Why the fascination with Kimmer? #9

[anipomoni]

In the ask kimmer thread here

Originally Posted by Kimmer

Recall that my focus is all about rapid weight loss and yogurt doesn't fit in during that short period.

Uh-oh....Kimmer needs to drop those yogurt shakes!!

Originally Posted by kimmer

You don't need a minimum number of calories if you have excess body fat ... that's why it's there.

This doesn't sound like new KK.

and finally:

Originally Posted by kimmer

I have water fasted (OK, 0 calorie fluid fasted) on a regular basis for the past 25 years from 3-45 days.....

Personally, if I had to do it over again I would have water fasted 150 lbs off.

[CJane]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Preach it sistah! Did you ever think of a name??

Not yet, still thinking. It will come to me.

[jeanessa]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

thanks..didn't know you had asked for a refund again. I'll have to check out that restriction thing.

You need a premier account, which is still just the same as a regular account, you just upgrade it.

[Violet Skye]

Originally Posted by jayed

I don't know how bullet proof her strategy is. I haven't seen any evidence that she ever lost anything. Obviously, I'm not going to bash someone who's yo-yoed but you have to lose to yo yo. She's missing a yo in there.

As far as I'm concerned she's just a liar. Bash away.

Oh, I'm bashing so hard that my rotator cuff hurts. But I'm on the outside of the Kimpound, where I have access to The Truth, uncensored and unbannable. I'm just thinking of the people who don't have access to the info that I have, or who are so caught up in the situation that they can't see what's really going on.

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by MomToEli

You guys are hard to keep up with! But I've been glued to this thread since I first found this board. Quite the life-distraction, let me tell ya! I don't ever remember even hearing of Kimkins until coming here, yet there is a vague nagging in the back of my mind that I may have stumbled on all of this years ago, but veered away.

Anyway, I want to jump in here with an observation on this "personality change" going on.

One of the issues she is getting nailed with now in the lawsuit is that she has been doling out this advice without being qualified to do so. It looks to me like she is trying to set up a defense - one that says see, I don't act like I know it all? I've just been sharing my thoughts like all of these other untrained people. Now, of course anyone with a live braincell can see right through that, but it sure is similar to other people I've encountered with this sort of personality.

I totally agree with your psycologist friend that this person has endured some intense trauma somewhere - most likely starting in early childhood. Wouldn't be surprised if that doesn't become part of her defense as well.

Honeybee, how on earth did you uncover the Russian Bride thing? That is absolutely incredible to me (I read your blog about the success stories). I don't think it would have ever occured to me (if I were going to pull off a scam like she has done) to even steal photos like that or from that source.

That is a valid point and it may be part of her contrived scheme or it could be her way of excusing herself later, maybe not it a court of law, but to her devotees.
The Russian brides search was started by the brilliant idea of a member named Cilantro who thought the pictures looked European. She went looking under the European dating sites and actually found the first confirmed fraudulent success story she said almost by luck. The pic she found was posted at kimkins as the person called Annette. This finding was posted by Kiki over here on LCF and it snowballed from there. We all working together were able to get the stories that you see as proven false. The icing on the cake was when Buzzybee found Lesya the 'red dress' Kimmer! It was better than Christmas!

[CJane]

Originally Posted by anipomoni

In the ask kimmer thread here

Uh-oh....Kimmer needs to drop those yogurt shakes!!



This doesn't sound like new KK.

and finally:

Yeah, maybe she should try that now. Ha!

Or, maybe she should start a site touting the sugar cookie and yogurt shake diet. By looking at her newest pic, I'd say that's really doing well for her, and making her arms and torso longer, too.

[jeanessa]

Originally Posted by anipomoni

In the ask kimmer thread here

Uh-oh....Kimmer needs to drop those yogurt shakes!!



This doesn't sound like new KK.

and finally:

I know hindsight is 20/20, but if I had seen the waterfasting 150 pounds off thing, I never would have listened to another word out of her mouth.

