Why the fascination with Kimmer? #9

[This time]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Do you think she'll see her shadow?

You never know?

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by htxfroggy

I just saw a commercial for M&J. They said on Monday they investigate an online diet site. Showing in the back ground is KK's home page.

LoOoving it.

Originally Posted by CarolynF

Whoa!! Who will be the first to see this on Monday?

Us Midwesterners will see it at 10 CST..

Some folks seem to get it at 8 a.m...Is this right???

I'll see it at 9.

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

"THE KIMMER",
I know you couldn't possible be reading this, but just in case I thought I would explain why we all were under the impression that the "red dress pic" was you. You claimed it in your advertising, but I guess you will blame that on some non-existent marketing staff. But funny how we also got this idea based on your own words on your forum at kimkins.
See below for a more thorough explanation.
Regards, Those of us


I have cut out the member asking the question and the rest of the posts in the thread but I do have screen shots of the thread in its entirety for validation. The green highlighting is mine...

Heh.

Originally Posted by OhYeahBabe

(1) It started with lies and manipulation.

(2) Eating doesn't work. Starving does.

(3) Inspiration? Via shame?

(4) What color are those glasses you have on?

(5) You are correct. She sits and schemes in silence, while her admin(ions) and sock puppets do all her work.

(6) I oversnipped, but no, I never thought the red dress girl was Kimmer, but she's the one who said it was - over and over, with elaborate lies. Apparently you're new.

ETA: I can't believe I'm responding to a sock puppet. I agree that this is Kimmer, I was just repsonding to the fake points she was trying to score.

Originally Posted by Elloise

I thought that, too, except for one glaring error.

"I never senses that Kimmer....."

I can't believe that Kimmer would make such a typo, even on purpose. She has impeccable grammer and spelling skills. I don't ever remember her making an error.

Obviously, Kimmer has a sky-high IQ, but what has she done with it? Nothing! What a waste.

I've seen typos in her posts before.

Originally Posted by HoneyBee2

This forum may have been described like this earlier and I just overlooked it but look at the area I highlighted.
So now "DR." Mark is qualified to delve into psychological issues?
Wow, I have been seeing the wrong healthcare providers. I could just do a one stop shopping if I had a "Dr" Mark around here.

Now he's a psychiatric counselor too? The man is amazing. lol

Originally Posted by Jazlyn

Something sticks in my mind and it really bothers me. The woman who said...I'll be bald but I'll be thin. (or something like that) That is just so warped. Is society that desperate to be thin? And what are you going to do when you gain the weight back and have no hair to boot?

It's easy to say that losing your hair wouldn't bother you until you're actually losing your hair. I imagine she'd see it differently if it were her reality.

Originally Posted by dws1119

Thought this was cute for all you Amy's

That's great!

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Do you think she'll see her shadow?

[Just4Me]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

Great news and I hope you are right. The IRS/attorney/SSI authorities will be happy to hear that - 40,000 x approx $60/apiece = very happy plaintiffs. Refunds/damages/taxes/attorney fees will wipe out her nest egg. Not to mention that government assistance will probably stop. Time to get a "real" job!

Except if every member gets their $15-60 back, what's gonna be left to pay the "damages/taxes/attorney fees" (and let's add, though it might not happen until Uncle Sam gets involved, refunding SSI payments at least from while she was making this KK $$)?

Not only that, I'll betcha the attorneys (if on contingency) get their cut before the plaintiffs get paid. So that would mean LESS than $15-60 refunds for membership.

Unless she's invested the $$ intelligently and super aggressively, seems like a woman on SSI (which is what she'd return to financiall speaking, after refunding membership fees) won't have the $$ to pay these. If she's legitimately been on SSI, what kind of job will she get that can possibly cover these? If she's NOT been legitimately on SSI, maybe that won't be a problem. If she's run other scams, and has $$ no one knows about, that may or may not become available.

The refunds are the MOST I can see her returning, until we know more about her finances. As for the other stuff, frankly I don't see it happening. However, that doesn't mean other things might happen, like being ordered to shut KK down or make certain changes or other stuff I can't think of right now (pre-caffeine).

Poor TT's salary will probably not exist anymore and hopefully she has been paid in advance. I hope she got an advance on her travel expenses because that might be more "out of pocket" expenses that she will have to eat. Her poor husband is going to be very upset about that.

Assuming Heidi only has the SSI income beyond the KK $$, anything TT's been paid will only diminish the ACTUAL amount the plaintiffs CAN recover, imo----where's that $$ gonna come from? Same problem as above.

