Why the fascination with Kimmer? #9

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by momov2boys

It seems that I have finally been brought up here.

Here's the short version of my story:

Atkins-like eating got me from 122 to 104 in three months last year.

Kimkins-like eating then got me from 104-98.

I only began with binge-eating issues after eating such low calories.
(PB being my very favorite binge food).

I now maintain at 102, which seems a healthy weight for me, as I am quite small boned.

I still struggle with PB issues.

The reason I'm leaving the maintenance forum is because I feel that too mainy "maintainers" cannot accept healthy fats or carbs.
*And that is exactly the mentality that I am trying to free myself from.

Thanks to those of you who have supported me here!

Rebecca, you look great!

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Morning Kat! Oh I agree with the night time being better for the silly stuff. I think that is when my delirium kicks in and I get slap happy. I have never been a morning person anyway. It has driven my father crazy. My whole life he has been waiting for me to suddenly want to get up at 5am like him. I know as we age we do start to be earlier rises, but I can see me at 60 something still not caring for the getting up at sunrise bit.

Your dad sounds like my FIL. Every time I tell him I want to go fishing with him, the first thing he says is that I'll have to get up at 4:00. All I can figure out is that it's his way of discouraging me from going.

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Did I mention or has anyone else that all the newsletters are now gone?!?!? The only one up is number 22.

They made that change at least a week ago, maybe two.

Originally Posted by CarolynF

GUYS...We made the bigtime:

Live Search: "Kimkins diet scam"

All those articles..It is incredible..

It seems like Kimkins Diet Scam is one-word!!

I knew that Mike and Juliet was just the beginning of something big!

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Miss...me too....I am having a very hard time "trusting" any diet and have been on my own sort of binge since leaving KK. I too am hoping for some stability soon. I think mentally those few months did more to me than I'd like to admit. Hang in there. I think when some of this dies down, we can readjust and do better.

The newsletters are gone because half or most of them had untrue success stories or stores of our gals! Speaking of that...Christin and Deni still on KK's Home Page?

KK sent me on a binge. I just don't deal well with deprivation. Did fine on an Atkins/Protein Power type approach for over a year, but after Kimkins, doing horrible! Thanks Kimmer!

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

When I got down to 126# last year (5'7.5") I looked horrible. My head looked bigger than my body In fact a friend of mine told me I looked "sick". I was quite surprised she said that because when I was in my 20's and got to 122# I looked good. I guess when you get older it doesn't look healthy. By just gaining about 10# - I filled in a little bit more and didn't look like I had survived the concentration camps.

At 5'2" she should at least weight 106-110# IMHO.

The "lollipop body" is a sure fire sign of being underweight. It's not right for your head to look out of proportion to the rest of you. IMO, Rebecca looks great. She posted in this thread, and I think her avatar tells the story.

[Queeny]

Originally Posted by LINC

Wow. I just can't get over what a HUGE set this woman has. She lied about who she was. She lied about all the success stories. She lied about her own weight loss. She's even lying about what Kimkins really is. The diet she's claiming to be Kimkins now is nothing close to what she originally told people it was. She lied about movie stars using her diet. She's lying when she says she never told people to use laxitives. There are STILL pictures on the internet of the red dress Russian bride that say she's Kimmer. She's taken people's money and banned them for no good reason. She's been followed and photographed by a private detective. She's had her lies exposed on the news and now on a talk show. There are blogs and web sites all over the internet dedicated to taking her down. She's being sued. She claims she sold her site to someone else, and then she disappeared from the face of the earth for a few weeks while SL and TT did all her dirty work. Now she's back. And she's acting like there's nothing wrong. Nothing at all.

There is something seriously wrong with Kimmer. Any normal human being would have slinked off into oblivion after being busted this badly. Not Kimmer. She's back, big as day, carrying on as if things are peachy, and she's just part of the big, happy Kimkins weight loss team - except now she's an active participant instead of the almighty Kimmer-weightloss-guru. Is that supposed to be what people paid for? To show HER how to lose weight? Can a person really be that delusional? I guess they can. Even more delusional are the people who continue to support her.