Someone should start a Debunking the Kimkins Diet blog and post all of this crazy stuff that Heidi has said over the years and the fallacy included therein...as a resource for anybody who is tempted to believe a word she says. Any volunteers? Wordpress is free!

[LadyN]

Originally Posted by momov2boys

It seems that I have finally been brought up here.

Here's the short version of my story:

Atkins-like eating got me from 122 to 104 in three months last year.

Kimkins-like eating then got me from 104-98.

I only began with binge-eating issues after eating such low calories.
(PB being my very favorite binge food).

I now maintain at 102, which seems a healthy weight for me, as I am quite small boned.

I still struggle with PB issues.

The reason I'm leaving the maintenance forum is because I feel that too mainy "maintainers" cannot accept healthy fats or carbs.
*And that is exactly the mentality that I am trying to free myself from.

Thanks to those of you who have supported me here!

Emphasis added is mine.

[anipomoni]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

I know hindsight is 20/20, but if I had seen the waterfasting 150 pounds off thing, I never would have listened to another word out of her mouth.

Oh and to make it worse, she actually doesn't "water" fast....it's diet coke fasting. (I edited the quote to show where she says it)

I've been here for years so now you know why I thought she was crazy!

[MissMerize]

I just saw the video from the show here

I am cracking up over TT use of "nutritionalist" several times, and the doc guy saying "no respectable doctor would be associated with this diet".

Maybe Dr. Mark officially changed his title to Mr. Mark.

[Kaly]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Kaly...thank for you story. Short people hea? Love ya. I'm not that tall myself. Your story sounds typical. Glad you saw the light and are doing good. Did you lose hair or have any other problems? Be sure to send you story to Kimkins Survivors. We are glad to have you and hope more follow. We all know we have to find our own way after KK and in our own time. Welcome!!

Boy have I lost some hair. LOL No warning either. A couple weeks after I left I decided to take a shower before going to bed. I had just gotten done posting at Jimmy's forum and it was a bit late. So I'm washing my hair and as I'm rinsing and rubbing the soap out of my face, it just feels weird. Like there's something scratchy on my hands. I rinsed my hands off and looked down. There was a lot of hair caught in the trap. We have a nice large walk-in shower and the plastic mesh part of the drain cover/trap is 3-1/4" across.

My hair is shorter, layered a bit, and very fine. I had lots of it though so it was never an issue. I also had finally gotten all of the hair dye out by letting it grow and cutting it out. You could even see the beginning of natural highlights. I know it's vain but my hair was the only thing on my self improvement list that was just about done. I was going to let it grow a bit longer. Not now!

I see the hair and figure that it's done shedding so I go to wash it the second time. Nope, more hair. ...And yet more hair in the drain after I condition it. At the end, the entire drain was completely covered with my hair. Not just a thin layer either. Completely covered to where the only part of the trap you could actually see was the very center and that's because of the company logo is there.

I got out of the shower, sat down in my towel and just started to cry. I was so upset. I finally got dressed and had therapy. My therapy was with Ben & Jerry in the Cherry Garcia Room. Then there was a bowl of kettle korn. It was 9/18 and my first real cheat since 6/25. I know the date because I got on the computer and posted (ranted) about it in my journal at Jimmy's site.

I continued to cover the drain with my hair every time I took a shower. The week before Halloween, it began to decrease. Now only half the drain is was being covered. In the past week it has decreased even more. Now it's less than a 1/4 of the drain being covered. Just this past week I started to notice new growth in various lengths. The stubble looking newbie hairs are what I noticed first.

Other than biotin and fish oil, I highly recommend walnuts, lots of omega-3's and they have as much fiber as they do carbs. Carb neutral nuts!!

I've also had very itchy skin but only in my arm pits. Weird place, I know but there it is. There has also been an increase in pain in my hips. The hips seem to be getting better. I've been exercising (T-Tapp) and spreading out my calcium supplements during the day with food for maximum benefit. It's weird to get more hip pain after losing 45 pounds. Maybe it's because I'm more active now.

