Why the fascination with Kimmer? #9

[MissMerize]

Here's the ticker (in case you all needed additional proof of her progress)

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by SMP

Looks like a hospital bracelet to me, the kind they give as an i.d. whether you're admitted or not. Or maybe she just likes flat green bracelets worn so tightly that they need to be cut off before her circulation is.

Looks like one of those dollar braclets sold to promote the cause-of-the-day. Lance Armstrong started that whole thing. Hey, maybe Kimmer is selling those things to raise money for her defense, or to have funds for all those refunds she's giving out ... The Free Kimmer Fund ...

[SPECK]

I hope Dana114 knows about Kimmer. After all those years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by SMP

Beyond the fact I considered that an asinine lawsuit (and ALL the coffee shops immediately added the warning about "Hot Contents" to their takeout cups, as well as lowering the hot setting by 10*F after the coffee was made), a scald is visible and verifiable. It is also immediate. Try proving that a weight gain that took place, maybe for the umpteenth time, and a defunct thyroid contributing to that weight gain, are the results of a single event, or even a single diet. Then tie in the health consequences of a defunct thyroid - the hair loss, the heart palpitations, the subnormal body temps, acne, and whatever else as a single happening. Can't be done. (Although Oprah tried to blame her thyroid condition on her overwork and schedule last spring. Nah, it's been years in the making with all her yo-yo weight loss. It merely caught up to her at last.)
Like I said - if a virgin (first time) dieter started with Kimkins, followed it w/o deviation, had no bad habits, and was 100% healthy according to a full roster of tests taken when she started, and THEN she keeled over dead, you might have the basis for a provable lawsuit. But I'd rather see Heidi get finger-slapped and walk away free than see that possibility come true. And now it's no longer Kimkins, but Atkins with a tweak. Guess who else, besides the obviously unbalanced and now deceased dieter who cut her doctor out of the loop will get the blame? Right, Atkins and low carb eating in general.

I do hope that doesn't dissuade anyone from talking to an attorney about it. PI can be tricky, and since it doesn't cost to talk to one, anyone who has a potential claim should get legal advice - and as I said I'm NOT a lawyer. I also have nothing to gain one way or another in the matter.

[Rose1271]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

Yeah, this definitely looks photoshopped.....

OMG!!! I need a tissue after seeing this one and my nose burns!! LMAO!!!!

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Isn't the bracelet one of those for a cause? Like the pink ones are for Breast Cancer? Yellow is Lance Armstrong, etc. I don't know what the green is but nowdays you can buy all sorts of colors with all sorts of sayings on them. Wonder what hers says. (Kimkins?)

Ack! Didn't read far enough before I posted!

[susique333]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

Yeah, this definitely looks photoshopped.....

Holy Hot Tamale, Im sendin you my photo and let you give me mondo boobees too!

[Diana]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

Actually, I got kimmer going on the meat and martini diet. Look how much she lost in just a few days!

OMG.... that is a riot! I bet she stole this picture this AM!!! She is waiting for when she is about 170lbs

[Jazlyn]

Originally Posted by Mavis

I dunno.....23 pounds is a pretty significant chunk of fat.

If you don't believe me go put 23 pounds of butter in a shopping cart at the grocery store. It is a lot of fat.

Edited to add: Before anyone jumps on me for saying this, please note that I am NOT defending the woman or what she did.
I'm just saying that losing 23 pounds is a significant chunk of fat and I say this from my own experience from back in 1997 when I lost 26 pounds in a month doing Deal A Meal....and I was close to 300 pounds when I started that diet.
After that weight loss even my own sister noticed that I looked quite lot slimmer from the waist down (where I tend to store a LOT of my excess weight)

I agree, it is quite a bit of weight. But I think the heavier you are, the less it shows at first. I had lost 50 lbs before anyone even noticed and then it was nowhere as big of a change as kimmer had.

[MissMerize]

I am absolutely disgusted. This is still on the Thinking about kimkins page:

"I'm hypothyroid. Will Kimkins work for me?

You bet! Kimmer created the diet and is severly hypothyroid. In fact, she says if she stops taking her thyroid medication, her TSH level shoots to 128! She lost 198 lbs in 11 months."

Worst run business of the year. It takes all of 5 minutes to get in there and fix the other crap. There has been more than enough time to get that crap in order.

No, that's not misleading whatsoever.......

[MissMerize]

"Q: Did you lose 198 pounds in 11 months?

A: No. But I did lose 100 pounds in 6 months. However, since Kimkins appeared on the Woman's World cover, I've been glued to my computer. I'm no different than any of you and I'm well familiar with stress eating or grabbing what's handy instead of what's Kimkins friendly. "

Sugar cookies in the car anyone?

[wackytobeme]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

"Q: Did you lose 198 pounds in 11 months?

A: No. But I did lose 100 pounds in 6 months. However, since Kimkins appeared on the Woman's World cover, I've been glued to my computer. I'm no different than any of you and I'm well familiar with stress eating or grabbing what's handy instead of what's Kimkins friendly. "

Sugar cookies in the car anyone?

