Why the fascination with Kimmer? #9

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Violet Skye

As for the custody arrangement he has with his kids' mom, this is abso-freaking-lutely none of my business. It also has nothing to do with his professional practice, and aside from riling up people who are going through this or have gone through this, this part of the discussion serves no purpose whatsoever IMHO.

Makes me wonder why he thought it was necessary to bring it up. The whole tone on his letter sounds like HE is the one striving with hostility.

[ketosis]

Ryudragon "Dr Mark's" response to you sounds rather patriarchal and patronizing to me. Nothing about his training or credentials or practice but lots of "I am a good man husband father, there there little woman if I use big words you won't understand ".

If I were you I would forward his letter to the body you complained to and ask them what the result of the investigation was. The letter will go on his file and be on record if nothing else.

What a dufus.

What did your original letter say? The Florida Board should send you the results of their investigation shouldn't they?

I guess we knew if he was involved in KK he wasn't the brightest light in the chandelier.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by ketosis

If I were you I would forward his letter to the body you complained to and ask them what the result of the investigation was. The letter will go on his file and be on record if nothing else.

What a dufus.

That is a great suggestion!!! I'll bet they would love to see his reaction and may think twice about giving the address of someone who requests an investigation in the future.

[fjeld]

I've just become a member and wanted to thank you guys for the entertainment you've given me with your comments since I started following the Kimmer threads and for accomplishing the pending downfall of "the Kimmer" a k a wrecker of hopes and health.

I only tried Kimkins for a week last spring after reading about it in some old threads here on the LCF forum. Lost a couple of kilos and gained them all back with the first piece of cauliflower I put in my mouth... And it also severely tampered with my tastebuds' regard for ovenbaked chicken au naturel

In spite of this I considered trying Kimkins again this fall. "Kimmer" seemed so nice and what an example! But luckily I found my way here and to some blogs instead and found out the truth


I'm thinking The Lady in Red by Chris de Burgh is a perfect theme song to this Kimmer "saga" although a version performed by ducks would be preferable. There's actually a woman reclining in a patio chair in the video

YouTube - Chris De Burgh--Lady In Red

[ryudragon]

[quote=Chelveston;9458216]What was your specific complaint/question to the State of Florida?



Because I did not keep a photocopy (lazy and bad with paperwork ) I have to give a generalization -- I basically asked them to investigate whether he was practicing outside the scope of his license. I gave them the link to his website where he lists what he claims he can legally perform. I made no accusations, I just asked them to make sure he wasn't stepping outside his licensure boundaries.

Violet Skye,
He wrote the letter bringing up his personal family situation -- if he didn't want it out there he wouldn't have aired it. I didn't investigate his family, he made it personal -- I was just voicing my opinion; sorry if it offended, but he wrote it -- if he didn't want my opinion he shouldn't have written me the letter -- if he wanted a 'private' opinion from me he should have given me his address.

As far as it taking time out of his day -- if they found nothing wrong with what he was advertising I doubt they would have taken the time for an investigation; maybe I'm wrong. In any case, I don’t see asking the agency that oversees the medical field in Fl. to check the credentials of a practicing medical professional as harassment – sorry. As a medical professional he should be glad that an agency is governing his field; without that agency investigating, any quack can hang out a sign and practice any field of medicine they choose. His cooperation keeps his field 'clean.'

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by ketosis

Ryudragon "Dr Mark's" response to you sounds rather patriarchal and patronizing to me. Nothing about his training or credentials or practice but lots of "I am a good man husband father, there there little woman if I use big words you won't understand ".

If I were you I would forward his letter to the body you complained to and ask them what the result of the investigation was. The letter will go on his file and be on record if nothing else.

What a dufus.

What did your original letter say? The Florida Board should send you the results of their investigation shouldn't they?

I guess we knew if he was involved in KK he wasn't the brightest light in the chandelier.

Great idea about sending a copy of his letter to the investigating team.

I wonder if he will send Heidi a C&D e-mail. If not - his suggestions are still floating around as "gospel" not to mention all the credentials he posted.