Lou

I am way behind on reading but this is IT in a nutshell!!! You know what, go ahead tweak your plan, but charge people for it??????????? WTH Yes delusional is the appropiate word here. I wonder how long TT would hang around if she wasn't getting paid. However she has backed herself in a corner now and is banned from here so she doesn't have a lot of places to go that don't know her and her reputation.

[beckynett]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Hi Becky

Can you recall where you spoke of Derek?
I didn't see anything in the comment section of the TRUTH, but I scanned it quickly.
I love to read how others spot those tell-tale signs of Kimmer's posting under another screen name. I know how I can tell, but with her back at kimkins and posting I need all the tips I can get.
Was it in the comments found in the TRUTH in the month of October?
Thanks

It was actually in private exchanges.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by flowerpower

When discussions started about hair - Kimmer knew it all.

When discussions turned to skin care - Kimmer knew it all.

That's rich! A woman who has NO hair "knowing it all"! Is there no end to her hubris?

Actually, the Kimmer I know "knows it all" about everything! It must be wonderful to be her!

[Queeny]

Originally Posted by MidwestMommy

The only reason Kimmer is posting her menu is to encourage her people over there to follow her example and to eat like she is claming. This way she can say "well I never told anyone to eat like that, I can't help it if they went too low on calories by following what I ate (notice she doesn't give the amounts of most things, her "ham roll ups" could be an entire ham shank covered by a few pieces of salad greens)

Very good point.

[Melly]

Originally Posted by Queeny

I am way behind on reading but this is IT in a nutshell!!! You know what, go ahead tweak your plan, but charge people for it??????????? WTH Yes delusional is the appropiate word here. I wonder how long TT would hang around if she wasn't getting paid. However she has backed herself in a corner now and is banned from here so she doesn't have a lot of places to go that don't know her and her reputation.

She would hang out until the earth came to a stand still......she isn't in it for the money....she is in it for the 'atta girl. She craves attention and recognition to the point of having addiction issues with it. She wants to be the center of attention and for things to all be about her.......geeze has she not seen my avitar? It is all about ME

[Queeny]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Translation: "If they had just given me the list of questions ahead of time, I would have been able to fabricate a great story to feed the audience. Don't they know that I can't think well on my feet? It's not easy to come up with a good lie on the spur of the moment! Damn, why did I admit there are some wrongs here? Oh Kimmer please forgive me and don't fire me! I was lying when I told the low carb community there was something wrong here! (Are you buying it?) Plan behind the plan? Of course there is one, but shhhhhh! We don't want them to know about it. Kimmer, please forgive me for speaking the truth on that program.......errrr.......make that Kimmer I didn't mean it, they had a gun to my back........errrrr...I just plead stupidity!"

So true Terry, you don't have to "plan ahead" if your telling the truth, just speak from your heart.

Honeybee I love your avatar. What a sweet picture!

Hey there Pooti

[jeanessa]

Links to download the affidavit and/or declaration form are available on the Kimkins Lawsuit website along with instructions for completing and mailing them.

[Queeny]

Hey there Melly yes she sure is an attention seeker. I have always said there must be something missing at home. YKWIM?

ok question and Tippy pay attention here is a spelling lesson coming........ I have seen avatar spelled avitar and avatar, is there a difference? Is one right and one wrong?

[beckynett]

Originally Posted by LaurieRobo

I just have to say.... Is she for REAL.... I feel like this is the Twilight Zone!!!

It's supposed to be her plan, acting like she is a newbie... advice? her previous slams at people that couldn't stick to her plan for being weak... This whole diabetes thing... come on - we didn't all just fall off the turnip truck!!!!!

I am just beside myself with disbelief


Becky - Nice to see ya!

Hi, Laurie!

As for the other part, "There is none so blind as he who will not see."

Heidi is still playing people the ballad of her alternate reality.

Same song, different verse.

[WildAngel6]

Kimkins Diet Scam: Heidi Kimberly Diaz To Face Jury In Court - Original News: The Post Chronicle

I got all excited when I read this headline.

