Why the fascination with Kimmer? #10

[EasyPeas]

Thread hi-jack here Woofie... I just wanted to personally thank you for the posts you made regarding the photo-shop edits to that silly picture of Heidi Diaz on the Kimkins home page. I appreciated your input, as it's something you're knowledgeable about.

[kakay]

Let me get this straight. This thread is full of the lynch mob and ready to hang some one on a tree. HMM! Very interesting. SO babyphat, can I ask why you came to this thread? Was it to be a lynch mob against those who innocently fell into kimmers trap? It was you who said they did it to them selves for not researching before doing the diet. Sounds to me as tho you are ready to hang them on the next tree.

[Baby PHAT]

Originally Posted by CJane

Oh, and one more thing...before I hit the hay...

Put away the straw man Baby PHAT, and then we'll all talk.

Straw man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I had to look that up.

So you are saying that I'm starting a debate on purpose? LOL the only reason I came to this site was because I saw Kimkins on the cover of a magazine not too long ago and I was interested in what the board thought about it. And low and behold Kimmer was all a scam.

The whole thing is interesting in the least.

Not only is there a whole section but multiple threads, blogs, video's and so on because this woman pulled the wool over everyone's eyes.

[Baby PHAT]

Originally Posted by kakay

Let me get this straight. This thread is full of the lynch mob and ready to hang some one on a tree. HMM! Very interesting. SO babyphat, can I ask why you came to this thread? Was it to be a lynch mob against those who innocently fell into kimmers trap? It was you who said they did it to them selves for not researching before doing the diet. Sounds to me as tho you are ready to hang them on the next tree.

Sarcasm aside...

So you are telling me that a woman on the internet has the power to force people into doing something without researching it first?

You guys are acting like I'm an advocate for scam artists. LOL no, I'm on your side. You are all misinterpreting what I'm saying.

When I say lynch mob mentality, what I'm speaking of is people who follow the leader. People who are easily manipulated and all too willingly fall into a trap. Exposing Kimmer is one thing but the constant speculation and analyzing and name calling is juvenile.

And of course it's my opinon, that's obvious. I typed it and I meant it.

Everyone is trying to convince me that Kimmer is wrong and that the way things are being handled are justified. Not one person has addressed the real matter that I have brought up and that is the fact that as a group you are throwing stones and judging a person.

The path to hell is paved with good intentions. Let the person without sin throw the first stone. And thou shalt not judge, lest ye be judged.

And of course in essence I am judging people too, with that having been said, I believe that there is a much more mature and legal way that this can be handled.

[Baby PHAT]

Originally Posted by eggonmyface

Hi Baby Phat,
First let me say that I am a fan of Kimora Simmons, so I like the name you have chosen. There is something about your posts and your attitude that reminds me of myself, say until 2004 when I decided to let God have a crack at helping me take off the weight. Yes I was 270 lbs and I am short. Okay, back to my point. Back in those days, I rejoiced when other people lost weight and then gained it back, or even worst when reports came out claiming that the diet woe was found harmful.

For example, Fen/Phen, Atkins, Stillman or even the liquid diets. You see Phat, as a bright woman I thought that some of us unlucky folks should just shut up and just be "happy" fat folks, it was what God has chosen for us! I was of course, well trained in my profession, lived a comfortable life and oh yes, a secret hater.

The young ladies in question are doing everything right. Yes, they look beautiful, but they have/are suffering. I am overjoyed that their weight came off at such an early age so that their lives won't be bitter--not like the person I was.

Kimmer is wrong. I never used her diet plan but I did use her as a model for no exercise. The results for me will be a long stay in Brazil with a great plastic surgeon. Even with all of that, I have regained my joy back and bitterness does not know my name. I'm a team player and I like the people at this forum, always loving and always there for me.

I hope you will join us more often and find the help you need to take off your pounds. We are good people and we are also united people.

I doubt very seriously after tonight I will be back for a while.

[EasyPeas]

BabyPHAT, personally I wouldn't begin to guess the reason you came to this thread. I will say this though...

If you say something I disagree with, I will speak up. My intention isn't to attack you, lynch you, hang you from a tree, gang up on you, <insert whatever other "victimology term" you wish>....

If you feel my disagreement with you is attacking you, then that is something you'll have to deal with. I can't control if you choose to feel like a victim.

Bottom line, if you say something I disagree with, I will speak up. After all... you wouldn't want me to pretend to agree when I didn't, would you? I mean.... you wouldn't want me to lie...? Why then I'd be right down in the pond scum with .... Kimmer! And Heidi Diaz!

[Baby PHAT]

Originally Posted by EasyPeas

BabyPHAT, personally I wouldn't begin to guess the reason you came to this thread. I will say this though...