Regarding the privacy issue ..... I just read it to my husband and he said "someone leaked info" from what he gathers. How he got your identify info prior to determining if a violation was committed is beyond him. He suggested to call them and ask why and how he got your private info. Then you can tell him that this guy is writing to you at home..... Let us know what you found out!

[xf89]

Originally Posted by Fjeld

I've just become a member and wanted to thank you guys for the entertainment you've given me with your comments since I started following the Kimmer threads and for accomplishing the pending downfall of "the Kimmer" a k a wrecker of hopes and health.

I only tried Kimkins for a week last spring after reading about it in some old threads here on the LCF forum. Lost a couple of kilos and gained them all back with the first piece of cauliflower I put in my mouth... And it also severely tampered with my tastebuds' regard for ovenbaked chicken au naturel

In spite of this I considered trying Kimkins again this fall. "Kimmer" seemed so nice and what an example! But luckily I found my way here and to some blogs instead and found out the truth


I'm thinking The Lady in Red by Chris de Burgh is a perfect theme song to this Kimmer "saga" although a version performed by ducks would be preferable. There's actually a woman reclining in a patio chair in the video

[ixtapacheryl]

[quote=ryudragon;9458356]

Originally Posted by Chelveston

What was your specific complaint/question to the State of Florida?



Because I did not keep a photocopy (lazy and bad with paperwork ) I have to give a generalization -- I basically asked them to investigate whether he was practicing outside the scope of his license. I gave them the link to his website where he lists what he claims he can legally perform. I made no accusations, I just asked them to make sure he wasn't stepping outside his licensure boundaries.

Violet Skye,
He wrote the letter bringing up his personal family situation -- if he didn't want it out there he wouldn't have aired it. I didn't investigate his family, he made it personal -- I was just voicing my opinion; sorry if it offended, but he wrote it -- if he didn't want my opinion he shouldn't have written me the letter -- if he wanted a 'private' opinion from me he should have given me his address.

As far as it taking time out of his day -- if they found nothing wrong with what he was advertising I doubt they would have taken the time for an investigation; maybe I'm wrong. In any case, I don’t see asking the agency that oversees the medical field in Fl. to check the credentials of a practicing medical professional as harassment – sorry. As a medical professional he should be glad that an agency is governing his field; without that agency investigating, any quack can hang out a sign and practice any field of medicine they choose. His cooperation keeps his field 'clean.'

Did this committee have a copy of what he posted on the KK site (his credentials, etc.) and saying he was a "doctor"?

[ryudragon]

[quote=ketosis;9458287]If I were you I would forward his letter to the body you complained to and ask them what the result of the investigation was. The letter will go on his file and be on record if nothing else.QUOTE]

SUPER idea -- this I'll do. Thanks!

They wrote me a letter last week saying the investigation was ongoing and that when a decision was reached I would be contacted. I actually have the investigator's contact phone # and complaint# (was thinking of calling him to find out why he let out my personal info., but if it's allowed there's not much to call him on). I truly didn't want to put anyone out, I just wanted to make sure someone going around claiming to be licensed to practice almost everything besides surgery was legit and not harming anyone.

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by Fjeld

I've just become a member and wanted to thank you guys for the entertainment you've given me with your comments since I started following the Kimmer threads and for accomplishing the pending downfall of "the Kimmer" a k a wrecker of hopes and health.

to our little club. You will love it here - everyone is wonderful and so supportive.

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by Fjeld

I've just become a member and wanted to thank you guys for the entertainment you've given me with your comments since I started following the Kimmer threads and for accomplishing the pending downfall of "the Kimmer" a k a wrecker of hopes and health.

Welcome to the zoo!

[ixtapacheryl]

[quote=ryudragon;9458407]

Originally Posted by ketosis

If I were you I would forward his letter to the body you complained to and ask them what the result of the investigation was. The letter will go on his file and be on record if nothing else.QUOTE]

SUPER idea -- this I'll do. Thanks!

They wrote me a letter last week saying the investigation was ongoing and that when a decision was reached I would be contacted. I actually have the investigator's contact phone # and complaint# (was thinking of calling him to find out why he let out my personal info., but if it's allowed there's not much to call him on). I truly didn't want to put anyone out, I just wanted to make sure someone going around claiming to be licensed to practice almost everything besides surgery was legit and not harming anyone.

