Why the fascination with Kimmer? #9

[kaligurl]

I know who you..I was laughing so hard when I read your posts..I will see if I can log in and check for ya..I even remember your name..he he..thats how much they talked about you...lol

[Pam40]

Grrrrr, I'm getting so irritated with the cheering and kudos going to Kimmer over her "coming clean" with her weight (over at the Kimkins site). She really had no choice in the matter now did she? She was caught on video tape for goodness sakes. She didn't "come clean" because her conscience finally got the better of her or because she wanted to become a better person. She had no choice but to address it somehow if she wanted to still be a public part of her site.

Why do some people not get this? She has a history of berating dieters for not having willpower. She told people she was maintaining an incredible weight loss. Had she come right out years ago and said that she couldn't keep the weight off or struggled with her weight then I could understand all of the gushing over her. She didn't do that. She led people to believe she was this dieting champion and then made money off of the lies. Only when caught did she tell a little of the truth (and even then it took her a heck of a long time to do so).

I. Just. Don't. Get. It.

[sweetpoison]

O.K. I did the request for a refund thing....have not heard about it....Has anyone else?

Vicki

[Tooter]

Originally Posted by Pam40

Grrrrr, I'm getting so irritated with the cheering and kudos going to Kimmer over her "coming clean" with her weight (over at the Kimkins site). She really had no choice in the matter now did she? She was caught on video tape for goodness sakes. She didn't "come clean" because her conscience finally got the better of her or because she wanted to become a better person. She had no choice but to address it somehow if she wanted to still be a public part of her site.

Why do some people not get this? She has a history of berating dieters for not having willpower. She told people she was maintaining an incredible weight loss. Had she come right out years ago and said that she couldn't keep the weight off or struggled with her weight then I could understand all of the gushing over her. She didn't do that. She led people to believe she was this dieting champion and then made money off of the lies. Only when caught did she tell a little of the truth (and even then it took her a heck of a long time to do so).

I. Just. Don't. Get. It.

Co-dependent and enablers? That's how I explain it. No, it doesn't make sense and no one in their Right Emotional mind would react that way.

[jeanessa]

Originally Posted by sweetpoison

O.K. I did the request for a refund thing....have not heard about it....Has anyone else?

Vicki

she could take as long as she wants to to give it back...but don't take it! Give it back and join the suit!

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

Yes, the lawsuit can continue despite the fact that she is offering refunds now. Only those who accept the refund are ineligible to participate in the lawsuit.

Originally Posted by SandraBB

I've noticed several members here have said they've requested a refund from Kimkins. I just checked the kimkins lawsuit website, and they say not to get a refund. I guess it will affect the lawsuit? Is anyone going to send their refund back?

Kimkinslawsuit’s Weblog

If they even offer me a refund, which I'd doubt they will, I will refuse it. I'd rather stay in the lawsuit.

Originally Posted by Jazlyn

They make fun of overweight people? I think Tippy has them mixed up with Kimmer. And didn't tippy herself say some nasty things about people from the pigroast?

Yes, she did say nasty things about LCF people after returning from a pig roast. It was just horrible, but showed her true colors for sure!

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

Something is going on with SL. She just did not look well to me. I know ...but I mean besides the starvation diet. Does anyone know what illness she has or had that she alluded to that caused her to gain weight. Has anyone heard of the disease "Cushings"? SingingLass just looked very "moon faced" and the puffiness that one will see when diagnosing Cushings disease. This can also come from steroid use. The type of steroid used by Rx that are used long term for many conditions. Just curious as to if that is why she was looking "off" to me.

She said that her weight gain was due to sterioids. I believe her. I remember being on Prednisone and not being able to stop eating. That is the medication from hell!

Originally Posted by Pam40

Grrrrr, I'm getting so irritated with the cheering and kudos going to Kimmer over her "coming clean" with her weight (over at the Kimkins site). She really had no choice in the matter now did she? She was caught on video tape for goodness sakes. She didn't "come clean" because her conscience finally got the better of her or because she wanted to become a better person. She had no choice but to address it somehow if she wanted to still be a public part of her site.