[LaurieRobo]

Originally Posted by beckynett

Hi, Laurie!

As for the other part, "There is none so blind as he who will not see."

Heidi is still playing people the ballad of her alternate reality.

Same song, different verse.

That is just what I don't get - I know I drank the kool-aid at one time too with her... but now after everything that is out... How can folks follow so blindly????

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by kaligurl

Here's Kimmer's response

When I lost weight it was a variety of Kimkins plan including periodic fasting which I do for stress release more than anything. Maintenance is where I have a problem because carbs cause hunger. Once hunger kicks in I'm in trouble. Rum & coke are carbs.

Cookies do cause water weight gain because they are carbs. When you first start low carb it takes a few days to exhaust your glycogen stores. When it does happen, you get the water weight loss "whoosh". Now, when you add carbs back (especially if suddenly), the water weight gain comes back quickly ... maybe even overnight.

It's tough. I'd say keep the cookies out of the house, but that's hard when you have kids. What does your challenge group say? Lots of successful people (and smart) are bound to have good ideas for you.
Please note, although no boardcode and smiley buttons are shown, they are still useable

Well, I see Heidi and Captain Morgan are still on speaking terms. Just as we suspected.

Originally Posted by AllieCat0817

I find it horrendous and nauseating that Kimmer admits that she is a stress eater.... when she sent KiKi (where has she been?) a nasty email and ended it with 'I hope I don't cause you stress eat'. WTH? I have been SO perturbed by that ever since I read her admission of being a stress eater yesterday. I am pretty sure she has said the same thing to other folk 'I hope I don't cause you to stress eat'.

Seems like all the foul **** she has said to other people are actual things that she herself struggles with. I ain't hating on her for struggling, I am hating on her for being evil. (*(&*(&)P$#*@!&^)(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! (insert any multitude of cuss words here).

And accusing people of being too weak and greedy to follow her starvation plan? WTH???? She couldn't even follow it?

I want to hurl.

ITA!!!!

Originally Posted by kaligurl

My menu for 11/14/07:

Breakfast: 8 oz. 100% Pasteurized Egg Whites (as a drink)
Lunch: 8 oz. 100% Pasteurized Egg Whites (as a drink)
Mid-afternoon Snacks: 1 Tbs MCT Oil
8 oz. 100% Pasteurized Egg Whites (as a drink)
Dinner: 4 oz. (raw weight) Buffalo Burger with 1 Tbs. 1-carb ketchup
Evening Snacks: 1 Part Skim String Cheese Stick
1 Hard-Boiled Egg
1 Sugar-Free Jello Snack Container
1/4 cup Part Skim Ricotta Cheese with dash Vanilla Extract and 3 drops Sweetzfree
1 4-oz container Dannon Light n' Fit Carb Control Strawberries and Creme Yogurt

Plain Water, Water with Mixed Berry Water Sensations, and Decaf Tea with 3 drops Sweetzfree throughout the day

Weight Lost Morning of 11/15/07 = 3.1 lbs.

Exercise: None

How many calories do you think?

I think that is a LOT of snacking in the evening!

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

MissM that is what I at first found so odd. We all know that Heidi can not go without adoration for too long! It has been suggested to me by others when I asked about someone with this type of personality-I want to share with y'all some posts from another board where this was discussed. A member had expressed that Kimmer's lack of control over her eating gave power to her rage against the eating of others.

Another question and the psychologist's post:
My post and question:

The reply from the pyschologist:


Very interesting insight I thought...and scary as well.

This was all very fascinating, and it's good to hear from a professional that what we suspected about Kimmer is true. Great validation!

[dlslds]

Originally Posted by Queeny

Hey there Melly yes she sure is an attention seeker. I have always said there must be something missing at home. YKWIM?

ok question and Tippy pay attention here is a spelling lesson coming........ I have seen avatar spelled avitar and avatar, is there a difference? Is one right and one wrong?

hiya babe it's Avatar


and even tho I know it's avatar i will still shorten it to avi

[Melly]

Originally Posted by Queeny

Hey there Melly yes she sure is an attention seeker. I have always said there must be something missing at home. YKWIM?

ok question and Tippy pay attention here is a spelling lesson coming........ I have seen avatar spelled avitar and avatar, is there a difference? Is one right and one wrong?

OMGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!! I spell like Tippy

I just looked it up on Websters......

avatar
One entry found.

avatar



Main Entry: av·a·tar
Pronunciation: \ˈa-və-ˌtär\
Function: noun
Etymology: Sanskrit avatāraḥ descent, from avatarati he descends, from ava- away + tarati he crosses over — more at ukase, through
Date: 1784
1: the incarnation of a Hindu deity (as Vishnu)
2 a: an incarnation in human form b: an embodiment (as of a concept or philosophy) often in a person
3: a variant phase or version of a continuing basic entity
4: an electronic image that represents and is manipulated by a computer user (as in a computer game)


I am soooooooooooooooo ashamed

[dlslds]

Mellllllly it's ok babe!!!!! doesn't TT spell it avitor?

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by dlslds

hiya babe it's Avatar


and even tho I know it's avatar i will still shorten it to avi

Avi is the correct short version for it... IINM (I don't know if that is a acronym yet or not for- If I'm not mistaken- but it is for me. LOL)

If you used Ava it looks like a person's name, well it can be a person's name.

Like email addy...for email address- add would look like a math problem.

[WildAngel6]

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Did I mention or has anyone else that all the newsletters are now gone?!?!?
The only one up is number 22.

That may have been because:


...it had been pointed out that the "Lady in Red" photos were being used in the newsletters.

...some of the articles in the newsletters were "borrowed" just like some of the after pictures and people wanted their information removed.

...various bits of incriminating evidence were included in previous newsletters.

...project "clean sweep" required sweeping lots of information under the rug.

...they don't realize that most of this stuff is still available via the wayback machine.

[beckynett]

Originally Posted by LaurieRobo

That is just what I don't get - I know I drank the kool-aid at one time too with her... but now after everything that is out... How can folks follow so blindly????

I think it is like an addict defending an addiction.

Dr. Kathleen DesMaisons has an interesting theory, backed by good research. She says many of us who were overweight had naturally-low levels of certain neuro-transmitters, like serotonin and endorphins. We overate to supply those brain chemicals.

Endorphins are natural opiodes, the body's natural pain relievers. So, the theory would be that there is a kind of chemical 'high', a euphoria, that people who are seriously not eating enough get. It is the body releasing endorphins to mediate the 'pain' of starvation ---- sort of like the famous 'runner's high'. Since we were hurting ourselves, our bodies medicated us with a brain chemical that can be highly addictive.

Eating carbs gives us endorphins.Those of us who are sugar sensitive often used carbs to medicate ourselves. Kimkins trades one addiction (carb-induced endorphin rush) for another (starvation-induced endorphin rush), kind of like a heroin addict switching to methadone. The addict is still addicted, just to a different substance.

It is harder to break an addiction than it is to simply switch the substance. I think that is why many find Kimkins easier than normal Atkins dieting, and why they 'protect' it so much. On Kimkins, we were not giving up those endorphin spikes; we were just getting them another way, which is easier that trying to adjust to normal or even low endorphin production.

There are things we can do to improve endorphin production, but it is not good to live in that spiked addictive state.

If we don't break the addiction to the endorphin spikes, we may eventually trade the VLCD spikes for the original spikes of carbs, alcohol, risky behaviors, or whatever.

Only, if we do, our brain has upregulated its opiode receptors to be even MORE sensitive than before, and our metabolisms have dialed down to be MORE sluggish than before. Double whammy.

So, we end up even bigger and more miserable than before, almost fated to bounce from one extreme to the other,

According to this explanation, Heidi K. Diaz is actually the perfect poster child for Kimkins, the epitome of exactly what can be expected from that diet.

[kaligurl]

Hiya Wild..I was just wondering where about you are in cali?