I still have a hard time eating veggies other than lettuce and cucumbers. That's mostly because I never really ate a bunch of them. Growing up it was corn, peas, green beans, cucumbers, lettuce, & tomatoes. That's about it. As an adult I discovered that I liked broccoli, cauliflower, grilled asparagus, and fresh spinach. It's still a work in progress.

Where is the Kimkins Survivors thread? Is that here or over at Jimmy's.

[HoneyBee2]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! I get so frustrated every time I go over to the kimpound and read anything from that...
That Narcissistic, Big-Boned, Diabolical, Quasi-Diabetic, Lint Licking, Lying, Liar that Lies


Posted by KIMMER

Re:Kimmer now weighs 294? See front page of Kimk 33 Minutes ago
Hi Lee Anne and welcome!

There isn't a calorie limit on any Kimkins plan. I suppose Boot Camp would be the most stringent, but there's still calorie variety there, too. Calories count but we don't count calories.

Kimkins: Unlimited lean protein and up to 4 cups of veggies (no calorie limit)
K/E: Unlimited protein (no calorie limit)
Shake Option: Up to 800 calories
Boot Camp: No calorie limit, but portions are limited

Someone wrote me yesterday and said that a former admin told them to keep their calories between 500-800. Huh? I've been reading that Kimkins has a 500 calorie limit and I couldn't figure out for the life of me where that came from! Now I know.

For the Record: There is no limit with Kimkins. If the 500-800 figure was published on this site, that was an error.

On the other hand, I don't believe in the 1200 calorie minimum that floats about when people discuss diets. I don't believe in forcing ourselves to eat or picking foods to reach some "minimum".

Our focus is on nonfatty protein choices and nutrient dense leafy greens plus supplements. Take out junk and superfluous fat and weight loss is rapid.

Anyone who feels mislead because they joined because of the red dress and/or success stories which were a compilation of previous stories over the years, can certainly get a refund and we're asking that those requests by in by 11/17/07

oh my I just love the way she skims over the "limited portion" fact of Kimkins and then calls previous stated calories a mistake.
No mistake kimmer! Or the mistake is still coming out of your mouth now. Break out a calculator and figure up the calories of those limited portions on bootcamp you twit! Then the calories on the gram counts you posted on how much protein, fat and carbs one should be consuming...LIES LIES LIES!!!

OH and sure it was "the red dress" that misled us or made us join! You make it sound like we were at the GAP shopping! I was not looking for a damn outfit kimmer, so the 'red dress' is not the reason I was misled. It was you claiming
that the picture was you in the red dress. You get it kimmer it was you.

[Katinsac]

hey, do you guys think Heidi used her "charm" on John? do you think it worked? lol

[MissMerize]

I could actually see the little hairs growing on cristin's head. I had to pause the show and they were clearly visible.

She looked the best I've seen her. That WW mag pic was not the greatest. Not bashing her, that wasn't her fault. Bad photographers.

Maybe that's Heidi's problem, just bad photographers

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

oh my I just love the way she skims over the "limited portion" fact of Kimkins and then calls previous stated calories a mistake.
No mistake kimmer! Or the mistake is still coming out of your mouth now. Break out a calculator and figure up the calories of those limited portions on bootcamp you twit! Then the calories on the gram counts you posted on how much protein, fat and carbs one should be consuming...LIES LIES LIES!!!

OH and sure it was "the red dress" that misled us or made us join! You make it sound like we were at the GAP shopping! I was not looking for a damn outfit kimmer, so the 'red dress' is not the reason I was misled. It was you claiming
that the picture was you in the red dress. You get it kimmer it was you.

Yeah, the old "gloss over our past 'mistakes' and take responsibility for nothing"! She just can't imagine how or why people feel misled. Again, it's our fault for how we interpreted things. Tickle, tickle, slap, I love you.