Sigh. Assuming I didn't miss something earlier about her being wealthy for whatever reason before starting this KK "business", I'm skeptical about the actual $$ people will recover.

Regardless of all of this, there's satisfaction knowing that Heidi's "free ride" and scam are about to come to a screeching halt. It's just a matter of time. I almost pity her. Almost.

[Peskypict]

Originally Posted by ketosis

The bolding is mine. This is totally Kimmer. Stroke those of you smart enough to get it and to have been on side for so long. Those that don't get it are just stupid and uneducated. Hideykins is "aw shucks just a private gal who likes to help folks lose weight that is all". She won't defend herself she will post as sockpuppets to rally the troops.

And cast doubt on the real issues while refusing to answer the big questions. Bait and switch.

She must have laid off (or is it layed off? ) the Captain Morgans and really worked on this to soften it but if you have read her work here in the old days you will recognize all of the classic manipulation patterns of her style.

Yup that is Kimmer/Hideykins. No doubt.

IS SHE KIDDING??? Did we believe that the lady in red was her? Well yah! Color me stupid but since she said that was her after picture...YES!

And say I didn't think that was her... I certainly thought the other before and after pictures were of REAL people.

*rolling eyes* Isn't this the pattern of verbal abuse they describe in abusive relationships, where the person turns your thoughts against you and tells you having your own opinion isn't legitimate?

Who the heck does she think she's gaslighting?

I'm wondering what Monday's excuse for not leaving the house will be... "I'm sorry...I'm agorophobic, medical condition. Unless you have cookies and donuts waiting for me at the courthouse I can't leave my building. Sorry."

[Peskypict]

Originally Posted by This time

You never know?

"Blink"

Y'all are assuming she has a shadow? I thought creatures of the night didn't cast one so they could blend into the shadows easier...

My bad.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Just4Me

Sigh. Assuming I didn't miss something earlier about her being wealthy for whatever reason before starting this KK "business", I'm skeptical about the actual $$ people will recover.

Speaking only for myself, I don't expect to see a refund. It's enough to me that she'll be out of business for this scam at least, and she'll spend every ill-gotten penny defending herself and paying the plaintiff's attorney.

Originally Posted by Peskypict

IS SHE KIDDING??? Did we believe that the lady in red was her? Well yah! Color me stupid but since she said that was her after picture...YES!

And say I didn't think that was her... I certainly thought the other before and after pictures were of REAL people.

Gee, I wonder what made us think that Lesya was Kimmer??? Lemme see..... oh yeah, perhaps it was her description of the photo shoot about how she had to squirm to get into that position (hides a lot, ya know!).......I'd say that's a pretty good indictment of how Kimmer claimed that Lesya was her, and it's just a wild guess, but I'd bet my bottom dollar that someone has screen shots of that, lest she try to claim she never said it.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Peskypict

"Blink"

Y'all are assuming she has a shadow? I thought creatures of the night didn't cast one so they could blend into the shadows easier...

My bad.

No, my bad! I forgot about that creature of the night thing!

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by Just4Me

Except if every member gets their $15-60 back, what's gonna be left to pay the "damages/taxes/attorney fees" (and let's add, though it might not happen until Uncle Sam gets involved, refunding SSI payments at least from while she was making this KK $$)?

Not only that, I'll betcha the attorneys (if on contingency) get their cut before the plaintiffs get paid. So that would mean LESS than $15-60 refunds for membership.

Unless she's invested the $$ intelligently and super aggressively, seems like a woman on SSI (which is what she'd return to financiall speaking, after refunding membership fees) won't have the $$ to pay these. If she's legitimately been on SSI, what kind of job will she get that can possibly cover these? If she's NOT been legitimately on SSI, maybe that won't be a problem. If she's run other scams, and has $$ no one knows about, that may or may not become available.

The refunds are the MOST I can see her returning, until we know more about her finances. As for the other stuff, frankly I don't see it happening. However, that doesn't mean other things might happen, like being ordered to shut KK down or make certain changes or other stuff I can't think of right now (pre-caffeine).



Assuming Heidi only has the SSI income beyond the KK $$, anything TT's been paid will only diminish the ACTUAL amount the plaintiffs CAN recover, imo----where's that $$ gonna come from? Same problem as above.

Sigh. Assuming I didn't miss something earlier about her being wealthy for whatever reason before starting this KK "business", I'm skeptical about the actual $$ people will recover.