You had every right to do what you did! Don't apologize ..... and I congratulate you on going out of your way to do this....

[Magicsmom]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

Did this committee have a copy of what he posted on the KK site (his credentials, etc.) and saying he was a "doctor"?

Didn't he say on his website that he's a primary care doctor?

[jayed]

[quote=ryudragon;9458407]

Originally Posted by ketosis

If I were you I would forward his letter to the body you complained to and ask them what the result of the investigation was. The letter will go on his file and be on record if nothing else.QUOTE]

SUPER idea -- this I'll do. Thanks!

They wrote me a letter last week saying the investigation was ongoing and that when a decision was reached I would be contacted. I actually have the investigator's contact phone # and complaint# (was thinking of calling him to find out why he let out my personal info., but if it's allowed there's not much to call him on). I truly didn't want to put anyone out, I just wanted to make sure someone going around claiming to be licensed to practice almost everything besides surgery was legit and not harming anyone.

I agree with Cheryl's husband. It sounds like your information was leaked. I would contact the investigator and let him know what happened and find out why/how.

[TinaBina]

I can't belive that this agency would give out our name & address. Probably it was leaked, but I would contact them immediately and let them know that he has written to you.

[rebel]

Aaaaaaaand -- we're off! Just like a horse race. I'm glad we've got some action going. The only action I've had the last couple of days is trying to stay out of the light to keep the sun from shining on my scalp where my hair has fallen out! I don't want Heidi to think we are letting her off the hook.

Ryudragon -- I think I would contact the investigator. If you send that letter to them, be sure to keep yourself a copy of it.

[conbofan9]

This guy smelled fishy from the beginning. I would absolutely contact the agency and find out HOW and WHY he has your PERSONNAL address and let them know that he wrote you a kinda/sorta nasty letter telling you to get a life and stop trying to ruin his!

If the agency is there to PROTECT the public they certainly didnt do a good job on this one!! Did you notice where the letter was mailed from?? maybe it wasnt even from HIM...I am thinking....someone pretending to be him??? hint hint...I mean, from the beginning there was speculation that he was a friend of Senorita Tippy, maybe she found out he was being investigated and she told him she would take care of it...were you ever a KK member? Maybe that is HOW "HE" got your address?.,.,, or maybe I read too many mystery novels..

[gibster]

Ryudragon - I'm a firm believer in writing complaint letters, but if you have the investigator's phone #, definitely give him a call and just ask him what the privacy policy is. Then you can tell him about the letter - see what he says. He will probably ask you to send him a copy, but I'm in favor of calling him first. He might not be the one who leaked the info, and needs to know if one of his staff is being bad.

Good luck.

[JustKim]

absolutely forward the letter to the agency investigating. I'll be curious to see if I get one as well??

[Susiecarbojunkie]

Originally Posted by fatchick68

So, let me get this straight, you got a letter from this man complaining that you were trying to ruin his life because you had the nerve to inquire about his credentials?!

He should reread that letter himself. All I got from that was that he obviously left his first wife for a young nurse and now has to inconvenience himself in order to see his kids on weekends!!

Originally Posted by Chelveston

What was your specific complaint/question to the State of Florida?



It does sound that way.

Where was the statement that he wished that all of his "patients" were so active in their health care?

Sounds like a lash out letter to me.

Whether or not the man has credentials is beside the point--his response to you was uncalled for and unprofessional. Perhaps the state board would be interested in a copy of the letter.

As for ruining the poor guy's life---sounds like he's done it to himself and doesn't believe he should have to be held accountable for anything seing as how he's sooooo upright morally........methinks he doth protest too much...

You were well within your rights to question about him. It would be really interesting to know what they found, though.......

[ixtapacheryl]

Originally Posted by conbofan9

This guy smelled fishy from the beginning. I would absolutely contact the agency and find out HOW and WHY he has your PERSONNAL address and let them know that he wrote you a kinda/sorta nasty letter telling you to get a life and stop trying to ruin his!