Why do some people not get this? She has a history of berating dieters for not having willpower. She told people she was maintaining an incredible weight loss. Had she come right out years ago and said that she couldn't keep the weight off or struggled with her weight then I could understand all of the gushing over her. She didn't do that. She led people to believe she was this dieting champion and then made money off of the lies. Only when caught did she tell a little of the truth (and even then it took her a heck of a long time to do so).

I. Just. Don't. Get. It.

At this point, everyone is taking her advice with informed consent. That means that they know exactly what Kimmer is - a scammer and a liar. It's just stupid to continue to take advice from her, but it's a free country!

[Cutie]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

This all goes back to one person. Heidi Diaz...and her scheme to scam thousands of people out of money. She took our money (which we are getting back, by the way), she took some people's hair, she took some people's health...and she should not be allowed to take anything else from us.

So brush your shoulders off, girl...mistakes are mistakes.

The next time somebody tries to drag you back into that tell them, "Been there, done that and I've moved on. When you do, too, let me know and we'll talk."

No more apologies.

(Although, Heidi could definitely take a lesson in the actual meaning of an apology from you and Christin).

duly noted...thanks nessa!

[kaligurl]

Ok wacky I don't see your posts anymore..sorry

[robsrib]

Originally Posted by wackytobeme

Would someone be willing to check the thread to see if my posts are still there,...I'm easy to find....I'm the "HATER" and 'POT STIRRER'
Not sure what comment it was that was some ARBITRARY TOS violation..but I can certainly tell you that there were posters there that would be in violation also. Sorry...I can't bring myself to faaaawwwwnnnn all over Heidi like some are doing... Gotta go cut up some more of that deer meat for my freezer

ETA...the words with the lines (ie: base_d) they just show up in the post I tried fix it

Your posts have been removed. There are references to them in answers but your original posts are poofed into thin air.

[Locarb4me]

Originally Posted by LChottie07

Hello all!!

Can't write long, but I did want to say thank you so much for all your notes of encouragement to Deni and I as we headed to NY. We were so blessed by your words and loved reading them. I think that the show went well, but there is still much to say. I would love to respond to some of the things that have been said here, and I will, in my blog. I will be publishing later today specifically on the reasons behind why I am continuing on my mission.

Just wanted to drop in and thank you guys... BTW... LOL you have given me my work to do.... 2 threads now to keep up with

I didn't know you were going to NY but was so happy to see you and Deni on the interview. You couldn't have done a better job I was so proud of you both! Big hugs!

[susique333]

Originally Posted by robsrib

Your posts have been removed. There are references to them in answers but your original posts are poofed into thin air.

Those CREEPS really do think they can just erase posts and no one will know or care. And they call US a bunch of haters? Erasing points of views on KK just causes more dissatisfied people to find a place where they CAN vent. Welcome to all the newbies!! Its like scrubbing out an ink spot...its gonna spread!

[CarolynF]

Hi..

Wow..lots of action on this thread this afternoon..

Kimmer is on disability for being mentally ill, so she will mess up again soon, tick someone off, give crazy advice, etc. It's a guarantee!!

In the meantime, we can continue to get the truth of the dangers of Kimkins out there and be a refuge for those who need us.

Ex-members can join the lawsuit or sign the petition if we haven't done so..

Looking forward to reading Christin's blog!!!

[HoneyBee2]

MagicsMom,
Do you know where she discussed the weight gain being linked to prednisone? I guess I was referring to what seems to be going on now. She had posted pics on Kimkins in the thread for the Mike and Juliet show, and she looked thinner then. I believe she had those pics done around the end of September or the first of October. Her weight and health from yesterday doesn't seem to match those pics.
My point is either she is having some health issues from the WOE or she may have some other health problems going on. If it is from the Kimkins WOE then I will dig and see it as fair game, but if it is from something else I am backing off.