If you say something I disagree with, I will speak up. My intention isn't to attack you, lynch you, hang you from a tree, gang up on you, <insert whatever other "victimology term" you wish>....

If you feel my disagreement with you is attacking you, then that is something you'll have to deal with. I can't control if you choose to feel like a victim.

Bottom line, if you say something I disagree with, I will speak up. After all... you wouldn't want me to pretend to agree when I didn't, would you? I mean.... you wouldn't want me to lie...? Why then I'd be right down in the pond scum with .... Kimmer!

So now I'm playing the victim? ha ha My feelings aren't hurt.

The whole strategy of a group is to weed out the people who don't think like them.

There is nothing wrong with giving an opinion on something but honestly can you say that all these posts are just opinons? They seem more like attacks to me.

Is calling someone a lying liar who lies an adult way to speak of someone?

Easypeas you disagree with my opinion that everyone on here is attacking Kimmer? Or do you think the attack is justified because she scammed everyone?

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by ketosis

Sorry for feeding the troll everyone.

But they are such cute creatures. One just can not help, but indulge them with a morsel or two.

Originally Posted by WOOFY

Baby Phat, what do you expect? Honestly.....

Your complete attention?

Originally Posted by ketosis

Yet when anyone else states a fact they are ganging up and it is a lynch mob?

Yes - this is a way for a person to not discuss the issue or points. They attempt to prove that the points must not be valid based solely on who is making the points. So instead of discussing the topic they attack the person making the argument instead of disproving the argument. Also known as Argumentum ad hominem (argument directed at the person). Labeling us a lynch mob doesn't change the facts presented against Kimmer/Heidi Diaz and it is not a valid point proving them incorrect either.

Originally Posted by Katinsac

ITA, Princess

I will add an ITA and I will see you a big hug!

Originally Posted by Princess Dieter

..[...]...
So, venting aside, it has served a very useful purpose. Easy for the ones who did squat to criticize, I think.

And I"m with Woofy (hugs, baby): HEIDI DIAZ MUST FALL.

Hi Princess you have been missed and I hope all is well in your kingdom.

Originally Posted by Leashy

I didn't think this thread was a debate about who's at fault?
Is it really bothering you that much, baby, that there's 10 threads about this 'whole kimmer mess'? I don't get why you're here actually.

You are right Leashy it's not. But when a point can't be made to support Kimmer the only other tactic is logical fallacy.

Originally Posted by CJane

"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."

Goodnight, all! Early day tomorrow.

Wait CJane don't you want to stick around for another round of Distract and Divert?
I have a feeling someone's Halcyon (Halcion) may be out of refills.

Originally Posted by kakay

Let me get this straight. This thread is full of the lynch mob and ready to hang some one on a tree. HMM! Very interesting. SO babyphat, can I ask why you came to this thread? Was it to be a lynch mob against those who innocently fell into kimmers trap? It was you who said they did it to them selves for not researching before doing the diet. Sounds to me as tho you are ready to hang them on the next tree.

I guess the victims committed suicide and those who speak out for the victims commit homicide in this forest of trees on lynch mob hill.

*BlueBrooke* don't stay away so long next time.

[EasyPeas]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

So now I'm playing the victim? ha ha My feelings aren't hurt.

The whole strategy of a group is to weed out the people who don't think like them.

There is nothing wrong with giving an opinion on something but honestly can you say that all these posts are just opinons? They seem more like attacks to me.

Is calling someone a lying liar who lies an adult way to speak of someone?

Easypeas you disagree with my opinion that everyone on here is attacking Kimmer? Or do you think the attack is justified because she scammed everyone?

BabyPHAT, in a word, yes I disagree with much of what you are saying, in part because I notice you used lots of "universal' and "blanket" statements.

For instance... I do not agree with the premise that "The whole strategy of a group is to weed out the people who don't think like them." Broad, universal statement. Which group? Where? All groups? Some groups? A few groups?

As to these posts being opinions... yes, for the most part they are. I think these posts in this thread... like many other posts in many other threads, are composed of many opinions of many individuals, some who happen to agree, some who don't. I would add that in addition to many personal opinions about Kimmer/Kimkins/Heidi Diaz, many proven facts have been presented here as well. Facts such as how she lied about her weight loss. And how she lied about the so-callled success stories. And many other facts you will read if you care to go back through previous Fascination threads.

So, they seem like attacks to you? Well, that's your opinion. They do not seem like attacks to me. That's my opinon. We disagree. See how easy that was?

As to your statement "Is calling someone a lying liar who lies an adult way to speak of someone?" You tell me. What's your opinion? My opinion is that some of the people here are quite angry about Kimkins/Kimmer/Heidi Diaz, and if they want to call her a "lying liar who lies", they have that right.