Regardless of all of this, there's satisfaction knowing that Heidi's "free ride" and scam are about to come to a screeching halt. It's just a matter of time. I almost pity her. Almost.

I'd give up my refund (if I had one coming), just to see her brought to justice. She refunded my $14.95 about 5 minutes after she banned me.

I'm sure the attorney/IRS/SSI officials will get their cut first. If there is anything left over - it will be divided. They can attach an IOU to future income and whatever she has in her bank accounts that have nothing to do with the KK site. I'm sure the SSI will cease to exist when this all comes out in the open.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

I'd give up my refund (if I had one coming), just to see her brought to justice. She refunded my $14.95 about 5 minutes after she banned me.

What was your technique for that? You probably had cards to play that the rest of us didn't.

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

I'd give up my refund (if I had one coming), just to see her brought to justice. She refunded my $14.95 about 5 minutes after she banned me.

I'm sure the attorney/IRS/SSI officials will get their cut first. If there is anything left over - it will be divided. They can attach an IOU to future income and whatever she has in her bank accounts that have nothing to do with the KK site. I'm sure the SSI will cease to exist when this all comes out in the open.

they will cease unless she can prove to SS that she is incapable of holding a job---but all money received from SS during "gainful employment" from KK site will have to be refunded

this is from the SS website:

NOTE: If we find that you gave us false information on purpose, your benefits will be stopped. For the first violation, your benefits will be stopped for six months; for the second violation, 12 months; and for the third, 24 months. Also, if you do not report a change, it may result in your being paid too much. If you are overpaid, you will have to repay the money.

If you work while receiving disability payments

You should tell us if you take a job or become self-employed, no matter how little you earn. If you are still disabled, you will be eligible for a trial work period, and you can continue receiving benefits for up to nine months. Also, tell us if you have any special work expenses because of your disability (such as *specialized equipment, a wheelchair or even some prescription drugs) or if there is any change in the amount of the expenses.




Two things can cause us to decide that you are no longer disabled and to stop your benefits.

• Your disability benefits will stop if you work at a level we consider "substantial." In 2007, average earnings of $900 or more per month ($1,500 or more per month if you are blind) are usually considered substantial.
• Your disability benefits also will stop if we decide that your medical condition has improved to the point that you are no longer disabled.

You are responsible for promptly reporting any improvement in your condition, if you return to work, and certain other events as long as you are receiving disability benefits. The booklet we send you when your application is approved explains what you need to report to us.





How your earnings affect your Social Security benefits

During the trial work period, there are no limits on your earnings. During the 36-month extended period of eligibility, you usually can make no more than $900 a month or your benefits will stop. But, the work expenses you have as a result of your disability are deducted when we count your earnings to see if they can help you keep more of your benefits. If you have extra work expenses, your earnings could be substantially higher than $900 before they affect your benefits. This substantial earnings amount usually increases each year.
We deduct work expenses related to your disability from your earnings before we determine if you are still eligible for benefits. These expenses may include the cost of any item or service you need to work, even if the item or service also is useful to you in your daily living. Examples include prescription drugs, transportation to and from work (under certain conditions), a personal attendant or job coach, a wheelchair or any specialized work equipment.

Returning benefits not due

If you receive a check that you know is not due, take it to any Social Security office or return it to the U.S. Treasury Department at the address on the check envelope. You should write VOID on the front of the check and enclose a note telling why you are sending the check back. If you have direct deposit and receive a payment you should not have gotten, call or visit your Social Security office. We will tell you how you can return it.
If you knowingly accept payments that are not due you, you may face criminal charges.

so let's see--40,000 x 60---kinda goes over that $900 limit doesn't it.....

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

What was your technique for that? You probably had cards to play that the rest of us didn't.

She knew my husband was a retired attorney (and he could become unretired quickly). In fact she read a statement I posted over here and didn't like my nasty post. She said to tell my husband to "bring it on"

Originally Posted by dws1119

they will cease unless she can prove to SS that she is incapable of holding a job---but all money received from SS during "gainful employment" from KK site will have to be refunded

this is from the SS website:

so let's see--40,000 x 60---kinda goes over that $900 limit doesn't it.....

Very very interesting. I'd say she's in big financial difficulties. OMG I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. This doesn't even touch on the fact that she accepted the fund raising money collected for her foster children. I think the foster care agencies are investigating that issue.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by dws1119

so let's see--40,000 x 60---kinda goes over that $900 limit doesn't it.....