[gibster]

Originally Posted by SMP

Nobody ever said Heidi didn't keep abreast of the latest news, trends, etc in the weightloss world. I really liked Susan Powter, too, till following her advice to stoke up on carbs when hungry added at least 50 lbs to my frame. That was WITH exercise, BTW. I really hope Heidi makes goal back on Atkins (even if she still calls it Kimkins for the nonce) just to prove that the doctor knew more than she did. But somehow, she's giving herself only 6 months to lose 100 lbs. Methinks she believes her own press and will try for a Christin-type diet. Yo, Heidi, Christin is not only a 1/4 century younger than you, hasn't had a trashed thyroid, nor developed diabetes, nor a wonky liver from past liquid indiscretions, nor a history of severe yo-yo dieting and auto-immune diseases. And she STILL developed various problems, the least of them being hair loss. At your age, I'd truthfully worry about a heart attack from extreme dieting. May is just a calendar date; death is final. Reread DANDR, Heidi. The Doc lays out the basic steps to losing weight healthfully. Really read it. He doesn't advocate a high-fat diet for everyone; but he's dead set against high protein diets w/o fat and veggies. Research has shown that those diets are killers. And Heidi, NO TRICK MIRRORS, OK?

So...I wonder whose pics she'll be posting to show her progress

[Magicsmom]

LOL, "Noelle" sent me an e-mail too! My response:

"Noelle", thanks but no thanks. I prefer to join the lawsuit against you.

[Tammy_girl12]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

She's playing the "victim" role. I wonder what payoff she's getting out of this new role. She is portraying herself as one of the pack - I'm NO different than the rest of you and oh yes by the way I need YOUR help and advice to lose weight.

What the heck - these people paid $60 for the opposite. It is insane if you ask me. How these people don't see this is beyond me.

This really bothers me! Why on earth would I pay $60! I almost did, back when I first joined LCF and read kimmers stuff and saw she had a website.

I still actually secretly struggle with the thought of doing Kimkins (not joining the site) and just deal with the consequences later. I did feel desperate to lose weight and I still feel desperate.

Sigh I know that is very crazy. I wish I had never run into that crazy plan and lost a fast, exhilarating 20 pounds so quickly (I have gained back 10 due to my binge eating).

[jeanessa]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

hey, do you guys think Heidi used her "charm" on John? do you think it worked? lol

John is a very discerning man. I'll leave it at that.

[anipomoni]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

hey, do you guys think Heidi used her "charm" on John? do you think it worked? lol

Well, she is a MILF, you know.

[SMP]

Originally Posted by BobbiOh

Well, here is one of the things I can't understand:

She's back there with her cheering section saying I'm one of you....I've relapsed. But, the fact of the matter is she did not relapse. SHE NEVER LOST 198LBS!!!!! SHE WAS NEVER ABLE TO FIT INTO THAT RED DRESS!!

She's saying that she lost 100lbs and relapsed. How can everyone at KK just gloss over the fact that from the start, even if she did relapse, it was a big FAT lie.

I dunno, she claims to have lost 100 pounds 4 times now. Maybe it was one of these that triggered her alopecia. She may even have been thin ... for 30 seconds between the losing fast and gaining fast. I figure one weekend of stolen joy with the Captain probably shot her up at least 10 pounds. Who cares if it's mostly water weight? You still can't pour yourself into that red dress. And unlike the sleek outlines of many dieters (not me!), she'd have odd bumps, lumps and protrusions unless cinched to a last gasp in a body corset thingamabob. I feel that at one time, Heidi was near enough normal size to remember what it was like - but likely not in the last 10 years!

[buzzybee]

Originally Posted by LadyN

I don't think we should say things about the Nutritionist from the M and J show. Things like she had a "deer in the headlights look" are cruel in my opinion and uncalled for. She was very passionate about this issue as we all are, but to make fun of her or speculate about her being Hyperthyroid etc. is not right. If we make fun of the people who are trying to help us get the word out, how many people will want to help if this is how they are treated? I bet you she reads these boards.

I agree she probably does read these boards, and it looks like we are "biting the hand that feeds us". Not very nice and we are above that.