And finally, I certainly do disagree with your opinion that "everyone on here is attacking Kimmer". Not everyone here is attacking Kimmer. Take yourself for instance. You are not attacking her. So not "everyone on here is attacking Kimmer."

[Princess Dieter]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

How many times have I been told to get out of the thread?

Only because you made clear the threads are distasteful to you. If someone came to my house for supper, and what I served wasn't to their liking, and all they did was complain, I'd suggest they go eat somewhere else.

You came here to push buttons and complain. Well, you pushed them and people decided not to shut up and take it.

What's wrong with THAT? That's not a lynch mob. No one's dead. No one is stalking you. No one is calling up death threats.

We just said, "Um, well, here's why the thread is here and why it's multiple-folders." WE gave answers; you gave judgment and attitude. And if some gave attitude back, it was merely returning your serve in kind.

And yes. You pulled the victim card out fast. And the judgment card. And the criticism. For someone just dropping in, you attitude was intended to provoke. Surprise, it did. People have a right to speak up when backhanded. Now, you play innocent. You cast the first stone here. You got some back.

Never mind how without reading the threads you have any real idea of what went on. The consolations, the angst expressed, the advice given to the confused, the help given to the distaught, the fun time of camaraderie, the prayers offered, the cheers given, the dissent allowed to be expressed (and debated as needed). No, you made a snap judgment, as you yourself admitted you haven't read the threads.

I've read them all. I know that the hearts of most are in a very good place. The effort put out has been fueled by anger, vented with humor and silliness, but ultimately is very serious and for a good purpose.

[Princess Dieter]

Originally Posted by EasyPeas

As to your statement "Is calling someone a lying liar who lies an adult way to speak of someone?" You tell me. What's your opinion? My opinion is that some of the people here are quite angry about Kimkins/Kimmer/Heidi Diaz, and if they want to call her a "lying liar who lies", they have that right.

And finally, I certainly do disagree with your opinion that "everyone on here is attacking Kimmer". Not everyone here is attacking Kimmer. Take yourself for instance. You are not attacking her. So not "everyone on here is attacking Kimmer."

The comfort of antic humor eludes Baby Phat.

Kimkinites have posted here. And yes, we even sided with SingingLass (a Kimkins administrator and Kimmer-prop) when she got nasty and threatening calls. We agreed it was wrong. We let her come here and vent and sympathized. Others have offered dissent, but just cause the opinion dissents doesn't mean it gets to stand there, all shiny and without a countering view.

No one gets a free pass, not even prime blogger Ducky (who was called out for some stuff).

Let the silly humor live on. IT's therapeutic.

And those who don't get it: tough. Nothing's for everyone.

This is clearly an Anti-Kimmer thread. What a surprise that those who are out to expose her gather here. hahaha.

[Diana]

Originally Posted by beckynett

Let me also say my issue is not Kimmer's size. This is a weight loss site. Kimkins is a weight loss site. We are all here because we are or were heavy. So, I have no issue with someone being overweight, or losing and regaining. It is a struggle we all share, to some extent.

My issue is that she has deliberately lied with intent to defraud, and that she CONTINUES to lie for profit, even in her so-called 'confession'. That is illegal.

She never reached goal. She admits to only losing 100 lbs. which would have left her still over 200 lbs.
Then, she admits she cannot and has not ever maintained. So, that must mean she did NOT maintain even the the 100 lb. loss for all these 5 or 6 years she claimed, and then regain it since the magazine. No, she was actually regaining the weight while she was still here, presiding over the 'Ask Kimmer' thread. She was morbidly obese when she started Kimkins, and has been the whole time. I believe she was bigger than her previous high of 317.

That is not an 'oops - my bad'. That is a crime.

Even if she had regained it all since the magazine came out, that in itself would speak a warning about the rebound gain of someone who has damaged her metabolism severely, maybe beyond repair, with Kimkins.

It appears she started losing when the PI pics outed her.

It is not easy for anyone to lose a lot of weight and maintain. I know that.

Yet, quite a few people here on this site and at other good low-carb sites have done it the right way.

I hope it goes as well for those of us who have done Kimkins --- but, that's not what I have seen so far.

I agree 110%. She is still frauding and lying to people and again they are falling for it. When will they learn? She is a scam artist, they neverstop scanning until they are 6ft under

[Smythe]

baby phat-
I understand where you're coming from...I think. What I don't think you understand is all the hard work that came from the very active folks on this thread to investigate Kimmer and uncover all the crazy stuff she did. People are hurt, angry and yes want to see her pay. They were duped...to the tune of $60. That's not chump change for some people. Without these threads, many of the discoveries may have been left uncovered. People want their work to worth something. These are good people here. I was not involved w/ the kimkins website but I remeber her from long ago on this site. She has hurt a lot of people some phyisically some emotionally and they are holding her accountable. Perhaps not being directly involved causes a lack of understanding about the need to see her brought to justice.
I visit this thread because I am fascinated that her website is still up and running and she still has followers. I am also in awe of the folks here who have spent some much time and energy in their attempt to uncover her lies. I find it all....well fascinating. So kudos to the sleuths of LCF....I am amazed and impressed...and I am sorry that you were taken in by this very ill woman!