[kaligurl]

Re:What is our carb limit? 17 Hours, 2 Minutes ago
Hay Thin_again

It's best not exceed the 1000 cals,, 20 carbs, 20-30 fat grams, and keep the Protein at 60-90 grams per day. These are the limits for newbies, but you will find that as you stick with the plan you will see lower numbers in all the above categories. If you have any other questions or need help PM me anytime, I love to help.
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Hmm stick with the plan and you will see the #'s lower? I wonder how low? ANd they still don't see it? WOW...


But the TT did state the following:

Re:What is our carb limit? 7 Hours, 44 Minutes ago
I just wanted to say hello to you.

And to say bootcamp is great but if it gets tough feel free to switch to original Kimkins, K/E, ect. I can only last so long on bootcamp myself. And be sure to keep calories to at LEAST 800. If you haven't done so, you can create a free account at fitday.com.
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Funny..when I started there , the advice Raven gave was the norm...the whole starting at a certain cal limit and taking it down...no admin ever stated a cutoff (800)

[KravGirl]

Originally Posted by jeanessa

she could take as long as she wants to to give it back...but don't take it! Give it back and join the suit!

Hi Jeanessa,

I've e-mailed the kimkinslawsuit address a couple of times over the past 2 months and haven't gotten a reply. Are my e-mails maybe getting kicked over to a spam folder?

Thanks!

Amy

[Just4Me]

Originally Posted by kaligurl

Re:What is our carb limit? 17 Hours, 2 Minutes ago
Hay Thin_again

It's best not exceed the 1000 cals,, 20 carbs, 20-30 fat grams, and keep the Protein at 60-90 grams per day. These are the limits for newbies, but you will find that as you stick with the plan you will see lower numbers in all the above categories. ...

Looks like we're back where we started. :LeSigh:

20 carbs x 4 = 80 cals +
30 fat x 9 = 270 cals +
90 protein x 4 = 360 cals
total = 710 cals

Uhh, there's no way that's even close to the 1000 cut off, so no worries there. But that does not meet the supposed 800 "minimum". And these are LIMITS. And as they continue, they will see lower numbers, i.e., eat less. Well, until ....

Anyone still a KK member and looking to join Banned Camp? Post the math for other members, maybe SOMEONE will wake up and realize what they're being told to do.

[susique333]

Originally Posted by Just4Me

Looks like we're back where we started. :LeSigh:

20 carbs x 4 = 80 cals
30 fat x 9 = 270 cals
+90 protein x 4 = 360 cals
total = 710 cals

Uhh, there's no way that's even close to the 1000 cut off, so no worries there. But that does not meet the supposed 800 "minimum". And these are LIMITS. And as they continue, they will see lower numbers, i.e., eat less. Well, until ....

Anyone still a KK member and looking to join Banned Camp? Post the math for other members, maybe SOMEONE will wake up and realize what they're being told to do.

WOW, good math! Im going to try to do the math for how Heidi personally coached me back in DEC.

60grams protein MAX= 240 cals?
1 tea. of fat per meal (no more!) so thats 12 grms for 1 T= 108?
20 carbs=80 cals?

Holy cow.... I never ever was able to keep it this low and I still got sick! I still feel like a dingbat for falling under her spell.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by TerryC

She's probably deleted anything she might have said about the fundraiser by now.

You are probably right! I guess the attorneys and the Foster Agency might have some clout when it comes to digging up that information. All they'd have to do is depose TT or the bank/Paypal records. Easy to do!

[Smythe]

Originally Posted by AllieCat0817

Oh Kajun how I wish you could post something to Kimmer now... I'd love to see that back n forth, for old times sake. Especially given the recent revelations.

I'd buy a ticket to that show

[SMP]

Originally Posted by Jazlyn

I have a headache. I am thinking way too much.
...
By the looks of her weight loss in the past 3 weeks I'd say she's doing the 2 cups of lettuce and a dried up chicken breast per day plan.

I guess if people are glad to pay 60 bucks for a new and improved diet which is actually atkins no one is going to change their minds.