Actually, not all 40,000 paid the 59.95. The dues started at 14.95 and I believe there were three increases in all. I can't remember the increments of each increase, but once I calculated it out figuring [conservatively] that 10K paid 14.95, 10K paid 19.95, 10K paid 39.95, and 10K paid 59.95. The grand total was $1,348,000. Mind you, that is conservative. I do believe that as the site gained momentum, the majority of enrollments were at the higher dollar level.

[Just4Me]

Originally Posted by dws1119

...

so let's see--40,000 x 60---kinda goes over that $900 limit doesn't it.....

Just being a nitpicker (thanks, Mom!)--the first few members joined at ~$15, then $30, then $40. Did it leap up from $39.95 to $59.95, or was there another interim stage?

Anyway, this doesn't change your point---even if the first 4000 members all joined at $14.95, that alone is over $900.


ETA: Magicsmom has the numbers. But your point is still valid. Heidi gives those who receive SSI a bad name!

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Actually, not all 40,000 paid the 59.95. The dues started at 14.95 and I believe there were three increases in all. I can't remember the increments of each increase, but once I calculated it out figuring [conservatively] that 10K paid 14.95, 10K paid 19.95, 10K paid 39.95, and 10K paid 59.95. The grand total was $1,348,000. Mind you, that is conservative. I do believe that as the site gained momentum, the majority of enrollments were at the higher dollar level.

I think the majority joined after the WW feature hit the stands and that was at $60.00. Maybe someone that has that 'archive' website can go back to see what the numbers were prior to the WW edition and after. That would be interesting!

Then when all this stuff hit the fan - she took down the count from her home page.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by Just4Me

Just being a nitpicker (thanks, Mom!)--the first few members joined at ~$15, then $30, then $40. Did it leap up from $39.95 to $59.95, or was there another interim stage?

Anyway, this doesn't change your point---even if the first 4000 members all joined at $14.95, that alone is over $900.


ETA: Magicsmom has the numbers. But your point is still valid. Heidi gives those who receive SSI a bad name!

AND she can't deduct her expenses to get it below the $900/month. I would think the amount is gross not net.

[Just4Me]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

... Very very interesting. I'd say she's in big financial difficulties. OMG I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. This doesn't even touch on the fact that she accepted the fund raising money collected for her foster children. I think the foster care agencies are investigating that issue.

I know! But remember there are 3 different things going on here:

1. The civil fraud against Nessa, et al.;
2. The scamming of the government and fraudulently continuing to receive SSI (is this confirmed? Has she? Anyone know?); and
3. The criminal fraud of falsely soliciting funds for the foster kids: (1) that itself is illegal, even if she gave the foster kids the $$; and (2) keeping the money after soliciting it (or being complicit in its solicitation).
4. BTW, seems like #3 would give rise to more civil liability for fraud, this one based on the fraudulent solicitation.

This may well just scratch the surface, who knows. I agree, Cheryl, I would NOT be able to sleep!! lol

[Nady]

Originally Posted by Magicsmom

Actually, not all 40,000 paid the 59.95. The dues started at 14.95 and I believe there were three increases in all. I can't remember the increments of each increase, but once I calculated it out figuring [conservatively] that 10K paid 14.95, 10K paid 19.95, 10K paid 39.95, and 10K paid 59.95. The grand total was $1,348,000. Mind you, that is conservative. I do believe that as the site gained momentum, the majority of enrollments were at the higher dollar level.

The 40,000 that Becky referred to on her blog were those that joined after the WW story hit~ so that would be at the $60 fee.
~~~N

[BamaGal]

Originally Posted by Just4Me

I know! But remember there are 3 different things going on here:

1. The civil fraud against Nessa, et al.;
2. The scamming of the government and fraudulently continuing to receive SSI (is this confirmed? Has she? Anyone know?); and
3. The criminal fraud of falsely soliciting funds for the foster kids: (1) that itself is illegal, even if she gave the foster kids the $$; and (2) keeping the money after soliciting it (or being complicit in its solicitation).
4. BTW, seems like #3 would give rise to more civil liability for fraud, this one based on the fraudulent solicitation.

This may well just scratch the surface, who knows. I agree, Cheryl, I would NOT be able to sleep!! lol

But she's "judgment proof" remember-

-so of course she is sleeping....

[HoneyBee2]

Originally Posted by dws1119

But she's "judgment proof" remember-

-so of course she is sleeping....