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

Nope you are telling me to stay out of the thread because I don't agree with the way the problem is being handled.

I waited to read a bit before replying. Usually, my point is already made by someone else by the time I catch up. But now I'd like to ask a question. Since you do not agree with how this is being handled I'd like to know how YOU think it should have been/be done. I'd like to know how YOU would have done it if this were completely your responsibility. From start to finish, please.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

Because last time I checked I have the right to speak as I please.

And obviously I haven't made my point clear because you are all ready to hang me on the next tree.

I agree. You have every right to speak as you please, as does everyone else here. Be sure to extend the rights to others that you're claiming for yourself.
Your statement about hanging you is juvenile, IMO. You state your opinions yet you don't accept others stating theirs. You speak your POV, yet you take offense when others do. I don't understand your reasoning and what appears to me to be a double standard.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

Oh trust me Woofy I am in the least bit surprised. This sort of thing happens far too often, especially in todays society.

I've seen your rationale concerning the way this side of the Kimkins scam has been handled. So I ask, whats your rationale concerning how the other side of it has been handled?

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

Straw man - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I had to look that up.

So you are saying that I'm starting a debate on purpose? LOL the only reason I came to this site was because I saw Kimkins on the cover of a magazine not too long ago and I was interested in what the board thought about it. And low and behold Kimmer was all a scam.

The whole thing is interesting in the least.

Not only is there a whole section but multiple threads, blogs, video's and so on because this woman pulled the wool over everyone's eyes.

I just wanted to point out that if not for threads like this one and the efforts of people like those here, there wouldn't have been much information for you to find when you searched, other than the multiple postings of Heidi Diaz to base your opinion on. So it appears that this thread and the anti-kimkins blogs were successful once again. You can thank the lynch mob for having more than positive reviews, false advertising, fraudulent pictures, and faked successes to base your opinion on.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

Everyone is trying to convince me that Kimmer is wrong and that the way things are being handled are justified. Not one person has addressed the real matter that I have brought up and that is the fact that as a group you are throwing stones and judging a person.

The path to hell is paved with good intentions. Let the person without sin throw the first stone. And thou shalt not judge, lest ye be judged.

And of course in essence I am judging people too, with that having been said, I believe that there is a much more mature and legal way that this can be handled.

Again, I ask that you give an account of how you would handle all this if the responsibility of exposing the fraud and bringing a stop to the scam fell solely on your shoulders.

[OhYeahBabe]

Originally Posted by Baby PHAT

People are sheep, jump on the bandwagon, follow the leader and so on. I get it.

Couldn't one Kimgate sticky with the full story to warn people suffice?

I don't think it's fair to say they were sheep. They were hurting, depserate people who feel for a con artist. At the time, there were no negative reviews of the diet anywhere. I looked hard. Any grumblings here had been deleted, and google and yahoo answers were flooded with rave reviews & spam. Kimmer, with her phony pictures, 5+ year long trail of lies, phony success stories with phony photos, was pervasive. And people who tried it generally did lose weight. Why is it such a surprise that people fell for it - even people who typically are very analytical and tried hard to find the hidden truth? Have you never been wrong? The lies didn't stop with getting people hooked in, they relentlessly continued, keeping people under the spell, with actual or promised weight loss as the hook.

[buzzybee]

Originally Posted by ketosis

Sorry for feeding the troll everyone.

[Princess Dieter]

Originally Posted by OhYeahBabe

I don't think it's fair to say they were sheep.

And for someone who's mighty sensitive (ie Baby Phat), that's an insensitive portrayal. Can dish; can't take.

Why is it such a surprise that people fell for it - even people who typically are very analytical and tried hard to find the hidden truth? Have you never been wrong? The lies didn't stop with getting people hooked in, they relentlessly continued, keeping people under the spell, with actual or promised weight loss as the hook.

Exactly. Way back when, early in the summer, when I found links to Kimkins, I didn't find the negative stuff. If it was out there, it was buried deep. That's why I added my blog voice to the links (I think I posted about 20 times anti-Kimkins), so that when folks Googled or Yahooed "Kimkins", they'd get information/links to the caveats and survivor stories and the photos and blogs that outed an obese, lying, scamming Kimmer.

When I was lured by the Kimkins site, everything that came up were those fake/spammy positive stories Kimmer/Heidi put out there tirelessly to drawn in paying customers. I was impressed by those stories. How can folks not be? And the testimonials about totally losing your app