Yeah so everything she has said in the past is questionable....that's why I questioned her advice to someone regarding maintenance....guess what happened to me

[MomToEli]

Originally Posted by LChottie07

Just popping in to solve the mystery of the green bracelet. She is the only one I know of that has one of those.

That was the last "Kimmerwear" item that we were working on before I left KK...



So yeah.... it's a KK support bracelet.

It IS a Free Kimmer braclet! I knew it!!

[MissMerize]

So, she gained 100 lbs in 4 months. Hmmmm.

If she was so busy typing, there must have been an intravenous hook up to her arm. There is no way, unless, she has learned to type with one hand and feed herself simultaneously with the other.

Maybe she was just spooning butter into her mouth.

It must have been like Thanksgiving every day.

[susique333]

Originally Posted by MissMerize

So, she gained 100 lbs in 4 months. Hmmmm.

If she was so busy typing, there must have been an intravenous hook up to her arm. There is no way, unless, she has learned to type with one hand and feed herself simultaneously with the other.

Maybe she was just spooning butter into her mouth.

It must have been like Thanksgiving every day.

This is what I said, that equals out to 20# gain per month? Thats an extra 70,000 calories per month coming from somewhere. Lets assume a sugarcookie is 200 calories...20#s could equal 350 sugarcookies. This feels like math class. Edit: That would come out to 11 cookies a day....hummm...possible...

[centralpa]

[quote=HoneyBee2;9506795][b]I want to share with y'all some posts from another board where this was discussed. A member had expressed that Kimmer's lack of control over her eating gave power to her rage against the eating of others.

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Well, I'm a licensed psychologist and I'd say your assessment is spot-on. Other than that, I think that she's also very lonely and probably not very well liked, the internet gave her community and power. Queen like status came upon her which fed her narcissism. In her head, she probably did see herself or see "kimmer" as a separate entity than Heidi Diaz. Kimmer was thin and beautiful and had done her Kimkins diet and Heidi was the dumpy next door neighbor who envied kimmer and wanted to be part of it by "owning the company." She probably has some kind of dissociative personality disorder (previously known as multiple personality disorder) and can't quite distinguish between her various realities because of her lies and pathologies. It's pretty sad. I'm happy that people found her out so quickly. It's not unusual that people with intense psychosis wind up being elevated to cult status. Their psychosis, so out of touch with reality allows them to believe everything that they say. Self-assuredness and self-confidence is sexy. People cling to it, people want it. (think tt)

Another question and the psychologist's post:
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Is narcissism made, or is it something that can be acquired? So, a person has low self esteem, and wants more than anything to be one of the 'cool kids' to the point where they are predicated on a big lie. At what point does a person go from wanting the attention to demanding it? Or, is narcissism something people just have?
Sorry if that's a weird question. I've seen some pretty huge egos in the dieting world and have been wondering about whether there is some level of megalomania or narcissism involved.
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No, it's not a weird question, below narcissism is deep wounding, trauma, insecurity, so the grandiosity is a defense, a coping mechanism to deal with the deep pain of really feeling like nothing. There's only theories as to why personality disorders develop, they're not organic (as schizophrenia or another psychosis), mostly though, a lot of personality disorders mimic (or vice versa) deep trauma.

My post and question:

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Kimmer, as you know, is back at kimkins now and posting about her "current weight loss" journey. In her posts now she is no longer the guru and the one doling out advice. In fact it is the complete opposite.
She will say, "I need you other members to share with me how you were successful", when discussing losing weight with her newly diagnosed diabetes.
She is really "dumbing it down" it seems in her posts. Her status as being the one to go to for help and knowledge, one would think will diminish if this continues. Her need for status, attention and importance will soon fade at this rate.
I really can't imagine Kimmer in a place of weakness, because it seems to make her very defensive and she abhors being looked at as the one without the power. This may go back to you saying that some sort of trauma triggers this narcissist type behavior, because to not be self-important drags up those memories of the trauma and worthlessness?!?!?
So my question is this; with Heidi taking on a totally different persona, will she be able to sustain it? Knowing what you know about the persona of Kimmer, can people like Heidi totally drop one persona for another. Like changing outfits or will they always have that favorite "pair of pants" that they can't part with and kimmer will have to come out in other ways? (ie. other screen names or converting back to her old ways after some time elapses)
Have you ever seen someone like Kimmer and are these type people normally highly intelligent?

The reply from the pyschologist:

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My sense is that .
. It's not super different from where she was before (oh my poor foster children, the haters trying to shut me down because they're jealous...) When she feels backed into a corner, she rolls over and plays sick, "care for me, care for me, I'm weak, I need your help..."
I think that her persona has not changed greatly but her stance has victimizer to victim. She probably has a history of horrible abuse.

Psychopathology and intelligence are not mutually exclusive, nor are they symbiotic. I think that it becomes more apparent in very intelligent people because that's when it becomes dangerous.

Very interesting insight I thought...and scary as well.