If the agency is there to PROTECT the public they certainly didnt do a good job on this one!! Did you notice where the letter was mailed from?? maybe it wasnt even from HIM...I am thinking....someone pretending to be him??? hint hint...I mean, from the beginning there was speculation that he was a friend of Senorita Tippy, maybe she found out he was being investigated and she told him she would take care of it...were you ever a KK member? Maybe that is HOW "HE" got your address?.,.,, or maybe I read too many mystery novels..

What's interesting is that if the investigating agents found him A-OK and he wasn't violating any laws - you'd think he would have stated that in his letter (bragging, etc.). If it were me - I sure would have.

Good idea on who possibly could have leaked your name and address. If you did belong to KK's site - I'm sure they could find out where you lived. That's pretty easy to do.

Was the letter on his company's letterhead? If not - maybe TT or Heidi wrote the letter.

[conbofan9]

Originally Posted by ixtapacheryl

Was the letter on his company's letterhead? If not - maybe TT or Heidi wrote the letter.

that's what I am thinking!!! scare tactics! first things first, she needs to find out IF the agency really gave him her info. which I highly DOUBT!!! you cannot request an inquiry on someone, or file a complaint on someone and have the agency give THEM your INFO!!! it just seems wrong to me...screw up? leak? or all a lie once again...just when you thought it couldnt get any stranger......it gets stranger!

[2big4mysize]

Did you mention kimkins in your complaint? IF not that was a big jump on his part to assume you were a Kimkins.com person.
Definitely contact the investigator on the phone immediately and follow up with a copy of the letter. I'm sure even if he was allowed to know who filed the complaint their ethics board would love to know how Dr Mark responds to questionsabout his credentials.

[susique333]

I’m thinking of writing him back, although he did not put a return address on his letter. . . hmmmmm.
Oh well dr. Mark, this will sound callous to such an upstanding and moral citizen, but I don’t care a rat’s behind about your personal life – I DO care about the lives of people you may be harming with your vast medical background and ability to practice across multiple specialties that normally take years of formal training and licensure by reputable boards, but you can practice without censure because you’re an acupuncturist. I’m still waiting for the Division of Medical Quality Assurance to get back to me on their findings. If Florida allows this kind broad scope of ‘medical’ practice without proper licensure I would warn everyone in that State to do a through investigation of their own health care providers. Oh, and I have no “hate” inside, just a healthy dose of fear and skepticism. . . as I said before, I’m not attacking anyone. . . an individual with proper licensure practicing within the guidelines of their specialty has nothing to fear; individuals check on real doctor’s and lawyers credentials all the time, but how many of those doctors and lawyers send off letters to the one inquiring spewing personal info, photos and the claim that someone is trying ’to ruin his life?’[/quote]

My 58 year old husband was a Navy Hospital corpsman. He ran a dispensary in Hawaii and also in Vietnam. He worked with the United States Marine Corps operating forces. I just read him DR. Marks letter and his first response was "What a whiner!" That said, my husband also remarked that not only was it HIGHLY unprofessional for Dr. Mark to write you a personal chastisement for inquiring about his credentials (which if he is a REAL M.D. he will go through time and time again), but also belonging to Kimkins goes against the oath Drs. take. (modern oath) "I will follow that method of treatment which according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of my patient and abstain from whatever is harmful or mischievous." Dr. Mark cannot possibly KNOW the Kimkins starvation diet, for if he did he would see the harm it causes! The Hospital Corpsman pledge my husband took in the Navy included " I will not knowingly permit harm to come to any patient. I will not partake of nor administer any unauthorized medication. I will hold all personal matters pertaining to the private lives of patients in strict confidence. I dedicate my heart, mind and strength to the work before me. I shall do all within my power to show in myself an example of all that is honorable and good throughout my naval career."

After re-reading Dr. Marks letter, I wonder if his wife helped him write that tirade. Not to be mean, but it did seem overly "emotional". And if it was me, I'd send that letter right back to the Board. I dont think it looks good for a "DR" to try to intimidate someone who had legit questions.