In fact, I think Heidi could have lost all that weight (looks like 123 pounds, but minus the 100) simply by dropping the alcohol, w/o changing the greasy hamburgs or even the sugar cookies. It's astounding how even a small alcohol component to your diet can stop weight loss dead - and hers sounds like a sizeable portion of her diet! Maybe it'll be known as the Ban the Captain diet!

[WOOFY]

I've been thinking a lot about why someone would go to such great lengths to lie and deceive. However, its not so hard when I look around and realize that there are several people I know in my life who are just as insane.

I suspect Heidi Diaz is a person who, like us, has dieted and failed, perhaps several times.

I also suspect that creating these online personas was a way for her to cope with the repeated failures to lose weight. Creating this "Kimmer" persona alleviated her of failure and gave her a new outlet to be skinny in the virtual world without putting in the work.

Someone like this would think "if they don't know the truth, then I'll be fine." They would get a high off of fabricating stories and they would keep fabricating stories because of the sense of empowerment. This further reinforces the "why lose weight when I can fake it" mentality. Other people would notice the changes and commend her on her progress, the ego would grow bigger and bigger, although we know the poor elastic on the stretch pants is hanging on for dear life. They would live this virtual skinny life in front of the computer monitor, completely secure in their delusion while munching on cookies and dispensing dietary advice.

With that said, let's try to think like Heidi Diaz (minus the stretch pants).....

To support the grandiose scheme outlined above:

I would create Fawn back in the LCF days to support my cause and I will resurrect Fawn in the website for the same purpose.

I would create multiple user names for the same purpose.

I would seek out people like Becky with her "nutritionalist" background (LOL..couldn't resist) to unknowingly validate my scam.

PLAN B: When people like Becky, Deni or Christin realize the scam, sack them and hire insecure minions to moderate the forums.

Then, when doo-doo hits the fan, I would retract the previous before/after picture and use a real of myself, even though it was from 20 years ago....

Now, let me be clear...........I'm not trying to give her any kind of excuse.....she is despicable and disgusting and must be destroyed!

Kimmer's undoing was that the same ego that created Kimkins also betrayed her. I think we can all agree that everything changed post-WWD. But that was also the silver lining because look at where we are today. Several TV shows and a deposition later, she's cowering. I would've say bending backwards, but I doubt she can bend forwards.

As much as she's trying to backpedal, this doesn't abdicate her responsibilities and of her deception using fake models, which reeks to me of stealing other people identities, not to mention her own fabricated weight loss.

If Heidi Diaz can use the internet to expand her dreams of grandeur, we are just as empowered to drive her out of business and shut down her scam. Her ability to prey on people's insecurities is what keeps her business. We need to continue to counter that by flooding the internet with information.

I commend everyone on here who has been working hard to uncover the lies and for Jeanessa (sorry is spelling is wrong) for pursuing the lawsuit, not to mention the support.

Lying does not pay in the end and never does. That is just the law of the universe.

[wackytobeme]

Originally Posted by kaligurl

I know who you..I was laughing so hard when I read your posts..I will see if I can log in and check for ya..I even remember your name..he he..thats how much they talked about you...lol

Yeah, that's why I waited so long to post anyway, couldn't change my user name and didn't really want to ask an admin.

Originally Posted by sweetpoison

O.K. I did the request for a refund thing....have not heard about it....Has anyone else?
Vicki

I did; got the generic low priority email...IF I should actually get it I will send it back. Since I violated an ARBITRARY TOS that didn't exist when I joined, I expect I will not receive it.

Originally Posted by kaligurl

Ok wacky I don't see your posts anymore..sorry

REEALLLYY????? I just can't imagine it!

Originally Posted by susique333

Those CREEPS really do think they can just erase posts and no one will know or care. And they call US a bunch of haters? Erasing points of views on KK just causes more dissatisfied people to find a place where they CAN vent. Welcome to all the newbies!! Its like scrubbing out an ink spot...its gonna spread!

Here, here, I hope AmyB noticed, she was "praising" Heidi for allowing people to speak their minds. I really am worried about her, I hope you finally sees what's going on and makes a break... I really think she's one of the good people.