for understanding others who are more trusting than you. Betrayal does tend to lead to vindictiveness in most cases. Sadly that's just human nature.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by Rose1271

Nothing like a little negativity to encourage those trying to get better and to make a difference in this world.

In fact, that is probably realistic, Rosie. Lawsuits do take years, in many cases. But as I have no bottled up anger (nothing to bottle that posting here hasn't taken care of ), I'm not a victim and Heidi has no further hold on me, now or in the future.

[Katinsac]

lawsuits do usually take years but due to the danger in this, it has been put on fast track so i don't think this one will take that long....

[Jazlyn]

It's not just about the lawsuit either. It's about keeping people from joining. One little blurp about it somewhere isn't going to be found or have any impact on someone thinking about kimmer's diet. People (like me) need proof and a lot of it. Kimmer is very convincing. Every message board or blog out there is helping someone.

[Caro]

i just wanna ask one question.. how come tippy's health is never questioned?? i mean i know that while she was in a certain thread she spoke of how she had been diagnosed with thyroid problems, had severe kidney/bladder problems.. and the fact that she had injections to help get rid of the fat on her thighs and butt?

im just wondering..

[eggonmyface]

Reading the post on this page gave me a thought: I want to be an accepted member of this thread and since I am a bit shy, let me be the first to invite anyone travelling in the NE this winter to have lunch with me. I've got plenty of before pics and I am the proof of the after.
On a more serious note, it is hard to trust and to move on because this is my life and my health---kimmer wronged us.

[Mayberryfan]

Kat ~

I was losing hair, not clumps, but lots of shedding all over my head about 6-7 wks on KK's and that's when I took responsibility for myself and changed to a different program

Anyway, I began taking biotin and lecithin around the beginning of September, along with consistently eating 1100-1400 calories per day and the shedding stopped. Just last night I pulled my bangs back and took a close view of my hairline in the magnifying mirror and I've got new hairs sprouting out by the dozens!

Hang in there, girl. Everything will be fine!

[Awakened]

Originally Posted by airse

I did not say that Heidi is not responsible, but she is not the only one that should be blamed. How about people owning up to the fact that they are also knew in the back of there minds when they were not feeling well and questioned whether it was the diet or not they kept doing the diet anyway. You are grown women and I don`t see very many of you stepping up. Kimmer did not keep the food from you, you did this on your own I even did this diet but I can`t blame her for everything I blame myself for not questioning the diet more. I also knew that when I posted here I would get torn apart, that just proved to me that you are all out for blood and that in its self is very disturbing.....Mel

I have seen lots of us stepping up and taking responsibility for their actions in all of this. I'm sorry that you haven't seen that. I for one, feel very sorry for my part in all of this, and I have never acted like it was ALL Heidi's fault. There are MANY of us xkimkin's dieters who are taking on tons of guilt and self loathing over falling for her scam. And while I do think it's important to admit that we are mature adults and no one put a gun to our heads and told us to not eat... we also don't need to sit around in 10 threads and get down on ourselves.
It aggravates me to no end that people judge us by saying "you must have been stupid to not recognize how unhealthy it was"... because it has nothing to do with that. The whole reason why this thread is still going is because we dont' want any MORE people to have to later blame themselves for not questioning the diet more. Admitting MY own mistake in this might perhaps PREVENT someone else from making the same mistake.
Shutting up about it will not do anyone any good... except for Heidi.
I don't think you need to feel "torn apart" or as if we're out for blood around here.. this is not about you... this is about exposing Heidi so no more people get the chance to "take responsibility for falling for a scam". Do you think it's okay for her to have the opportunity to trick more people?

[Katinsac]

egg...shy or not, you have always been an accepted member of this thread. You comments are welcome and what a nice offer. I live on the West Coast and do not travel but you never know, lol. congratulations on your success...I'm still trying to figure it out, lol.

As far at TT goes...I do not know the lady or her health problems but as she is NOT doing KK, she will probably not have any additional problems. She seems to be doing Atkins to maintain. Do you really think she'd admit to any additional problems if she had them?