HoneyBee
Kimmer is a Big-Boned, Diabolical, Quasi-Diabetic, Lint Licking, Lying, Liar that Lies.
QUOTE]

HoneyBee,

Thanks, I had not seen this at any site, anywhere in my cyber-travels, so would have missed this had you not posted.

This is the most astute analysis that I have seen to date. Which modern-day Freud is willing to take her on as a Case Study??!!

cheers,
Wendy

[Katinsac]

Originally Posted by susique333

This is what I said, that equals out to 20# gain per month? Thats an extra 70,000 calories per month coming from somewhere. Lets assume a sugarcookie is 200 calories...20#s could equal 350 sugarcookies. This feels like math class. Edit: That would come out to 11 cookies a day....hummm...possible...

Isn't Captin Morgan full of sugar? And what did she mix it with? I find it hard to believe she could even gain that a month. I've been off of everything sense the end of June, eating anything I want, sitting at the computer all day long too and have only gained back 5 lbs. (thank God)

[MissMerize]

"If you're still on the fence about whether lower calories means ruined metabolism, keep in mind that gastric bypass patients are intended to eat around 500 calories a day after surgery. It's the entire purpose of the surgery. Those that follow the 500 calorie instructions lose extremely fast. Those who can't commit and pick easily digestible high calorie foods like mashed potatoes, candy, soda, chips, alcohol and ice cream don't lose or may even gain.

Naturally I'd suggest the Kimkins Diet for anyone who's serious about losing weight. But the Kimkins program is strict, it's not for sissies. It's for people who want to lose now and fast"

Yeah, sissies. Get your refund you sissies. And get out.

So strict, that there are no calorie restrictions......

[susique333]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Isn't Captin Morgan full of sugar? And what did she mix it with? I find it hard to believe she could even gain that a month. I've been off of everything sense the end of June, eating anything I want, sitting at the computer all day long too and have only gained back 5 lbs. (thank God)

Well, I just looked up Captain Morgan Parrot Bay Rum and it is 82 calories for 1.25oz. C. M. Private stock is 94 cals. Soooooo where is that post where she confessed to drinking this concoction all day long...4 oz per drink was it? I need to go find it. Anyone? Its a few pages back.

EDIT: found her quote on here: approx 2240 cals in rum per day? Is Kimmer an Alcoholic? « Kimkins Exposed

[Katinsac]

Thanks Christin, I thought maybe it was a Kimkins band. Yeah, "shy" people need to go around wearing a Kimkins band so people will stop them and ask them what it means and she can drum up more business. Wonder how she finds the time to advertise with it when she spends 24 hours a day on her computer! Wonder if she has Brandon wearing one too. lol

ETA: I think we all should get a bracelet that say 'KIMKINS SURVIVORS" and wear it all around.

[mrsmenopausal]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

ETA: I think we all should get a bracelet that say 'KIMKINS SURVIVORS" and wear it all around.

And it should be red and written in Russian.

[Barbara B]

Originally Posted by Katinsac

Oh, like this one:

have been successful with Kimkins and delighted about that.
But I honestly don't like the new front page format -- there is no guarantee that these 4 members will lose weight and that can be very disheartening to prospective new members. Please be more positive with success stories - before and after pictures - which is what contributed to my success. The old adage - everybody loves a winner - rather than misery loves company, should rule. I'd rather see greater coverage of success and less of those trying, although I wish everyone success.

Perhaps you disagree. But this is my opinion

Kimmer's reply:

Thanks xxxxxx and of course we want to hear feedback about the site.

We continue trying different formats, colors, arrangements, ideas. While I personally liked the last front page the best, there were many who didn't. They thought stock photos (as opposed to real people) weren't the best way to go. I don't have a design bone in my body, but I'm always willing to try other people's ideas out.

The current format came from a favorite feature of mine in women's magazines where they show progressive weight loss in each issue.

It's certainly true that our live models may not continue to lose, may regain, may have bumps in the road ... that's life. It seems it may add a dash of realism though, don't you think?

We want to welcome our brave husband & wife couple, Brian & Heather, for generously allowing everyone to watch them in their Kimkins journey, LIVE!

This woman is unbelievable!

[Katinsac]

Originally Posted by susique333

Well, I just looked up Captain Morgan Parrot Bay Rum and it is 82 calories for 1.25oz. C. M. Private stock is 94 cals. Soooooo where is that post where she confessed to drinking this concoction all day long...4 oz per drink was it? I need to go find it. Anyone? Its a few pages back.

EDIT: found her qoute on here: approx 2240 cals in rum per day? Is Kimmer an Alcoholic? « Kimkins Exposed

Yes, and when people stop drinking, they lose weight so some of that weight loss may be from that but I doubt if she is a true alcoholic that she will stay off the stuff. We know she did not go to rehab in the last few months and we know she is a closet cookie eater. Kinda hard to give it all up at once and lose 100 lbs in a few months. Me thinks Brandon's Dad needs to come get him and then we can see how well Heidi functions without him and all of his photoshop stuff. I do believe she has just as many computer skills as he has so it may not affect anything.